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L11[02:25:48] <JVFoxy> ooof...
L12[02:27:08] <Althego> object oriented
orbital ferry
L13[02:27:22] <JVFoxy> had to pause..
someone was yelling outside.
L14[02:28:26] <JVFoxy> early career mun
mission, really didn't want to spend so much in upgrades and
parts.. went from 1mil down to half
L15[02:31:30] <JVFoxy> Just go with what I
got, upgrade VAB for 225 parts, unlock rockmax tanks and redesign
the craft itself...
L16[02:31:51] <JVFoxy> already got
something that looks like a single part Soyuz rocket with the 3
crew commandpod
L17[02:45:10] <JVFoxy> Althego whatcha up
to there. (0245 here.. couldn't slee)
L18[02:45:38] <Althego> i am in a daily
meeting
L19[02:46:21] <JVFoxy> fun...
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L31[03:30:26] <packbart> sooo, I reverted
to the VAB and this happened.
http://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/foo2.jpg
(granted, some mod I was testing already threw a lot of
NullRefs)
L32[03:33:51] <Althego> hehehe
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L35[03:36:51] <hatrix> Beyond Home is
actually quite hard, all the tools online don't have the needed
values and I need to compute everything myself
L36[03:37:03] <hatrix> takes some time just
for a com network with the resonance orbits
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L40[04:01:49] <hatrix> I've got the
velocity in m/s of perigee/apogee for both orbits, where do I go
next?
L42[04:04:32] <packbart> Is the
"ijection dV" the dV the sats need to circularize their
orbit?
L43[04:04:43] <packbart> injection,
d'oh
L44[04:05:28] <Althego> injection is your
starting delta v, circularization is an other
L45[04:06:10] <hatrix> I think it's the Δv
for the satellite to circularize
L46[04:06:17] <hatrix> in that the equation
v2 I gues
L47[04:06:20] <hatrix> +case
L48[04:06:43] <hatrix> oh no, v1
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L50[04:15:07] <hatrix> hmm, the calculator
gives the wrong Δv
L51[04:15:38] <hatrix> it gives the ΔV to
got from a circular orbit to the elliptical one
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L54[04:28:03] <hatrix> ok I need 29m/s per
satellite, RCS should be enough
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L56[04:34:49] <JVFoxy> Or just a really
hard solid kick
L58[04:35:58] <JVFoxy> 29 m/s =
104kph/65mph...
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L60[04:36:15] <JVFoxy> wish you could
switch between.. and ya, I know there are mods..
L61[04:36:26] <hatrix> why don't like
m/s?
L62[04:37:38] <JVFoxy> its good for some
things...
L63[04:37:47] <darsie> 1337
L64[04:37:48] <JVFoxy> I do a lot of normal
flying too though
L65[04:39:13] <JVFoxy> mph, kph, knots,
mach.. m/s.. ft/s.. ft/min..
L66[04:40:20] <hatrix> ah because
america
L67[04:40:56] <JVFoxy> I'm in
Canada...
L68[04:42:19] <JVFoxy> I've flown flight
sims as a kid, so I"m used to flying with Knots for speed,
height in feet. Then I get to driving, having to deal with KPH..
but then my actual flying course, ultralights, deals with MPH for
speed.. lets not get into the whole meters vs feet for
height..
L69[04:44:47] *
darsie has a 3.5" SSD.
L70[04:45:32] <darsie> And a 5 1/4"
DVD drive.
L71[04:48:37] <JVFoxy> ... was about to say
something but.. best I didn't
L73[04:50:25] <Althego> unfortunately
aviation uses knots for speed, feet for altitude and nautical miles
for distance
L74[04:50:47] <Althego> knots and nautical
miles are ok though
L75[04:51:18] <darsie> nm is 1',
right?
L76[04:51:22] <Althego> yes
L77[04:51:40] <JVFoxy> at the
equator..?
L78[04:51:48] <darsie> latitude
L79[04:51:58] <Althego> this is generally
true for the whole world. fuel units may vary, like tonne, kg,
pund, whatever
L80[04:51:59] <darsie> hmm
L82[04:52:21] <Althego> lol
L83[04:53:52] <hatrix> any idea how to fix
this?
