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L58[08:59:46] <hatrix> miner landed on Laythe! https://i.imgur.com/NhzoSoW.png
L59[09:00:01] <hatrix> now it's time to bring a plane there and some stuff :)
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L61[09:11:36] <hatrix> ideally an SSTO and also a plane with a short takeoff distance
L62[09:11:50] <Althego> so bright orange
L63[09:12:19] <hatrix> it's the same design I've got on the Mun, Minmus and Duna, it's everywhere :)
L64[09:12:54] <Althego> that tank used to be a different color
L65[09:13:08] <hatrix> hmm
L66[09:13:19] <Althego> i mean in older versions of the game
L67[09:13:26] <hatrix> oh, right
L68[09:14:00] <hatrix> I was weirded out by you remembering the color of my tanks
L69[09:15:37] <Althego> hrhr
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L71[09:45:17] <JVFoxy> oof... so brain storm on ship redesign.. or I guess upgrade... went from 36t to 40t. I was half expecting it to be quite a lot more.
L72[09:45:20] <JVFoxy> https://imgur.com/a/f2UZPdb
L73[09:45:56] <Althego> getting stranger all the time
L74[09:46:20] <Althego> actually you cant even do that shape
L75[09:46:28] <Althego> so how did you actually do it
L76[09:46:55] <Althego> ships are trees, cant make a graph
L77[09:47:08] <JVFoxy> lol... tank is actually connected to the command pod. I just displaced it to make it look like its connected to the sides
L78[09:47:45] <JVFoxy> same with the docking port for the lander.. ya I know tree but there are some tricks you can do do to make it look otherwise
L79[09:48:12] <Althego> there is a kind of copout way, you can start on the main tank with the engine, go to the pod, then from the pod back to the tank, you cant connect it there, but you can use a strut to anchor it to the tank
L80[09:49:49] <JVFoxy> loop, perhaps, but I was having a hard enough time angling sections as it was. Had go go wider around cuz of lander being wider.
L81[09:53:36] <JVFoxy> One of the roles I was thinking for the original design was to carry a cargo pod instead of the lander to other stations. second one could fit more, though might need extra fuel pods to keep the DV high enough
L82[09:57:13] <hatrix> where is it going?
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L84[09:57:45] <Althego> where we are going, we dont need roads
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L86[09:58:26] <JVFoxy> kerbin-mun and return with lander.. technically could even do Minmus as well
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L88[10:02:06] <JVFoxy> First mission I did a while back, took a couple of tourists on mun orbit. When I got back, got thrown a contract to rescue one on the surface. Only it was something like 45deg latitude. I ended up having to send out suplemental fuel and a refuel depot but yet to actually run the mission. KSP went through an update.
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L90[10:06:26] <darsie> JVFoxy: If you're good and want to save fuel, fly over the stranded Kerbal within 2.2 km, switch over, jetpack to orbit and then pick her up. :)
L91[10:08:36] <darsie> I even made it from the pole, without equatorial speed.
L92[10:09:28] <darsie> JVFoxy: I hope you planned your orbital plane half way to the Mun, rather than changing plane from equatorial orbit.
L93[10:10:23] <JVFoxy> kerbal on surface.. can't control till I'm within 2km.. if I recall
L94[10:10:37] <darsie> So fly within 2.2 km.
L95[10:12:06] <darsie> Preferably with an elliptic orbit, to avoid flying that low over much territory. Some peaks are higher.
L96[10:16:32] <JVFoxy> I've already got some stuff flown out to mun orbit. Ship was going to go out there, meet with the station. Has a fuel pod for the lander waiting.
L97[10:19:24] <darsie> Before I was good enough to jetpack from Mun pole to orbit I did suborbital rescue missions. Those were fun :).
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L99[10:24:43] <JVFoxy> geez.. looking back at things, 1.20 4 years ago?
L100[10:25:03] <JVFoxy> was when I worked on that mission last.. didn't realize it was /that/ long ago
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L102[10:26:35] <JVFoxy> huh.. so it was.. only stopped that career cuz I wanted to wait till I got better recording setup.. sigh oh well
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L112[11:34:55] <Althego> scott
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L123[12:58:26] <Haddock> hi
L124[12:58:29] <Mod9000> Hello, Haddock
L125[12:58:31] <Haddock> ksp crashes on the main menu for me
L126[12:58:49] <Haddock> i've tried uninstalling it and reinstalling it, rebooting my pc, but it still crashes as soon as it gets to the start menu and i try to click anything
L127[12:59:14] <Haddock> it's version 1.9
L128[12:59:27] <Althego> usually it creates som kind of crash log
L129[13:00:02] <Haddock> where is the crash log file?
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L131[13:01:06] <Althego> on windows it puts a new dir into the install dir with some stuff
L132[13:02:08] <Haddock> is it the KSP.txt file?
L133[13:02:11] <Haddock> that looks like a log file
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L135[13:02:55] <Althego> if it was in a dir with a date and time in the name it can be
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L137[13:03:57] <Haddock> https://dpaste.org/ixEH
L138[13:04:02] <Haddock> those are the more recent messages in that file
L139[13:04:06] <Haddock> around the time it crashes
L140[13:04:56] <Althego> who knows what this is. you have any mods installed?
L141[13:05:39] <Haddock> nope, no mods
L142[13:07:28] <Althego> there should be a ksp.log in the install dir too
L143[13:08:56] <packbart> I think I've seen that message on the forum. Too much RAM ;)
L144[13:09:03] <Althego> lol
L145[13:10:33] <packbart> hmm. it seems to have been caused by MiniAVC in these cases. https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/191081-tla_debug_stack_leak/
L146[13:10:47] <Althego> i found that too
L147[13:10:57] <Althego> but without mods there should not be any miniavc present
L148[13:11:46] <packbart> indeed. there are reports of it happening without mods, too
L149[13:12:24] <Haddock> yeah i don't have any miniavc files
L150[13:13:45] <Althego> even if you start an official bug report i doubt it would be in less than a few months
L151[13:13:52] <Althego> would be fixed
L152[13:14:18] <packbart> hmm. I might have confused the "too much RAM" with something else t
L153[13:14:29] <packbart> that was fixed by adding the Heap Padder mod
L154[13:14:51] <packbart> but that only happened with >32GB RAM, I think
L155[13:18:41] <Haddock> oh sweet i got it working
L156[13:18:49] <Haddock> i launched it from the launcher in the install folder instead of from steam and it worked
L157[13:18:58] <Haddock> thanks for your help
L158[13:19:04] <Althego> you dont ned the launcher
L159[13:19:14] <Althego> there should be an executable there too, which should start it directly
L160[13:19:33] <Althego> the launcher never did anything in the last few years so it is completely pointless
L161[13:19:41] <Haddock> just glad i got it working :)
L162[13:22:26] <Haddock> nope, it froze when i clicked resume game
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L173[16:20:57] <darsie> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Shuttle_mounting_point.JPG
L174[16:20:57] <darsie> http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot235.png
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L186[18:03:23] <lewie> Hi
L187[18:03:26] <Mod9000> Hello, lewie
L188[18:03:37] <lewie> What’s up?
L189[18:04:08] <lewie> Has everyone here been to duna?
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L191[18:07:54] <packbart> no
L192[18:08:04] <packbart> well, not the long way, anyway. "set orbit" ftw :)
L193[18:09:32] <JVFoxy> attempted to fly-by once.. but was ages ago..
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L219[23:51:04] <Althego> oh no, i feel the urge again to play surviving mars. it wasnt even half a year ago
L220[23:59:01] <JVFoxy> last night someone said my ship design was.. 'strange'... well, tried another angle on things...
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