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L7[01:18:35] <Althego> hehe i didnt know such a signal existed
L8[01:18:48] <Althego> google says it cant even happen on x86
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L30[03:42:50] <hatrix> I took this the other night with a shitty handheld dlsr and lens https://i.imgur.com/WPBJjkF.jpg
L31[03:43:07] <hatrix> I'm impressed by the quality, I thought it'd only be blurry
L32[03:43:18] <Rolf> not bad
L33[03:43:26] <Rolf> 3/4 or 1/2 is great for details
L34[03:44:56] <hatrix> this was 2 days ago I think, the moon was quite orange
L35[03:45:18] <hatrix> I'll try the next 3/4 :)
L36[03:45:34] <Rolf> 2/3 I think too
L37[03:45:57] <Rolf> those gives you different type of detail which is cool
L38[03:46:24] <hatrix> the only ones you can see are on the side on mine yep :/
L39[03:46:39] <hatrix> I forgot my tripod at work though
L40[03:46:45] <hatrix> and it's in lockdown until the end of april
L41[03:48:08] <Rolf> doh
L42[03:48:41] <Rolf> your hands can be oretty steady I think, if you use something fixed and both your arms is nicely secure
L43[03:48:58] <Rolf> you just need bunch of references for your brain to hold hands in spot
L44[03:49:15] <hatrix> I shot at 1/400 for this one
L45[03:49:19] <hatrix> just had to bump the iso a bit
L46[03:49:59] <hatrix> I'd like to buy a 150-600 though
L47[03:50:27] <taniwha> new mod: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/193054-19-tinu-there-is-no-up-001/
L48[03:51:34] <JVFoxy> I've a field scope sorta thing. I've been wanting to get an adaptor so I can mount my digital camera to it for moon and shots of other planets
L49[03:52:43] <taniwha> I've got a 300mm micro-4/3 lens + 2x teleconverter
L50[03:52:52] <hatrix> if you've got a good imagination you can see saturn here https://i.imgur.com/DFb0Vt4.jpg
L51[03:52:53] <taniwha> I can get Saturn's rings
L52[03:53:16] <Rolf> i live at astromy hell so i dont get to see much. too bad
L53[03:53:29] <hatrix> aps-c or similar taniwha ?
L54[03:53:35] <Rolf> i still want to drive to nearest magnate 1 (3 hour drive or so)
L55[03:53:43] <Rolf> but problem is will it be clear? lol
L56[03:53:49] <JVFoxy> I got the moon once.. somewhat decent. Though it was through trial and error. I pointed at a street lamp to trick the camera. Then pointed at the moon while it was in 'preset' mode
L57[03:53:49] <taniwha> micro-4/3 17.5mm sensor
L58[03:53:50] <hatrix> what's magnate 1 ?
L59[03:54:00] <Rolf> mangled spelling. hold on a second
L60[03:54:01] <taniwha> (Olympus OMD E1mII)
L61[03:54:08] <hatrix> ah, unusual
L62[03:54:39] <taniwha> so that lends combo gives me 1200mm at 35mm equivalent
L63[03:54:43] <hatrix> oh so you've got a x2 crop factor
L64[03:54:46] <taniwha> lens combo
L65[03:54:50] <taniwha> yeah
L66[03:54:54] <Rolf> https://i.redd.it/lxy4e3azk3121.jpg
L67[03:54:59] <Rolf> hatrix: check this out
L68[03:55:00] <hatrix> that's incredible
L69[03:55:08] <Rolf> im at 9 :(
L70[03:55:14] <hatrix> oops
L71[03:55:25] <hatrix> I've got something between 3 and 5
L72[03:55:28] <taniwha> just trying to find my photos
L73[03:55:41] <taniwha> (you know, pics or it didn't happen ;)
L74[03:56:03] <Rolf> noooo
L75[03:56:09] <Rolf> dark sky finder is broken!!
L76[03:56:14] <Rolf> http://www.jshine.net/astronomy/dark_sky/
L77[03:57:11] <hatrix> what was it supposed to do?
L78[03:57:13] <Rolf> host server crash apparently
L79[03:57:25] <Rolf> hat its like google map but it shows levels of darkness
L80[03:57:35] <Rolf> same scale as image you saw
L81[03:58:03] <taniwha> http://taniwha.org/~bill/saturn.png
L82[03:58:35] <taniwha> not sure if I took that by hand or with a tripod
L83[03:58:42] <taniwha> very short exposure, though
L84[03:58:54] <JVFoxy> suburban area here.. though eh.. hard to tell darkness of sky here
L85[03:59:00] <taniwha> http://taniwha.org/~bill/PA310709.JPG
L86[03:59:05] * hatrix squints
L87[03:59:10] <taniwha> http://taniwha.org/~bill/P7300100.JPG
L88[03:59:20] <taniwha> http://taniwha.org/~bill/PB240018.JPG
L89[03:59:20] <hatrix> that's a nice moon though
L90[03:59:35] <taniwha> thanks
L91[04:00:12] <JVFoxy> during a drive south of Spokane though.. super rual area. I had to stop, get out cuz of so much in the sky
L92[04:00:34] <JVFoxy> Taniwha: dang!
L93[04:00:49] <hatrix> do any of you have any good resources for learning to spot things in the sky?
L94[04:00:50] <Rolf> just remembered fstops, when I wa talking about 3/4 so on, I was talking about moon phases not fstops in case I wasnt clear :D
L95[04:00:53] <hatrix> other than looking at maps
L96[04:00:54] <taniwha> getting that nebula was fun: I could not see it
L97[04:01:18] <Rolf> not me unfortunately no way to learn this stuff in 9 brightness heh
L98[04:01:37] <taniwha> I spotted it in my 8-mm shot, and used orion's belt to navigate with my "600"mm
L99[04:01:42] <JVFoxy> hatrix: like a virtual sky sort of thing?
L100[04:02:04] <hatrix> nice nebalu indeed
L101[04:02:26] <Rolf> theres app for it also
L102[04:02:34] <Rolf> it uses magnet and gps
L103[04:02:35] <hatrix> JVFoxy: idk, something like a tuto along the lines of "try to look for this star, then you'll be able to recognise this one next to it easily…"
L104[04:02:51] <hatrix> I don't like maps, too much stuff on them
L105[04:02:58] <Rolf> so youre "seeing" names etc though phone to approxately correct position
L106[04:03:05] <hatrix> yep, I hate those
L107[04:03:15] <Rolf> no filtering options?
