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L16[03:34:49] <Eddi|zuHause> i think
"all men with a beard look the same" is both racist and
sexist
L17[03:36:29] <Fluburtur> they kinda look
similar tho
L18[03:36:30] <Rolf> that picture it looks
like brothers. maybe even twins
L19[03:52:07] <darsie> Has anyone done a
Kerbin flyby to change inclination for Eve?
L20[03:52:36] <darsie> Hmm, should happen
at AN/DN.
L21[03:52:42] <darsie> near
L22[04:06:50] <Eddi|zuHause> wouldn't a mun
flyby be quicker?
L23[04:07:09] <darsie> Sure. Would it
deflect enough?
L24[04:07:43] <darsie> Hmm, I guess using
Kerbin's Oberth effect outweighs a Kerbin flyby.
L25[04:08:20] <Eddi|zuHause> a kerbin flyby
seems excessive to just go to eve
L26[04:08:37] <darsie> maybe worth it for
Earth/Venus.
L27[04:09:16] <Eddi|zuHause> in my head i
have this image of Mercury flyby missions that used an Earth flyby
and several Venus flybys
L28[04:09:24] <darsie> Venus inclination is
3.4°.
L29[04:10:09] <darsie> Mars inclination is
1.9°.
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L31[04:10:37] <darsie> Mercury inclination
is 7.0°.
L32[04:11:03] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think
the inclination is the big problem with mercury
L33[04:11:21] <darsie> Less so for
flyby's.
L34[04:11:49] <darsie> flybys
L35[04:12:05] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think
we did mercury orbit yet
L36[04:13:29] <Eddi|zuHause> there was
something about multiple-flyby, but i don't remember if that was a
mission we did or one that we planned
L39[04:15:19] <Eddi|zuHause> ah, ok, so
that did end with mercury orbit after the multiple flybys
L40[04:17:54] <darsie> <Eddi|zuHause>
a kerbin flyby seems excessive to just go to eve <-- yeah, but
some might still do it, e.g. for realism, e.g. to minimise mission
cost.
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L44[04:56:31] <ConductingCat> :3
L45[04:58:39] <darsie> fake
L46[04:58:59] <darsie> hmm
L47[04:59:02] <Mat2ch> Fake?
L48[04:59:49] <darsie> maybe not
L49[05:01:29] <Mat2ch> Why should it? It's
obvious. Why create a new die for every puzzle? It's cheaper that
way
L50[05:03:06] <darsie> it's ok.
L51[05:05:48] <Rolf> theres puzzles that
each peice is different and random color
L52[05:06:00] <Rolf> chance of 2 puzzles
having same set is zero.
L53[05:06:14] <Rolf> well not QUITE zero
but close enough to not matter
L54[05:06:46] <Rolf> how they do it is have
piles of same location of puzzle from all same color puzzles and
each box have random one
L56[06:00:41] <Rolf> fancy
L57[06:07:36] <Althego> lol
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L61[06:37:54] <Deddly> Fluburtur, exiting
the "Heart Ocean" through the strait now. From here it's
pretty much a steady course down to the Antarctic.
L62[06:38:07] <Fluburtur> nice
L63[06:38:17] <Fluburtur> you will have
enough fuel?
L64[06:38:37] <Deddly> 69,500 fuel
remaining out of 150,000
L65[06:39:04] <Deddly> I have serous doubts
about that
L66[06:40:22] <Deddly> But I dumped the
plane and a load of unneeded oxidiser, and my speed went up maybe
5% or so at the same throttle setting. An extra 5% of range might
make all the difference
L67[06:40:49] <Deddly> At these ranges, 5%
is a lot
L68[06:41:06] <Deddly> And of course, as I
burn fuel, the ship continues to get lighter and faster
L69[06:42:28] <Fluburtur> I can send a
tanker your way if you want
L70[06:42:34] <Deddly> But I don't think
I'm close to half way on the route
L71[06:42:38] <Deddly> Hehe
L72[06:42:56] <Deddly> I should have done
this on an LMP server so we could collaborate like that
L73[06:43:10] <Fluburtur> yeah
L74[06:51:34] <Fluburtur> actually you
could use the savegame on a lmp server
L75[06:51:41] <Deddly> Really?
