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L2[00:04:09] <taniwha> (plane cheated to
Laythe and Duna orbits, used RCS to deorbit)
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L11[02:51:01] <Althego> what
L12[02:51:11] <Rolf> keep scrolling
L13[02:51:21] <taniwha> still, what?
L14[02:51:25] <Althego> exactly
L15[02:51:40] <Althego> there is a
lizardman or something in the rigth seat
L16[02:51:41] <taniwha> even with that
fish/whatever, what?
L17[02:51:47] <Rolf> no, and no
L18[02:52:32] <taniwha> with no context,
the thing has no meaning
L19[02:52:59] <Rolf> hes turning
werewolf
L20[02:53:13] <Rolf> apparently full earth
works also lol
L21[02:53:29] <taniwha> like I said, with
no context, no meaning
L22[02:55:23] <Rolf> lets just hope
restrants hold lol
L23[02:55:34] <Rolf> trapped in small
spaceship with werewolf lol
L24[03:07:30] <JVFoxy> light reflected off
the moon... special properties? light reflected off Earth... would
it be the same thing or?
L25[03:07:43] <Rolf> apparently full earth
works also lol
L27[03:07:56] <Rolf> since theyre orbiting
they would see full earth often enough
L28[03:08:12] <Rolf> lol alt
L29[03:08:16] <OneNick332Days> Althego:
hahah, nailed it.
L30[03:08:27] <Althego> they area faf from
earth, probably going to the moon, they would see a full moon
too
L31[03:08:40] <Rolf> yeah evenually
L32[03:09:00] <Althego> that at least would
have wrked as a joke
L33[03:09:09] <JVFoxy> I'm in orbit of
minmus... so kerbin, mun.. minmus, triple shot
L34[03:10:02] <JVFoxy> meh... throw away
your candles? I would'nt do that if you in the polar vortex...
might need it for heat
L36[03:10:56] <Althego> polar vortex?
L37[03:11:02] <Rolf> yeah
L38[03:11:03] <JVFoxy> east coast
US...
L39[03:11:05] <Rolf> its hitting usa
hard
L40[03:11:14] <JVFoxy> mean while... rain
here west coast
L41[03:11:22] <Rolf> thankfully im too far
west at almost snowproof area
L42[03:11:32] <JVFoxy> guy I watch
RV'ing about the US... florida, he's sweat'n
L43[03:11:34] <Althego> which is sad,
because it reinforces trump's belief that global warming is a
chinese hoax
L44[03:11:45] <Rolf> yeah
L45[03:13:02] <JVFoxy> hm... whats a good
orbital height around minmus?
L46[03:13:14] <Althego> for what
L47[03:13:32] <JVFoxy> remote robotic
lander probe
L48[03:13:49] <Althego> lowest
possible?
L49[03:13:56] <Althego> for landing i
recommend 0 :)
L50[03:14:18] <JVFoxy> mother ship.. 18km
only gives me small windows to command it down to the surfaec
L51[03:14:24] <Rolf> pre-land orbit? last
time I used 4k something
L52[03:14:40] <Rolf> but remote control
dunno
L53[03:14:53] <Rolf> dont you add relays
around moon?
L55[03:15:29] <JVFoxy> lander sitting in
service bay.. two pilots and science officer
L56[03:15:51] <Althego> tiny lander
L57[03:16:02] <Rolf> hopefully none of em a
kerbal version of werewolf
L58[03:16:12] <Althego> just land on the
side that is facing towards kerbin
L59[03:16:13] <JVFoxy> mind you.. think
first time tried landing, I retro-d a little too hard
L60[03:16:36] <Althego> also in on the day
side
L61[03:18:29] <JVFoxy> just testing an
idea... I can land, hop to another biome, redock, refuel, repeat at
least once before I start delving into the ships fuel stores
L62[03:19:04] <JVFoxy> sci package for at
least two bioms.. sci officer can extra, reset things..
L63[03:19:48] <JVFoxy> half tempted to EVa
a kerbal down to the surface.. I'm only done 150m/s at 18km
orbit.. eva pack sitll has 600m dv right?
L64[03:20:06] <Althego> i would design the
first minmus lander with 1 scientist, for one landing. if i land in
a good way, with the reserves i can do maybe 2 other biomes
L65[03:20:19] <Althego> the second one
would use a nuclear engine for all the biomes
L66[03:20:42] <Althego> the 3rd one would
be robotic and take all the gravity and sesismic readings from all
the biomes
L67[03:21:07] <Althego> and with that and
similar probes mapping the moon in orbit, the sciencetree is
complete
L68[03:22:47] <JVFoxy> actually I was
testing to see if the command ship and robotic lander probe thing
works like before.
L69[03:23:32] <JVFoxy> in teh past I had a
crewed ship with dual relays tucked into a single service bay to be
deployed around minmus or the mun
L70[03:24:17] <JVFoxy> career... ya got teh
lander can things. Just sto;; meed tp im;pcl sp,es ,pre [arts tp
,ale a [rp[er crew ;amder
L71[03:24:27] <JVFoxy> oh whoops..