L108[04:03:27] <hatrix> by brightness? not sure
L109[04:03:55] <JVFoxy> hatrix: not sure... mostly I know where Orion is since its pretty easy to spot..
L110[04:04:05] <Rolf> no, features like you search for name and it shows only that
L111[04:04:22] <hatrix> well, I can only spot the ursa major :p
L112[04:05:10] <JVFoxy> I don't recall the exact website I used to look at long time ago, you could try here. Just something from quick search: https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/night/
L113[04:05:43] <Rolf> orion very easy
L114[04:05:45] <JVFoxy> I have one of the older Redshift CDs from late 90's-early 2000s or so.. hadn't used it in a wihle though.
L115[04:06:06] <Rolf> probably not when theres million stars but here with 100s of stars its very easy to spot
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L117[04:07:03] <JVFoxy> https://stellarium-web.org/
L118[04:07:16] <JVFoxy> looks like also a phone ap as well
L119[04:08:07] <hatrix> thanks JVFoxy :)
L120[04:08:38] <JVFoxy> I just searched 'earth sky tonight' and 'realtime nightsky', just some examples
L121[04:09:28] <JVFoxy> hatrix: its cool... been a bit of a dull night. Have problems sleeping it seems
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L123[04:09:58] <hatrix> me too, for whatever reason
L124[04:10:34] <JVFoxy> was crashing pretty hard after dinner last night, only got a few hours sleep... been going on since this whole pandemic thing started
L125[04:10:57] <JVFoxy> chances are... 2am now.. probably end up crashing hard again around 6-7am
L126[04:11:02] <hatrix> what do you mean by crashing?
L127[04:11:08] <hatrix> I don't speak canadian
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L130[04:14:39] <JVFoxy> oh... ending up so badly tired, just end up falling asleep moment you lay down sort of thing
L131[04:15:17] <hatrix> what time is it where you live right now?
L132[04:15:21] <hatrix> it's 11:16am here
L133[04:18:54] <JVFoxy> 0218
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L135[04:26:42] <hatrix> could have used 50 more m/s… https://i.imgur.com/9mX8Smr.png
L136[04:30:53] <hatrix> well, by the power of quicksaves I call that a success https://i.imgur.com/BFAXW1p.png
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L138[04:54:26] <hatrix> report https://imgur.com/a/ne6Sr3s
L139[04:55:46] <Althego> i forgot it was friday yesterday. there was a really good gtoger video too
L140[04:56:03] <Althego> next time find the vallhenge
L141[04:56:40] <hatrix> that's for the next manned mission :)
L142[04:56:57] <hatrix> I'd like to have some refuel opportunity in the Jool system also
L143[04:57:09] <hatrix> it's quite far from everything and takes ages to go there
L144[04:58:16] <hatrix> I'm thinking about an orbital station around Jool and a miner/refiller on Pol
L145[04:58:57] <hatrix> and latern on a craft that would be able to land on nearly all moons
L146[05:08:33] <JVFoxy> hatrix: what did you do to figure out your launch windows?
L147[05:10:40] <hatrix> kerbal alarm clock
L148[05:10:48] <hatrix> but it's kinda weird
L149[05:10:57] <hatrix> I got an encounter way too early
L150[05:11:17] <hatrix> I don't know how it calculates those things
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L152[05:11:31] <Althego> i usually use this http://alexmoon.github.io/ksp/
L153[05:12:51] <hatrix> easier to use than the one with angles
L154[05:13:19] <Althego> that is a rudimentary calculation
L155[05:13:27] <hatrix> what's the transfer type though?
L156[05:13:30] <Althego> this is based on precise orbital calulcation
L157[05:13:37] <Althego> probably similar to kac
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L159[05:25:41] <JVFoxy> I think I tried alarm clock.. which was the one that had a kind of color graph based on how much DV you need to spend to get between points as well as the window?
L160[05:26:51] <JVFoxy> oh wait... maybe it was that one Althego..
L161[05:27:14] <hatrix> there's a transfer window option where you select your departure body and where you want to go, from there it just creates an alarm when you need to go
L162[05:27:52] <hatrix> but I don't know how accurate this window is, do I need to go exactly when it tells me to? Does it take into account the time needed to get into orbit, execute the maneuvers etc?
L163[05:27:58] <hatrix> or is it negligeable?
L164[05:28:52] <Althego> for interplanetary distances few hours dont matter
L165[05:28:57] <JVFoxy> think its a bit more complicated than that
L166[05:29:02] <Althego> the planets move slowly
L167[05:29:14] <hatrix> ok that's what I thought
L168[05:29:28] <JVFoxy> think alarm clock just gives you a rough idea of when the best time to go is.. you still need to plot out your burn and vector
L169[05:30:16] <hatrix> yes, and for burns of ~5 minutes it gets kinda hard
L170[05:30:29] <hatrix> the maneuver node wants me to dive into the atmosphere at the beginning
L171[05:30:42] <Althego> you can do that
L172[05:30:50] <Althego> or have a bit higher orbits
L173[05:31:04] <Althego> but in general from kerbin you dont van really long injections
L174[05:31:24] <JVFoxy> lol... ion engines are a pain
L175[05:31:32] <Althego> not necessarlily ions
L176[05:31:32] <packbart> TriggerAu has another mod that shows the colorful transfer window plot. forgot the name. https://github.com/TriggerAu/TransferWindowPlanner
L177[05:31:38] <Althego> i had longer burns with single nuke setups
L178[05:31:45] <packbart> never really used it, though
L179[05:31:55] <JVFoxy> granted as a challenge to myself, I tried to see if I could land on mun and minmus on just ion engines alone
L180[05:32:01] <Althego> the injection in that case not very efficient because you cant burn in parallel to the orbit
L181[05:32:03] <hatrix> I'm using nuclear engines
L182[05:32:24] <hatrix> how did that work out JVFoxy?
L183[05:32:59] <JVFoxy> well.. granted it was early version of KSP back in the day... I managed. I have pics of them landed. I have to dig them up though
L184[05:33:05] <packbart> "Porkchop plot". weird name
L185[05:33:26] <Althego> not weirder than chobham armor :)
L186[05:33:48] <Althego> (yes that totally exists)
L187[05:33:59] <JVFoxy> packbart was a breaker panel in the X-29 called the porkchop panel just cuz of the shape
L188[05:34:16] <packbart> anyway, that plot will also roughly show how "wide" the acceptable transfer window is
L189[05:34:35] <JVFoxy> switches for the flyby wire system to go from backup or disabling
L190[05:43:46] <JVFoxy> ah found the pics...
