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L7[01:18:35] <Althego> hehe i didnt know
such a signal existed
L8[01:18:48] <Althego> google says it cant
even happen on x86
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L31[03:43:07] <hatrix> I'm impressed by the
quality, I thought it'd only be blurry
L32[03:43:18] <Rolf> not bad
L33[03:43:26] <Rolf> 3/4 or 1/2 is great
for details
L34[03:44:56] <hatrix> this was 2 days ago
I think, the moon was quite orange
L35[03:45:18] <hatrix> I'll try the next
3/4 :)
L36[03:45:34] <Rolf> 2/3 I think too
L37[03:45:57] <Rolf> those gives you
different type of detail which is cool
L38[03:46:24] <hatrix> the only ones you
can see are on the side on mine yep :/
L39[03:46:39] <hatrix> I forgot my tripod
at work though
L40[03:46:45] <hatrix> and it's in lockdown
until the end of april
L42[03:48:41] <Rolf> your hands can be
oretty steady I think, if you use something fixed and both your
arms is nicely secure
L43[03:48:58] <Rolf> you just need bunch of
references for your brain to hold hands in spot
L44[03:49:15] <hatrix> I shot at 1/400 for
this one
L45[03:49:19] <hatrix> just had to bump the
iso a bit
L46[03:49:59] <hatrix> I'd like to buy a
150-600 though
L48[03:51:34] <JVFoxy> I've a field scope
sorta thing. I've been wanting to get an adaptor so I can mount my
digital camera to it for moon and shots of other planets
L49[03:52:43] <taniwha> I've got a 300mm
micro-4/3 lens + 2x teleconverter
L51[03:52:53] <taniwha> I can get Saturn's
rings
L52[03:53:16] <Rolf> i live at astromy hell
so i dont get to see much. too bad
L53[03:53:29] <hatrix> aps-c or similar
taniwha ?
L54[03:53:35] <Rolf> i still want to drive
to nearest magnate 1 (3 hour drive or so)
L55[03:53:43] <Rolf> but problem is will it
be clear? lol
L56[03:53:49] <JVFoxy> I got the moon
once.. somewhat decent. Though it was through trial and error. I
pointed at a street lamp to trick the camera. Then pointed at the
moon while it was in 'preset' mode
L57[03:53:49] <taniwha> micro-4/3 17.5mm
sensor
L58[03:53:50] <hatrix> what's magnate 1
?
L59[03:54:00] <Rolf> mangled spelling. hold
on a second
L60[03:54:01] <taniwha> (Olympus OMD
E1mII)
L61[03:54:08] <hatrix> ah, unusual
L62[03:54:39] <taniwha> so that lends combo
gives me 1200mm at 35mm equivalent
L63[03:54:43] <hatrix> oh so you've got a
x2 crop factor
L64[03:54:46] <taniwha> lens combo
L65[03:54:50] <taniwha> yeah
L67[03:54:59] <Rolf> hatrix: check this
out
L68[03:55:00] <hatrix> that's
incredible
L69[03:55:08] <Rolf> im at 9 :(
L70[03:55:14] <hatrix> oops
L71[03:55:25] <hatrix> I've got something
between 3 and 5
L72[03:55:28] <taniwha> just trying to find
my photos
L73[03:55:41] <taniwha> (you know, pics or
it didn't happen ;)
L74[03:56:03] <Rolf> noooo
L75[03:56:09] <Rolf> dark sky finder is
broken!!
L77[03:57:11] <hatrix> what was it supposed
to do?
L78[03:57:13] <Rolf> host server crash
apparently
L79[03:57:25] <Rolf> hat its like google
map but it shows levels of darkness
L80[03:57:35] <Rolf> same scale as image
you saw
L82[03:58:35] <taniwha> not sure if I took
that by hand or with a tripod
L83[03:58:42] <taniwha> very short
exposure, though
L84[03:58:54] <JVFoxy> suburban area here..
though eh.. hard to tell darkness of sky here
L86[03:59:05] *
hatrix squints
L89[03:59:20] <hatrix> that's a nice moon
though
L90[03:59:35] <taniwha> thanks
L91[04:00:12] <JVFoxy> during a drive south
of Spokane though.. super rual area. I had to stop, get out cuz of
so much in the sky
L92[04:00:34] <JVFoxy> Taniwha: dang!
L93[04:00:49] <hatrix> do any of you have
any good resources for learning to spot things in the sky?
L94[04:00:50] <Rolf> just remembered
fstops, when I wa talking about 3/4 so on, I was talking about moon
phases not fstops in case I wasnt clear :D
L95[04:00:53] <hatrix> other than looking
at maps
L96[04:00:54] <taniwha> getting that nebula
was fun: I could not see it
L97[04:01:18] <Rolf> not me unfortunately
no way to learn this stuff in 9 brightness heh
L98[04:01:37] <taniwha> I spotted it in my
8-mm shot, and used orion's belt to navigate with my
"600"mm
L99[04:01:42] <JVFoxy> hatrix: like a
virtual sky sort of thing?
L100[04:02:04] <hatrix> nice nebalu
indeed
L101[04:02:26] <Rolf> theres app for it
also
L102[04:02:34] <Rolf> it uses magnet and
gps
L103[04:02:35] <hatrix> JVFoxy: idk,
something like a tuto along the lines of "try to look for this
star, then you'll be able to recognise this one next to it
easily…"
L104[04:02:51] <hatrix> I don't like maps,
too much stuff on them
L105[04:02:58] <Rolf> so youre
"seeing" names etc though phone to approxately correct
position
L106[04:03:05] <hatrix> yep, I hate
those
L107[04:03:15] <Rolf> no filtering
options?
L108[04:03:27] <hatrix> by brightness? not
sure
L109[04:03:55] <JVFoxy> hatrix: not
sure... mostly I know where Orion is since its pretty easy to
spot..
L110[04:04:05] <Rolf> no, features like
you search for name and it shows only that
L111[04:04:22] <hatrix> well, I can only
spot the ursa major :p
L113[04:05:43] <Rolf> orion very
easy
L114[04:05:45] <JVFoxy> I have one of the
older Redshift CDs from late 90's-early 2000s or so.. hadn't used
it in a wihle though.
