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L33[05:04:13] <sandbox> I think maybe I've
seen that before
L34[05:05:49] <JVFoxy> a week ago, I came
across pics of the model they built for the tintin comic and
animation.. he wanted to make sure he got things just
perfect..
L35[05:06:01] <JVFoxy> er model of the
rocket that is.
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L38[05:43:59] <Mat2ch> That's so 2016
L39[05:48:50] <JVFoxy> Hipsters?
L40[05:49:26] <Rolf> 2016 indeed lol
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science1
L57[08:41:13] <packbart> this [X] Science
mod is quite handy
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L66[11:22:42] <Althego> i was so busy
playing ksp i forgot about real launches
L67[11:22:57] <Althego> but next spacex is
almost a week away
L68[11:28:00] <UmbralRaptop> Yay,
lightsail-2
L69[11:28:18] <flayer> i'm just waiting
until we go back to the moon
L70[11:29:42] <UmbralRaptop> We (the US)
have had at least one orbiter there for the past decade
L71[11:30:03] <UmbralRaptop> LCROSS, LRO,
GRAIL, LADEE…
L72[11:34:38] <flayer> i'm just waiting
until humans walk on the moon again
L73[11:34:44] <Mat2ch> On the other side:
There is a laser loop experiment which produces thrust, but
shouldn't. Not yet published, though.
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L77[12:11:51] <Althego> scott
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L79[12:19:31] <Mat2ch> hm. I skip his
videos lately. I was there for the fun stuff, not to get educated
;)
L80[12:19:40] <Mat2ch> also it's too
hot.
L81[12:24:47] <packbart> don't yoz just
hate it when the Science Jr. blows up on reentry and seperates the
pod+chute from the service bay with the SAS core and the valuable
sensor data
L82[12:25:40] <packbart> at least Bob made
it back safe and most science data was already transmitted
L83[12:28:50] <packbart> noooez. and then
KSP froze when I clicked "recover vessel"
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L87[12:50:55] <ironpenguin> ...Blargh.
Spent the better part of 30 minutes fine tuning an orbit for a
satellite contract getting increasingly incredulous about the
concept of reasonable deviation...Only to realize that oops, orbits
the wrong direction.
L88[12:52:04] <Mat2ch> we all have done
this. ;)
L89[12:52:31] <Mat2ch> Luckily those orbits
are most of the time high enough to require only a few dV to turn
around...
L90[12:55:40] <Althego> hehe, we have all
been there
L91[12:56:35] <darsie> Yeah, I did it, too.
Maybe not that precisely :).
L92[12:58:38] <darsie> With solar orbits I
intentionally burn a bit less than getting there precisely to save
fuel.
L93[12:58:40] *
packbart never played career long enough to get satellite contracts
;)
L94[12:59:18] <darsie> packbart: What else
are you doing?
L95[13:01:08] <packbart> sandboxing my own
challenges. "I wonder if this would work..." and then
spending much time in the VAB designing crafts
L96[13:01:38] <packbart> I just started a
new science game today, though
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L100[13:03:46] <darsie> packbart: You can
make all the money you need with IR telescope contracts and make
enough science to complete the tech tree with a mobile processing
lab and some sensors on Minmus.
L101[13:06:22] <packbart> I have a sandbox
with stations and asteroid mining and busy shuttles ferrying stuff
around. one day, I'll turn it into sort of a model railroad with
just some kRPC script planning and executing manoeuvers
L102[13:09:34] <packbart> ah. that reminds
me to put the estonian birds nest back on the idle wall display (
http://tv.eenet.ee/ )
L103[13:10:37] <packbart> hmm. apparently
down right now :(
L104[13:12:12] <packbart> no. still
works
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L110[13:32:58] <APlayer> o/
L111[13:38:42] <sandbox> o/
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L117[14:00:06] <Althego> recovered a poor
kerbal from munar orbit. also landed and collected science from the
mun. had 40 m/s delta v remaining
L118[14:00:12] <Althego> bit vutting
vlose
L119[14:28:54] <ironpenguin> ...Well. That
went better then expected. Ran out of fuel landing a probe on mun,
but then pulled a mostly successful lithobrake. End result, lost
the engine, landing gear, fuel tank, and one of three solar
panels.