L191[05:45:24] <JVFoxy> was back during KSP V0.25.0, early 64bit release.. https://imgur.com/a/UWDGye4
L192[05:46:32] <JVFoxy> ion engines got rearranged but the booster to get it to orbit was about the same...
L193[05:47:29] <JVFoxy> lol.. first version on the pad I sort over did it a little with the tanks, or I might have been testing something
L194[05:50:29] <hatrix> ahah, landing with solar panels?
L195[05:55:50] <JVFoxy> ya.. it just sorta happened that way..
L196[05:56:05] <JVFoxy> way back in earlier edition of the game, had to use wings as landing legs or something.
L197[05:56:24] <Althego> there were no landing gears or legs
L198[05:56:35] <Althego> i started in 0.24 so i never experienced that
L199[05:58:42] <JVFoxy> friend got it during 0.18, but was on his laptop and a bit slow. He never picked up on it, said it was too complicated. It was through him I sorta found out about the game. I ended up getting it during 0.23, but that was updated to 0.24 at one point. I've ended up saving each new version separate since.
L200[06:01:19] <JVFoxy> when I tried mods on a version of the game, even that got put into its own folder. I didn't always mod KSP. There was also times when they were updating the game pretty quickly as well
L201[06:02:01] <JVFoxy> When they went to the newer version of Unity engine, for a bit we had pretty skiddy wheels, drifting rovers
L202[06:02:01] <Althego> the question is, will we get 1.10?
L203[06:02:51] <Althego> 2 is delayed so there is time for it
L204[06:02:52] <JVFoxy> don't know... any thoughts what they might do? more bug fixes..?
L205[06:03:24] <Althego> are all the planets remodelled?
L206[06:03:27] <Althego> i think not
L207[06:03:43] <JVFoxy> those courage and stupidity stat bars never got used if I recall?
L208[06:03:59] <Althego> they influence faces the kerbals make :)
L209[06:04:08] <Althego> some mods use them
L210[06:04:14] <JVFoxy> ah..
L211[06:05:15] <JVFoxy> Althego: do you use the Mk1-3 pod and the built in RCS on a regular basis?
L212[06:05:34] <Althego> not really
L213[06:05:49] <JVFoxy> ok so you haven't had issues with it just stop working then huh?
L214[06:05:55] <Althego> hehe, no
L215[06:06:00] <JVFoxy> or chance to really notice...
L216[06:07:06] <JVFoxy> wondering if I did something, or if it was a bug. I had a ship, undocked lander to the mun. Came back, redocked, found out the RCS just wasn't there, but the separate blocks on the aft were still working
L217[06:08:16] <JVFoxy> I guess I could just do further testing. If it is a problem, just add a set of linear ports on the nose end..
L218[06:08:24] <packbart> I guess I'm lucky I started with 1.4 or thereabouts ;)
L219[06:08:58] <JVFoxy> have to ask, why do you say 'lucky'?
L220[06:09:31] <darsie> When will the new demo come out?
L221[06:09:31] <packbart> I didn't have to go through KSPs earlier bugs and I also cannot complain about things that went missing from the game ;)
L222[06:09:56] <Althego> what is missing?
L223[06:10:15] <Althego> the mysterious you hit the launchpad in orbit bug
L224[06:10:22] <Althego> i hated that so much
L225[06:10:38] <packbart> I don't remember ;) But I read some "KSP was so much better in ye olde tymes" threads on the forum
L226[06:10:39] <Althego> i guess they never found out what causes it, just soem random change fixed it
L227[06:10:46] <JVFoxy> oh more ouch than the one I kept getting: hit VAB while landing spaceplane on runway, but still 3km out
L228[06:10:56] <JVFoxy> was always wings
L229[06:10:57] <Althego> yes, similar
L230[06:11:02] <Althego> also happened during landing
L231[06:11:07] <Althego> but for me it was always the launchpad
L232[06:11:23] <Althego> wing surfaces disintegrated during landing approach
L233[06:11:52] <JVFoxy> packbart: it wasn't all bad though. The fun we had with faster than orbital speed planes at the edge of space because... engines didn't know when to quit
L234[06:13:18] <JVFoxy> not heat damage
L235[06:13:40] <Althego> hehe yes, you could relatively easily make ssto missions to duna
L236[06:13:40] <JVFoxy> although I guess you could turn that off still if you wanna relive to those days again in a limited sense
L237[06:13:52] <Althego> since then it became qute hard
L238[06:14:21] <Althego> lol youtube recommended this just now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BmhHyyzh9o
L239[06:14:21] <kmath> YouTube - Kantonspolizei Bern Star Wars Weihnachtsspot (Kantonspolizei büsst Stormtrooper auf dem Bundesplatz)
L240[06:15:57] <JVFoxy> if anything, wish when they updated parts, they'd kept the older ones as well.
L241[06:16:16] <Althego> they could have kept them in the look switching menu
L242[06:16:23] <Althego> at least in the newest iteratin
L243[06:16:37] <JVFoxy> the look switching menu?
L244[06:16:48] <Althego> many parts have a way to change how they look
L245[06:16:54] <Althego> just texture though
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L247[06:16:59] <JVFoxy> oh the multi skin picker
L248[06:17:49] <JVFoxy> engines have a few different looks through that system as well
L249[06:18:18] <JVFoxy> although, not sure it can support complete model swap. Some of the parts got pretty heavy overhauls
L250[06:19:45] <JVFoxy> the three crew command pod still in the game but its hidden. Only if you port over a craft file from a previous game with it in there. Though, I'm not sure if that is still a thing in the more recent versions
L251[06:20:14] <Althego> when they did these changes for at least one version they kept the old ones in the game
L252[06:20:19] <JVFoxy> sorry, the old three crew, the one without RCS, was heavier, different door.
L253[06:20:29] <Althego> i hated that
L254[06:20:33] <Althego> because it was too heavy
L255[06:21:02] <Althego> the roll rcs thing on it, would be actually useful if you could move the com off center
L256[06:21:55] <JVFoxy> they shaved the weight in half from 3t right?