L115[04:06:06] <Rolf> probably not when
theres million stars but here with 100s of stars its very easy to
spot
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L118[04:07:16] <JVFoxy> looks like also a
phone ap as well
L119[04:08:07] <hatrix> thanks JVFoxy
:)
L120[04:08:38] <JVFoxy> I just searched
'earth sky tonight' and 'realtime nightsky', just some
examples
L121[04:09:28] <JVFoxy> hatrix: its
cool... been a bit of a dull night. Have problems sleeping it
seems
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L123[04:09:58] <hatrix> me too, for
whatever reason
L124[04:10:34] <JVFoxy> was crashing
pretty hard after dinner last night, only got a few hours sleep...
been going on since this whole pandemic thing started
L125[04:10:57] <JVFoxy> chances are... 2am
now.. probably end up crashing hard again around 6-7am
L126[04:11:02] <hatrix> what do you mean
by crashing?
L127[04:11:08] <hatrix> I don't speak
canadian
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L130[04:14:39] <JVFoxy> oh... ending up so
badly tired, just end up falling asleep moment you lay down sort of
thing
L131[04:15:17] <hatrix> what time is it
where you live right now?
L132[04:15:21] <hatrix> it's 11:16am
here
L133[04:18:54] <JVFoxy> 0218
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L139[04:55:46] <Althego> i forgot it was
friday yesterday. there was a really good gtoger video too
L140[04:56:03] <Althego> next time find
the vallhenge
L141[04:56:40] <hatrix> that's for the
next manned mission :)
L142[04:56:57] <hatrix> I'd like to have
some refuel opportunity in the Jool system also
L143[04:57:09] <hatrix> it's quite far
from everything and takes ages to go there
L144[04:58:16] <hatrix> I'm thinking about
an orbital station around Jool and a miner/refiller on Pol
L145[04:58:57] <hatrix> and latern on a
craft that would be able to land on nearly all moons
L146[05:08:33] <JVFoxy> hatrix: what did
you do to figure out your launch windows?
L147[05:10:40] <hatrix> kerbal alarm
clock
L148[05:10:48] <hatrix> but it's kinda
weird
L149[05:10:57] <hatrix> I got an encounter
way too early
L150[05:11:17] <hatrix> I don't know how
it calculates those things
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L153[05:12:51] <hatrix> easier to use than
the one with angles
L154[05:13:19] <Althego> that is a
rudimentary calculation
L155[05:13:27] <hatrix> what's the
transfer type though?
L156[05:13:30] <Althego> this is based on
precise orbital calulcation
L157[05:13:37] <Althego> probably similar
to kac
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L159[05:25:41] <JVFoxy> I think I tried
alarm clock.. which was the one that had a kind of color graph
based on how much DV you need to spend to get between points as
well as the window?
L160[05:26:51] <JVFoxy> oh wait... maybe
it was that one Althego..
L161[05:27:14] <hatrix> there's a transfer
window option where you select your departure body and where you
want to go, from there it just creates an alarm when you need to
go
L162[05:27:52] <hatrix> but I don't know
how accurate this window is, do I need to go exactly when it tells
me to? Does it take into account the time needed to get into orbit,
execute the maneuvers etc?
L163[05:27:58] <hatrix> or is it
negligeable?
L164[05:28:52] <Althego> for
interplanetary distances few hours dont matter
L165[05:28:57] <JVFoxy> think its a bit
more complicated than that
L166[05:29:02] <Althego> the planets move
slowly
L167[05:29:14] <hatrix> ok that's what I
thought
L168[05:29:28] <JVFoxy> think alarm clock
just gives you a rough idea of when the best time to go is.. you
still need to plot out your burn and vector
L169[05:30:16] <hatrix> yes, and for burns
of ~5 minutes it gets kinda hard
L170[05:30:29] <hatrix> the maneuver node
wants me to dive into the atmosphere at the beginning
L171[05:30:42] <Althego> you can do
that
L172[05:30:50] <Althego> or have a bit
higher orbits
L173[05:31:04] <Althego> but in general
from kerbin you dont van really long injections
L174[05:31:24] <JVFoxy> lol... ion engines
are a pain
L175[05:31:32] <Althego> not necessarlily
ions
L177[05:31:38] <Althego> i had longer
burns with single nuke setups
L178[05:31:45] <packbart> never really
used it, though
L179[05:31:55] <JVFoxy> granted as a
challenge to myself, I tried to see if I could land on mun and
minmus on just ion engines alone
L180[05:32:01] <Althego> the injection in
that case not very efficient because you cant burn in parallel to
the orbit
L181[05:32:03] <hatrix> I'm using nuclear
engines
L182[05:32:24] <hatrix> how did that work
out JVFoxy?
L183[05:32:59] <JVFoxy> well.. granted it
was early version of KSP back in the day... I managed. I have pics
of them landed. I have to dig them up though
L184[05:33:05] <packbart> "Porkchop
plot". weird name
L185[05:33:26] <Althego> not weirder than
chobham armor :)
L186[05:33:48] <Althego> (yes that totally
exists)
L187[05:33:59] <JVFoxy> packbart was a
breaker panel in the X-29 called the porkchop panel just cuz of the
shape
L188[05:34:16] <packbart> anyway, that
plot will also roughly show how "wide" the acceptable
transfer window is
L189[05:34:35] <JVFoxy> switches for the
flyby wire system to go from backup or disabling
L190[05:43:46] <JVFoxy> ah found the
pics...
L192[05:46:32] <JVFoxy> ion engines got
rearranged but the booster to get it to orbit was about the
same...
L193[05:47:29] <JVFoxy> lol.. first
version on the pad I sort over did it a little with the tanks, or I
might have been testing something
L194[05:50:29] <hatrix> ahah, landing with
solar panels?
L195[05:55:50] <JVFoxy> ya.. it just sorta
happened that way..
L196[05:56:05] <JVFoxy> way back in
earlier edition of the game, had to use wings as landing legs or
something.
L197[05:56:24] <Althego> there were no
landing gears or legs
L198[05:56:35] <Althego> i started in 0.24
so i never experienced that
L199[05:58:42] <JVFoxy> friend got it
during 0.18, but was on his laptop and a bit slow. He never picked
up on it, said it was too complicated. It was through him I sorta
found out about the game. I ended up getting it during 0.23, but
that was updated to 0.24 at one point. I've ended up saving each
new version separate since.
