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L23[06:53:08] <sandbox> Craft is too heavy!
The Launch pad can't support vessels heavier than
340282346638529000000000000000000000000t
L24[06:53:09] <sandbox> Untitled space
Craft's total mass is NaNt.
L25[06:54:10] <darsie> Get an unlimited
launchpad ;).
L26[07:02:51] <Mat2ch> I need a picture of
that craft! ;)
L27[07:03:59] <packbart> trying to launch a
black hole to orbit?
L28[07:04:16] <Mat2ch> With only three
parts!
L29[07:19:43] <Althego> 18 kerbal station
(with lander) is on its way to the mun
L30[07:20:27] <Althego> 2 kerbals remained
in ksc
L31[07:20:53] <Althego> bob is arriving
back to kerbin from minmus in a day
L32[07:21:10] <Althego> actually got
basically all nodes i wanted
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L34[07:28:09] <Fluburtur> Mat2ch im
rendering the build videos of the bass
L35[07:28:22] <Althego> he still
lives
L36[07:29:01] <darsie> Is it cheating if I
pass through the atmosphere in the tracking station to avoid
aerobraking my asteroid?
L37[07:29:39] <Althego> grey area. the game
simulates it without drag, but in reality there would be
L38[07:30:49] <darsie> I'm too lazy. Need
about 20 passes to lift it out of the atmosphere.
L39[07:31:33] <darsie> The problem is
turning the asteroid so it gets sun to mine fuel, then turn to pass
through the atmosphere.
L40[07:35:09] <Fluburtur> you will see them
soon
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L43[07:59:52] <packbart> how did the
asteroid get into the atmosphere?
L44[08:00:33] <Gasher[work]> by thrusting
retrograde/
L45[08:00:42] <Black_Eagle> i'm still going
mad
L46[08:00:54] <Black_Eagle> what is up with
these phantom forces?!
L47[08:01:09] <Gasher[work]> ?
L48[08:01:14] <Althego> the phantom
menace
L49[08:01:43] <Black_Eagle> SAS off, spawn
on runway, brakes on. plane slides. drifts, almost, sideways
L50[08:01:44] <Black_Eagle> WHY
L51[08:01:50] <Gasher[work]> ah
L52[08:02:09] <Black_Eagle> and when i fly
the plane rolls to the right
L53[08:02:19] <Gasher[work]> that's unusual
though
L54[08:02:22] <Althego> most of my planes
roll to the right
L55[08:02:30] <Gasher[work]> the runway
drift seems to be usual
L56[08:02:33] <Althego> under highest
timewarp
L57[08:02:47] <Black_Eagle> everything is
snapped in with 'absolute' and all the pieces are symmetrically
attached
L58[08:02:56] <Althego> yes, i know
L59[08:03:15] <Black_Eagle> I HATE THIS and
this is the reason why i stopped playing KSP for a while
L60[08:03:35] <Althego> maybe you can have
some protection against this roll with dihedral wings, but they
never seemed to do much for m
L61[08:03:36] <Althego> e
L62[08:03:53] <Black_Eagle> they are :/ not
enough
L63[08:06:01] <Black_Eagle> the force seems
to be constant so if you counteract it with trim you won't achieve
stable flight because increasing air speed increase the force put
out by the trimmed piece
L64[08:06:08] <Black_Eagle>
*increases
L65[08:20:03] <Black_Eagle> so could auto
struts do this?
L66[08:21:15] <Althego> if anything they
woudl fix it
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L69[08:42:08] <Fluburtur> should I take
guitar or trumpet lessons
L70[08:42:17] <flayer> i like
trumpets
L72[08:45:19] <flayer> come join our merry
dance!
L73[08:59:26] <Black_Eagle> i gave up. good
bye ksp for another month.
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L75[09:19:15] <darsie> packbart: I picked a
class E asteroid with very low delta v to Kerbin orbit, but it was
a near polar orbit, so I let it go back to solar orbit,
rendezvoused and attached to it, killed the low inclination, and
aerobraked to 315 km apoapsis. Then I pushed Pe to 70.5 km.
L76[09:20:20] <darsie> I put it down to
about 25 km for aerobraking.
