OCLogs: 2020-04-30.log

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L83[12:27:50] <Mat2ch> NASA wants to land on the Moon in 2024

L84[12:27:53] <Mat2ch> not bad

L85[12:28:18] <darsie> Land what?

L86[12:33:24] <Althego> probably one of the third party landers

L87[12:33:30] <Althego> blue origin, boeing whatever

L88[12:33:44] <Althego> by that time elon is going to be there, with or without nasa :)

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L90[12:34:53] <darsie> Humanned?

L91[12:35:04] <darsie> (wo)manned?

L92[12:36:19] <darsie> Does Elon need a permission to go there?

L93[12:37:23] <darsie> Will Elon use renewable methane?

L94[12:38:20] <flayer> 2024 seems a pretty reasonable timeframe for anyone to land on the moon

L95[12:38:23] <Althego> permission to launch. i dont think you need permission to land on the moon

L96[12:39:00] <Althego> wheter methane comes from a renewable source or not, probably the energy cost of (not) building the rocket again is way more

L97[12:42:31] <darsie> Energy can be renewable.

L98[12:46:58] <Mat2ch> well, I have the feeling that Starship - Moon edition will not return to Earth

L99[12:47:35] <darsie> How many tanker launches would that require?

L100[12:48:01] <Mat2ch> I guess three

L101[12:48:25] <darsie> That's not so bad.

L102[12:48:32] <Mat2ch> a tanker for refueling Starship in orbit, a tanker for the Moon base and a tanker to refill the tanker in the orbit

L103[12:48:55] <darsie> A tanker for the Moon base?

L104[12:49:15] <Mat2ch> or they do Earth orbit -> Moon Base -> Moon Surface -> Moon Base -> Earth orbit (refill)

L105[12:49:36] <darsie> I don't get it.

L106[12:49:44] <darsie> What's Moon base?

L107[12:49:46] <Mat2ch> not sure if last approach would be feasible

L108[12:49:46] <Althego> is it easier to land on mars than on the mun?

L109[12:49:50] <Althego> err moon

L110[12:50:00] <Althego> probably not

L111[12:50:04] <Mat2ch> Uh

L112[12:50:08] <Althego> based on the statistics

L113[12:50:15] <Mat2ch> no Moon base? I thought they wanted to build one

L114[12:50:17] <Althego> the atmosphere helps you a little

L115[12:50:24] <darsie> Mars requires less dv, I guess. Moon is probably easier.

L116[12:52:10] <Althego> but that is only the delta v

L117[12:52:16] <Althego> it seems it is notoriously hard to land on mars

L118[12:54:29] <packbart> Moon Base Alpha was still in the brochures, two years ago

L119[12:54:30] <packbart> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ajL0n44Bhc

L120[12:54:30] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX 'BFR' Spaceship to the Moon - Elon Musk Explains

L121[12:55:13] <Althego> so one tanking for a round trip

L122[12:55:19] <Althego> that is basically earth orbit rendezvous

L123[12:55:38] <Althego> lot simpler and safer than the moon orbit rendezvous, just less efficient

L124[12:55:46] <Althego> but this was based on the old design

L125[12:57:35] <Althego> i like what zubrin said about musk (not exactly with these words). by doing himself what corporations didnt do for decades, like electric car, and reusable rockets, he showed that there is a way to move forward, so now there are some fusion startups, so he did more for fusion than anybody else, despite never working on fusion

L126[12:59:10] <packbart> sooo... it's only ~20 years until flying fusion-powered cars? :)

L127[12:59:29] <Althego> you mean fusion powered spaceships

L128[12:59:51] <Althego> hello there expanse :)

L129[12:59:56] <packbart> any personal transport vehicles, no matter how they're called

L130[13:00:51] <packbart> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/Ford_Nucleon.jpg

L131[13:01:00] <Althego> hehe

L132[13:01:28] <Althego> finally the corsair ironclaw wireless mouse broke

L133[13:01:59] <Althego> i have to go back to the bloody, that being a lot older still functions properly, although after this time leaving it there i am not sure the battery is in top shape

L134[13:03:13] <Althego> the middle button started to work less reliably, which is usually the death of all of my mice, but the final problem is what i have never seen before, the wheel unhinged and even after putting it back now does not scroll

L135[13:03:48] <Althego> a pity because the mouse was somewhat more usable than the old one, just riddled with software bugs and a bit big

L136[13:03:50] <flayer> haha, i made it!

