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L24[06:17:48] *
JVfoxy dragged KSP-0.23.5 to see what old creations I came up with,
prep work for a video. Instead, I ended up messing around, made a
spaceplane to the station that was already up in one game. We've
got it so easy these days when it comes to buildng things compared
to back then
L26[06:21:01] <JVfoxy> well, for one: no
offset tool, so have to do other techniques
L27[06:32:07] <Althego> the lack of offset
was really annoying
L28[06:32:09] <Althego> place it
L29[06:32:12] <Althego> ohm not here
L30[06:32:15] <Althego> place it
again
L31[06:32:16] <Althego> too much
L32[06:32:19] <Althego> place it
again...
L33[06:33:36] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't like
the quantization of the offset tool. often when i'm applying an
offset, the first thing it does is jump to a completely different
position than the original
L34[06:33:49] <Althego> press c
L35[06:34:03] <Eddi|zuHause> what does that
do?
L36[06:34:35] <Althego> what it does
anywhere else
L37[06:34:38] <Althego> turns off
snap
L38[06:34:52] <Eddi|zuHause> but that's not
what i want either
L39[06:35:25] <Eddi|zuHause> it's fine that
it's quantized. but the original position should be the origin
point of the grid
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L41[06:45:03] <JVfoxy> eh... -loads up the
other 0.23.5 with B9, first get around the 'files locked, don't
have permissions' bug...
L42[06:45:29] <JVfoxy> secondly, once its
loaded: whoa.. jeb you gained weight? Oh.. n/m, old graphics
setting made screen stupid wide
L43[06:46:27] <Althego> hehe
L44[06:47:12] <JVfoxy> ah ya.. the offset
thing. Wanted to stick a shielded docking port on the roof the
spaceplane. seperate the fuel tanks, put that flat plate node thing
on the back surface, tilt it up. Stick the dockking port on top.
Attempt to reconnect the back half of the ship.
L45[06:47:21] <JVfoxy> get frustrated
because game refuses clipping
L46[06:47:56] <JVfoxy> take that flat node
thing off, pan camera 'inside' ship to see the same surface again,
then reattach the node.
L47[06:48:31] <JVfoxy> btw.. how did we
deal with landing gear while not having offset way back then?
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L49[06:53:21] <Althego> probably didnt
offset them
L50[06:53:34] <Althego> rotation was
possible
L51[06:55:16] <JVfoxy> little test I did,
had to use a few tricks. Mostly attaching to a vertical surface,
with it rotated the right way, where I could offset it before
connecting it.
L52[06:56:01] <Althego> the omnipotent
cubic octagonal struts it is then
L53[07:00:06] <JVfoxy> actually those were
more useless back then, since you could only connect to exposed
nodes
L54[07:03:26] <Althego> they were always
useful
L55[07:03:31] <Althego> and still are
L56[07:03:37] <Althego> the best part in
the game
L57[07:05:15] <JVfoxy> ... oh wait.
thinking wrong part
L58[07:05:26] <JVfoxy> the truss thing.. I
was thinking that weird cube thing instead
L60[07:06:10] <Althego> now if they could
just add several length of this
L61[07:06:19] <Althego> purely because of
part count
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L69[08:43:44] <Wastl2> Eddi: you can switch
the tool to local mode.
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L72[09:27:23] <darsie> Althego: Those are
in RO or so. I guess you could copy them over somehow.
L73[09:37:15] <Mat2ch> hrm. What I just
realized is that Scott Manley did not do any video about the
DLC...
L74[09:37:17] <Mat2ch> that's odd
L75[09:39:33] <sandbox> I thought he posted
something to twitter
L76[09:54:01] <UmbralRaptop> Did he get
distracted by an РБМК again?