L120[14:29:38] <Althego> hehe
L121[14:35:15] <UmbralRaptop> Acquire
data, and then a rescue mission?
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L124[14:43:40] <Neal> are there any mods
that show an accurate number for suicide burn countdown?
L125[14:43:51] <Althego> ker should do
it
L126[14:43:55] <Neal> kerbal engineer only
factors in vertical velocity into its countdown
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L140[15:45:07] <kmath> <✔johnwenz>
It doesn’t matter if Pluto is a planet or not. We should still blow
it up.
L141[15:48:31] <Rolf> ah but is it
ex-planet or ex-dwarf planet?
L142[15:50:45] <UmbralRaptop> Argue too
much and we'll make sure that there are only seven planets
L143[15:51:23] <nate> ... but there
already are only seven planets at the moment >.>
L144[15:51:44] <UmbralRaptop> uh
L145[15:52:23] <UmbralRaptop> nate: did
you accidentally one of them?
L146[15:53:17] <nate> For some reason I
thought I recalled them changing the size to where it included
mercury also
L147[15:53:24] <nate> w/ pluto I
mean
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L149[15:54:45] <UmbralRaptop> Nah, mercury
has cleared its neighborhood
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L151[15:55:06] <UmbralRaptop> Pluto and
the like get slapped around by Neptune
L152[15:55:58] <Rolf> one of issues they
had was that its either 8 planets or 200+
L153[15:56:07] <Rolf> theres lot of pluto
sized rocks
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L155[15:56:26] <Rolf> so they figured
rules that would include from what we call planets
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L157[15:56:48] <nate> Rolf: Well it was
originally the orbital pattern that defined it, which is why they
even talked about ceres being defined a planet at one point
L158[15:57:04] <Eddi|zuHause> hm... the
new stellaris update crashes my whole X-server
L159[15:57:06] <Rolf> i recall that
yeah
L160[15:57:14] <nate> but then they
changed the rules on mass and shit and were like "well pluto
is smaller than our moon so why is it a planet?" even though
pluto has an orbit and it's own moon like other 'planets'
L161[15:57:42] <Rolf> honestly im fine
with current rules
L162[15:57:48] <Rolf> i dont wanna
memorize 200 planets lol
L163[15:57:56] <nate> We wouldn't really
have 200
L164[15:58:09] <nate> I think last I was
aware if we went by the classic planetary definition we'd have like
12
L165[15:58:31] <nate> Ceres would be one,
as would Eris and I think we got another one they're looking at we
discovered recently?
L166[15:58:59] <nate> But they're still
not sure if it's an actual orbital of our system or just something
sorta hanging around on a slingshot orbit
L167[15:59:13] <nate> cause that's the
goofy one that goes like SUPER far out and then comes in real
close
L168[15:59:34] <UmbralRaptop> Haumea,
Makemake, and Sedna. If you go with Stern et al on size being the
only factor, there are 7 moons larger than Pluto…
L169[16:00:21] <UmbralRaptop> Also, a fair
number of smaller ones in hydrostatic equilibrium (everything Mimas
sized or larger)
L170[16:01:00] <APlayer> What speaks
against planets orbiting other planets? I mean, if you include
stars and moons, you may have a planet in orbit of a planet in
orbit of a planet
L171[16:01:23] <Rolf> that would mean moon
is a planet too
L172[16:01:31] <nate> Ah I thought
Makemake and Haumea were moons in a loose orbit of others (Haumea
around Neptune and Makemake of Ceres)
L173[16:01:32] <Rolf> its quite a bit
bigger than pluto.