L257[06:22:05] <Althego> something like that
L258[06:22:44] <JVFoxy> weight wasn't too big an issue for me. If anything, it kept the CoM higher up on a rocket
L259[06:24:19] <JVFoxy> Maybe some day a mod, makes the older one the first you unlocked. Then, you can have it upgraded or something
L260[06:24:42] <Althego> there used to be mods like that
L261[06:24:50] <Althego> for the previous gen models
L262[06:24:58] <Althego> they added the old ones again
L263[06:25:13] <JVFoxy> I remember a legacy parts pack but that was about it.
L264[06:26:35] <JVFoxy> I had some other mods during an earlier version of KSP, FASA, Realfuels, some other stuff to do with engines, parts. In career, when you unlocked stuff like say an engine, you can spend a little more to upgrade it to another tier which gave slightly better stats
L265[06:26:53] <Althego> that sounds nice
L266[06:28:27] <JVFoxy> hmm.. maybe it was just FASA with raster prop....
L267[06:30:14] <JVFoxy> ooooor.. this crazy multi mod during 0.90... friend said they were having a hard time with getting SSTO to work. I offered to help. Turns out they had ton of mods with it... ugh anyways
L268[06:31:45] <JVFoxy> speaking of.. I should maybe poke at Kerbinside again.. I miss having places to just fly to.. or build up my own.. or some place different to fly from
L269[06:32:07] <Althego> there are a few places
L270[06:32:11] <Althego> with dlc though
L271[06:34:22] <JVFoxy> ya been killing me I didn't make it in early enough for the free dlc but my friend did
L272[06:34:38] <Althego> i wasnt early enough either
L273[06:34:41] <JVFoxy> yet he hasn't played since 0.18 because its too complicated fo rhim
L274[06:34:51] <Althego> kind of unfair, 0.24 looks early for me
L275[06:35:00] <Althego> but i simply didnt know of the game before that
L276[06:35:03] <JVFoxy> .23 for me
L277[06:35:22] <JVFoxy> and I knew.. I just couldn't get assed to put my machine together fast enough or something
L278[06:35:55] <JVFoxy> the DLC with other locations is nice but I've played with kerbinside, built up a few other places
L279[06:38:43] <JVFoxy> was going to say, you all probably hit every planet by now. I've been stuck playing with plane designs and stuff. I probably only kissed Jool twice but didn't really do much else.
L280[06:41:14] * JVFoxy pokes web, "wait.. Kerbinside got remastered? ooooooh..."
L281[06:41:20] <Althego> still havent gone into the tylo cave
L282[06:44:16] <JVFoxy> sigh... https://i.pinimg.com/236x/69/37/1a/69371afe0f0b05534bb7916f5b253bbc.jpg
L283[06:44:36] <Althego> they must live underground
L284[06:44:51] <Althego> have you noticed how many asteroids hit the planet?
L285[06:45:39] <JVFoxy> to be honest..? Not really
L286[06:45:56] <JVFoxy> don't know about hitting, but I have seen people parachute some of them down
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L288[06:54:35] <packbart> I've never been to any other planet the long way. I used "set orbit" to practice landing on some of them, though
L289[06:54:59] <Althego> why did you rpactice if you didnt want to go there? :)
L290[06:55:39] <packbart> well, I usually have so much else going on, I can't afford warping time a few years ahead ;)
L291[06:58:01] <packbart> hmm. I have a spare laptop with a broken display. I always wanted to build some automated KSP sandbox. maybe this time :)
L292[06:58:16] <Althego> automated?
L293[06:58:23] <packbart> the idea is to have several instances of KSP connected to a multiplayer server, executing scripted missions
L294[06:58:36] <JVFoxy> multiplayer ksp huh?
L295[06:58:41] <packbart> so I can just relax and watch shuttles go by ;)
L296[06:58:47] <Althego> hehe
L297[06:59:19] <JVFoxy> realtime space station view...
L298[06:59:19] <packbart> JVFoxy: there are two Multiplayer mods for KSP and LUA-script- and RPC-mods
L299[07:00:00] <packbart> one time, I had a python script to send up a mining drone from Minmus to the fuel station, unload, refuel and then return to its mining spot
L300[07:00:08] <packbart> (mostly just calling MechJeb routines ;)
L301[07:00:41] <JVFoxy> think I'm mostly familiar with DMP for KSP from a while back
L302[07:01:03] <JVFoxy> though its only through people using it and posting on youtube
L303[07:02:36] <JVFoxy> script.. so that like the stuff tapegaming was using for their fighter jet showdown series?
L304[07:03:54] <JVFoxy> speaking of tape.. I see hasn't posted in over a year now. :(
L305[07:04:38] <packbart> possibly. I know three variants. kOS (in-game but horrible, artifically difficult language, imo), kRPC (external scripts interfacing via RPC calls, has some latency) and RedOnion (in-game, Lua)
L306[07:05:29] <JVFoxy> ah.. I'm not sure what they used, some sorta 'ai' thing along with bdarmory so they could have 6 plans flying around trying to shoot each other down
L307[07:05:44] <JVFoxy> all ran in one game
L308[07:05:45] <packbart> ah, that's probably yet another mod
L309[07:06:34] <packbart> there are some to control whole squadrons of vessels at once
L310[07:06:43] <JVFoxy> ya...
L311[07:07:00] <JVFoxy> he could also switch to one and take control if wanted
L312[07:07:58] <packbart> nah, I'd just like to script the missions I never felt flying myself. that will require enough cheating and save/restore to debug, anyway
L313[07:08:04] * JVFoxy fires up 0.90 cuz of a nagging feeling to know something. Ugh as it uses secondary screen on system. >.>
L314[07:08:27] <JVFoxy> oh so routine missions
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L316[07:09:04] <packbart> well, somebody needs to keep shuttling tourists ;)
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L318[07:11:07] <JVFoxy> how many you flying at a time?
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L321[07:14:55] <Althego> still cant watch this without a huge grin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1qWEzBvLlw
L322[07:14:55] <kmath> YouTube - Frontier: Elite 2 Intro - The Dangerous Remake (2016 Uncle Art Orchestral Version)
L323[07:23:26] <Althego> little bit of voldemort https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mao3OzWw9I
L324[07:23:26] <kmath> YouTube - MASH and the Coronavirus
L325[07:26:25] * JVFoxy checking out a site on old version of the game. Finds it in darkness. Goes to warp things ahead into daylight. Tries to stop warp, instead finger slips, max warp, ends up 8 days ahead.
