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L6[00:49:09] <raptop> X: you can, if you can
come up with much to talk about
L7[00:49:49] <Althego> hah one character
nick
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L10[01:16:01] <Althego> sometimes
L11[01:16:05] <Webchat736> cool.
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L13[01:16:37] <Althego> the patience is
strong with this one. :)
L14[01:16:58] <Althego> ok waited more than
30 seconds, that is more than the most
L16[01:20:51] <kmath> YouTube - How To
Catch A Rocket From Space With A Helicopter (Peter Beck Interview,
Spring 2020)
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L36[04:08:15] <hatrix> I put enough Δv to
circularize around any body from a very high orbit around Jool to
be safe, there's plenty left actually
L37[04:08:49] <darsie> hatrix: One for each
moon?
L38[04:08:57] <hatrix> yep
L39[04:10:09] <darsie> A single relay would
have been enough, and a simpler antenna for the satellites.
L40[04:10:25] <hatrix> i wanted them to act
as relay also
L41[04:10:30] <darsie> ok
L42[04:10:36] <darsie> For further
missions?
L43[04:10:39] <hatrix> I've got no proper
network around Jool
L44[04:10:43] <hatrix> figured out those
will be enough
L45[04:10:49] <hatrix> yep
L46[04:11:03] <hatrix> I've got a relay
around Bop/Pol/Vall, but that's not enough
L47[04:15:38] <hatrix> KAC really does
wonders for such missions
L48[04:16:05] <hatrix> I can plan multiple
maneuvers nodes on multiple crafts and not miss anything :)
L49[04:27:26] <hatrix> the Jool system is
nice to practice gravity assists
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L53[05:58:18] <kubi> why those ugly 1-to-2
modules?
L54[05:58:56] <darsie> Fuel cells for Dawn
:)
L55[05:58:57] <kubi> use the fairings
without the fairing itself, enable struts and interstage
nodes
L56[05:59:40] <hatrix> how do you put them
side to side with interstage nodes?
L57[05:59:54] <darsie> You can stack them
on top of each other.
L58[06:00:03] <hatrix> yes but I've got 5
of them
L59[06:00:20] <darsie> The antenna and the
scanner.
L60[06:00:28] <hatrix> oh
L61[06:00:53] <darsie> I'd use solar panels
instead of fuel cells.
L62[06:00:57] <hatrix> that would look ugly
though
L63[06:01:03] <hatrix> and not so much
reallistic
L64[06:01:05] <darsie> This is ugly,
too.
L65[06:01:16] <hatrix> less :p
L66[06:01:31] <darsie> Aesthetics seem to
be different ;)
L67[06:01:59] <darsie> Anyways, it uses
less diameter, which is better.
L68[06:02:17] <hatrix> depends, it's not so
useful here
L69[06:02:26] <darsie> And it's not
uncommon to stack two satellites on top of each other.
L70[06:02:30] <darsie> irl
L71[06:02:34] <hatrix> regardless, I'm
happy I achieved this :o
L72[06:03:04] <darsie> Yeah, congrats
:)
L73[06:09:19] <hatrix> the next steps will
be harder though
L74[06:09:46] <darsie> What are next
steps?
L75[06:09:53] <darsie> Return surface
samples?
L76[06:09:57] <hatrix> first
paragraph
L77[06:10:01] <hatrix> a refill station in
orbit
L78[06:10:11] <hatrix> though I'm not
exactly sure how it will play out
L79[06:10:36] <hatrix> and I think I'm
gonna buy the breaking ground DLC finally
L80[06:10:50] <darsie> why?
L81[06:11:27] <hatrix> to do more stuff I
guess
L82[06:11:31] <darsie> ok
L83[06:13:22] <hatrix> surface samples
could be nice also
L84[06:13:39] <hatrix> but I'd like to have
that refueling oportunity
L85[06:15:59] <hatrix> I guess it's kinda
hard to design a craft capable of making the round trip, even to
Pol, right?
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L105[13:23:50] <hatrix> ah nice, forgot
the ore tank, only noticed when landed on Pol :)
L106[13:24:13] <Althego> hehe
L107[13:26:34] <hatrix> landed with
200
L108[13:26:37] <hatrix> m/s remaining
also
L109[13:26:44] <hatrix> I was a bit
worried I'd make it
L110[13:27:06] <Althego> that is
overdesigned on pol
L111[13:27:49] <hatrix> I'm talking from
Kerbin
L112[13:28:25] <hatrix> but I could have
worked it through with the RCS I guess
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L115[14:43:35] <Rolf> we should have
diffulity levels
L116[14:43:49] <Rolf> starting with small
world and ending with earth size
L117[14:44:02] <Rolf> last being hard (we
barely can have space program!)
L118[14:44:28] <raptop> In stock?