L200[06:01:19] <JVFoxy> when I tried mods
on a version of the game, even that got put into its own folder. I
didn't always mod KSP. There was also times when they were updating
the game pretty quickly as well
L201[06:02:01] <JVFoxy> When they went to
the newer version of Unity engine, for a bit we had pretty skiddy
wheels, drifting rovers
L202[06:02:01] <Althego> the question is,
will we get 1.10?
L203[06:02:51] <Althego> 2 is delayed so
there is time for it
L204[06:02:52] <JVFoxy> don't know... any
thoughts what they might do? more bug fixes..?
L205[06:03:24] <Althego> are all the
planets remodelled?
L206[06:03:27] <Althego> i think not
L207[06:03:43] <JVFoxy> those courage and
stupidity stat bars never got used if I recall?
L208[06:03:59] <Althego> they influence
faces the kerbals make :)
L209[06:04:08] <Althego> some mods use
them
L210[06:04:14] <JVFoxy> ah..
L211[06:05:15] <JVFoxy> Althego: do you
use the Mk1-3 pod and the built in RCS on a regular basis?
L212[06:05:34] <Althego> not really
L213[06:05:49] <JVFoxy> ok so you haven't
had issues with it just stop working then huh?
L214[06:05:55] <Althego> hehe, no
L215[06:06:00] <JVFoxy> or chance to
really notice...
L216[06:07:06] <JVFoxy> wondering if I did
something, or if it was a bug. I had a ship, undocked lander to the
mun. Came back, redocked, found out the RCS just wasn't there, but
the separate blocks on the aft were still working
L217[06:08:16] <JVFoxy> I guess I could
just do further testing. If it is a problem, just add a set of
linear ports on the nose end..
L218[06:08:24] <packbart> I guess I'm
lucky I started with 1.4 or thereabouts ;)
L219[06:08:58] <JVFoxy> have to ask, why
do you say 'lucky'?
L220[06:09:31] <darsie> When will the new
demo come out?
L221[06:09:31] <packbart> I didn't have to
go through KSPs earlier bugs and I also cannot complain about
things that went missing from the game ;)
L222[06:09:56] <Althego> what is
missing?
L223[06:10:15] <Althego> the mysterious
you hit the launchpad in orbit bug
L224[06:10:22] <Althego> i hated that so
much
L225[06:10:38] <packbart> I don't remember
;) But I read some "KSP was so much better in ye olde
tymes" threads on the forum
L226[06:10:39] <Althego> i guess they
never found out what causes it, just soem random change fixed
it
L227[06:10:46] <JVFoxy> oh more ouch than
the one I kept getting: hit VAB while landing spaceplane on runway,
but still 3km out
L228[06:10:56] <JVFoxy> was always
wings
L229[06:10:57] <Althego> yes,
similar
L230[06:11:02] <Althego> also happened
during landing
L231[06:11:07] <Althego> but for me it was
always the launchpad
L232[06:11:23] <Althego> wing surfaces
disintegrated during landing approach
L233[06:11:52] <JVFoxy> packbart: it
wasn't all bad though. The fun we had with faster than orbital
speed planes at the edge of space because... engines didn't know
when to quit
L234[06:13:18] <JVFoxy> not heat
damage
L235[06:13:40] <Althego> hehe yes, you
could relatively easily make ssto missions to duna
L236[06:13:40] <JVFoxy> although I guess
you could turn that off still if you wanna relive to those days
again in a limited sense
L237[06:13:52] <Althego> since then it
became qute hard
L239[06:14:21] <kmath> YouTube -
Kantonspolizei Bern Star Wars Weihnachtsspot (Kantonspolizei büsst
Stormtrooper auf dem Bundesplatz)
L240[06:15:57] <JVFoxy> if anything, wish
when they updated parts, they'd kept the older ones as well.
L241[06:16:16] <Althego> they could have
kept them in the look switching menu
L242[06:16:23] <Althego> at least in the
newest iteratin
L243[06:16:37] <JVFoxy> the look switching
menu?
L244[06:16:48] <Althego> many parts have a
way to change how they look
L245[06:16:54] <Althego> just texture
though
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L247[06:16:59] <JVFoxy> oh the multi skin
picker
L248[06:17:49] <JVFoxy> engines have a few
different looks through that system as well
L249[06:18:18] <JVFoxy> although, not sure
it can support complete model swap. Some of the parts got pretty
heavy overhauls
L250[06:19:45] <JVFoxy> the three crew
command pod still in the game but its hidden. Only if you port over
a craft file from a previous game with it in there. Though, I'm not
sure if that is still a thing in the more recent versions
L251[06:20:14] <Althego> when they did
these changes for at least one version they kept the old ones in
the game
L252[06:20:19] <JVFoxy> sorry, the old
three crew, the one without RCS, was heavier, different door.
L253[06:20:29] <Althego> i hated
that
L254[06:20:33] <Althego> because it was
too heavy
L255[06:21:02] <Althego> the roll rcs
thing on it, would be actually useful if you could move the com off
center
L256[06:21:55] <JVFoxy> they shaved the
weight in half from 3t right?
L257[06:22:05] <Althego> something like
that
L258[06:22:44] <JVFoxy> weight wasn't too
big an issue for me. If anything, it kept the CoM higher up on a
rocket
L259[06:24:19] <JVFoxy> Maybe some day a
mod, makes the older one the first you unlocked. Then, you can have
it upgraded or something
L260[06:24:42] <Althego> there used to be
mods like that
L261[06:24:50] <Althego> for the previous
gen models
L262[06:24:58] <Althego> they added the
old ones again
L263[06:25:13] <JVFoxy> I remember a
legacy parts pack but that was about it.
L264[06:26:35] <JVFoxy> I had some other
mods during an earlier version of KSP, FASA, Realfuels, some other
stuff to do with engines, parts. In career, when you unlocked stuff
like say an engine, you can spend a little more to upgrade it to
another tier which gave slightly better stats
L265[06:26:53] <Althego> that sounds
nice
L266[06:28:27] <JVFoxy> hmm.. maybe it was
just FASA with raster prop....