L326[07:26:59] <JVFoxy> looking through some old stuff... Jylland Aerospace Launch site and runway. Placed on a spit of land on the other major landmass, across the water east of KSC.. idea was to be an alternative landing site for spaceplanes...
L327[07:27:31] <JVFoxy> picked spit of land cuz... was sorta going for a bit of a 'Denmark' sort of theme...
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L329[07:35:58] <JVFoxy> Packbart: how many tourists are you shuttling at a time?
L330[07:37:43] <packbart> my biggest one shuttles about 9 per trip to Minmus and back. I don't really like flying tourist tours, that's why I might try to automate them :)
L331[07:41:38] <JVFoxy> Ooof.. I launched 10 tourists+1 pilot into orbit with a ship
L332[07:42:28] <JVFoxy> most wanted an orbit, a couple wanted the trip to the mun...
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L334[07:43:18] <packbart> it became much easier once I removed the Kerbalism mod :)
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L336[07:43:33] <packbart> otherwise those tours need a lot of energy and supplies
L337[07:44:10] <JVFoxy> ah sort of lifesupport
L338[07:44:46] <packbart> yeah, plus reliability and science takes time
L339[07:44:58] <JVFoxy> ya.. my 'cruise ship' would have had problems if I went lifesupport route with 11 people on board
L340[07:47:24] <JVFoxy> I've wondered about various configurations with my other ship if I went and used taclifesupport. Carter could carry up to 7, but I don't want that many usually. Leave a little extra room... just in case.
L341[07:48:09] <JVFoxy> to be honest though, I never got around to picking up that kerbal stranded on the mun yet. Hope was to make a video out of it but... motivation, other things
L342[07:48:22] <packbart> radiation, van-Kerman-belts and coronal mass ejections, too. Kerbalism is quite feature-rich if you like to make Kerbals suffer ;)
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L344[07:48:38] <Althego> hehe, van kerman belts
L345[07:52:09] <JVFoxy> I might be the weird one out here, not too fond of making things suffer
L346[07:53:27] <packbart> I don't either. But there are of course some who say KSP is too easy and "life support shouldhavebeenstock!!"
L347[07:53:58] <Althego> it is easy after a few months of playing
L348[07:53:59] <packbart> Kerbalism ups the challenge
L349[07:54:53] <JVFoxy> I kind of like that you can choose which system to go with instead. Though, there are some out there that might find the game pretty complicated as is already
L350[07:55:15] <JVFoxy> choose your own challenges...
L351[07:57:32] <FltAdmVonSpiz> this just makes me feel rubbish ebcause I have a hard time doing anything like taht
L352[07:57:51] <FltAdmVonSpiz> like I modded in a gas core nuclear rocket and still struggle
L353[07:59:16] <packbart> yeah, sometimes I despair, too. the Youtubers make it look so easy to build viable spacecraft ;)
L354[07:59:23] <Althego> hehe
L355[07:59:29] <JVFoxy> I tried doing a little mod myself, mostly adding a few resources to a couple of empty structrual parts.
L356[07:59:51] <JVFoxy> packbart massive viable ships or?
L357[08:00:46] <packbart> sometimes even a little thing that arrives in orbit with enough dV left
L358[08:01:37] <packbart> ok, I don't like to use nuke engines for irrational reasons. so I'm limiting myself already
L359[08:02:15] <JVFoxy> I guess nukes are ok.. maybe further along in the career and for super long missions. I kind of try to avoid using rapier engines
L360[08:03:13] <Althego> the real ones are never going to make it
L361[08:03:27] <Althego> currently spacex seems to be ahead of everything in reusability without special jets
L362[08:05:18] <JVFoxy> my Dynafly ssto can make orbit, but its max payload is 1t or about. Then again, I am using the shuttle command pod which is heavy in itself. But hey... 4 crew to orbit with that alone. (6 if I use a mod that adds to more on a 'lower deck')
L363[08:05:51] <JVFoxy> I don't use rapier... just the hypersonic jets and a couple of swivles
L364[08:09:28] <packbart> I'm chatting here all the time and haven't fired up KSP in days, let alone do anything with it. I think I'll try and finish the construcion base design this weekend
L365[08:09:46] <packbart> been too busy driving simulated trucks around and standing at multiplayer fishing ponds
L366[08:11:29] <JVFoxy> truck sim and.. wait.. fishing pods?
L367[08:12:00] <packbart> fishing simulator ;) MMOF is a thing now
L368[08:12:11] <Althego> lol
L369[08:14:53] <JVFoxy> .. sorry MMOF?
L370[08:15:01] <JVFoxy> multi.. something online fishing?
L371[08:15:15] <JVFoxy> oh.. massive multiplayer online fishing
L372[08:15:47] <packbart> the first m stands for "massive". but that's not quite true in this case. usually only a handful of other players at the same pond
L373[08:16:20] <JVFoxy> does it get crazy there? I seem to recall some ... 'stuff' when it comes to truck sims, even massive multiplayer flight sim networks.
L374[08:16:27] <packbart> ( https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/foo.jpg )
L375[08:17:07] <JVFoxy> I seem to recall a few people I watched on youtube doing something like the fishing sim.. or may have been the hunting one
L376[08:17:11] <packbart> oh yeah, I have heard of the really crazy flight sims. People sitting at home directing "air traffic" of other people sitting at home flying planes around
L377[08:17:16] <packbart> that is massive :)
L378[08:17:53] <JVFoxy> well... that is when things are going as it should be. There'd been some... craziness going on at times too, troll-pilots
L379[08:18:22] <JVFoxy> usually someone flying airforce one, or some supersonic jet, like concorde or F-14s..
L380[08:18:27] <Althego> who would want to be an atc for fun? it is hard work
L381[08:18:34] <packbart> ah. I have been "yelled" at via chat that I'm blocking someone's view of his float. but that's about as crazy as it gets
L382[08:18:52] <Althego> in reality it is less probable that you can do that job than to be a mensa member
L383[08:19:13] <JVFoxy> Althego if I recall... people don't 'just become ATC' on a whim... there's a training course even for online.