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L78[09:21:39] <Althego> if it is not focues
it is going to be dfeleted
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L80[09:22:30] <darsie> deflated?
L81[09:22:51] <Althego> deleted
L82[09:23:12] <darsie> There was a
spaceship attached to it.
L83[09:23:34] <Althego> maybe the auto
delete works only for debris, i am not sure
L84[09:24:07] <Althego> but below 30 they
are deleted
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L91[09:54:40] <JVfoxy> find it curious,
they said the motors weren't intended to make prop craft. And yet
people took that as a chellenge and went built things anyways
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L119[11:10:34] <Althego> scott
L120[11:10:38] <Althego> about dlc
L121[11:10:50] <Althego> so maybe they
paid for his free tiume :)
L123[11:21:44] <umaxtu_mobile> fun
L124[11:22:11] <Althego> as an rc
airplane? :)
L126[11:22:59] <kmath> YouTube - The
One-Lane Bridge Shared By Cars And Trains
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L128[11:34:12] <JVfoxy> looking back at
some old KSP stuff i did.. probably spending too much time messing
around rather than actually seeing if there's anything good to
salvage
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L144[12:35:51] <jUMPSu1t> Hey...I've got
Valentina up right now, my rocket has orbital capabilities but I
put it on a suborbital trajectory.
L145[12:36:27] <jUMPSu1t> If you have no
more maneuvers to do, can you jettison the second stage?
L146[12:36:43] <jUMPSu1t> Or is there a
thing with the pod
L147[12:36:48] <Althego> if there is
something that can disconnect it
L148[12:36:58] <jUMPSu1t> Yeah, I have a
decoupler
L149[12:37:13] <Althego> so decoupler,
stack separator, heat shield, or some kind of elements can function
as a decoupler
L150[12:37:18] <jUMPSu1t> Alright, if it's
fine by you I'll just do it
L151[12:37:29] <Althego> but why would you
do it?
L152[12:37:35] <Althego> try to recover as
many parts as possible
L153[12:37:43] <jUMPSu1t> Y?
L154[12:37:52] <umaxtu_mobile> you get
some money back
L155[12:38:00] <jUMPSu1t> I'm playing
sandbox
L156[12:38:04] <Althego> decoupling is
usually done for 2 reasons, to have less mass for the next stage,
or to have less mass for the atmospheric slowing down
L157[12:38:19] <jUMPSu1t> Less mass for
reentry
L158[12:38:42] <jUMPSu1t> Also my
heatshield is covered my the decoupler...I imagine that's kind of
important
L159[12:38:43] <umaxtu_mobile> or when you
run out of fuel just before you get your periapsis into the
atmosphere
L160[12:38:50] <Althego> also decoupling
some mass would let the capsule orient itself in bottom first
L161[12:39:09] <Althego> hehe, emergency
decouple to give you a few more m/s delta v
L162[12:39:12] <jUMPSu1t> No...I've
already done course adjustments...I don't need more
L163[12:39:35] <jUMPSu1t> And i have a
stage separtor so no explosive force there
L164[12:39:41] <Althego> so either use the
staging, or right click the decoupler and use the menu item
L165[12:40:06] <jUMPSu1t> I'VE JETTISONED
IT ALREADY I DON'T NEED ADVICE ON HOW TO DO IT
L166[12:44:42] <packbart> *twiddle* 20
days for a transfer from Mun to Minmus. I probably could have timed
that better, although I was coming from Mun polar orbit and lucky
to get an encounter, anyways
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L168[12:46:35] <jUMPSu1t> When do I stage
chutes? This is something I've struggled with in the past, and a
lot of kerbals died bc of it
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L170[12:47:32] <JVfoxy> bleh... -bats at
router
L171[12:47:38] *
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L175[12:49:26] <Althego> i did mun to
minmus transfer once
L176[12:49:29] <Althego> it is just too
annoying
L177[12:49:37] <Althego> in 20 days i
could collect all the science nodes
L178[12:50:01] <Althego> jUMPSu1t: when
they are not red :)
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L180[12:50:31] <JVfoxy> was messing around
in 0.23.5, my has the game ever changed...