L267[06:30:14] <JVFoxy> ooooor.. this
crazy multi mod during 0.90... friend said they were having a hard
time with getting SSTO to work. I offered to help. Turns out they
had ton of mods with it... ugh anyways
L268[06:31:45] <JVFoxy> speaking of.. I
should maybe poke at Kerbinside again.. I miss having places to
just fly to.. or build up my own.. or some place different to fly
from
L269[06:32:07] <Althego> there are a few
places
L270[06:32:11] <Althego> with dlc
though
L271[06:34:22] <JVFoxy> ya been killing me
I didn't make it in early enough for the free dlc but my friend
did
L272[06:34:38] <Althego> i wasnt early
enough either
L273[06:34:41] <JVFoxy> yet he hasn't
played since 0.18 because its too complicated fo rhim
L274[06:34:51] <Althego> kind of unfair,
0.24 looks early for me
L275[06:35:00] <Althego> but i simply
didnt know of the game before that
L276[06:35:03] <JVFoxy> .23 for me
L277[06:35:22] <JVFoxy> and I knew.. I
just couldn't get assed to put my machine together fast enough or
something
L278[06:35:55] <JVFoxy> the DLC with other
locations is nice but I've played with kerbinside, built up a few
other places
L279[06:38:43] <JVFoxy> was going to say,
you all probably hit every planet by now. I've been stuck playing
with plane designs and stuff. I probably only kissed Jool twice but
didn't really do much else.
L280[06:41:14] *
JVFoxy pokes web, "wait.. Kerbinside got remastered?
ooooooh..."
L281[06:41:20] <Althego> still havent gone
into the tylo cave
L283[06:44:36] <Althego> they must live
underground
L284[06:44:51] <Althego> have you noticed
how many asteroids hit the planet?
L285[06:45:39] <JVFoxy> to be honest..?
Not really
L286[06:45:56] <JVFoxy> don't know about
hitting, but I have seen people parachute some of them down
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L288[06:54:35] <packbart> I've never been
to any other planet the long way. I used "set orbit" to
practice landing on some of them, though
L289[06:54:59] <Althego> why did you
rpactice if you didnt want to go there? :)
L290[06:55:39] <packbart> well, I usually
have so much else going on, I can't afford warping time a few years
ahead ;)
L291[06:58:01] <packbart> hmm. I have a
spare laptop with a broken display. I always wanted to build some
automated KSP sandbox. maybe this time :)
L292[06:58:16] <Althego> automated?
L293[06:58:23] <packbart> the idea is to
have several instances of KSP connected to a multiplayer server,
executing scripted missions
L294[06:58:36] <JVFoxy> multiplayer ksp
huh?
L295[06:58:41] <packbart> so I can just
relax and watch shuttles go by ;)
L296[06:58:47] <Althego> hehe
L297[06:59:19] <JVFoxy> realtime space
station view...
L298[06:59:19] <packbart> JVFoxy: there
are two Multiplayer mods for KSP and LUA-script- and RPC-mods
L299[07:00:00] <packbart> one time, I had
a python script to send up a mining drone from Minmus to the fuel
station, unload, refuel and then return to its mining spot
L300[07:00:08] <packbart> (mostly just
calling MechJeb routines ;)
L301[07:00:41] <JVFoxy> think I'm mostly
familiar with DMP for KSP from a while back
L302[07:01:03] <JVFoxy> though its only
through people using it and posting on youtube
L303[07:02:36] <JVFoxy> script.. so that
like the stuff tapegaming was using for their fighter jet showdown
series?
L304[07:03:54] <JVFoxy> speaking of tape..
I see hasn't posted in over a year now. :(
L305[07:04:38] <packbart> possibly. I know
three variants. kOS (in-game but horrible, artifically difficult
language, imo), kRPC (external scripts interfacing via RPC calls,
has some latency) and RedOnion (in-game, Lua)
L306[07:05:29] <JVFoxy> ah.. I'm not sure
what they used, some sorta 'ai' thing along with bdarmory so they
could have 6 plans flying around trying to shoot each other
down
L307[07:05:44] <JVFoxy> all ran in one
game
L308[07:05:45] <packbart> ah, that's
probably yet another mod
L309[07:06:34] <packbart> there are some
to control whole squadrons of vessels at once
L310[07:06:43] <JVFoxy> ya...
L311[07:07:00] <JVFoxy> he could also
switch to one and take control if wanted
L312[07:07:58] <packbart> nah, I'd just
like to script the missions I never felt flying myself. that will
require enough cheating and save/restore to debug, anyway
L313[07:08:04] *
JVFoxy fires up 0.90 cuz of a nagging feeling to know something.
Ugh as it uses secondary screen on system. >.>
L314[07:08:27] <JVFoxy> oh so routine
missions
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L316[07:09:04] <packbart> well, somebody
needs to keep shuttling tourists ;)
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L318[07:11:07] <JVFoxy> how many you
flying at a time?
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L322[07:14:55] <kmath> YouTube - Frontier:
Elite 2 Intro - The Dangerous Remake (2016 Uncle Art Orchestral
Version)
L324[07:23:26] <kmath> YouTube - MASH and
the Coronavirus
L325[07:26:25] *
JVFoxy checking out a site on old version of the game. Finds it in
darkness. Goes to warp things ahead into daylight. Tries to stop
warp, instead finger slips, max warp, ends up 8 days
ahead.
L326[07:26:59] <JVFoxy> looking through
some old stuff... Jylland Aerospace Launch site and runway. Placed
on a spit of land on the other major landmass, across the water
east of KSC.. idea was to be an alternative landing site for
spaceplanes...
L327[07:27:31] <JVFoxy> picked spit of
land cuz... was sorta going for a bit of a 'Denmark' sort of
theme...
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L329[07:35:58] <JVFoxy> Packbart: how many
tourists are you shuttling at a time?
L330[07:37:43] <packbart> my biggest one
shuttles about 9 per trip to Minmus and back. I don't really like
flying tourist tours, that's why I might try to automate them
:)
L331[07:41:38] <JVFoxy> Ooof.. I launched
10 tourists+1 pilot into orbit with a ship
L332[07:42:28] <JVFoxy> most wanted an
orbit, a couple wanted the trip to the mun...