L384[08:19:46] <Althego> even i there is a training course, something like 95% of people are just unable to do it
L385[08:20:06] <JVFoxy> then again.. look at people driving virtual trucks, planes... even a full on farming sim
L386[08:20:18] <Althego> that is different
L387[08:20:39] <Althego> not relies on inherent capability that is not learnable
L388[08:20:52] <JVFoxy> heh was more along the lines of, people playing games about working
L389[08:21:12] <Althego> is there a game about software developer where you have to write code? :)
L390[08:21:19] <packbart> nothing beats the thrill of driving 17 metric tons of fish sticks from Hamburg to Stockholm ;)
L391[08:21:19] <Althego> maybe go to meetings too? :)
L392[08:21:30] <packbart> Office Simulator
L393[08:21:38] <JVFoxy> job simulator
L394[08:21:38] <packbart> would buy
L395[08:22:01] <Althego> there is a pc building simulator
L396[08:22:14] <JVFoxy> lol.. game development simulator.... make a game development simulator in the simulator, get a 'meta' achievement.
L397[08:22:19] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I remember 0.8
L398[08:22:23] <FltAdmVonSpiz> where I modded in a target flare
L399[08:22:28] <FltAdmVonSpiz> and tried to do orbital rendevous without the map screen
L400[08:22:33] <FltAdmVonSpiz> that was fun but almost impossible to do efficiently
L401[08:22:40] <Althego> now that is hardcore
L402[08:22:49] <JVFoxy> target flare?
L403[08:23:01] <JVFoxy> that sorta like a road side flare thing?
L404[08:23:34] <JVFoxy> lol.. I tried orbiting the mun without patched conics
L405[08:23:46] <Althego> that is extremely easy
L406[08:23:56] <Althego> i went to the mun and back in cockpit view
L407[08:24:04] <Althego> that required some calculation
L408[08:24:08] <Althego> not much though
L409[08:24:21] <JVFoxy> lol.. stock panel or did you have that fancy rasterprop setup?
L410[08:24:37] <Althego> full stock
L411[08:25:02] <Althego> usually i make it as a must to go to mun without conics in carreer
L412[08:25:13] <JVFoxy> hey.. it be cool if you did it with raster. Stock just lacks so much already
L413[08:25:56] <JVFoxy> in career, I won't do mun till I get the 3 person command pod unlocked. Otherwise its probes till then
L414[08:27:59] <Althego> so the calculations required was basically just a check if i am really in orbi
L415[08:27:59] <Althego> t
L416[08:28:05] <JVFoxy> I don't know... I've imposed some of my own limit, within reason... does anyone else?
L417[08:28:18] <Althego> and then the delta v, how much my velocity changed after injections
L418[08:29:32] <packbart> JVFoxy: I build with "crew-accessible" restrictions in mind. no fuel tanks between crew compartments
L419[08:30:12] <JVFoxy> when to start injection burn usually about the time the mun pops up from kerbin's horizon. More acceleration, later you start it.
L420[08:30:14] <packbart> I used to use a mod that enforced it. forgot the name already
L421[08:30:29] <packbart> Connected Living Space, that was it
L422[08:31:30] <JVFoxy> packbart I'm about the same way as well... though most of my designs dons't have fuel tanks in weird places as is
L423[08:32:56] <JVFoxy> My ship, Carter, has a 'spine' with two mk1 crew parts, a structural section in the middle that holds a docking port for access to the lander. Granted, it all connects to the side of the command pod but I still added a couple of aerodynamic cone parts to make it look like the section is still accessable.
L424[08:33:14] <Althego> i always felt there is something wrong with mass distribution. it is visible if you look at planes. the wings end up in stupid places compared to real airplanes to have stable flight
L425[08:34:16] <JVFoxy> Altehgo when it comes to planes, think part of that problem is because the engine nozzle in KSP is where the engine actually is. Fighter planes, engines aren't always at the very back like that
L426[08:34:35] <Althego> can be
L427[08:35:00] <JVFoxy> or not as 'concentrated'. fighter engines are actually fairly long
L428[08:37:07] <JVFoxy> I've a few planes with fan engines on the wings, but I had to build them out of 4 parts. Still, puts engine weight at the back a little bit.
L429[08:43:01] <JVFoxy> Althego I've had a few planes where the wings were a bit further back. But not with all of them. Depends on the design.
L430[08:44:06] * JVFoxy throws on KSP with airplane+ mod.. forgot had a tiny little heli, but no way to load it into the cargo plane
L431[09:12:22] <FltAdmVonSpiz> JVFoxy: I modded a small box to have six of the largest engine plumes coming out of it
L432[09:12:25] <FltAdmVonSpiz> one from each face
L433[09:12:35] <FltAdmVonSpiz> if it was in a low 40km orbit (old atmosphere for the win!) it would be visible from the surface
L434[09:12:58] <FltAdmVonSpiz> so I would wait till night at KSC
L435[09:13:04] <FltAdmVonSpiz> and launch as it came over the horizon
L436[09:13:05] <JVFoxy> so.. flaming box?
L437[09:13:07] <FltAdmVonSpiz> yeah
L438[09:13:25] <JVFoxy> alright..?
L439[09:13:31] <FltAdmVonSpiz> but yeah those were the old days
L440[09:13:39] <FltAdmVonSpiz> where the only way to find out if you had actually make orbit was to sit for 40 minutes of real time
L441[09:13:46] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I also went to the sun
L442[09:13:47] <FltAdmVonSpiz> at 110m/s
L443[09:15:52] <JVFoxy> remember which version it was? I've a copy of the first public release.. I don't know if you could even get orbit in that one
L444[09:16:37] <hatrix> are Δv and burn time linear? I've got 11,654m/s and 01h05m of burn time. Does that mean I've got a burn time of 6 minutes for a Δv of 1,100m/s ?
L445[09:16:45] <JVFoxy> er... I've yet to try it out. I been holding out looking at it because wanna do a first time look at video
L446[09:17:05] <Althego> no, cant be linear
L447[09:17:24] <Althego> because at the end of the burn, you have almost no mass remaining, thus small burn cause big acceleration
L448[09:19:15] <hatrix> I'm thinking about putting a craft in orbit of Jool with those as payload https://i.imgur.com/XOOhJrs.png
L449[09:19:22] <JVFoxy> fehh... stupid wheels. trying out a cargo heli, spawns and starts bouncing around hard
L450[09:19:30] <hatrix> but I'm not sure the burn time will be low enough to circularize in time
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L453[09:33:30] <JVFoxy> found a curious ... formation just north of KSC
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L455[09:34:56] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I think it was around 0.8 JVFoxy
L456[09:37:42] <JVFoxy> ah
L457[09:41:55] <hatrix> do you see something wrong with this design? I got fuel cells, some fuel, 3 ion engines, a comm relay, batteries, probe, reaction wheel https://i.imgur.com/o3trRLb.png
L458[09:43:30] <JVFoxy> ... found this 45km north along the short from KSC... not sure what to make of it. Surprised I not noticed before: https://imgur.com/a/8bNV9mP
L459[09:44:06] <hatrix> nice plane
L460[09:44:18] <Althego> found what
L461[09:44:19] <JVFoxy> Hatrix why didn't you go with solar panels?