L137[13:03:51] <packbart> broken axle?

L138[13:04:25] <Althego> i have to take it apart tomorrow, for that i have to remove the what are those, sliding pads, because the screws are under those

L139[13:05:14] <Althego> and i have to replace the isb cable, because the new one does not fit the old mouse despite being the same standard, stupid specially shaped plastic part

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L141[13:07:49] <bildramer> https://jukebox.openai.com/?song=787729588

L142[13:09:13] <Althego> maybe a few decades until ai completely replaces human workforce

L143[13:12:43] <Mat2ch> Nah

L144[13:12:57] <Mat2ch> AI is still not intelligent and the current design will never be

L145[13:13:24] <Mat2ch> but we could already use it for some jobs that are currently down by workers

L146[13:13:33] <packbart> well, I hope to have virtualized my brain by then. digitized human intelligence + virtual machines. take a snapshot, spin up a few hundred copies to ponder a problem or learn something new, then shut them down again. unless they fight...

L147[13:16:39] <Althego> lol https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df6u5YDUcAEEAZT?format=jpg&name=large

L148[13:16:46] <Althego> i just found this

L149[13:17:00] <Althego> it's aliens

L150[13:17:05] <Althego> but x-files

L151[13:17:48] <sandbox> trust no one

L152[13:22:00] <Althego> scott

L153[13:22:37] <raptop> More air combat?

L154[13:22:42] <Althego> no

L155[13:22:50] <Althego> a rocket inside a rocket

L156[13:23:42] * raptop vaguely gestures at preburners >_>

L157[13:26:20] <flayer> exactly 700 science! not a bad return for 4x20k kredit launches.

L158[13:30:13] <Althego> and also sls vs starship video from everyday astronaut. 50 minutes long. the aerospike video also became a documentary

L159[13:30:46] <Althego> good that i watch yt 2x speed

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L161[14:16:42] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlHJAKIaALg

L162[14:16:43] <kmath> YouTube - Artemis Announcement: NASA Selects Human Landing Systems

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L164[14:27:28] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA69Oh3_obY

L165[14:27:28] <kmath> YouTube - SLS VS Starship: Why do both programs exist?!

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L173[15:51:00] <flayer> a 536 ton vehicle to bring 30 tons of fuel into orbit, lel

L174[16:12:10] <Black_Eagle> rocket equation in action

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L177[16:48:17] <UmbralRaptop> Tsiolkovsky the Tyrannical strikes again

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L187[18:39:06] <JVFoxy> hmm... anyone here put a lot of stuff in kerbin geo stationary orbit? Been mulling over DV costs when it comes to launching into the orbit. Direct launch vs using some kind of parking orbit

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L202[21:13:15] * JVFoxy messes around in KSP.. gets out to to Jool somehow. Finds Jool and Eello coming pretty close to each other around the early part of year 9

L203[21:15:04] <packbart> Ello Eeloo!

L204[21:21:17] <JVFoxy> huh.. another pass on Jool next round.. but 8 years...

L205[21:21:22] <JVFoxy> already max warp.. so slooow

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L207[21:26:44] <packbart> I noticed that the new "warp to maneuver node" button next to the navball bypasses time warp limits

L208[21:27:01] <packbart> ok, that's probably not a problem when going out to Jool

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L210[21:37:42] <JVFoxy> oh derp.. think game is doing weird stuff

L211[21:38:08] <JVFoxy> hard to tell which actual orbit the passes happens on.

L212[21:39:15] <JVFoxy> ya.. trouble is, node is stuck since I'm out of comm range, and I've already passed it.

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L214[21:40:25] <packbart> that's what pilots are good for ;)

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L216[21:41:44] <JVFoxy> probe

L217[21:42:42] <JVFoxy> mostly I was just throwing something out of kerbin's SOI, seeing where it would take me. With the intent I was going to revert after had my fill. Comm range wasn't exactly too great in that career

L218[21:44:31] <JVFoxy> just happened that I made an orbit around the star, coming back to Kerbin, figured I'd gravity assist further outwards, small correction I would swing by Jool if I prepped a node and turned the ship before was out of comm range first.

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