L181[12:50:43] <Althego> or alternatively
you can set the minimum activation pressure to high (in
atmospheres), stage whenever, and they will activate at the
pressure, hopefully you going slow enough and not crashed into a
mountain
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L184[12:57:56] <jUMPSu1t> Alright! That
was my first successful mission, in the bag!
L185[12:59:03] <Althego> hehe the agc
fixing project. guy explains about the apollo gyroscopes in ep 9,
mentions an hermetic beryllium sphere, then cut away to a
corresponding scene in galaxy quest :)
L186[13:01:07] <Althego> gravity probe h
and l collected 11 biome data gravity scan from 17 in orbit of the
mun
L187[13:01:23] <JVfoxy> I barely remember
that movie, but know the scene. It was just made up, yet the aliens
managed to make it work. Took them a long time, couldn't figure out
why it was that way...
L188[13:02:04] <packbart> hmmyeah, I'll
probably send a new ScanSat to Minmus and ditch the other one if it
arrives. maybe I'll have a seismic thingy set up by new
L189[13:02:42] <packbart> by then, I mean.
d'Oh
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L192[13:18:00] <jUMPSu1t> TRYing to build
a plane, can't get the front laning gr=ear straight
L193[13:18:08] <jUMPSu1t> landing
gear
L194[13:19:03] <jUMPSu1t> how do u take
off
L195[13:19:19] <Althego> activate
symmetry, move it where they overlap, deactivate symmetry, place
part
L196[13:19:20] <jUMPSu1t> Oh yeah...I
forgot to add control surfaces. Wait a sec
L197[13:26:03] <jUMPSu1t> HOW DO U TAKE
OFF
L198[13:26:23] <Althego> move the back
wheels closer to the center of mass
L199[13:26:32] <Althego> then the tail can
press down the back and raise the nose
L200[13:26:45] <Althego> if you dont want
to do that, roll until the end of the runway
L201[13:26:52] <Althego> or use
canards
L202[13:27:01] <Althego> (control surfaces
in the front)
L203[13:36:24] <UmbralRaptop> ^
L205[13:38:12] <Althego> which may not be
practical for ksp, because landing on other planets can require you
wheels as far apart as possible
L206[13:38:38] <JVfoxy> I forgot.. they
ever made tutorials on aircraft in KSP?
L207[13:38:56] <Althego> not usre, they
did make quite useful tutorials for rockets
L208[13:39:08] <Althego> and there is that
big picture that describees everything of the basics
L209[13:39:12] <JVfoxy> ya that part I
wouldn't be too surprised about
L210[13:40:14] <JVfoxy> mind you... I've
made one or two planes out of SRBs before :)
L211[13:42:25] *
UmbralRaptop should try out the tutorials and see if they're any
good these days
L212[13:42:54] <UmbralRaptop> (remember
when the Aeris 4A was tail-heavy?)
L213[13:43:57] <Althego> i remember stock
craft were not very good
L214[13:44:15] <Althego> in fact my first
ssto was crated by changing the tanks on one of the stock
L215[13:45:26] <JVfoxy> heh.. before they
did engine performance caps, I built a SSTO with a command chair.
It could do two full launches orbits and de-orbits before needed
refueling. It was a tiny thing too
L216[13:45:40] <Althego> hehe
L217[13:45:40] <JVfoxy> oh and before
deadly heating effects
L218[13:46:10] <Althego> i remember some
challenge, go to duna and back, then launch the craft that came
back and go to duna and back again
L219[13:46:17] <Althego> some guy did it 3
tiems
L220[13:46:21] <JVfoxy> I tried some of
hte stock craft, I wasn't too impressed
L221[13:46:35] <Althego> but today the
stock planes are ok
L222[13:49:24] <JVfoxy> I've done
creations based around a 737, BAE 4 engined regional jet, something
similar to Vicer VC-10..
L223[13:50:02] <JVfoxy> a few other
things.. nothing super high detail..
L224[13:51:10] <Althego> i am hilariously
bad in copying real designs
L225[13:51:29] <Althego> i get inspiration
from them
L226[13:51:48] <Althego> the best i did is
a replica of b-52 and x-15
L227[13:52:05] <UmbralRaptop> I'd consider
messing around with the Aeris 3 worthwhile.
