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L1[00:01:03] <JVFoxy> ah.. euro?
L2[00:01:14] <Eddi|zuHause> CEST
L3[00:01:53] <JVFoxy> nod
L4[00:28:43] <Neal> what's the deal? I have
limited crew control even tho there are 2 crewmembers onboard
L5[00:29:08] <Neal> "eva currently
unavailable"
L6[00:29:51] <Neal> I was able to eva not
too long ago with this same crew and same vessel...
L7[00:30:10] <Neal> nvm.... was accidentally
timewarping
L8[00:30:17] <JVFoxy> was going to
say...
L9[00:30:29] <JVFoxy> not trying to EVA out
of Mk1 cabin using portait?
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L69[06:08:38] <darsie> I can't fit a
fairing to a Mk3 LF fuselage. Need to use a LF/OX adapter.
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L76[06:46:24] <Eddi|zuHause> use fuel
switch mod, switch it to LF only?
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L82[07:43:58] <darsie> ok, but the whole
concept is flawed. Not doing that.
L83[07:44:33] <packbart> well, just don't
use Mk3 parts ;)
L84[07:44:38] <darsie> My mission
concept.
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L86[07:47:34] <darsie> Bad: refinery in
LKO, shuttle with drills brings ore from Minmus to refinery,
refuels there, repeat.
L87[07:48:08] <darsie> Good: Refinery on
Minmus with drills makes fuel, shuttle picks up fuel, brings it to
LKO, repeat.
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L89[07:50:52] <darsie> Challenge: dock
shuttle with refinery on Minmus surface.
L90[07:55:55] <Gasher[work]> have a wheeled
vehicle to move from refinery to the landed shuttle?
L91[07:56:16] <darsie> nice :)
L92[07:56:20] <Althego> claw capture is
docking for the game
L93[07:56:33] <darsie> With resource
transfer?
L94[07:57:04] <Gasher[work]> with the klaw
it seems to be trivial
L95[07:57:24] <darsie> Not much more
difficult than mating docking ports.
L96[07:57:33] <darsie> easier*
L97[07:57:56] <Gasher[work]> also people
advised me gravity cheat to test the vehicle right on landing pad
with the refinery together
L98[07:58:12] <Althego> i suggest docking
horizontally
L99[07:58:23] <Gasher[work]> that's what i
meant
L100[07:58:27] <Althego> docking one on
top of the other even on minmus is extremely hard
L101[07:58:32] <Gasher[work]> indeed
L102[07:58:39] <darsie> Yeah, not doing
that.
L103[07:58:57] <Althego> the gravity cheat
may still be needed, because springs on diferent wheels could
behave differently and change your docking port altitude
L104[07:59:02] <darsie> Have docking port
on strut landing legs.
L105[07:59:03] <Gasher[work]> i managed
that a few times but that is not worth it
L106[07:59:28] <Gasher[work]> or use the
latest robotics update
L107[08:00:42] <darsie> I have no
DLC.
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L113[08:35:49] <Eddi|zuHause> use KAS with
pipes for docking?
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L140[09:48:56] <kubi> attach to root or
heaviest part?
L141[09:49:36] <kubi> these structs are
small and the joints are weak
L142[09:50:25] <darsie> Struts are
stiff.
L143[09:51:00] <packbart> that looks quite
heavy for just 4 wheels
L144[09:51:14] <darsie> Should be ok on
flats.
L145[09:51:44] <darsie> but yeah, it
didn't move. Gonna try with empty tank.
L146[09:52:17] <packbart> and I had mixed
results with the BonVoyage thingy on large rovers. they keep ending
up rotated into the ground
L147[09:52:52] <packbart> I had hoped to
use it for automated fuel trucks on Minmus
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L150[09:56:48] <Wastl4> Do the
"transfer any crew between vessels" contracts require two
vessels that have been launched seperately or is it sufficient to
spacewalk to a craft created by undocking some parts (e.g. a
lander)?
L151[09:58:07] <darsie> With empty tank it
behaves. Maybe it'll be ok on Minmus wiht a full tank.