L462[09:44:20] <Althego> a plane,
L463[09:44:22] <Althego> ?
L464[09:44:30] <hatrix> I'm going to Jool, solar panels don't work so well there
L465[09:44:42] <JVFoxy> Althego looks like some sort of eroded square vocano formation
L466[09:45:12] <JVFoxy> like.. they went and pulled the land up, decided, 'bah.. whatever' then shoved the middle back down again
L467[09:45:56] <JVFoxy> Hatrix maybe not but how long you think that fuel is going to last with how much ion engines suck energy back?
L468[09:46:26] <hatrix> there should be way too much fuel
L469[09:47:32] <hatrix> hmm maybe not
L470[09:48:50] <hatrix> if running on fuel cells alone, I'm getting 55 secs burn time
L471[09:49:12] <hatrix> I could add some solar pannels to refill the batteries before burning
L472[09:49:36] <hatrix> I'll try thar in sandbox to be safe
L473[09:50:59] <JVFoxy> ya its a bit of a balancing act.. don't forget, probe core uses energy too
L474[09:51:17] <JVFoxy> though you could put it into hibernation mode which uses a fraction but still
L475[09:52:27] <JVFoxy> Hatrix plane I called Airflow.. sort of a spin off an old Jetstream from real life
L476[09:53:11] <hatrix> does copying real planes work well?
L477[09:56:10] <JVFoxy> use them for inspiration..
L478[09:57:55] <JVFoxy> limitation due to parts, mods. I like my stuff simple, but functional. Some people go all out, part counts in the hundreds, depending.
L479[09:59:47] <hatrix> I like simple stuff also
L480[10:04:58] <hatrix> where can I find the probe control setting in the save file?
L481[10:05:09] <hatrix> I want to turn that difficulty setting off
L482[10:05:48] <JVFoxy> bunch of screen shots I took, missions either I did or was testing out. Some I don't remember what the objectives were from back then..
L483[10:06:07] <JVFoxy> turn what off now?
L484[10:06:34] <hatrix> not being able to create maneuver nodes when not comm
L485[10:07:16] <JVFoxy> setting when you start a new game. requires network connection for control
L486[10:07:44] <hatrix> yes I know
L487[10:07:50] <hatrix> I already have a save file
L488[10:07:52] <hatrix> I want to edit it
L489[10:07:53] <JVFoxy> also another optional setting, requires connection for total control, (otherwise you still have partial, such as throttle full on and off.. ect)
L490[10:09:45] <JVFoxy> eh.. editing save file... not sure I'm qualified to answer that. Sorry
L491[10:11:23] <hatrix> I turned the commnet off :)
L492[10:11:25] <hatrix> it works
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L495[10:16:36] <JVFoxy> ... uh whoops, really tired. Ended up with two KSP games running on same system
L496[10:17:05] <JVFoxy> oh good, was able to close the other one down and not crash my whole system
L497[10:17:06] <hatrix> one barely runs on my computer D:
L498[10:17:47] <JVFoxy> was in the plane hanger on the other... guess I forgot to unload it before starting up the newer version of the game to check on something
L499[10:17:58] <JVFoxy> eh.. I built this machine just for KSP .... and second life
L500[10:18:25] <hatrix> oh, how long ago?
L501[10:18:31] <hatrix> I'm thinking of buying a new computer
L502[10:18:38] <hatrix> this one is from 2009
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L504[10:20:47] <JVFoxy> 2014 was when I put machine together
L505[10:21:16] <hatrix> burn time: 15 mins :D
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L507[10:28:29] <JVFoxy> anycase.. I best be off.. good luck
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L515[12:16:06] <hatrix> so, it works, could use more fuel cells
L516[12:17:06] <hatrix> 15 mins burns are quite long though
L517[12:17:23] <Althego> depends on where
L518[12:17:52] <Althego> doesnt really matter in deep space, also with physics acceleration
L519[12:18:08] <hatrix> I can't timewarp during acceleration
L520[12:18:14] <hatrix> is that an option somewhere?
L521[12:18:21] <Althego> but you can physics warp
L522[12:18:30] <Althego> and the ions have low thrust so works fine
L523[12:18:33] <hatrix> mhmm
L524[12:18:37] <hatrix> is that a different key?
L525[12:18:37] <Althego> up to 4x though
L526[12:18:45] <Althego> with alt
L527[12:19:28] <hatrix> I use , and . to warp
L528[12:19:33] <Althego> that is time warp
L529[12:19:36] <Althego> physics warp
L530[12:19:38] <hatrix> (my internet is so bad I can't even type on IRC today)
L531[12:19:39] <Althego> with alt .,
L532[12:19:48] <Althego> that increases forces
L533[12:19:59] <Althego> that causes everything to play faster
L534[12:20:07] <Althego> but increased risk of exploding
L535[12:20:10] <hatrix> hmm
L536[12:20:16] <hatrix> doesn't go to x2 even
L537[12:20:20] <hatrix> I'll try again
L538[12:20:25] <Althego> it goes up to 4x
L539[12:20:33] <Althego> helps a lot with long burns
L540[12:22:32] <Althego> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Time_warp#Physical_time_warp
L541[12:23:54] <hatrix> weird
L542[12:24:00] <hatrix> it says I can't go past x1
L543[12:24:08] <Althego> you totally can
L544[12:24:19] <Althego> just the first time it pops up a window
L545[12:24:26] <hatrix> that may be because of my graphics settings?
L546[12:24:28] <Althego> so that you know thic caan cause explosions
L547[12:24:32] <Althego> no
L548[12:24:42] <Althego> i think you are not trying physics but time warp
L549[12:24:49] <Althego> that doesnt work while engines are on
L550[12:25:25] <hatrix> oh
L551[12:26:25] <Althego> so alt . or on linux and mac (i guess) right shift .