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L78[09:57:20] <sandbox> I think he hasn't
had a lot of free time lately
L80[09:57:43] <kmath> <DJSnM> With
the new Breaking Ground DLC released there's a sale on the Core
Kerbal Space Program - $9.99 - the cheapest it…
https://t.co/aBg6WMaxsY
L81[09:58:01] <sandbox> "Of course,
that doesn't include free time to play it"
L82[09:58:16] <Althego> hehe
L83[09:58:19] <UmbralRaptop> whelp
L84[09:58:47] <UmbralRaptop> Obviously we
need an expansion that permits closed tinelike curves
L86[09:59:13] <kmath> <DJSnM> With
the new @KerbalSpaceP DLC you can now actuate the aerodynamic
surfaces on your rockets like @elonmusk proposes…
https://t.co/SwacUIcaNu
L89[09:59:49] <kmath> <✔KerbalSpaceP>
Look at this fantastic recreation of @virgingalactic's SpaceShipTwo
built by @DJSnM using the new robotics feature…
https://t.co/fvSawoCyuy
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L92[10:25:40] <kmath> YouTube - Seeing
2020
L94[10:25:48] <Althego> if that is the
rover it doesnt look good
L95[10:27:31] <Althego> i can recognize the
body and the high gain antenna
L96[10:27:42] <UmbralRaptop> As long as its
wheels don't get torn up…
L97[10:28:07] <Althego> supposedly bettter
wheels
L98[10:29:11] <Althego> oh wait i can see
the mastcam too
L99[10:29:46] <Althego> actually it may be
in a better state than i thought
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L108[12:58:19] <kmath> YouTube - Exploring
new Features with the KSP Breaking Ground DLC
L109[13:02:55] <UmbralRaptop> Yay
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L112[13:10:14] <Althego> so implicitly i
got my electric props
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L114[13:12:16] <UmbralRaptop> ?
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L118[13:31:30] <lordcirth> LOL just landed
on Mun with 4 m/s to spare
L119[13:31:36] <Althego> hehe
L120[13:31:59] <lordcirth> And in 4x
scale. The lander detached in LMO with 1700m/s
L121[13:32:17] <Althego> there was a
rescue mission, from munar orbit. i also landed with the kerbal on
the mun because of xp. arrived back with 40 to spare
L122[13:32:42] <UmbralRaptop> 4 m/s… Do
you have an ascent stage?
L123[13:33:03] <lordcirth> UmbralRaptop,
it's a probe, transmissible science only
L124[13:33:28] <UmbralRaptop> Fair
enough
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L126[13:34:44] <lordcirth> A probe that
can return samples from LMO is next, then landed samples, *then*
manned. Kerbalism + PBC.
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L133[14:02:30] <SpaceFan456> Is getting a
craft above 12k dV worth it?
L134[14:02:53] <SpaceFan456> I'm not
really sure how to do it with out bad TWR
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L138[14:21:37] <lordcirth> SpaceFan456,
you mean in a single stage?
L139[14:21:42] <UmbralRaptop> Depends on
the mission
L140[14:22:02] <SpaceFan456> I'm trying to
make a better ship for Dres
L141[14:22:35] <Althego> but dres doesnt
need 12k delta v
L142[14:22:47] <SpaceFan456> It does when
you are bad at the game lol
L143[14:22:52] <Althego> and nobody ever
goes to dres :)
L144[14:23:21] <UmbralRaptop> I mean, the
mass ratio will be kinda rough unless that's mostly nuclear or
ion
L146[14:24:09] <kmath> YouTube - Kerbal
Space Program - Why You Never Visit Dres
L147[14:26:21] <SpaceFan456> lol nice dres
video
L148[14:29:07] <Althego> since then there
are the dresteroids, but i they are not worth it
L149[14:29:12] <Neal> that video reminded
me of the time I landed on the sun
L150[14:29:16] <Neal> that was
interesting
L151[14:29:21] <Althego> so dont go to
dres, go to jool
L152[14:31:24] <Althego> there was a video
where one guy planted a flag on jool
L153[14:31:58] <Neal> I eventually got my
descent rate so low that it counted as "landed" and it
autosaved
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L155[14:33:57] <UmbralRaptop> hah
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L157[14:40:14] <Althego> is this channel
dying?
L158[14:40:28] <umaxtu_mobile> we're all
dying
L159[14:40:31] <SpaceFan456> people were
asleep for a while before
L160[14:40:37] <Althego> i feel the
conversations are becoming rare
L161[14:40:40] <SpaceFan456> I am trying
to make an example craft lol
L163[14:46:46] <Althego> not very
aerodynamix
L164[14:47:03] <SpaceFan456> just an
example craft. I put 4.3 tons on it
L165[14:47:14] <SpaceFan456> just to have
a payload
L166[14:47:16] <Althego> it was ok in the
soup days, in fact any nose cone you added, just increased the
drag. but with the current stock aero it doesnt look too good
L168[14:52:32] <UmbralRaptop> Hrm. I'd
guess a bit high TWR on that second stage. Probably worth setting
up a fairing and possibly putting a bit more fuel on the last
stage
L169[14:55:00] <SpaceFan456> so like 1.8
TWR on stage 1 and 1ish for stage 2?