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L334[07:43:18] <packbart> it became much
easier once I removed the Kerbalism mod :)
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L336[07:43:33] <packbart> otherwise those
tours need a lot of energy and supplies
L337[07:44:10] <JVFoxy> ah sort of
lifesupport
L338[07:44:46] <packbart> yeah, plus
reliability and science takes time
L339[07:44:58] <JVFoxy> ya.. my 'cruise
ship' would have had problems if I went lifesupport route with 11
people on board
L340[07:47:24] <JVFoxy> I've wondered
about various configurations with my other ship if I went and used
taclifesupport. Carter could carry up to 7, but I don't want that
many usually. Leave a little extra room... just in case.
L341[07:48:09] <JVFoxy> to be honest
though, I never got around to picking up that kerbal stranded on
the mun yet. Hope was to make a video out of it but... motivation,
other things
L342[07:48:22] <packbart> radiation,
van-Kerman-belts and coronal mass ejections, too. Kerbalism is
quite feature-rich if you like to make Kerbals suffer ;)
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L344[07:48:38] <Althego> hehe, van kerman
belts
L345[07:52:09] <JVFoxy> I might be the
weird one out here, not too fond of making things suffer
L346[07:53:27] <packbart> I don't either.
But there are of course some who say KSP is too easy and "life
support shouldhavebeenstock!!"
L347[07:53:58] <Althego> it is easy after
a few months of playing
L348[07:53:59] <packbart> Kerbalism ups
the challenge
L349[07:54:53] <JVFoxy> I kind of like
that you can choose which system to go with instead. Though, there
are some out there that might find the game pretty complicated as
is already
L350[07:55:15] <JVFoxy> choose your own
challenges...
L351[07:57:32] <FltAdmVonSpiz> this just
makes me feel rubbish ebcause I have a hard time doing anything
like taht
L352[07:57:51] <FltAdmVonSpiz> like I
modded in a gas core nuclear rocket and still struggle
L353[07:59:16] <packbart> yeah, sometimes
I despair, too. the Youtubers make it look so easy to build viable
spacecraft ;)
L354[07:59:23] <Althego> hehe
L355[07:59:29] <JVFoxy> I tried doing a
little mod myself, mostly adding a few resources to a couple of
empty structrual parts.
L356[07:59:51] <JVFoxy> packbart massive
viable ships or?
L357[08:00:46] <packbart> sometimes even a
little thing that arrives in orbit with enough dV left
L358[08:01:37] <packbart> ok, I don't like
to use nuke engines for irrational reasons. so I'm limiting myself
already
L359[08:02:15] <JVFoxy> I guess nukes are
ok.. maybe further along in the career and for super long missions.
I kind of try to avoid using rapier engines
L360[08:03:13] <Althego> the real ones are
never going to make it
L361[08:03:27] <Althego> currently spacex
seems to be ahead of everything in reusability without special
jets
L362[08:05:18] <JVFoxy> my Dynafly ssto
can make orbit, but its max payload is 1t or about. Then again, I
am using the shuttle command pod which is heavy in itself. But
hey... 4 crew to orbit with that alone. (6 if I use a mod that adds
to more on a 'lower deck')
L363[08:05:51] <JVFoxy> I don't use
rapier... just the hypersonic jets and a couple of swivles
L364[08:09:28] <packbart> I'm chatting
here all the time and haven't fired up KSP in days, let alone do
anything with it. I think I'll try and finish the construcion base
design this weekend
L365[08:09:46] <packbart> been too busy
driving simulated trucks around and standing at multiplayer fishing
ponds
L366[08:11:29] <JVFoxy> truck sim and..
wait.. fishing pods?
L367[08:12:00] <packbart> fishing
simulator ;) MMOF is a thing now
L368[08:12:11] <Althego> lol
L369[08:14:53] <JVFoxy> .. sorry
MMOF?
L370[08:15:01] <JVFoxy> multi.. something
online fishing?
L371[08:15:15] <JVFoxy> oh.. massive
multiplayer online fishing
L372[08:15:47] <packbart> the first m
stands for "massive". but that's not quite true in this
case. usually only a handful of other players at the same
pond
L373[08:16:20] <JVFoxy> does it get crazy
there? I seem to recall some ... 'stuff' when it comes to truck
sims, even massive multiplayer flight sim networks.
L375[08:17:07] <JVFoxy> I seem to recall a
few people I watched on youtube doing something like the fishing
sim.. or may have been the hunting one
L376[08:17:11] <packbart> oh yeah, I have
heard of the really crazy flight sims. People sitting at home
directing "air traffic" of other people sitting at home
flying planes around
L377[08:17:16] <packbart> that is massive
:)
L378[08:17:53] <JVFoxy> well... that is
when things are going as it should be. There'd been some...
craziness going on at times too, troll-pilots
L379[08:18:22] <JVFoxy> usually someone
flying airforce one, or some supersonic jet, like concorde or
F-14s..
L380[08:18:27] <Althego> who would want to
be an atc for fun? it is hard work
L381[08:18:34] <packbart> ah. I have been
"yelled" at via chat that I'm blocking someone's view of
his float. but that's about as crazy as it gets
L382[08:18:52] <Althego> in reality it is
less probable that you can do that job than to be a mensa
member
L383[08:19:13] <JVFoxy> Althego if I
recall... people don't 'just become ATC' on a whim... there's a
training course even for online.
L384[08:19:46] <Althego> even i there is a
training course, something like 95% of people are just unable to do
it
L385[08:20:06] <JVFoxy> then again.. look
at people driving virtual trucks, planes... even a full on farming
sim
L386[08:20:18] <Althego> that is
different
L387[08:20:39] <Althego> not relies on
inherent capability that is not learnable
L388[08:20:52] <JVFoxy> heh was more along
the lines of, people playing games about working
L389[08:21:12] <Althego> is there a game
about software developer where you have to write code? :)
L390[08:21:19] <packbart> nothing beats
the thrill of driving 17 metric tons of fish sticks from Hamburg to
Stockholm ;)
L391[08:21:19] <Althego> maybe go to
meetings too? :)
L392[08:21:30] <packbart> Office
Simulator
L393[08:21:38] <JVFoxy> job
simulator
L394[08:21:38] <packbart> would buy
L395[08:22:01] <Althego> there is a pc
building simulator
L396[08:22:14] <JVFoxy> lol.. game
development simulator.... make a game development simulator in the
simulator, get a 'meta' achievement.