L76[06:51:45] <Fluburtur> yeah
L77[06:51:49] <Fluburtur> I think that
would work
L78[06:51:51] <Deddly> I've never tried LMP
to be honest
L79[06:52:07] <Deddly> The only thing I'd
be worried about is corrupting the save
L80[06:52:29] <Fluburtur> well you can save
it somewhere
L81[06:53:02] <Deddly> True. If I start
running out, we can maybe try that
L82[06:53:23] <Fluburtur> my tankers cant
carry that much fuel but I can drop pods along the way
L83[06:53:45] <Deddly> Well, I'd not need a
full fuel load to complete the mission
L84[06:53:53] <Deddly> Far from it
L85[06:55:59] <Deddly> It will be
interesting to see how far this amount of fuel gets me
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L87[06:57:02] <Deddly> Heart Ocean was much
bigger than I anticipated. It spans half the globe
L88[06:57:16] <Deddly> Well, maybe a
third
L89[07:01:52] <Fluburtur> I could maybe
come up wiht a vtol tanker to refuel your ship but it would
probably sink it
L90[07:03:30] <Deddly> LOL that would be
funny.
L91[07:03:55] <Deddly> Landing a large
craft on this little landing area would be a challenge
L92[07:04:55] <Fluburtur> would need rcs
and well baolanced vertical engines
L93[07:11:29] <Fluburtur> where is the
cheat menu in the new version
L94[07:11:32] <Fluburtur> I need my
noclip
L95[07:11:46] <taniwha> same place as
always
L96[07:11:54] <Fluburtur> alt f12 doesnt
work for me
L97[07:12:53] <taniwha> odd
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L99[07:13:03] <taniwha> works here
L100[07:13:35] <Fluburtur> well alt gr and
f12 works for some reason
L101[07:14:13] <Deddly> NOCLIP??? bah
;)
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L103[07:18:12] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: alt and
alt gr are different keys
L104[07:18:16] <Mat2ch> unlike ctrl
L105[07:18:32] <Mat2ch> well, iirc ctrl
left and right does send a different key code as well
L106[07:18:36] <Mat2ch> but not often is
it used
L107[07:18:47] <Mat2ch> *but that's not
used very often
L108[07:19:06] *
UmbralRaptor feels like unity is to blame, somehow
L109[07:23:16] <Fluburtur> huh, the
prototype vtol tanker is so heavy that the wings break of
L110[07:30:46] <Fluburtur> I might have to
use vectors for vtol mode
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L112[07:37:53] <packbart> I noticed that
with Kittopia. Left-Ctrl + P brings up the menu, Right-Ctrl
doesn't
L113[07:46:46] <Fluburtur> perhaps 161
tons is a bit heavy for a vtol
L114[07:50:44] <Fluburtur> why is this
plane so brittle
L115[07:51:03] <Fluburtur> it is like when
they added the spaceplane update and parts would fall off at the
slightest bump
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L124[08:18:31] <packbart> I'd need to spam
420000 RA-100s on a relay in Kerbin orbit to reach the 5km probe
core antenna near Duna (~36Gm). not worth it
L125[08:18:42] <packbart> its antenna was
left on the VAB floor during redesign
L126[08:20:19] <hoglahoo> oops
L127[08:24:13] <packbart> I missed a digit
in the result. 40^2/0.000005/100/0.75 = 4266666 RA-100s
L128[08:25:55] <Deddly> Wouldn't it be
cheaper to send a relay to Duna?
L129[08:26:28] <packbart> it would. I just
wondered how many relay antennas I'd need to reach the thing from
Kerbin orbit ;)
L130[08:32:27] <Deddly> Well it was an
interesting detail :)
L131[08:38:53] <packbart> indeed, I
expected a much smaller value for some reason. the ratio between
5km range and 36Gm distance is quite huge, though
L132[08:46:09] <Fluburtur> I will try to
make lost pla molds for the rocket engine nozzles next time
L133[08:46:17] <Fluburtur> this way I can
have a more accurate and complex shape
L134[08:47:31] <Fluburtur> will try to
make a rocket with 10mm core and 8mm nozzle throat, should give
better chamber presure
L135[08:48:39] <Fluburtur> with 50°
convergent part for smoother flow
L136[08:48:58] <Deddly> Are you talking
about your rocket candy experiments?
L137[08:49:05] <Fluburtur> lyes
L138[08:50:20] <Fluburtur> the recommended
divergent angle is 15° and my previous rockets had bad chamber
presure so they had flow separation
L139[08:52:49] <Deddly> Ah
L140[08:53:07] <Deddly> What are you
making the nozzle out of?
L141[08:53:18] <Fluburtur> cement
L142[08:54:26] <Deddly> Can you reuse
them?
L143[08:54:47] <Fluburtur> when they dont
blow up
L144[08:54:58] <Fluburtur> also I glue
them in the tube with high temp epoxy so not really
L145[08:55:14] <Fluburtur> and im not
looking into reusing them yet, I need to make one that works
well
L146[08:56:25] <Fluburtur> cant reuse the
molds either but eh
L147[08:56:31] <Deddly> Yeah that makes
sense.