L170[14:55:01] <Althego> so it seems the
16 core amd beast is real. with only 3.6 ghz base clock
though
L171[14:55:05] <Althego> 3.5
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L175[15:07:55] <UmbralRaptop> something
like that
L176[15:09:00] <umaxtu_mobile> that seems
pretty high for 16 cores.
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L178[15:13:43] <SpaceFan456> damn with a
4.3 ton payload I can only seem to get 9k dV
L179[15:18:35] <darsie> SpaceFan456:
Refuel in orbit.
L180[15:19:18] <darsie> Or use
xenon.
L181[15:20:25] <darsie> Or Nerv
L182[15:32:27] <SpaceFan456>
@<Althego> but can it run crysis?
L183[15:34:48] <UmbralRaptop> What darsie
typed
L184[15:35:16] <UmbralRaptop> especially
the nerv (or at least is the final stage 340+ s?)
L185[15:36:04] <UmbralRaptop> Also, Crysis
is 12 years old. I'd hope that we haven't failed so badly at
computers that modern ones can't run it.
L186[15:38:49] <darsie> SpaceFan456:
Getting a lab to Dres is ambitious, but not necessary.
L187[15:39:24] <darsie> Oh, that's a
refinary, not a lab, I forgot.
L188[15:40:04] <darsie> SpaceFan456: You
can refuel at asteroids. If you bring an IR telescope you can find
nearby ones.
L189[15:40:37] <SpaceFan456> lab is only
.75 tons lighter but it would require the science gear, so around
the same weight
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L191[15:41:29] <SpaceFan456> I have a
mining and refining vessel on dres but that was kind of just sent
up there for like 280k
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L194[15:51:49] <SpaceFan456> nice, that is
a complex craft!
L195[15:52:45] <darsie> yeah
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L204[16:37:21] <SpaceFan456> well then...
spent all this time planning a vehicle to get to dres and back.
Mission only wanted a fly by
L205[16:38:16] <UmbralRaptop> oops
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L208[16:44:04] <jUMPSu1t> Hi
L209[16:44:09] <SpaceFan456> sup?
L210[16:44:12] <UmbralRaptop> lo
L211[16:44:15] <jUMPSu1t> Im bored
L212[16:44:26] <SpaceFan456> why?
L213[16:44:30] <sandbox> go to dres
L214[16:44:32] <jUMPSu1t> cause
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L216[16:45:16] <UmbralRaptop> …
L217[16:45:41] <SpaceFan456> Dres is
annoying, too many hot girls here
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L219[16:47:10] <jUMPSu1t> I assume that
the odd black piece of debris that doesn't have a name is a
monolith?
L220[16:47:19] <jUMPSu1t> Watched a vid
about it this morning
L221[16:47:38] <SpaceFan456> like aliens
made it?
L222[16:47:44] <jUMPSu1t> I feel stupid bc
I've been building cars to drive to it for the past few days
L223[16:47:55] <jUMPSu1t> Thinking it was
a fuel tank or something
L224[16:48:07] <jUMPSu1t> No, the odd
black monoliths
L225[16:48:38] <UmbralRaptop> yeah,
they're monoliths.
L227[16:48:40] <kmath> YouTube - KSP -
Monolith + Secret Base!
L228[16:49:11] *
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Dres
L229[16:49:24] <jUMPSu1t> Ok...I think
there's a traction problem with my wheels, cause they keep rearing
and flipping
L230[16:49:33] <jUMPSu1t> What's the
star
L231[16:49:47] <jUMPSu1t> Also why does
everyone hate Dres?
L232[16:49:49] <SpaceFan456> Idk, just
never been to dres so I am checking it out for no real reason, also
doing a mission
L233[16:49:55] <UmbralRaptop> actions.
type "/me action"
L234[16:49:59] *
UmbralRaptop action
L235[16:50:06] *
jUMPSu1t action
L236[16:50:20] <UmbralRaptop> Hating on
Dres is a meme for silly reasons
L237[16:50:26] <jUMPSu1t> ok yeh
L238[16:50:48] <jUMPSu1t>
qmapzlwnskxoendjcirbvhfutyg
L239[16:50:50] <UmbralRaptop> For rovers,
try making them front wheel drive?