L397[08:22:19] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I remember
0.8
L398[08:22:23] <FltAdmVonSpiz> where I
modded in a target flare
L399[08:22:28] <FltAdmVonSpiz> and tried
to do orbital rendevous without the map screen
L400[08:22:33] <FltAdmVonSpiz> that was
fun but almost impossible to do efficiently
L401[08:22:40] <Althego> now that is
hardcore
L402[08:22:49] <JVFoxy> target
flare?
L403[08:23:01] <JVFoxy> that sorta like a
road side flare thing?
L404[08:23:34] <JVFoxy> lol.. I tried
orbiting the mun without patched conics
L405[08:23:46] <Althego> that is extremely
easy
L406[08:23:56] <Althego> i went to the mun
and back in cockpit view
L407[08:24:04] <Althego> that required
some calculation
L408[08:24:08] <Althego> not much
though
L409[08:24:21] <JVFoxy> lol.. stock panel
or did you have that fancy rasterprop setup?
L410[08:24:37] <Althego> full stock
L411[08:25:02] <Althego> usually i make it
as a must to go to mun without conics in carreer
L412[08:25:13] <JVFoxy> hey.. it be cool
if you did it with raster. Stock just lacks so much already
L413[08:25:56] <JVFoxy> in career, I won't
do mun till I get the 3 person command pod unlocked. Otherwise its
probes till then
L414[08:27:59] <Althego> so the
calculations required was basically just a check if i am really in
orbi
L415[08:27:59] <Althego> t
L416[08:28:05] <JVFoxy> I don't know...
I've imposed some of my own limit, within reason... does anyone
else?
L417[08:28:18] <Althego> and then the
delta v, how much my velocity changed after injections
L418[08:29:32] <packbart> JVFoxy: I build
with "crew-accessible" restrictions in mind. no fuel
tanks between crew compartments
L419[08:30:12] <JVFoxy> when to start
injection burn usually about the time the mun pops up from kerbin's
horizon. More acceleration, later you start it.
L420[08:30:14] <packbart> I used to use a
mod that enforced it. forgot the name already
L421[08:30:29] <packbart> Connected Living
Space, that was it
L422[08:31:30] <JVFoxy> packbart I'm about
the same way as well... though most of my designs dons't have fuel
tanks in weird places as is
L423[08:32:56] <JVFoxy> My ship, Carter,
has a 'spine' with two mk1 crew parts, a structural section in the
middle that holds a docking port for access to the lander. Granted,
it all connects to the side of the command pod but I still added a
couple of aerodynamic cone parts to make it look like the section
is still accessable.
L424[08:33:14] <Althego> i always felt
there is something wrong with mass distribution. it is visible if
you look at planes. the wings end up in stupid places compared to
real airplanes to have stable flight
L425[08:34:16] <JVFoxy> Altehgo when it
comes to planes, think part of that problem is because the engine
nozzle in KSP is where the engine actually is. Fighter planes,
engines aren't always at the very back like that
L426[08:34:35] <Althego> can be
L427[08:35:00] <JVFoxy> or not as
'concentrated'. fighter engines are actually fairly long
L428[08:37:07] <JVFoxy> I've a few planes
with fan engines on the wings, but I had to build them out of 4
parts. Still, puts engine weight at the back a little bit.
L429[08:43:01] <JVFoxy> Althego I've had a
few planes where the wings were a bit further back. But not with
all of them. Depends on the design.
L430[08:44:06] *
JVFoxy throws on KSP with airplane+ mod.. forgot had a tiny little
heli, but no way to load it into the cargo plane
L431[09:12:22] <FltAdmVonSpiz> JVFoxy: I
modded a small box to have six of the largest engine plumes coming
out of it
L432[09:12:25] <FltAdmVonSpiz> one from
each face
L433[09:12:35] <FltAdmVonSpiz> if it was
in a low 40km orbit (old atmosphere for the win!) it would be
visible from the surface
L434[09:12:58] <FltAdmVonSpiz> so I would
wait till night at KSC
L435[09:13:04] <FltAdmVonSpiz> and launch
as it came over the horizon
L436[09:13:05] <JVFoxy> so.. flaming
box?
L437[09:13:07] <FltAdmVonSpiz> yeah
L438[09:13:25] <JVFoxy> alright..?
L439[09:13:31] <FltAdmVonSpiz> but yeah
those were the old days
L440[09:13:39] <FltAdmVonSpiz> where the
only way to find out if you had actually make orbit was to sit for
40 minutes of real time
L441[09:13:46] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I also went
to the sun
L442[09:13:47] <FltAdmVonSpiz> at
110m/s
L443[09:15:52] <JVFoxy> remember which
version it was? I've a copy of the first public release.. I don't
know if you could even get orbit in that one
L444[09:16:37] <hatrix> are Δv and burn
time linear? I've got 11,654m/s and 01h05m of burn time. Does that
mean I've got a burn time of 6 minutes for a Δv of 1,100m/s ?
L445[09:16:45] <JVFoxy> er... I've yet to
try it out. I been holding out looking at it because wanna do a
first time look at video
L446[09:17:05] <Althego> no, cant be
linear
L447[09:17:24] <Althego> because at the
end of the burn, you have almost no mass remaining, thus small burn
cause big acceleration
L449[09:19:22] <JVFoxy> fehh... stupid
wheels. trying out a cargo heli, spawns and starts bouncing around
hard
L450[09:19:30] <hatrix> but I'm not sure
the burn time will be low enough to circularize in time
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L453[09:33:30] <JVFoxy> found a curious
... formation just north of KSC
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L455[09:34:56] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I think it
was around 0.8 JVFoxy
L456[09:37:42] <JVFoxy> ah
L457[09:41:55] <hatrix> do you see
something wrong with this design? I got fuel cells, some fuel, 3
ion engines, a comm relay, batteries, probe, reaction wheel
https://i.imgur.com/o3trRLb.png
L458[09:43:30] <JVFoxy> ... found this
45km north along the short from KSC... not sure what to make of it.
Surprised I not noticed before:
https://imgur.com/a/8bNV9mP
L459[09:44:06] <hatrix> nice plane
L460[09:44:18] <Althego> found what
L461[09:44:19] <JVFoxy> Hatrix why didn't
you go with solar panels?