L148[08:57:04] <Deddly> Get a design that
works well, then think about reusability. I can imagine you having
a rocket plane that you can refuel just by replacing the
candy
L149[08:57:09] <Fluburtur> old ones ware
made in 4 parts and removing the nozzle from the mold could damage
it
L150[08:57:44] <Fluburtur> and because I
had to assemble the molds they werent accurate enough
L151[08:58:09] <Fluburtur> also I want to
try that to make more advanced lost pla molds later
L152[08:58:23] <Deddly> Do you think
you'll move on to hybrid rockets in the future? They are not all
that much more complicated than solids
L153[08:58:42] <Fluburtur> im planning on
that but I would need proper piping and nozzle
L154[08:58:52] <Fluburtur> I want to make
a parafin and no2 rocket
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L158[09:11:18] <Deddly> Parafin wax?
L159[09:11:36] <Fluburtur> yeah
L160[09:13:51] <Deddly> I have heard
that's very good
L161[09:14:25] <Fluburtur> easy to do as
well
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L168[10:24:43] <Deddly> Can you use the
claw to fix something to the ground?
L169[10:25:03] <Fluburtur> sadly no
L170[10:25:12] <Deddly> Shame.
L171[10:25:14] <Fluburtur> I wanted to do
that with my sumbarines
L172[10:25:21] <Deddly> Can you get
resources from ice?
L173[10:26:04] <Fluburtur> ice?
L174[10:26:11] <Deddly> I was thinking
about sending a small floating refinery to the edge of the ice
sheet and docking to that to refuel
L175[10:26:42] <Deddly> I mean, in KSP,
ice and the rest of the surface are basically the same thing, but
different biomes
L176[10:26:49] <Fluburtur> well, send a
scan plane over there I guess
L177[10:27:14] <Deddly> Ice in KSP isn't
even really ice. It's a solid lump of rock that goes all the way to
the ocean floor
L178[10:27:55] <Fluburtur> really cold ice
then
L179[10:28:07] <Fluburtur> maybe there is
cryovolcanos there
L180[10:31:09] <Deddly> That would be
amazing
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L182[10:46:41] <Mat2ch> is there something
worth checking out under water?
L183[10:50:00] <Deddly> Mat2ch, well,
there's not less than there is above the water...
L184[10:50:20] <Deddly> There are some
interesting underwater features. There is even an easter egg
L185[10:51:51] <Deddly> I had intended to
explore the easter egg on this mission but I accidentally wrecked
the sub
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L189[10:54:54] <APlayer> o/
L190[10:55:05] <Deddly> Hi APlayer
L191[10:55:44] <Deddly> It's quite fun
piloting a submarine
L192[10:56:10] <Deddly> Much more fun than
boats
L193[10:56:19] <Deddly> Except maybe
really fast ones
L194[10:56:56] <Deddly> Talking of
which... I'm going to have to have another try at making a
supersonic boat
L195[11:02:45] <Truga> sailboats are
neat
L196[11:05:00] <Mat2ch> well, if wind and
waves would be a thing in KSP, I'd sail around Kerbin...
L198[11:06:19] <Truga> i really wish naval
action wasn't such a flop :<
L199[11:06:53] <Truga> they had a good
game but then they added a bunch of boring crap
L200[11:07:27] <Mat2ch> Uh, I like that
they're using OpenStreetmap data :)
L201[11:08:16] <Fluburtur> I could throw
the plane manually, activate waypoints mode and let it do its thign
and then land itself
L202[11:08:18] <Mat2ch> Truga: scroll up,
I talked about this a day ago ;)
L203[11:08:28] <Truga> naval action?
L204[11:08:37] <Fluburtur> now, I just
want to be able to move servos at waypoints so I can drop crap from
the plane
L205[11:08:45] <Mat2ch> nah, but all the
missing things and how it could be better
L206[11:09:04] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur:
seedlings? ;)
L207[11:09:22] <Fluburtur> anything
L208[11:09:50] <Fluburtur> if you ever can
give me that kind of power, think about the future of
humanity
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L221[12:16:41] <APlayer> In KSP, Jeb is
not nervous about the rocket launch. The rocket launch is nervous
about Jeb!
L222[12:18:07] <OneNick330Days> he might
turn it into a block
L223[12:19:35] <Althego> hehe
L224[12:19:57] <Althego> this counter is
nice, i can always know how many days are left of this year
:)
L225[12:21:40] <APlayer> Right, cross the
days off of your life calendar. "Sir, today is a special day.