L174[16:01:54] <nate> Yeah but that's why
the older definition went by orbital model than size (ie; is it
orbiting another body or the sun)
L175[16:02:36] <nate> And I guess those
were the two things that hit poor pluto is that it's tiny and while
it does orbit the sun, neptune apparently impacts it's orbit
so
L176[16:02:42] <Fluburtur> I have a
microwave transformer but I dont want to die so I might make a high
amps thing
L177[16:02:46] <APlayer> Which inevitably
leads to the question: Are sub-moons a thing?
L178[16:02:54] <Rolf> and dont forget
cereon
L179[16:03:05] <Rolf> its huge in scale
compared to pluto
L180[16:03:37] <nate> Cereon...?
L181[16:03:42] <nate> Or you mean
ceres?
L182[16:03:55] <Rolf> charon
L183[16:04:08] <APlayer> Chares
L184[16:04:11] <nate> Yeah but it orbits
pluto :P
L186[16:04:25] <Rolf> common point is
outside pluto
L187[16:04:37] <UmbralRaptop> barycenter
silliness
L188[16:05:00] <APlayer> "Locked in
an eternal dance around each other"
L189[16:05:08] <Rolf> essentally.
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L191[16:06:35] <nate>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charon_(moon)#/media/File:Animation_of_moons_of_Pluto_-_Front_view.gif
as far as I'm concerned pluto is just doing a dance swing with
charon all titanic style
L193[16:06:43] <nate> (I forget the exact
name of that)
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L198[16:30:43] <Eddi|zuHause> if the
center of gravity is outside the body of pluto, is it actually a
binary system rather than a planet-moon pair?
L199[16:33:11] <UmbralRaptop> Binary dwarf
planet system
L200[16:33:12] <Eddi|zuHause> <nate>
but then they changed the rules on mass and shit and were like
"well pluto is smaller than our moon so why is it a
planet?" <-- i don't think the mass ever was a problem...
after all there are moons larger than mercury, and mercury is still
a planet
L201[16:34:01] <umaxtu> doesn't seem super
fair. Our moon is pretty darn big as moons go
L202[16:38:48] <Eddi|zuHause> it is,
especially if you consider moon-planet ratio
L203[16:39:50] <Eddi|zuHause> but the
thing that killed pluto being a planet was that they found a kuiper
belt object even larger than pluto
L204[16:40:09] <Eddi|zuHause> which is why
they added the "must have cleared its orbit" rule
L205[16:40:16] <Eddi|zuHause> which i
don't agree with, btw.
L206[16:42:12] <umaxtu> I just think Pluto
should've been grandfathered in
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L210[16:49:49] <nate> Eddi|zuHause:
Careful quoting my line lol, I unfortunately said a word I
shouldn't have :P
L211[16:50:07] <nate> And at least as far
as I recalled mass was one of the major factors involved
L212[16:50:42] <APlayer> I kind of ignored
the second time I received the notification. I guess that is a grey
zone in the rules :P
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never careful with those kinds of word, they don't even register
for me
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L239[18:09:16] <TheKosmonaut>
Eddi|zuHause: well you would know better by now in this
channel
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L261[22:18:41] <MunCheese> Hey guys!
Finally got KSP and launched my first rocket...SSTO, just an SRB
with a MK1 capsule...Had Valentina do an EVA, capsule instantly
exploded. Really confused.
L262[22:19:13] <MunCheese> Didn't even let
go.
L263[22:26:50] <Eddi|zuHause>
TheKosmonaut: turns out, no.
L264[22:28:06] <MunCheese> How do you
delete parts that you don't need? My VAB has a bunch of un-used
decouplers bc I couldn't find one that fits my second stage
lololololol
L265[22:29:36] <Eddi|zuHause> MunCheese:
you drop them on the panel where you bought them
L266[22:32:20] <MunCheese> oooohhhhhh...
makes sense. Which decoupler do I use for the Jumbo-64
tank???
