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L5[00:59:41] <Althego> i cant disassemble
the mouse, it has something like an 1 mm hexagon screw, my smallest
piece is a bit bigger
L6[01:03:10] <Althego> too bad because i
have some time now, with some flat earth dumpster fire playing in
the background, it would be ideal to fix it
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L10[01:38:32] <JVFoxy> althego ugh.. sorry,
wish I could teleport my micro screw driver over your way. Cell
phones have such tiny torque screws too. :(
L11[01:39:29] <Althego> the old one after
years of usage is still in better shape. so the new one was an
overpriced paperweight from corsair
L12[01:49:33] <JVFoxy> mine has a thing you
can extend it, get around corners. Trouble is, the slot it locks
into so you can turn it snapped off. Tried to crazy glue it back,
but now its really stiff. Though, its not like I really used that
feature much anyways.
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L16[01:52:17] <Althego> i heard of the
black hole thing
L17[01:52:37] <Althego> hehe i like the
measurement concept
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L19[02:22:25] <JVFoxy> not even sure how to
read that mass measurement...
L20[02:26:04] <Althego> you measure gravity
fields by the probe's trajectory, for that you measure signal
return time
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L22[02:31:34] <Althego> hmm, falcon 7 ni
around 6 days
L23[02:31:37] <Althego> er
L24[02:31:43] <Althego> falcon 9 starlink
7
L25[02:31:47] <JVFoxy> oh wait... -looks at
article- ah.. earth masses, just didn't copy over properly
L26[02:33:35] <JVFoxy> ok now with that
said.. what sort of 'hints' is giving them the idea of another
gravity well
L27[02:33:58] <Althego> for planet 9?
L28[02:34:25] <Althego> there are a bunch
of outer solar system small bodies that have strange orbits
L29[02:34:54] <JVFoxy> they noticing
something shifting some of the planets a bit from predicted orbital
tracks?
L30[02:35:01] <Althego> no
L31[02:35:16] <Althego> this is several
years old story now
L32[02:36:31] <Althego> mike brown, also
known as plutokiller, and an other guyy, kionstantin batyagin
noticed that some of the kuiper belt objects have strange
trajectories
L33[02:36:42] <JVFoxy> ya but the idea of
predicting another body somewhere out there without directly seeing
it. I know there's the Doppler shift of a star's light, but would
that work viewing at our own star?
L34[02:36:52] <Althego> and there is
nothing there that could move them to these orbits
L35[02:38:00] <Althego> at this point they
think there is a 98% chance of a super earth / sub neptune planet
being there
L36[02:38:12] <JVFoxy> eh.. strange
orbits... try looking at what happens when you make use of Lagrange
points..
L37[02:38:45] <Althego> i interpreted the
abstract byt trying to find the planet's gravity not measuring
sun's light
L38[02:39:05] <Althego> just as theer are
measurements now ongoing around jupiter in similar manner with
juno
L39[02:39:40] <JVFoxy> they saying it is
strange because of highly elliptical, orbital plane at odd angle
sorta thing? Or something a bit more exotic?
L40[02:39:55] <Althego> there is also a
correlation among those orbits
L41[02:41:53] <JVFoxy> I was just thinking
of some of the methods that had been used when trying to find
planets around other stars. I guess some aren't as effective if you
actually reside in said star system
L43[02:42:57] <kmath> YouTube - Planet Nine
from Outer Space - Konstantin Batygin, at USI
L44[02:45:00] <JVFoxy> you could use radio
to measure things.. they've done it from Apollo to the Voyager
space probes. Just as long as there's some accounting for the
'Pioneer anomaly'
L45[02:45:20] <Althego> wasnt that thermal
radiation?
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L48[02:54:28] <JVFoxy> Was one of the
explanations they gave. Was also some other models that came out of
it. An expanding universe model was also considered.
L49[02:55:51] <JVFoxy> Also a model that
describes how atomic clocks aren't as uniform as we once thought
when under acceleration.