L462[09:44:20] <Althego> a plane,
L463[09:44:22] <Althego> ?
L464[09:44:30] <hatrix> I'm going to Jool,
solar panels don't work so well there
L465[09:44:42] <JVFoxy> Althego looks like
some sort of eroded square vocano formation
L466[09:45:12] <JVFoxy> like.. they went
and pulled the land up, decided, 'bah.. whatever' then shoved the
middle back down again
L467[09:45:56] <JVFoxy> Hatrix maybe not
but how long you think that fuel is going to last with how much ion
engines suck energy back?
L468[09:46:26] <hatrix> there should be
way too much fuel
L469[09:47:32] <hatrix> hmm maybe
not
L470[09:48:50] <hatrix> if running on fuel
cells alone, I'm getting 55 secs burn time
L471[09:49:12] <hatrix> I could add some
solar pannels to refill the batteries before burning
L472[09:49:36] <hatrix> I'll try thar in
sandbox to be safe
L473[09:50:59] <JVFoxy> ya its a bit of a
balancing act.. don't forget, probe core uses energy too
L474[09:51:17] <JVFoxy> though you could
put it into hibernation mode which uses a fraction but still
L475[09:52:27] <JVFoxy> Hatrix plane I
called Airflow.. sort of a spin off an old Jetstream from real
life
L476[09:53:11] <hatrix> does copying real
planes work well?
L477[09:56:10] <JVFoxy> use them for
inspiration..
L478[09:57:55] <JVFoxy> limitation due to
parts, mods. I like my stuff simple, but functional. Some people go
all out, part counts in the hundreds, depending.
L479[09:59:47] <hatrix> I like simple
stuff also
L480[10:04:58] <hatrix> where can I find
the probe control setting in the save file?
L481[10:05:09] <hatrix> I want to turn
that difficulty setting off
L482[10:05:48] <JVFoxy> bunch of screen
shots I took, missions either I did or was testing out. Some I
don't remember what the objectives were from back then..
L483[10:06:07] <JVFoxy> turn what off
now?
L484[10:06:34] <hatrix> not being able to
create maneuver nodes when not comm
L485[10:07:16] <JVFoxy> setting when you
start a new game. requires network connection for control
L486[10:07:44] <hatrix> yes I know
L487[10:07:50] <hatrix> I already have a
save file
L488[10:07:52] <hatrix> I want to edit
it
L489[10:07:53] <JVFoxy> also another
optional setting, requires connection for total control, (otherwise
you still have partial, such as throttle full on and off..
ect)
L490[10:09:45] <JVFoxy> eh.. editing save
file... not sure I'm qualified to answer that. Sorry
L491[10:11:23] <hatrix> I turned the
commnet off :)
L492[10:11:25] <hatrix> it works
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L495[10:16:36] <JVFoxy> ... uh whoops,
really tired. Ended up with two KSP games running on same
system
L496[10:17:05] <JVFoxy> oh good, was able
to close the other one down and not crash my whole system
L497[10:17:06] <hatrix> one barely runs on
my computer D:
L498[10:17:47] <JVFoxy> was in the plane
hanger on the other... guess I forgot to unload it before starting
up the newer version of the game to check on something
L499[10:17:58] <JVFoxy> eh.. I built this
machine just for KSP .... and second life
L500[10:18:25] <hatrix> oh, how long
ago?
L501[10:18:31] <hatrix> I'm thinking of
buying a new computer
L502[10:18:38] <hatrix> this one is from
2009
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L504[10:20:47] <JVFoxy> 2014 was when I
put machine together
L505[10:21:16] <hatrix> burn time: 15 mins
:D
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L507[10:28:29] <JVFoxy> anycase.. I best
be off.. good luck
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L515[12:16:06] <hatrix> so, it works,
could use more fuel cells
L516[12:17:06] <hatrix> 15 mins burns are
quite long though
L517[12:17:23] <Althego> depends on
where
L518[12:17:52] <Althego> doesnt really
matter in deep space, also with physics acceleration
L519[12:18:08] <hatrix> I can't timewarp
during acceleration
L520[12:18:14] <hatrix> is that an option
somewhere?
L521[12:18:21] <Althego> but you can
physics warp
L522[12:18:30] <Althego> and the ions have
low thrust so works fine
L523[12:18:33] <hatrix> mhmm
L524[12:18:37] <hatrix> is that a
different key?
L525[12:18:37] <Althego> up to 4x
though
L526[12:18:45] <Althego> with alt
L527[12:19:28] <hatrix> I use , and . to
warp
L528[12:19:33] <Althego> that is time
warp
L529[12:19:36] <Althego> physics
warp
L530[12:19:38] <hatrix> (my internet is so
bad I can't even type on IRC today)
L531[12:19:39] <Althego> with alt .,
L532[12:19:48] <Althego> that increases
forces
L533[12:19:59] <Althego> that causes
everything to play faster
L534[12:20:07] <Althego> but increased
risk of exploding
L535[12:20:10] <hatrix> hmm
L536[12:20:16] <hatrix> doesn't go to x2
even
L537[12:20:20] <hatrix> I'll try
again
L538[12:20:25] <Althego> it goes up to
4x
L539[12:20:33] <Althego> helps a lot with
long burns
L541[12:23:54] <hatrix> weird
L542[12:24:00] <hatrix> it says I can't go
past x1
L543[12:24:08] <Althego> you totally
can
L544[12:24:19] <Althego> just the first
time it pops up a window
L545[12:24:26] <hatrix> that may be
because of my graphics settings?
L546[12:24:28] <Althego> so that you know
thic caan cause explosions
L547[12:24:32] <Althego> no
L548[12:24:42] <Althego> i think you are
not trying physics but time warp
L549[12:24:49] <Althego> that doesnt work
while engines are on
L550[12:25:25] <hatrix> oh
L551[12:26:25] <Althego> so alt . or on
linux and mac (i guess) right shift .
L552[12:30:04] <Althego> anyway totally
works for nukes and ions, even for rovers to a lesser extent
L553[12:32:23] <hatrix> i'll try
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L559[13:09:10] <hatrix> it does indeed
work Althego
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L562[13:43:29] <hatrix> ok, control point
was on a strut, I was burning way off :)
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L565[13:45:16] <Althego> hehehe
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L571[15:20:11] <Guest23622> Anyone know of
a mod that has a decouple with built it sepratrons??