L267[22:36:08] <TheKosmonaut>
Eddi|zuHause: well you should
L268[22:36:30] <Eddi|zuHause> there's
decouplers that decouplers which push away one part and stay
attached to the other part, and separators, which detach from both
sides and ddrift away as a single debris part. and then for each
size (0.625m, 1.25m, 2.5m, 3.75m)
L269[22:37:35] <MunCheese> I want a
decoupler, trust me. And sereoiusly what is the Jumbo-64
diameter???
L270[22:37:42] <Eddi|zuHause>
TheKosmonaut: we've had this discussion before, and i don't see it
happening...
L271[22:38:44] <Eddi|zuHause> MunCheese: i
always found it a bit bad that it doesn't say the dimensions of a
part in the description
L272[22:39:24] <MunCheese> I know, right!
I should take that to the developers.
L273[22:39:47] <TheKosmonaut> Ok
L274[22:39:55] <MunCheese> Eddi|zuHause:
It's the most annoying thing.
L275[22:40:14] <MunCheese> Btw i was
joking...BUT SEROIUSLY. WHAT IS THE TANK DIAMETER??!!
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L277[22:41:37] <MunCheese> OK...did some
experimentation and it turns out it's the TS-25.
L279[22:42:07] <Guest12388> and I cannot
complete it
L280[22:42:09] <Guest12388> any
idea?
L281[22:44:14] <TheKosmonaut> Hmm
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L283[22:44:31] <Guest81117> o/
L284[22:45:20] <Guest12388> I've just
deployed the parts, then after launching the probe (it didn't have
network) and time warping a bit it jumped to 700%
L285[22:46:11] <Guest12388> I think I'll
just use the cheat menu
L286[22:48:28] <TheKosmonaut> Guest12388:
strange. What if you reload to before
L287[22:48:44] <TheKosmonaut> Guest81117:
hello
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L289[22:56:08] <Guest12388> TheKosmonaut
reload to before I've started the mission? too late I have already
restarted the game a couple times trying to debug it
L291[23:00:06] <TheKosmonaut> Could
be
L292[23:00:11] <MunCheese> guys? cusrsor
disappeared...kind of important to get Jeb out of the
ocean...rocket misfired, so I yeeted the capsule off.
L293[23:01:23] <MunCheese> Guys?
L294[23:01:54] <TheKosmonaut> MunCheese:
your cursor is missing?
L295[23:01:56] <MunCheese> My cursor
disappeared! I'd ask the KSPedia, but like I just said...
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L297[23:02:10] <MunCheese> Well, on KSP at
least...
L298[23:02:22] <MunCheese> Also, are you
Russian?
L299[23:02:25] <TheKosmonaut> No
L300[23:02:29] <Guest81117> lol
L301[23:02:30] <MunCheese> oh
L302[23:02:36] <TheKosmonaut> Russia is a
couple hours away
L303[23:02:37] <MunCheese> Just a
nickname?
L304[23:02:52] <MunCheese> Wait...whaere
DO you live?
L305[23:03:09] <TheKosmonaut> If we had to
fit the description of our Nicks then you have some explaining to
do
L306[23:03:14] <TheKosmonaut> Japan
L307[23:03:14] <MunCheese> And how do I
make my cursor appear again?
L308[23:03:18] <Guest81117> LOL
L309[23:03:26] <Guest81117> which cursor
Mun?
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L311[23:03:33] <MunCheese> Ohhhh...yeah.
The MunCheese thing.
L312[23:03:37] <TheKosmonaut> Did it
disappear suddenly or did you alt tab out?
L313[23:03:59] <MunCheese> Uhhhh...what?
It's my first day in KSP, you kno.
L314[23:04:46] <MunCheese> Probably did
that...I went into Jeb's capsule, then I noticed I could move the
camera with my cursor, which oddly wasn't there.
L315[23:05:04] <TheKosmonaut> Oh. Try
middle mouse button?