L240[16:50:55] <jUMPSu1t> huh
L241[16:51:01] <jUMPSu1t> you can do
that
L242[16:51:02] *
UmbralRaptop blinks
L243[16:51:20] <UmbralRaptop> Yeah, turn
off power to the rear wheels
L244[16:51:30] *
jUMPSu1t is a noob (and she knows it)
L245[16:51:56] *
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L246[16:52:29] <jUMPSu1t> Ok, will making
a six-wheel design help?
L247[16:53:38] <UmbralRaptop> possibly.
Try keeping three center of mass low and making it wide and long in
general?
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L249[16:54:11] <SpaceFan456> have rovers
gotten better?
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L251[16:58:21] <jUMPSu1t> qqq
L252[16:58:23] <jUMPSu1t> www
L253[16:58:24] <jUMPSu1t> eeeer
L254[16:58:24] <jUMPSu1t> r
L255[16:58:24] <jUMPSu1t> t
L256[16:58:25] <jUMPSu1t> t
L257[16:58:25] <jUMPSu1t> y
L258[16:58:25] <jUMPSu1t> u
L259[16:58:26] <jUMPSu1t> i
L260[16:58:26] <jUMPSu1t> o
L261[16:58:27] <jUMPSu1t> p
L262[16:58:27] <jUMPSu1t> a
L263[16:58:27] <jUMPSu1t> s
L264[16:58:28] <jUMPSu1t> d
L265[16:58:28] <jUMPSu1t> f
L266[16:58:29] <jUMPSu1t> g
L267[16:58:29] <jUMPSu1t> h
L268[16:58:29] <jUMPSu1t> j
L269[16:58:30] <jUMPSu1t> k
L270[16:58:30] <jUMPSu1t> l
L271[16:58:31] <jUMPSu1t> z
L272[16:58:31] <jUMPSu1t> x
L273[16:58:32] <jUMPSu1t> c
L274[16:58:32] <jUMPSu1t> v
L275[16:58:32] <jUMPSu1t> b
L276[16:58:33] <jUMPSu1t> n
L277[16:58:34] <jUMPSu1t> m
L278[16:58:37] <Guest64379> uhhhh
L279[16:58:38] <jUMPSu1t> sorry
L280[16:58:44] <jUMPSu1t> Im bored
ok
L281[16:58:55] <jUMPSu1t> And leaving in
like 1 min so can't play ksp
L282[16:59:14] <jUMPSu1t> Although I
really, really wish I could
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L284[17:01:40] <UmbralRaptop> blarg
L285[17:01:57] <UmbralRaptop> … ping ops
next time someone does that?
L286[17:05:50] <SpaceFan456> LMAO I used a
robotic arm \ hinges to align and connect my docking port and the
krakken went wild
L287[17:06:03] <umaxtu> figures
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L293[17:25:57] <SpaceFan456> That was a
pain in the ass lol
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L311[18:30:43] <packbart> the scientist
promises to turn it into hundreds of science points. better send
another one
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L318[18:56:35] <SpaceFan456> It was weird
for me. Only about half of the saved science got transferred
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L331[19:57:31] <packbart> man, those
ground science messages disappear too fast for me to read them and
they don't seem to be stored in the science archive
L332[19:58:11] <packbart> I crashed a
probe into the moon near the seismic thingy and apparently got some
science out of it. and something about attenuation
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L339[21:32:09] <packbart> heh, a Kerbal's
shadow in IVA is headless
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L349[23:36:13] <Neal> does the orbit
editor allow you to place your vessel into an orbit that collides
with the atmosphere?
L350[23:38:37] <Neal> it doesn't seem to
want to let me put it even at 70km
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L352[23:40:13] <Neal> ok the orbit editor
is just broken
L353[23:42:50] <Althego> not broken it
just doesnt allow too low orbits
L354[23:43:31] <Neal> it's broken in other
ways
L355[23:44:09] <Althego> i never wanted
really precise orbits, i just wanted to test ships areound the
target planet. it was good forthat
L356[23:44:31] <Althego> before the editor
i hadto cheat them there
L357[23:44:39] <Althego> by editing the
save files
L358[23:45:36] <Neal> currently it is
saying -6.86749943178055E+15 is the lowest safe sma for
kerbin
L359[23:45:45] <Althego> hehe
L360[23:46:22] <UmbralRaptop> uh
L361[23:51:08] <Neal> the kraken is strong
with this one
L362[23:51:12] <UmbralRaptop> I guess
deeply negative sma silliness? (which is just barely
hyperbolic)
L363[23:52:05] <Neal> all of my vessels
are getting kraken-quakes