You have one day less left to live!" :P
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L229[12:55:20] <Althego> what was this few
seconds long engine testing?
L230[12:55:27] <Althego> i thought they
would burn it for minutes
L231[12:55:31] <Althego> spacex
L232[12:58:05] <APlayer> Well, it's
SpaceX, not TestX :P
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loading scrren
L242[15:02:53] <hoglahoo> thanks
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L257[16:48:30] <darsie> What RO antennas
can relay? HG-20 says in the description it can be used as relay,
RA-2 and RA-15 are named RelayAntenna5/50.
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L270[18:37:02] <Mista> I'm pretty new to
game, are there any mods I should get to start or just do career
mode vanilla first?
L271[18:39:18] <jgkamat> I like sandbox
the most to be honest :P
L272[18:39:50] <jgkamat> I don't think you
really need mods when starting out, but if you want more
parts/features/things then you should look into it
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L277[19:04:30] <UmbralRaptop> I tend to
shill science mode as newbie friendly, but it's ultimately your
call.
L278[19:05:34] <UmbralRaptop> And yeah,
with 1.6, I'd say that one of the most common reasons to get a mod
(ΔV calculations) is mostly practical in stock.
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L283[19:40:03] <JVFoxy> huh... so doing
some figures here for alittle jet plane..
L284[19:40:49] <JVFoxy> learjet is
15,000lbs takeoff, 2 engines run 13.1kn each..
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L286[19:42:30] <JVFoxy> my plane is
21,000lbs, 2 engines running at 18.5kn, but flying around 10km up,
nearly 550m/s.... figures are somewhat close, though aren't kerbal
stuff suppose to be smaller than the real thing?
L287[19:47:50] <UmbralRaptop> I suspect
differences in engine performance + some aerodynamic fudging +
learjetsactually have stability issues above ~mach 0,82?
L288[19:49:32] <JVFoxy> lol.. mean while
I'm doing nearly 1.7mach... 1/2 hour flight to the poles, I'm
already on descent to the ice sheet and still have 554 of 700 fuel
remaining...
L289[19:51:07] <JVFoxy> earlier was
testing flying at under 2km alt... was only doing about 320m/s
burning rate of 0.12.. at 10km up, I'm doing nearly 600m/s, only
burning between 0.10 - 0.08 hmm...
L290[19:51:27] <JVFoxy> sorry.. I was down
1/4 throttle while under 2km...
L291[19:54:52] <UmbralRaptop> Yeah, stock
KSP jet engines allow for supercruise. Check out the thrust curves
in the config files >_>
L292[19:58:32] <JVFoxy> ya but... with a
pair of wheezlies?
L293[19:59:45] <JVFoxy> even a pair of
juno's do pretty decent despite what the flavor texts says.
Acceleration isn't great but does get some respectable speed
L294[19:59:54] <UmbralRaptop> Thrust does
something like a slow falloff up to mach 1,but then increases with
the actual peak at like 1,3 or 1.5
L295[20:00:37] <JVFoxy> ya I know.. some
function of speed and alt..
L296[20:01:06] <JVFoxy> wheezlies do
pretty good at low alt but suck fuel badly, overheats if kept too
high powered
L297[20:01:32] <UmbralRaptop> I'm not sure
what engines they're actually emulating
L298[20:01:52] <JVFoxy> I've a little
f-zero type thing I made, 3 of the engines on the back. crazy fast
at low alts but ugh.. engines heat stupid fast
L299[20:03:54] <JVFoxy> did a wanna-be-f18
jet... good speed, just gotta careful on pitch, wants to pull
stupid high g's and rip itself apart
L300[20:07:10] <UmbralRaptop> Hah
L301[20:08:07] *
UmbralRaptop is always amused at how easy it is to build a
thermally limited craft around the turboram or the
RAPIER.
L303[20:09:15] <JVFoxy> 200 adds another
mk1 cabin.. since the performance is so good.
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L305[20:13:01] <JVFoxy> oh... also adds
extra strakes.. looks a whole lot longer...hmm
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L307[20:15:48] <JVFoxy> lol.. huh ok,
fully fueled, seems aero is pretty close to cg, seems to fly ok
though.
L308[20:16:34] <UmbralRaptop> yay
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L310[20:18:12] <JVFoxy> trouble is...
having aero that close, things kind of wanna pitch really
hard.
L311[20:18:35] <JVFoxy> just means being
delicate on the stick when taking off... shrug
L313[20:20:02] <JVFoxy> and with that..
have to go soon. just waiting for traffic to calm down
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L328[23:57:45] <Guest80120> Does anyone
know what integration method KSP uses for physics? (implicit euler,
runge-kutta, etc)?
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