L228[13:52:06] <Althego> just he x-15
became orbital
L229[13:52:21] <UmbralRaptop> Althego: ah,
the X-20
L230[13:53:09] <Althego> the problem is,
that the planet is so small that if you have the sizes correctly,
everything is really op
L231[13:53:56] <Althego> btw is there any
news on the mini shuttle thing?
L232[13:53:59] <Althego> what is its
name?
L233[13:54:09] <Rokker> which one
L234[13:54:15] <Rokker> X-37B?
L235[13:54:24] <Althego> no nat that
one
L236[13:54:31] <JVfoxy> oh..
L237[13:54:41] <Althego> the private
one
L238[13:54:45] <Rokker> Althego:
Dreamchaser
L239[13:54:48] <Althego> that
L240[13:55:18] <JVfoxy> er ya beat me to
it
L241[13:56:04] <Rokker> no news is good
news on this one
L242[13:56:18] <Rokker> cause otherwise
the news would be a delay
L243[13:56:28] <JVfoxy> according to
wiki.. development still underway, orders for 6
L244[13:57:09] <JVfoxy> first flight
2021
L245[13:57:32] *
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L246[13:57:43] <Althego> hehe
L248[13:59:09] <darsie> also have oxidizer
now for my vernors :).
L249[14:02:28] <JVfoxy> oh.. using some
the mass to turn into fuel
L250[14:02:56] <JVfoxy> keep meaning to
try something in sand box.. bring into high kerbin orbit, turn into
station or something
L251[14:03:21] <Althego> there are
contracts like that
L252[14:03:49] <JVfoxy> ugh.. I"m no
where near able to do something like that career mode
L253[14:04:01] <JVfoxy> rather.. I usually
don't get that far into career before game updates. :\
L254[14:04:06] <Althego> they are more
annoying than useful
L255[14:04:26] <JVfoxy> honestly... I
should hunker down, do that polar station build video
L256[14:06:39] <Althego> i couldnt make a
single video for months. either i was mining in the mackinaw in
eve, or was running the career game in ksp, neither are
interesting
L257[14:07:43] <JVfoxy> my mun mission
sorta halted because trying to figure out if it be worth doing vid
in stock game, or how was even going to go about doing it
L258[14:07:45] <Althego> now i could make
the electric prop and the folding wing plane to duna and eve but i
am still stuck in the career game which was quite advanced when the
update hit
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L260[14:12:46] <JVfoxy> .... ok now I'm
wondering: anyone really gotten around to building a polar station
in stock by flying sections over?
L261[14:13:58] <JVfoxy> lol.. 30 part
limit but ... didn't say I couldn't drop a 30 part plane, park it
off to the side. Drop 30 part station module...
L262[14:14:02] <darsie> Polar, on Kerbins
surface?
L263[14:14:08] <JVfoxy> ya
L264[14:14:35] <JVfoxy> and no, not a 240
part plane/station combo all flow over at once.. not much challenge
there
L265[14:16:30] <darsie> You can keep
playing your games with updates, usually.
L266[14:16:59] <Althego> but the problem
is that it adds science instruments, and i would then need to
deploy those on all biomes
L267[14:17:03] <Althego> maybe next
time
L268[14:18:00] <JVfoxy> usually, major
updates come up, its a copy of the game into itself on my
drive
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L273[14:43:49] <Althego> lol
L274[14:44:12] *
JVfoxy sees Doom Eternal trailer.
L275[14:44:28] *
JVfoxy gets more a kick out of the comments
L276[14:45:05] <JVfoxy> Bethesda:
Announces release date, Playerbase: So when does the soundtrack
come out?
L277[14:47:18] <JVfoxy> anyways.. sorry
bout that
L278[14:48:32] <UmbralRaptop> hah
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L299[16:10:20] <packbart> great, the
scanning arm toppled my Mun lander. It's best not to mount that
thing on the underside :)
L300[16:12:07] <UmbralRaptop>
Rescue^Wservicing mission!
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L355[23:28:02] <JVfoxy> ... anyone linked
the spinning handle on ISS video yet?
L357[23:34:52] <packbart> Service Bays are
awesome. I accidentally jettisoned the heatshield instead of the
decoupler underneath it. the lab and service bay reentered from Mun
even better than with a heatshield
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