L316[23:05:07] <TheKosmonaut> Click it
once
L317[23:05:12] <Guest81117> That's mouse
look, there won't be a cursor in IVA IIRC
L318[23:05:25] <MunCheese> I'm playing on
a laptop.
L319[23:05:34] <TheKosmonaut> MunCheese:
Mac or win?
L320[23:05:39] <MunCheese> Mac
L321[23:05:47] <Guest81117> Hit C, that
will go back to external view, you should get a cursor back
then
L322[23:06:05] <MunCheese> Did that
already, does the exact same thing except outside
L323[23:06:11] <TheKosmonaut> Try three
finger click or maybe just press escape one time and see if the
cursor reappears
L324[23:06:18] <MunCheese> Ok...
L325[23:06:19] <Guest81117> Oh, I know, I
have this same bug some times
L326[23:06:26] <Guest81117> right
click
L327[23:06:34] <Guest81117> that should
bring it back in external view
L328[23:06:42] <MunCheese> Oh! Esc did
it... now I can pluck Jeb out of the ocean
L329[23:06:47] <Guest81117> yay!
L330[23:07:26] <MunCheese> I think I know
whay it didn't go...you're supposed to hit Z before Space,
right?
L331[23:07:45] <Guest81117> Yes
L332[23:07:53] <Guest81117> Throttle up
first, then go
L333[23:08:22] <Guest81117> Or if your
rocket is balanced well enough, you can pucker for a second after
hitting space, then throttle up
L334[23:08:32] <MunCheese> Oh, yeah. Then
when I hit Space again, my second stage fired. Opened the chutes
and ditched in the ocean, that's how I got in my current
situation.
L335[23:08:43] <Guest81117> Happens
L336[23:08:47] <Guest81117> welcome to KSP
:D
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L338[23:10:08] <Gargamel> There we go....
better fit
L339[23:10:14] <TheKosmonaut> aha
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L342[23:12:12] <MunCheese> The thing still
doesn't launch...am I too heavy or do I just need to wait
more?
L343[23:12:26] <Gargamel> might need to
post some pics
L344[23:12:35] <MunCheese>
Alright...
L345[23:12:39] <Gargamel> Engines in KSP
are instant
L346[23:12:52] <Gargamel> so waiting won't
help, there isn't a throttle up period
L347[23:13:43] <Gargamel> You probably
don't have enough thrust
L348[23:13:51] <JVFoxy> ... check yo
stage'n - Scott Manley
L349[23:13:51] <Gargamel> Moar
Boosters!
L350[23:15:12] <MunCheese> Alright
L351[23:15:23] <JVFoxy> Gargamel: in my
case.. kind of where I differ from most players. I fiddle with
designs a bit rather than putting on more boosters as first thing
to do
L352[23:15:26] <MunCheese> Let me see what
engine I currently have
L353[23:16:04] <Gargamel> True JV, but
early on, overpowering till you learn to fly is one of the easier
routes to take. I fiddle too
L354[23:16:28] <Gargamel> And it's more
fun :)
L355[23:17:21] <MunCheese> I just have a
Swivel on the back. I figured more control is better for beginners
than more thrust.
L356[23:17:22] <JVFoxy> plane I made, can
over heat in low altittude if I'm not careful.. it only uses two
panther engines
L357[23:19:34] <MunCheese> Interesting
possible solution...downsizing S2 tank. I used the same one for
both stages, but for the second I don't need much fuel.
L358[23:19:54] <MunCheese> So...X is for
cutting the throttle, right?
L359[23:20:29] <JVFoxy> I made something
similar to a proton rocket, to launch early mk1-3 service craft..
though I added a reliant engine to the center core to help with TWR
at the early phase
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L361[23:28:46] <Gargamel> Nah, you need
enough power to get your rocket off the ground. Each engine has
it's best place for it to be used
L362[23:29:23] <Gargamel> I'd post in the
forums Gameplay questions asking for help building your rocket.
You'll get a lot of good answers there
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