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L1[00:11:05] <Althego> hehe, i was watching
a nonsequitur video, and at the and they mentioned louis rossmann
and both kyle and aronra knew about him
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L10[02:48:22] <Eddi|zuHause> who?
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L32[06:32:50] <UmbralRaptor> Althego: the
mom cat isn't wrong
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L47[08:48:21] <GlassYuri> have you ever had
a bug where a scroll bar fissions into two parts that move away
from each other at exponentially decreasing speed?
L48[08:50:59] <GlassYuri> (not KSP,
happened at work)
L49[08:51:12] <GlassYuri> I think that will
be my favorite bug in a long time
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L58[09:20:10] *
UmbralRaptor has not
L60[09:21:32] <JVFoxy> oof
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L74[12:24:33] <flayer> i'm going to try to
keep a research lab in solar orbit near kerbin
L75[12:25:10] <flayer> but i'm afraid of
doing a rendezvous for crew rotation
L76[12:25:50] <Althego> encounters in solar
orbit are a lot harder to make
L77[12:26:18] <flayer> indeed, and i need
it to be a short(ish) trip
L78[12:26:30] <flayer> 20-30 days at
most
L79[12:26:49] <flayer> we'll see
L80[12:27:00] <Eddi|zuHause> if only there
were lagrange points? :)
L81[12:27:07] <flayer> If only.
L82[12:27:10] <Althego> in ksp 2
L83[12:27:34] <Althego> in unreal
engine
L84[12:28:28] <Eddi|zuHause> when unreal
engine includes a mechanism to solve multidimensional differential
equations?
L85[12:28:39] <UmbralRaptor> I mean, you
can exploit the current system to park a station just outside of
Kerbin's SOI
L86[12:29:06] <Althego> but you know where
the lagrange points are
L87[12:29:13] <Althego> so you could kind
of simulate them
L88[12:29:22] <Althego> adding them
artificially instead of really computing it
L89[12:29:49] <Althego> the same way in
reality there is no hard limit for soi, bat that is also an
approximation
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L91[12:29:57] <Althego> yes that is the
correct way
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L93[12:30:53] <Eddi|zuHause> i've never
really looked at the differential equations for multi body physics,
or how expensive they would be computationally
L94[12:31:48] <Althego> they are not that
bad. but you have to compute them for every time, instead of just
running t in the solution as ksp does now
L95[12:32:41] <Eddi|zuHause> there's three
layers of that going on, first layer is the planets/moons how they
move, second layer is your vehicles how they move, and third layer
is the prediction how your vehicle will move through
maneuvers/patched conics/...
L96[12:33:16] <Althego> if you do a
complete computation, these are all the same
L97[12:34:17] <Eddi|zuHause> but not all
these results need to be available at the same time
L98[12:34:57] <Althego> you can neglect the
vehicle's influence on the solar system
L99[12:35:18] <Eddi|zuHause> well, that's
an obvious optimization :)
L100[12:35:24] <Althego> the big issue is
the prediction. ksp now can predict infinitely
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L102[12:35:41] <Althego> there is no
difference between running your simulation loop and
predicting
L103[12:36:09] <Althego> so you just have
to take out the delays for predicting, but then you just fry the
cpu for even a few years of prediction
L104[12:36:20] <Eddi|zuHause> the thing
is, running the simulation might be too costly to provide
meaningful feedback for the prediction
L105[12:36:26] <Althego> whixh needs to be
redone every time you move anything
L106[12:36:47] <Althego> i guess that is
why there is some limit in principia
L107[12:36:56] <Althego> but i havent ever
used it, just saw it in a video
L108[12:37:38] <Eddi|zuHause> i've no real
clue what pricipia even is
L109[12:37:49] <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't that
the name for newtons book?
L110[12:37:54] <Althego> yes
L111[12:37:54] <umaxtu> nbody
physics
L112[12:38:01] <Althego> that is why the
mod is called the same way
L113[12:38:04] <Althego> it does the
same
L114[12:38:11] <Althego> just runs the
differential equations correctly
L115[12:38:15] <Althego> what the game
doesnt do
L116[12:42:44] <Eddi|zuHause> what a
meaningful prediction needs is that you precalculate and cache the
movement of the planets, so you don't have to recalculate it for
every change in your maneuver nodes
L117[12:43:13] <Eddi|zuHause> which is
potentially a lot of memory, and might need tweaking to the
maths
L118[12:44:51] <Althego> i dont actually
know how it works. but it has to run the real equations. maybe not
for every point, but for some and then interpolate, who knows
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L120[12:46:10] <flayer> before i send up
crew i need to send up an expansion, so i'll get to have a crewless
try to find a short way to encounter it
L122[13:17:56] <Althego> we havent done a
single off the planet mining operation
L123[13:20:17] <flayer> it will happen
this century, i'm sure
L124[13:20:54] <flayer> from the 2070s
onward there'll be huge orbital refineries
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L129[13:39:48] <packbart> and we need
cheap gold and other metals for technical purposes
L130[13:42:04] <darsie> I bet we could
make self replicating machines on Earth in 10 years.
L131[13:44:51] <Althego> and destroy the
planet
L132[13:45:05] <Althego> potentially the
whole solar system
L133[13:48:54] <packbart> well, I already
turned the galaxy into paperclips once
L134[13:55:54] <darsie> Yeah, they might
turn all terrestrial planets into space ships and habitats.
L135[13:56:10] <darsie> If we tell them
to.
L136[14:00:22] <darsie> And they'll
colonize the galaxy.
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L138[14:14:15] <flayer> i hope so
L139[14:14:39] <flayer> i hope us or our
creations will spread everywhere
L140[14:14:48] <flayer> make total destroy
the whole galaxy
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L181[21:07:15] <Althego> the launch is
delayed half an hhour
L182[21:07:23] <Althego> i could have
slept a little bit more
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L185[21:45:19] <Althego> music
started
L186[21:47:17] <Althego> and no
launch
L187[21:47:43] <Althego> it was 80%, now
it is 0
L188[21:48:27] <packbart> need more wind
turbines to dampen the upper winds! scnr ;)
L189[21:50:07] <packbart> the Everyday
Astronaut is going to simulate a spinning deployment in KSP
L190[21:59:39] <Althego> and the radiator
is not warm
L191[22:03:18] <packbart> pfft. Everyday
Astronauts scrubs the launch of KSP. boring!!1
L192[22:04:19] <Althego> lol
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