L84[04:54:01] <JVFoxy> how to make a sphere
out of 2d squares...
L85[04:54:18] <darsie> Cut the squares into
triangles ;).
L86[04:54:35] <JVFoxy> curve the
edges
L87[04:54:50] <darsie> warp them with black
holes
L88[04:55:17] <darsie> Search for origami
sphere.
L89[04:55:34] <JVFoxy> eh I dont' know...
1nm I just know is just a certain distance. I never knew of any
reason why it was that way or coralation with anything else.
L90[04:55:58] <JVFoxy> people talk about
arc seconds, 1' or whatever.. or maybe I'm just tired
L91[04:56:02] <darsie> It's used in
sailing, where they use degrees and minutes on maps.
L92[04:56:07] <packbart> hatrix: where did
that tree come from? :) it's doesn't look like the usual terrain
scatter if it collides (unless some Kopernicus magic
happened)
L93[04:56:39] <hatrix> I'm using Beyond
Home but it was fine a few days ago
L94[04:56:52] <darsie> 1'=one arc
minute=1/60 degree (latitude).
L95[04:56:55] <JVFoxy> ya.. latitude
distance north and south will always be same. Longitudes
though..
L96[04:56:58] <hatrix> I got no idea why
this thing's here
L97[04:57:37] <packbart> have you tried
turning terrain scatter off in the settings? Kopernicus might have
added the colliders, if it is a stock tree
L98[04:57:57] <JVFoxy> hatrix lol... launch
pad not been used in a while before you showed up? (tree grew
through the pad...)
L99[04:58:56] <packbart> right, now that
you say that. it could be a feature of Beyond Home ;)
L100[04:59:05] <JVFoxy> green goo make for
some plant miracle grow?
L101[04:59:51] <JVFoxy> I find it
interesting, craft gets wrapped up in tree, including the launch
stabilizers..
L102[05:00:07] <darsie> Earth should be a
1 m square.
L103[05:00:54] *
JVFoxy hads Darsie a large marble, "remember Men in Black
movies?"
L104[05:01:00] <darsie> 1 m was originally
1/10,000,000 of the distance from the (North?) pole to the
equator.
L105[05:01:07] <darsie> mhm
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L107[05:01:52] <JVFoxy> kept saying they
want the universe, turns out it was a little bobble on the cat's
collar. Its all relative..
L108[05:03:06] <JVFoxy> hatrix just
realized something in your pics. Craft is smashed over the tree,
and yet the staging listing on the side is untouched...
L109[05:03:47] <JVFoxy> seems at least
most of things still intact..somehow..
L110[05:03:48] <packbart> Kerbals. they
dropped the craft onto the launchpad, no matter what
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L112[05:04:40] <JVFoxy> packbart still
remember old days, would drop planes on runway, wheels on sticks
would blow up instantly
L113[05:05:04] <JVFoxy> back before it
would easy in gravity on scene loads
L114[05:09:58] <hatrix> yeah the craft
spawned on top of the tree
L115[05:10:03] <hatrix> I'll just
deactivate trees
L116[05:10:23] <JVFoxy> trees.. be
gone!
L117[05:11:00] <JVFoxy> trees I don't
mind... cloudless skies I'm not so sure about.
L118[05:12:54] <hatrix> yay, successfuly
removed the tree
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L120[05:14:50] <hatrix> KER is greyed out
in flight also, any idea why?
L121[05:16:46] <JVFoxy> no idea... never
used it myself, at least recently
L122[05:20:19] <packbart> in early career,
you need to have a part on board for KER to work
L124[05:21:07] <hatrix> oh right I didn't
activate it
L125[05:22:05] <JVFoxy> oh.. the
part.
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L128[05:23:05] <JVFoxy> i gave up on ker
early, mostly cuz the text wouldn't fit in the upper part of my
screen due to smaller resolution
L129[05:23:52] <hatrix> what about UI
scale?