L119[14:44:38] <Rolf> yeah
L120[14:44:43] <Rolf> it dont exist
sadly
L121[14:45:13] <raptop> Also, max hard
mode would be on a super earth just before runaway hydrogen
accretion turns it into a mini-neptune
L122[14:45:26] <raptop> (maybe a tiny bit
so you get a largeish scale height)
L123[14:45:36] <Rolf> above certain g you
cant have space program at all
L124[14:45:42] <Rolf> 1.2g I think
L125[14:45:58] <Althego> why
L126[14:46:13] <Rolf> impossible to get
orbit speed high enough
L127[14:46:25] <Rolf> lemme see if I can
find article
L128[14:46:34] <raptop> mass/circular
velocity tends to go up fast compared with surface gravity
L129[14:46:43] <raptop> Hence the max g
being suprisingly low
L131[14:48:58] <Althego> this would
explain the fermi paradox
L132[14:49:27] <Rolf> earth is pretty much
"hard mode"
L133[14:49:51] <Rolf> just a little more
and we might not have landed on moon for probably anoher 100
years
L134[14:49:59] <Althego> no, because there
are a lot more super earths
L135[14:50:15] <Rolf> alt i wasnt replying
to you :)
L136[14:50:42] <Rolf> ut maybe? dunno
whats ratio of life on size of worlds?
L137[14:51:02] <Rolf> smaller would outgas
faster I would think, making it harder for life to keep going
L138[14:51:14] <Rolf> while bigger makes
space program "fun"
L139[14:51:29] <Althego> others may be
frozen over with liquid ocean inside, they wouldnt even have a
sky
L140[14:51:54] <raptop> Also, if you
assume a planet with, say, twice as much water as earth, you get no
land
L141[14:52:39] <raptop> No exposed land
-> lack of erosion bringing various ions into the water ->
much less available for life
L142[14:53:14] <Althego> most tars are
also red dwarfs
L143[14:54:05] <Rolf> kerbin is little
weird. its quite small world for 1g and dense atomsphere too
L144[14:54:27] <Althego> probably a
different universe
L145[14:54:57] <Althego> different laws of
physics, they are just quite similar
L146[14:55:03] <Rolf> yeah
L147[14:55:36] <Rolf> from my link:
"Up above 10g, something really interesting happens that is
kind of a theoretical limit. The mass of the rocket reaches a
measurable fraction of the mass of the entire planet it's launching
from."
L148[14:55:50] <Althego> hehe
L149[14:56:19] <Althego> cant build
civilization there
L150[14:56:37] <Althego> because all
living things would be necessarily small, so they cant have big
brains
L151[14:56:47] <Althego> unless they are
simething like ant hives
L152[14:56:58] <Rolf> unless its more like
moving mountains
L153[14:57:21] <packbart> right, Red
Dwarf. that's a series I could watch again
L154[14:57:39] <Rolf> havent watched
that
L155[14:57:48] <packbart> it's old and
rather silly
L156[14:58:07] <raptop> I mean, corvids
are oddly smart for how much brain matter they have
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L158[14:58:50] <raptop> And red dwarfs
present, uh, interesting challenges to life. Please wait for JWST
for additional data
L159[14:59:15] <Althego> we have to wait
more because of voldemort :)
L160[14:59:18] <raptop> (We don't know if
stellar activity tends to erode terrestrial planet atmospheres in
that environment)
L161[14:59:54] <Althego> but also red
dwars live for a long time, so maybe in that time, if the planet is
still there, there can be a chance for life
L162[15:00:47] <raptop> possibly
L163[15:01:37] <raptop> I'm more
optimistic about K dwarfs than M dwarfs, really
L164[15:01:57] <Althego> yes k sounds
better
L165[15:04:07] <Althego> i wonder if the
chinese mars mission will be able to launch this eyar
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L170[15:26:37] <FltAdmVonSpiz> eh
L171[15:26:42] <FltAdmVonSpiz> you can
have a space programme on a super earth
L172[15:26:46] <FltAdmVonSpiz> it just
requires you to do what is necessary
L173[15:26:58] <FltAdmVonSpiz> ie. do not
pass go, go directly to Project Orion
L174[15:31:43] <darsie> Rockoons, mass
driver suspended on balloons, launch loops, ...
L175[15:43:56] <darsie> Dang, no sensor on
my asteroid pusher. Can't science data from Eve.
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L177[15:50:57] <Althego> scott
L178[15:51:15] <hatrix> give the link
already ;o
L179[15:51:26] <Althego> you know where it
is
L181[15:52:27] <kmath> YouTube - The
Talon-A A Mach-6 Hypersonic Test Plane From Stratolaunch
L182[15:52:36] <Althego> i could catch it
because i was still awake when normally not
L183[15:52:47] <Althego> usually i can
watch it like 16 hours later
L184[15:52:52] <Althego> or more liek 18
hoursl ater
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L187[15:53:20] <Althego> looks somewhat
similar :)
L188[15:53:23] <hatrix> is assiduous a
proper english word to describe yourself?
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