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L52[03:32:09] <Mat2ch> I'm wondering. How
can Starship SN4 fly with a single off-center engine? If I do that
in KSP the craft will spin out of control :P
L53[03:32:31] <Althego> huge gimbal range
:)
L54[03:32:42] <Althego> i dont know how
well the raptor can gimbal
L55[03:33:02] <Althego> that is why i dont
understand the redundancy of 3 engines
L56[03:33:06] <Althego> in a triangle
L57[03:33:22] <Althego> with 4 you could
shut down the opposing one too
L58[03:34:49] <Mat2ch> they just dont shut
down...
L59[03:35:02] <Mat2ch> also the gimbal
range doesn't have to be that huge
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L62[03:38:31] <Mat2ch> Althego: the idea is
probably that you always have a set of three engines for
emergencies
L63[03:38:57] <Mat2ch> so if one of the
three inner engines fail the vac engines will probably have enough
power to do something meaningful
L64[03:39:03] <Mat2ch> not that efficient
though
L65[03:39:19] <Mat2ch> and if one of the
vac engine fails you still can use the inner cluster to do
corrections
L66[03:39:56] <Mat2ch> they have this dual
bell shape thingy, too, which we already have seen on
pictures
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L68[03:43:15] <JVFoxy> Boeing's X37...
engine is off set to the right a bit... hmm
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L72[04:20:02] <Althego> last week i coughed
twice. that is suspicios. today i also coughed twice. getting even
more suspicious
L73[04:36:20] <Mat2ch> :D
L74[04:37:32] <Althego> statistically
speaking i have quite a low chance of getting it though
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L77[05:12:22] <Mat2ch> Althego: we all
do.
L78[05:12:29] <Mat2ch> Well, some more,
some less
L79[05:12:44] <Althego> i dont go to work
as most people
L80[05:12:56] <Althego> i basically go out
only to get food
L82[05:13:24] <kmath> <ginasue> Top
10 Coronavirus clusters in the US? Prisons, meat packing plants, a
Navy battleship. Next 10? Prisons, meat pac…
https://t.co/ARH7DMmsRc
L83[05:14:26] <Mat2ch> so as long as
your're not in prision, don't work for the Navy or in a meat
packing factory or nursing home (or any other care taking facility
with lots of old/weak people) you're mostly good
L84[05:14:34] <Althego> yes nursery homes
were hit heavily here too
L85[05:15:46] <Althego> it is friday. where
is my weekly gtoger video?
L86[05:17:14] <Mat2ch> gtoger?
L87[05:17:54] <Althego> a channel where
cares get towed from a parking lot (parking there without
authorization)
L88[05:17:59] <Althego> *cars
L89[05:18:21] <Mat2ch> ah, the back alley
one?
L90[05:18:29] <Mat2ch> with three spots and
huge signs? :D
L91[05:18:57] <Althego> i am not sure it is
3, but that
L92[05:24:19] <Mat2ch> the looks were
funny, when the car wasn't there anymore *g*
L93[05:25:34] <Althego> the music as the
tow truck arrives, lately the jetsons sound effect for the electric
scooters, the tiny funny info bits, the ghost image of the car
towed, the clueless confused people, all that is just perfect
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L100[06:39:45] <sandbox> nursing homes
should've been on absolute lockdown since january or february
imho
L101[06:42:52] <bildramer> the entire
world should have closed borders to china in late january at the
latest
L102[06:46:18] <sandbox> even in february
I was wary of shaking someone's hand at a group I go to
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L110[07:26:27] <Mat2ch> sandbox: well,
it's not transmitted that way...
L111[07:27:12] <Mat2ch> you'd probably
have to lick your hand and then give a wet handshake and then the
other person would have to lick their hand to spread by
contact
L112[07:27:54] <Mat2ch> it's airborne, so
keeping a bit of distance and not standing to close to each other
for longer periods of time should be fine
L113[07:28:26] <Mat2ch> oh and paid
sickleave. Because it keeps sick workers from coming into work
sick. But that's pretty near discussion politics in here ;P
L114[07:30:58] <Mat2ch> *discussing
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L134[10:55:40] <Althego> i hope that price
of space travel goes down while i am still alive
L135[10:59:05] <Althego> nice music
L136[11:01:48] <darsie> It is going down
while you're alive.
L137[11:01:53] <darsie> I think.