L130[05:26:53] <JVFoxy> hadn't considered,
mind you we talk'n way back, before v1.0
L131[05:27:41] <JVFoxy> I don't remember
the exact version now.. just that I had a 720 sized screen..
L132[05:28:18] <packbart> that's why I'm
lucky to have started with 1.4. I don't remember the old days
:)
L133[05:31:38] <JVFoxy> 0.18 when friend
first got it on his laptop was my first exposure. It wasn't till
0.23, when I got a better PC put together, that I got it
myself
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L135[05:33:55] <JVFoxy> and ya, the early
versions didn't have the tools you have now. Things such as offset
for example
L136[05:39:45] <hatrix> I messed up my
equations
L137[05:39:56] <hatrix> and the relays are
not powerful enough to communicate between them
L138[05:47:33] <Deddly> Doh
L139[05:48:06] <JVFoxy> where you trying
to place them?
L140[05:48:22] <hatrix> geostationnary
orbit
L141[05:48:49] <hatrix> my resonant orbit
is perfect though, the geostationary is not
L142[05:50:06] <JVFoxy> each sat has just
two of those little pop out dishes?
L143[05:50:15] <hatrix> yep
L144[05:51:00] <JVFoxy> I've done geo
stationary with 4... even then...
L145[05:52:01] <JVFoxy> I get signal but
its about 80-60% depending how far north/south on the surface.
needs another two pop ups on teh ground station. Dipole thing I
don't think works too well that far out
L146[05:54:10] <hatrix> ok, new design has
4
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L150[06:18:32] <JVFoxy> lol.. shame we
couldn't just launch one of those tracking stations into orbit or
something
L151[06:19:59] <JVFoxy> any case.. have
fun, gotta run
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L153[06:24:22] <packbart> oh, well, we
basically can
L155[06:27:41] <hatrix> my equations seem
to be OK, I tried with kerbin and earth, it should work
L156[06:27:55] <hatrix> but somehow in
beyond home it's not working
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L166[08:14:15] <Althego> elon tweeted he
is not going on twitter for a while. we lost our meme lord
L167[08:15:06] <Althego> starlink launch
is in sane american time, but insane 3:30 here, so cant watch
L168[08:16:22] <Mat2ch> We always will get
the replay
L169[08:16:54] <Althego> except when not.
like yt decides rockets are not good for you
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L173[08:18:57] <Althego> hehe accidentally
disconnected somehow
L174[08:22:19] <raptop> Unfortunately, you
can't use struts to connect to IRC
L175[08:23:30] <packbart> struts don't
help against accidental staging, either ;)
L176[08:26:21] <Althego> hehe
L177[08:28:19] <raptop> "Are you sure
you want to stage? This cannot be undone"
L178[08:28:26] <Althego> hehe
L179[08:28:54] <Mostly_Deddly> You missed
so much whilst you were away, Althego
L180[08:29:31] <Mostly_Deddly> Amazing
revelations were had
L181[08:29:39] <Althego> reminds me of the
joke (with a windows popup picture): you suffered a severe traffic
accident. do you wish for the airbag to inflate? yes / no / cancel
[ ] do not display this message (empty checkbox)
L182[08:29:43] <raptop> Mostly_Deddly:
brit detected
L183[08:29:50] <raptop>
("whilst" is a neat word, though)
L184[08:30:05] <Mostly_Deddly> It is,
indeedst
L185[08:30:34] <raptop> Althego: hah. I
wonder if anyone has done a UAC version of that? (probably)
L186[08:30:41] <Mostly_Deddly> Althego,
lol.
L187[08:30:44] <Althego> this was from the
win95 time
L188[08:30:45] <Althego> s
L189[08:31:35] <packbart> Do you want to
allow this car to make changes to your fender?