L552[12:30:04] <Althego> anyway totally works for nukes and ions, even for rovers to a lesser extent
L553[12:32:23] <hatrix> i'll try
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L559[13:09:10] <hatrix> it does indeed work Althego
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L562[13:43:29] <hatrix> ok, control point was on a strut, I was burning way off :)
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L565[13:45:16] <Althego> hehehe
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L571[15:20:11] <Guest23622> Anyone know of a mod that has a decouple with built it sepratrons??
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L580[16:13:36] <raptop> ...can I get this thermometer? https://xkcd.com/2292/
L581[16:29:11] <darsie> :)
L582[16:29:51] <darsie> Just order 10,000 from China.
L583[16:29:56] <darsie> Or ask your local hackerspace.
L584[16:30:30] <darsie> Making a single LCD is probably tough.
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L586[16:30:56] <darsie> And a matrix LCD is bulky.
L587[16:38:33] <JVFoxy> .... wont' mention jumbo trons..
L588[16:39:10] <JVFoxy> or am I thinking LED matrix?
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L597[18:01:38] <Guest96751> Anyone on?
L598[18:02:41] <lordcirth> Guest96751, yes?
L599[18:03:39] <Guest96751> Hey ever seen a mod that has sepratrons built into the decouplers?
L600[18:04:58] <FLHerne> Why not just add seperatrons?
L601[18:05:31] <Guest96751> I know, I had the mod but started over with a new installation, can't remember what it was...
L602[18:06:30] <JVFoxy> was one part that was sorta similar but I think it wasn't setup right. part kept blowing up half way through the rocket burn
L603[18:07:58] <Guest96751> This mod came with a few craft files - I was surprised when i decouipled..
L604[18:10:43] <JVFoxy> granted, I hadn't looked those sorts of things for a while
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L611[18:38:59] <Lewie> Hey y'all what's going down?
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L613[18:46:56] <UmbralRaptop> Social distancing mainly
L614[18:55:09] * JVFoxy finds weird spot in mouse roller while playing KSP.. pulls mouse a part, finds a couple of contacts bent out of shape. fixes, uses KSP again to test scrolling with roller wheel and everything seems ok now. "ugh... now hopefully that jumping around got fixee"
L615[18:56:34] <JVFoxy> other news.. saved a computer part from getting dumped into the trash yet again
L616[18:57:38] <raptop> Also, there's that I've been mostly playing Morrowind lately >_>
L617[18:58:32] <JVFoxy> raptop heh.. was doing that a few months ago myself... xbox. Though more just trying a few things out at the start
L618[18:59:12] <raptop> I hadn't realized how silly the armor "balance" is
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L620[19:01:11] <JVFoxy> oh?
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L623[19:04:30] <raptop> You could probably go with light armor all the way through. Maybe mess around with ebony or daedric in the very late game if you have items to boost your strength
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L625[19:05:16] <JVFoxy> I usually went medium but ugh... finding some early on is a bit of a struggle.
L626[19:05:37] <raptop> You can totally steal bonemold from parts of Ald'rune
L627[19:05:42] <raptop> ...or however it's spelled
L628[19:06:00] <raptop> And yeah, once you have money, there are dreugar and adamantium pieces (mods permitting)
L629[19:06:45] <raptop> OTOH, chitin is decent, glass is better than all but a few pieces of medium (and those are in official mods/expansions)
L630[19:07:20] <JVFoxy> heh... I made something of a 'brute' one version, lot of strength, high skill on the long blade. Couple of hits knocked others down pretty fast. I was like. 'whoa.. usually I have hard time fighting with my other setups'
L631[19:07:25] <raptop> And if you have Tribunal installed, you can get dark brotherhood (which protects orcish, but weighs almost nothing) almost by accident
L632[19:07:35] <raptop> heh
L633[19:07:36] <JVFoxy> <- heh xbox.. mods?
L634[19:07:44] <raptop> bah
L635[19:08:03] <raptop> wait, this would have been on the origional xbox. That's basically a Pentium III running a weird version of Windows, right?
L636[19:08:28] <JVFoxy> I've had the game since early days. I thought I'd look at it again, used to have a hard time getting into it back then. Easier now with a lot of game wiki sites
L637[19:09:15] <JVFoxy> I don't know... ha done of the clear green xbox editions, think it was one of the last editions to come out. The more recent playing around was on the 360 with original disk
L638[19:09:26] <raptop> hm
L639[19:09:52] <JVFoxy> was staying at a friends avoiding drama at home for a few months
L640[19:10:09] <raptop> But at least on PC, there's some official mods (which add things like area effect arrows, dragonflies to the bitter coast, fill in some gaps in armor sets...)
L641[19:10:25] <raptop> Also, you can just add mp3s to the folder for additional music :D
L642[19:10:40] <raptop> ow
L643[19:10:54] <JVFoxy> mod to at least make use of the negative affect potions other than for xp bulid?
L644[19:11:35] <raptop> I wouldn't be surprised if someone has done that, but I don't know of one
L645[19:12:05] <raptop> Ah, bungler's bane. How I don't enjoy you
L646[19:12:24] * raptop assumes that there's a mod where you can convert moon sugar into skooma
L647[19:12:26] <JVFoxy> would be nice... I know in either oblivion or skyrim they did let you make use of them on weapons
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L650[19:14:24] * JVFoxy checking out a design in the VAB... wonders why Terrier engine is giving crap for DV. Then realizes setting was put to vacuum.. doh
L651[19:14:52] <JVFoxy> ah there we go... 285dv, turn setting to vacuum, DV now shows 1047
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L653[19:16:40] <raptop> oops
L654[19:18:35] <JVFoxy> had a design up earlier but had to exit the game to deal with fixing the mouse. wheel was acting up. Turns out some contacts inside the sensor was bent. Fixed
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L656[19:36:03] <Guest04329> hi
L657[19:36:04] <Mod9000> Hello, Guest04329
L658[19:36:12] <Guest04329> what's up?
L659[19:36:50] <UmbralRaptop> +∇U, usually
L660[19:36:57] <JVFoxy> sun?
L661[19:36:58] <Guest04329> nice
L662[19:37:15] <UmbralRaptop> The sun's down here
L663[19:37:36] <Guest04329> nice man
L664[19:38:35] <Guest04329> what did you guys do in ksp today?
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L666[19:39:57] <UmbralRaptop> …
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L668[20:00:24] <UmbralRaptop> Oh, right. Tonight is Yuri's Night
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L680[23:37:47] <X> @UmbralRaptop: can we talk about KSP2 yet?
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