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L157[10:08:54] <kubi> I think a simple
undock is not enough
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L160[10:09:20] <kubi> but if you switch to
another vessel far from them, then back, it may wakt
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L162[10:09:43] <kubi> I'm not sure if the
game keeps track of the origin
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L164[10:20:24] <Eddi|zuHause> must be two
separate launches, it keeps track of the origin
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L166[10:29:26] <JVFoxy> docking
contract?
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L170[10:48:30] <JVFoxy> Eddi|zuHause two
launches for which?
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L172[10:50:02] <Wastl4> Eddi: I just made
a test flight; you're right, unfortunately.
L173[10:50:11] <Wastl4> JVFoxy: crew
transfer contract.
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L175[10:52:24] <JVFoxy> Wastl4 ah ok.. I
had a contract to dock and transfer, or something. I had a booster
already in orbit, brought it over to dock on the new 'station'.
Turns out it won't complete the contract because it saw the station
as prior to the contract till I undocked the part
L176[10:52:51] <JVFoxy> rather...
L177[10:53:25] <JVFoxy> I brought up a
crew pod, docked it on the station with the booster on it, couldn't
figure out why it wasn't completing. Turns out can't have anything
else on it prior to the contract taking, period
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L182[11:13:12] <darsie> Just enough fuel
to SST Minmus.
L183[11:13:35] <darsie> Shouldn't have
brought RCS fuel.
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L185[11:24:01] <JVFoxy> wouldn't mind a
plane only cockpit option... removes RCS and RW, maybe adds more
power?
L186[11:25:10] <Althego> lol that
"rover"
L187[11:27:40] <JVFoxy> surprised wheels
didn't drag the whole thing right over
L188[11:28:11] <JVFoxy> mainsail... I
guess skipper didn't have power at liftoff?
L189[11:29:18] <darsie> Vector was a bit
weak. And Mainsail was cheaper.
L190[11:30:22] <darsie> JVFoxy: They do,
and I just switch from attitude hold to prograde hold at 40 m/s and
the drag turns my rocket to its desired trajectory.
L191[11:30:52] <darsie> Not sure how much
is drag and how much is imbalance.
L192[11:31:40] <JVFoxy> I usually avoided
mainsail unless I really had to for boosters. Then again, lot of
what I made aren't quite /that/ extreme enough to need them
L193[11:32:19] <JVFoxy> power is great...
the lower isp though...
L194[11:32:41] <Althego> also mainsail is
expensive
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L196[11:35:45] <darsie> Althego: There's a
simple solution for that: Lots of money :).
L197[11:35:59] <Althego> not so easy with
mostly hard settings
L198[11:36:07] <darsie> Yeah, I
guess.
L199[11:36:11] <darsie> I play
normal.
L200[11:36:53] <darsie> 5+ million
contracts for finding highly inclined asteroids with teh IR
telescope.
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L203[11:38:04] <Althego> that ir thing
doesnt seem to do anything for me
L204[11:38:18] <darsie> Gotta wait for
good contracts.
L205[11:38:21] <Althego> ok, it has been
like 6 days
L206[11:38:33] <darsie> Maybe put it
between Kerbin and Eve.
L207[11:38:36] <Althego> but i thought it
should b abl to find asteroids on its own
L208[11:38:54] <Eddi|zuHause> darsie: did
you not have wheels that could fold in to reduce drag?
L209[11:39:00] <darsie> Check for
contracts, wait 7 days, repeat.
L210[11:39:25] <darsie> Eddi|zuHause: Like
aircraft wheels? Are tehy powered?
L211[11:39:43] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't
think so
L212[11:39:53] <darsie> I have
those.
L213[11:39:56] <Althego> tthe rover wheels
from making history?
L214[11:40:04] <darsie> I don't have
DLC.
L215[11:43:05] <darsie> But it's really ok
with these wheels. I don't even get a noticable accelleration dip
at the sonic barrier.
L216[11:43:22] <darsie> I need to turn
over anyways.
L217[11:47:02] <JVFoxy> hurg....
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L219[11:47:16] <JVFoxy> wish was a way to
uprate the juno engines a tad..