L190[08:32:11] <Mostly_Deddly> How about
"You have had an accident. Continue living? [yes] [no]. Error,
unable to continue living [quit] [retry]
L191[08:32:28] <Mostly_Deddly> Everyone
knows that [retry] never does anything
L192[08:32:39] <packbart> well, it *is* a
General Protection Fault
L193[08:33:10] <raptop> GPF feels very
3.1ish
L194[08:33:26] *
Mat2ch struts Mostly_Deddly to the ground
L195[08:33:48] <Mostly_Deddly> Eep
L196[08:34:01] <Mostly_Deddly> [Guru
Meditation]
L197[08:34:06] <Mostly_Deddly> Best error
ever
L198[08:34:20] <Althego> hehe remember
dos? the "not ready ready drive a:" it took me forever to
realize that you have to choose fail, because neither abort nor
retry did anything, just repeated the question
L199[08:34:38] <Althego> "not ready
reading drive a:"
L200[08:35:10] <Mostly_Deddly> "Your
parachute didn't open" [Abort] [Retry] [Fail]
L202[08:36:38] <Mostly_Deddly> Best.
error. ever.
L203[08:36:54] <Althego> wasnt it cause by
some virus thing?
L204[08:36:58] <Althego> but i never had
an amige
L205[08:37:01] <Althego> amiga
L206[08:37:15] <Althego> on the other hand
there is an xscreensaver that has this and many other crash
screens
L207[08:37:19] <Mostly_Deddly> Not at all.
That was a standard unrecoverable error message
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L209[08:40:06] <Mostly_Deddly> Althego, in
fact, it's still there in AmigaOS to this day, but they changed the
name to Grim Reaper.
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L212[08:49:36] <Althego> hehe good old
powermax os simply wrote out kdb> as prompt in case the ever so
good real time os crashed
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L220[09:07:04] <Mat2ch> Silly you
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L227[09:43:18] <Mat2ch> So, Martin likes
to torture us with 3 videos about his studio and no update on the
machine...
L228[09:44:19] <Althego> what 1 of 3
L229[09:44:29] <Althego> but i dint care
about the studio
L230[09:44:34] <Althego> i dont know music
stuff
L231[09:45:58] <Althego> lo lthat
singing
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L260[14:46:06] <Mat2ch> Uh, did you see
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L263[15:00:37] <packbart> do not stare
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orbit as that leads to NullRefs
L264[15:01:44] *
packbart found a small mod (ABCORS) that displays altitude and
speed at the moused-over point in orbits - now it works in the
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L265[15:02:04] <Ezriilc> ROCKET
LONG-TANKS!
L266[15:02:12] <packbart> Mat2ch: "we
felt business circumstances might compromise the development,
execution and integrity of the game" - O'rly?
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L324[22:30:38] <Black_Eagle> lowne
released an interesting video concerning take-two and ksp 2
L325[22:35:31] <Deddly> Did he add
anything significant to the Bloomberg article?
L326[22:38:40] <Black_Eagle> unsure,
haven't read the article
L327[22:39:11] <Deddly> Ah OK. I read the
article and later saw he had a video, but I haven't seen it
L328[22:39:15] <Black_Eagle> ok, checked
the article: probably nothing new
L329[22:39:51] <Deddly> I guess we knew
something was wrong when they suddenly took KSP2 in house
L330[22:40:47] <Black_Eagle> yup
L331[22:40:58] <Deddly> I don't think
we're likely to get any in-depth response from T2. They are also
under NDA, presumably.
L332[22:42:49] <Black_Eagle> yeah... it's
a shame
L333[22:43:07] <Black_Eagle> i'm not sure
i'm going to buy ksp 2 unless something else happens
L334[22:43:28] <Deddly> I was sad when I
read the article, but I'm wary of one-sided reporting
L335[22:44:34] <Black_Eagle> of
course
L336[22:44:57] <Deddly> News outlets
themselves often have famously unethical business practises. They
have a financial interest in putting out sensational stories.
L337[22:45:46] <Black_Eagle> if any of the
news is true then ksp 2 is likely also a cash grab
L338[22:48:58] <Deddly> I think it's
unrealistic to believe that any company the size of TakeTwo would
invest in something as expensive as KSP must have been without
intending to make a lot of money on it
L339[22:51:16] <Deddly> From that one
article, there are a few important insights: 1) Star Theory was in
financial trouble (and were trying to sell to TakeTwo).