L138[11:02:00] <Althego> but to affordable
level
L139[11:02:31] <darsie> Get a good job,
work your ass off and you can afford it.
L140[11:02:40] <Althego> not
currently
L141[11:02:51] <Althego> some tens of
millions of dollars
L142[11:04:04] <darsie> When SSSH
facilitates cheap travel to LEO, I guess someone will build a
station for the tourists.
L143[11:04:45] <Althego> bigelow basically
turned into nothing maybe becasue of the virus or not
L144[11:05:32] <darsie> A roll of sheet
metal and a welding bot in LEO ...
L145[11:08:11] <darsie> 200,000 to Mars.
That blocks a SH for what, 2 years?
L146[11:10:39] <darsie> That SH can go to
LEO 5-10 times a day. That's 1752 times as often. So it could boil
down to fuel cost plus cost of SSSH/100 or how many launches it can
do.
L147[11:12:33] <darsie> Might take 10
years or so.
L148[11:13:48] <Althego> yes, not sooner
than 10 years
L149[11:15:08] <Althego> i wonder how the
chinese want to control their mars mission. i doubt they can get
access to dsn
L150[11:16:05] <darsie> They can land
while they are facing Mars.
L151[11:16:24] <darsie> Landing is
automatic anyways.
L152[11:16:56] <Althego> landing. but if
you want to do more than a tech demo, you need to contact the
orbiter and the lander
L153[11:17:06] <darsie> Use an
antenna?
L154[11:17:35] <darsie> Maybe a Mars
orbiter?
L155[11:17:38] <Althego> yes, neutrino
antenna that can sen through earth and mars :)
L156[11:17:48] <Althego> they are going to
have an orbiter
L157[11:17:50] <Althego> that can
help
L158[11:18:33] <Althego> my biggest
concern is the rocket, seems to be a new system
L159[11:18:41] <Althego> but they haveto
launch now or wait more than 2 years
L160[11:19:11] <Althego> and then there is
the landing, mars is notoriously hard to land on
L161[11:20:24] <darsie> What's theyr
approach?
L162[11:20:56] <Althego> we dont know
much- an orbiter lander rover all in one
L163[11:22:48] <Mat2ch> uh, the SAFER
system for the astronauts is interesting
L164[11:22:58] <Mat2ch> could be part of a
fun VR game ;P
L165[11:23:58] <Althego> is that the thing
with 2 m/s delta v?
L166[11:25:12] <Mat2ch> 3 m/s actually
;)
L167[11:25:33] <Althego> maybe 3.5 if you
are really thin :()
L168[11:29:00] <Mat2ch> but enough to
float back
L169[11:29:15] <Mat2ch> I wonder how much
dV you'd need if you push really hard
L170[11:30:18] <darsie> Walking is about 1
m/s.
L171[11:31:20] <Althego> you cant really
exert too muchforce, because of the pressure in the suit and zero
gravity
L172[11:34:05] <darsie> I guess they coud
maneuver the ISS to rendezvous with you.
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L174[11:34:37] <darsie> Hmm, there's not
always a booster on it.
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L176[12:06:17] <FLHerne> There's always at
least one capsule docked
L177[12:06:45] <FLHerne> In a pinch, they
could try and use one of those
L178[12:09:02] <Althego> there is also the
zvezda module with engines
L179[12:09:09] <packbart> the service
module has some thrusters, too
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L181[12:09:54] <Althego> you could also
get out and push :)
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L183[12:18:20] <darsie> Yeah, the soyuz
needs RCS for docking.
L184[12:18:39] *
darsie recovers 0.8 t debris from the surface of the
Mun.
L185[12:18:58] <Althego> hehe once i
needed to get a burnt out solid rocket booster from the mun
L186[12:19:04] <Althego> just how did it
get there
L187[12:20:02] <raptop> The same way those
kerbonauts get mysteriously stranded in orbit
L188[12:20:24] <Althego> i mean it was the
big long one
L189[12:20:49] <darsie> Althego: It's a
Hammer for me, it seems.
L190[12:22:37] <darsie> I'll try the roll
over the battery trick this time.
L191[12:22:39] <UmbralRaptop> Clydesdale?
Kickback?