L220[11:47:30] <Althego> they are in text
:)
L221[11:47:34] <JVFoxy> nice little
engine, but some designs, the wheezers are just too massive
L222[11:48:11] <JVFoxy> mean time, I've
just been doubling up the juno's, but takes away from parts
count
L223[11:49:20] <JVFoxy> Althego:
sorry?
L224[11:49:57] <Althego> you can edit them
for an upgradae
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L227[11:51:46] <JVFoxy> I guess...? is the
general consensus that juno's a bit anemic or?
L228[11:52:11] <JVFoxy> getting about 10kn
at cruise, full throttle
L229[11:52:38] <Althego> the first usable
engine is the thrust vectoring thing
L230[11:52:43] <JVFoxy> mind you.. I am
8km up, cruising 300m/s with 4 of them at the moment
L231[11:52:58] <Althego> that is
practically standing still
L232[11:53:11] <Althego> the one bigger
one is not faster either
L233[11:53:32] <JVFoxy> jet engine with
vector.. panther you mean?
L234[11:53:52] <Althego> that
L235[11:53:59] <Althego> can cruise above
800
L236[11:54:31] <JVFoxy> I'd have to
redesign things.. just to fit it
L237[11:55:30] <JVFoxy> I did make a
canard plane thing, does close to 500m/s with four juno's but not
much room past just the pilot
L238[11:56:53] <JVFoxy> two panther
engined craft I did.. sorta like concord and SR-71 on crack pretty
much.. had to be careful with overheat if I used the whipelash
engines, it was that slippery
L239[11:58:23] <JVFoxy> any case.. if I
wasn't haulling 400+ fuel in this little plane, I probably would be
doing better and maybe only need 2 junos. More of a test, something
to do. halfway point is polar ice shelf... again
L240[12:05:32] <packbart> great. Val swam
400m in the dark and the crew hatch was underwater
L241[12:06:13] <packbart> yet the tourists
were totally unfazed that their pilot went overboard during descent
to get some science readings
L242[12:06:24] <JVFoxy> huh.. managed to
get up to 530m/s now.. turns out juno's get a little 'boost' if
they reach 500m/m velocity..
L243[12:06:39] <JVFoxy> oh heh
whoops
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L253[12:39:09] <Althego> clippy. looks
like you are building a plane. do you need some help? :)
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L289[16:26:37] <Ezko> mars trilogy is
probably worth reading/listening to?
L290[16:28:43] <UmbralRaptop> I think
so?
L291[16:30:07] <Ezko> have you done
either?
L292[16:35:26] <UmbralRaptop> Read it, and
liked it, uh… 19 years ago o_O
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L296[17:00:21] <packbart> Kerbal rescue
contracts aren't very urgent, are they? "Duration:
5y"
L297[17:02:34] <UmbralRaptop> I mean,
pacifist orks can take a lot of neglect
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L301[17:07:27] <Ezko> UmbralRaptop:
thanks
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L315[18:05:06] <darsie> Still need a
shuttle that brings it to LKO.
L316[18:05:28] <darsie> When the tanker is
full it wobbles and jumps again, as on Kerbin.
L317[18:06:02] <darsie> Looks like they
forgot dampers.
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L324[18:51:30] <Eddi|zuHause> don't the
wheels have adjustable dampers?
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L326[19:37:54] <darsie> Yeah, I think
so.
L327[19:38:03] <darsie> In the VAB.
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L336[21:49:50] <Neal> shoutout to gusgard
kerman for falling off the VAB and surviving
L337[21:50:20] <Neal> (tried to parachute
onto the roof, but had too much forward velocity and skipped off,
falling a few hundred meters
L338[21:54:38] <Neal> "gusgard kerman
exploded due to overheating"
L339[21:54:47] <Neal> that's kinda
brutal
L340[21:58:03] <UmbralRaptop> uh
L341[21:59:00] <UmbralRaptop> Wait, he
survived faceplanting in front of the VAB, and then spontaneously
combusted?
L342[21:59:57] *
UmbralRaptop needs to see what happens if a kerbal opens their
helmet in a place without breathable air
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L348[22:07:37] <Neal> umbral: immediately
repurposed him for the next mission
L349[22:08:15] <UmbralRaptop> Hah. Also,
ow
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