L340[22:51:48] <Deddly> 2) TakeTwo would
have been aware that this would seriously disrupt the development
process, which would not be in their favour
L341[22:52:17] <Deddly> 3) They offered to
hire the entire crew of a failing company
L342[22:52:28] <Black_Eagle> hmmm. that's
a good point there
L343[22:53:39] <Deddly> 4) Patrick Meade
from Star Theory was absolutely in it for the prestige and money:
"he wouldn't have the same degree of influence or financial
benefits"
L344[22:55:37] <Deddly> So, without any
more information than this one article that was based on interviews
with five people who disrespected their NDA in order to be a part
of the story, it seems like the prudent thing for me to do it not
get involved in what was, and should remain, an internal business
dispute.
L345[22:59:11] <Black_Eagle> i'm not sure
about the last point - a lot of people are driven by other things
than money or prestige. for all we know Meade could just be
frustrated with corporate policies and prefers being his own
boss
L346[22:59:49] <Deddly> As I said, this is
according to the article
L347[23:00:00] <Deddly> So any and all
points may be wrong :)
L348[23:00:36] <Black_Eagle> ok financial
benefits i kinda get
L349[23:01:03] <Black_Eagle> but the
upside of having influence over what you're doing and how you're
doing is significant
L350[23:03:09] <Deddly> Sure. To be clear,
I'm not defending TakeTwo here. I have no inside information
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L352[23:03:49] <Black_Eagle> aye
L353[23:04:16] <Deddly> I'm just saying
that it might be a good idea to be sceptical when a news outlet
publishes something like that, with only a single source and no
statement from the other party (which is what journalists are
supposed to do, by the way)
L354[23:13:34] <Deddly> With those same
interviews, another news outlet could have spun it a different way.
"Media giant TakeTwo takes pitty on the little guy - saves
entire development crew"
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L357[23:24:24] <Deddly> As for anyone
planning not to get KSP2, well, all I can say is that I applaud
your integrity and willingness to make personal sacrifices to stand
up for things that are important to you. I hope you do that same in
all areas of life.
L358[23:29:49] <Black_Eagle> I hope you're
not being sarcastic
L359[23:30:07] <Deddly> No, that was a
sincere comment.
L360[23:31:44] <Deddly> People should do
that more. If everyone voted with their wallets against unethical
treatment of people and animals, there wouldn't be mass
deforestation, child labour, pollution and exploitation.
L361[23:32:22] <Black_Eagle> Well, I try
to! (in other areas of life, too)
L362[23:32:33] <Deddly> But most people
are willing to sacrifice those things because they want something
for themselves.
L363[23:33:11] <Deddly> Good for you,
Black_Eagle.
L364[23:34:41] <Black_Eagle> I'm still a
little bit away from preaching to others
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L366[23:38:31] <Black_Eagle> but on the
topic: i'm not sure if i'm making the right decision in boycotting
T2 but their record with KSP 1 hasn't been flawless. i for one
don't like the paid DLCs. I kind of get one if it adds a lot of
content but the ones we've seen don't really add anything a good
mod couldn't add
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L369[23:45:55] <Deddly> I think the
Robotics DLC adds so much content that it's definitely worthy of
the asking price, personally. Making History... not so much
L370[23:46:47] <Black_Eagle> should i buy
robotics?
L371[23:46:49] <Deddly> But, you know,
DLCs were not TakeTwo's idea. Squad were planning DLCs since at
least 2013
L373[23:47:18] <Black_Eagle> weren't they
intending for the DLCs to be free, though?
L374[23:48:02] <Black_Eagle> ah,
right
L375[23:48:28] <Deddly> They were never
intended to be free. They gave them free to people who bought the
game before the end of April 2013 because of a misunderstanding,
and TakeTwo has honoured that
L376[23:48:44] <Black_Eagle> fair
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L379[23:57:15] <Deddly> Making History has
some nice parts, by the way. I love the structural plates
L380[23:57:58] <Deddly> But it's pretty
expensive if you are only interested in the parts and don't care
about the mission builder.
L381[23:59:45] <Black_Eagle> i'll get a
dlc once they start printing more .625m engines, tanks and other
stuff