L192[12:22:46] <darsie> Hammer
L193[12:22:51] <darsie> ah, Althego.
L194[12:23:06] <Althego> at that time the
biggest one was the shuttle booster
L195[12:23:10] <Althego> whatever its name
is
L196[12:25:06] <UmbralRaptop> biggest base
is the kickback; the clydesdale is dlc
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L202[12:54:52] <darsie> Recovery stage
will refuel once back in munar orbit.
L203[12:54:57] <darsie> with
picoports.
L204[12:55:19] <darsie> Hmm, a chute might
be useful :).
L205[12:56:43] <Althego> the hardest thing
is to catch it
L206[12:56:51] <Althego> in my case i
started to roll downhill once i got int orange
L207[12:57:23] <Althego> int orange =
5;
L208[12:57:57] <darsie> hm?
L209[12:58:08] <Althego> the part
L210[12:58:14] <Althego> it is on the
ground
L211[12:58:21] <Althego> how do you catch
it with the claw on the nose?
L212[12:58:35] <darsie> That chute messes
up my dv setup ...
L213[12:59:23] <darsie> Roll next to it,
arm, short burn, attach. With the RW roll over the batter and go
vertical or take off angled.
L214[13:01:50] <darsie> Meh, I'll just
attach a chute with a docking port, leave it in KEO and reattach
when I'm back with teh part :).
L215[13:02:46] <darsie> I hope the pico
port is rated for that force :)
L216[13:02:55] <darsie> doubtful
L217[13:02:59] <darsie> But I guess it'll
work.
L218[13:03:02] <Althego> i have never seen
a docking port separate
L219[13:03:16] <Althego> even if the two
ends were pulled apart with visible gap in them
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L222[13:25:54] <darsie> LKO*
L223[13:26:19] <darsie> What is KEO? That
sounds familiar.
L224[13:26:47] <darsie> Keostationary
orbit? :)
L225[13:26:54] <Althego> probably
L226[13:27:08] <Althego> just as there is
a kolniya orbit in ksp :)
L227[13:28:54] <UmbralRaptop> generally
yes
L228[13:36:05] <FLHerne>
Kerbostationary?
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L230[13:40:20] <raptop> something like
that
L231[13:43:23] <Althego> scott
L233[14:03:53] <flayer> he's smiling
deviously because he's gonna whoops your ass
L234[14:05:03] <flayer> once i get to the
level 3 tech i'll give him a nose
L235[14:06:20] <Althego> hehe
L236[14:18:14] <darsie> What's that?
L238[14:19:31] <darsie> With enough muscle
:)
L239[14:19:49] <darsie> Didn't even need
the battery as pivot.
L240[14:20:31] <Althego> hehe
L241[14:20:35] <flayer> roar!
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L253[16:38:17] <darsie> Hammer
recovered.
L254[16:39:22] <darsie> Docking without
RCS was difficult again.
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L257[16:50:07] <JVFoxy> Darsie ya can
be... specially the bigger the ship is.
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L278[20:53:44] <JVFoxy> I don't normally
do big spaceships. Was mostly messing around with things, ideas.
Sort of took some inspiration from Valiant spaceship in the Jovian
Chronicles RPG setting...
https://imgur.com/a/vtybuiA
L279[20:55:14] <JVFoxy> oh.. ugh, stupid
net..
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L294[23:43:43] <Althego> hehehe.
existential question of the day. if a transformer dies, can you use
the corpse as a regular car?
L295[23:44:14] <packbart> don't they
usually explode when they die?
L296[23:44:52] <Althego> i dont think
so
L297[23:47:42] <raptop> Depends on the
form
L298[23:47:55] <raptop> Also, they need to
be autobots
L299[23:48:23] <Althego> yes, i thought
about that too, as i heard it, they must be autobots
obviously
L300[23:48:51] <Althego> and good point,
you cant drive around the dead humanoid form
L301[23:52:39] <Althego> hey what happened
to the starlink 7 launch?
L302[23:52:59] <Althego> went back to the
unknown date pool
L303[23:53:05] <JVFoxy> Althego I tend to
think the transformer would stop to work either form. My thinking
is while its powered, it uses some tech to help complete the
illusion.
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