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L581[16:29:11] <darsie> :)
L582[16:29:51] <darsie> Just order 10,000
from China.
L583[16:29:56] <darsie> Or ask your local
hackerspace.
L584[16:30:30] <darsie> Making a single
LCD is probably tough.
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L586[16:30:56] <darsie> And a matrix LCD
is bulky.
L587[16:38:33] <JVFoxy> .... wont' mention
jumbo trons..
L588[16:39:10] <JVFoxy> or am I thinking
LED matrix?
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L597[18:01:38] <Guest96751> Anyone
on?
L598[18:02:41] <lordcirth> Guest96751,
yes?
L599[18:03:39] <Guest96751> Hey ever seen
a mod that has sepratrons built into the decouplers?
L600[18:04:58] <FLHerne> Why not just add
seperatrons?
L601[18:05:31] <Guest96751> I know, I had
the mod but started over with a new installation, can't remember
what it was...
L602[18:06:30] <JVFoxy> was one part that
was sorta similar but I think it wasn't setup right. part kept
blowing up half way through the rocket burn
L603[18:07:58] <Guest96751> This mod came
with a few craft files - I was surprised when i decouipled..
L604[18:10:43] <JVFoxy> granted, I hadn't
looked those sorts of things for a while
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L611[18:38:59] <Lewie> Hey y'all what's
going down?
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L613[18:46:56] <UmbralRaptop> Social
distancing mainly
L614[18:55:09] *
JVFoxy finds weird spot in mouse roller while playing KSP.. pulls
mouse a part, finds a couple of contacts bent out of shape. fixes,
uses KSP again to test scrolling with roller wheel and everything
seems ok now. "ugh... now hopefully that jumping around got
fixee"
L615[18:56:34] <JVFoxy> other news.. saved
a computer part from getting dumped into the trash yet again
L616[18:57:38] <raptop> Also, there's that
I've been mostly playing Morrowind lately >_>
L617[18:58:32] <JVFoxy> raptop heh.. was
doing that a few months ago myself... xbox. Though more just trying
a few things out at the start
L618[18:59:12] <raptop> I hadn't realized
how silly the armor "balance" is
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L620[19:01:11] <JVFoxy> oh?
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L623[19:04:30] <raptop> You could probably
go with light armor all the way through. Maybe mess around with
ebony or daedric in the very late game if you have items to boost
your strength
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L625[19:05:16] <JVFoxy> I usually went
medium but ugh... finding some early on is a bit of a
struggle.
L626[19:05:37] <raptop> You can totally
steal bonemold from parts of Ald'rune
L627[19:05:42] <raptop> ...or however it's
spelled
L628[19:06:00] <raptop> And yeah, once you
have money, there are dreugar and adamantium pieces (mods
permitting)
L629[19:06:45] <raptop> OTOH, chitin is
decent, glass is better than all but a few pieces of medium (and
those are in official mods/expansions)
L630[19:07:20] <JVFoxy> heh... I made
something of a 'brute' one version, lot of strength, high skill on
the long blade. Couple of hits knocked others down pretty fast. I
was like. 'whoa.. usually I have hard time fighting with my other
setups'
L631[19:07:25] <raptop> And if you have
Tribunal installed, you can get dark brotherhood (which protects
orcish, but weighs almost nothing) almost by accident
L632[19:07:35] <raptop> heh
L633[19:07:36] <JVFoxy> <- heh xbox..
mods?
L634[19:07:44] <raptop> bah
L635[19:08:03] <raptop> wait, this would
have been on the origional xbox. That's basically a Pentium III
running a weird version of Windows, right?
L636[19:08:28] <JVFoxy> I've had the game
since early days. I thought I'd look at it again, used to have a
hard time getting into it back then. Easier now with a lot of game
wiki sites
L637[19:09:15] <JVFoxy> I don't know... ha
done of the clear green xbox editions, think it was one of the last
editions to come out. The more recent playing around was on the 360
with original disk
L638[19:09:26] <raptop> hm
L639[19:09:52] <JVFoxy> was staying at a
friends avoiding drama at home for a few months
L640[19:10:09] <raptop> But at least on
PC, there's some official mods (which add things like area effect
arrows, dragonflies to the bitter coast, fill in some gaps in armor
sets...)
L641[19:10:25] <raptop> Also, you can just
add mp3s to the folder for additional music :D
L642[19:10:40] <raptop> ow
L643[19:10:54] <JVFoxy> mod to at least
make use of the negative affect potions other than for xp
bulid?
L644[19:11:35] <raptop> I wouldn't be
surprised if someone has done that, but I don't know of one
L645[19:12:05] <raptop> Ah, bungler's
bane. How I don't enjoy you
L646[19:12:24] *
raptop assumes that there's a mod where you can convert moon sugar
into skooma
L647[19:12:26] <JVFoxy> would be nice... I
know in either oblivion or skyrim they did let you make use of them
on weapons
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engine is giving crap for DV. Then realizes setting was put to
vacuum.. doh
L651[19:14:52] <JVFoxy> ah there we go...
285dv, turn setting to vacuum, DV now shows 1047
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L653[19:16:40] <raptop> oops
L654[19:18:35] <JVFoxy> had a design up
earlier but had to exit the game to deal with fixing the mouse.
wheel was acting up. Turns out some contacts inside the sensor was
bent. Fixed
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L656[19:36:03] <Guest04329> hi
L657[19:36:04] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest04329
L658[19:36:12] <Guest04329> what's
up?
L659[19:36:50] <UmbralRaptop> +∇U,
usually
L660[19:36:57] <JVFoxy> sun?
L661[19:36:58] <Guest04329> nice
L662[19:37:15] <UmbralRaptop> The sun's
down here
L663[19:37:36] <Guest04329> nice man
L664[19:38:35] <Guest04329> what did you
guys do in ksp today?
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L666[19:39:57] <UmbralRaptop> …
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L668[20:00:24] <UmbralRaptop> Oh, right.
Tonight is Yuri's Night
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L680[23:37:47] <X> @UmbralRaptop: can we
talk about KSP2 yet?
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