L72[03:24:32] <Althego> hehe
L73[03:25:00] <Rolf> gonna love wrong
offset lol
L74[03:25:04] <JVFoxy> hand shifted one key
over.. was saying I'm in career, I still need to unlock some
more parts before I can make a proper lander
L75[03:25:25] <JVFoxy> .. bad habit, typing
while looking at another screen
L76[03:25:49] <Althego> what, proper
lander? by the tech you have for the capsule, you should be able to
make a lander
L77[03:26:22] <JVFoxy> I could but eh..
asthetics..
L78[03:26:24] <Althego> there is the probe
core cheat for 1 scientist: the probe core adds sas, the scientist
adds out of line of sight control
L79[03:26:47] <Althego> if the lem was good
enough for nasa, despite its looks, any ugly lander is good foir
me
L80[03:27:10] <JVFoxy> lem had windows you
can use to look down with
L81[03:27:20] <Althego> so does the lander
can
L82[03:27:31] <Althego> and you dont need
windows
L83[03:27:45] <JVFoxy> I don't know..
its just me, an all in one craft.. jack of all trades, but pro at
none
L84[03:28:26] <JVFoxy> got a mk1 crew cabin
as a station around the mun ;)
L85[03:29:21] <JVFoxy> brb.. got a signal
to chase
L86[03:29:46] <Althego> a running
toothpaste, must be inconvenient
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L88[03:51:22] <JVFoxy> back... satellite..
AO-91
L89[03:52:47] <Althego> ah, real life
signal
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L91[03:55:52] <JVFoxy> ya... and now to
throw the recording onto a flash drive put it to my PC.. see what I
got for telemetry
L92[03:58:04] <Althego> finallY!
L94[03:58:12] <Althego> i didnt expect it
so soon
L95[04:01:10] <Althego> now off to the
second phase
L96[04:01:40] <Althego> the placement of
the self hammering probe
L97[04:04:17] <JVFoxy> mars claw game
L98[04:05:27] <Althego> funny fact, the
self hammering effect didnt work in total vacuum
L99[04:05:32] <Althego> when they tested
it
L100[04:05:44] <Althego> they need a tiny
bit of pressure to keep it in place
L101[04:28:43] <Althego> there is also a
retroreflector on the lander, but there is nothing around mars that
could use it. even if they have something in the works, it is
around 2 years until it is launched and commissioned. doesnt it get
all dusty until then?
L102[04:32:53] <JVFoxy> depends how much
wind they get
L103[04:33:19] <JVFoxy> and bleh..
telemetry fail.. signal was too much garbage I guess
L104[04:40:32] <Althego> what kind of
antenna do you use?
L105[05:03:10] <JVFoxy> self made... 6
element for 2 meters
L106[05:04:01] <JVFoxy> its on a 6'
old fiberglass fishing rod, pull the elements off, store into rod.
Original plan was for 3 element pack portable.. just happened to
have a 6' pole instead.
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L108[05:05:19] <Althego> nice idea with
the fishing rod
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L110[05:21:19] <JVFoxy> stupid thing was
laying around for quite a while... it was one of the suggested
items to use since its hollow anyways.
L111[05:22:04] <JVFoxy> finding the wire
rod was a bit of a pain at first. 'music wire'.... ya,
not actually guitar wire, rather something you'd find in a
hobby store...
L112[05:23:48] <JVFoxy> was debating to
wait till this flats reaches into sunlight again, on minmus, meh...
just going to head back.. mission will already be 17 days
long
L113[05:24:24] <Althego> you can land on
the flats in complete darkness
L114[05:24:26] <Althego> easily
L115[05:26:28] <JVFoxy> I could.. but
don't feel like risking it... I've already made 4 good
landings so far
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L117[05:30:18] <JVFoxy> debating redoing
the mission again, now I've learned a few things, recording
it
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L119[05:36:00] <JVFoxy> hmm.. anyone take
notes during their missions or prior on the things they wanna
accomplish? I know there is a mod that helps to let you know if
there is available science during a mission
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L123[05:45:01] <Althego> hwhw
L126[06:11:24] <Althego> hehe scott is the
top comment
L127[06:24:15] <JVFoxy> ya.. Scott was
practically dribbling from the mouth about that engine in his last
video
L128[06:24:31] <Althego> it is actually a
really nice engine
L129[06:24:33] <Althego> if it works
L130[06:24:38] <Althego> groundbreaking in
several ways
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L132[06:45:09] <JVFoxy> one thing lead to
another... now reading on apollo life support systems...
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L136[07:08:20] <Althego> eh, no rapsberry
4 this year
L137[07:08:31] <Althego> i thought maybe i
could buy a few to play around
L138[07:09:19] <Althego> but in my age
time goes faster, we are in the second month og this year
already
L139[07:15:03] <Mat2ch> yep, February
already. And I need a new project to work on
L140[07:17:23] <JVFoxy> fast...? felt like
time dragged on for me. only a month since new years, felt like its
been far longer'
L141[07:17:56] <Althego> time is flying
when you are having fun :)
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L155[08:42:45] <Althego> Building a
Marsbase is a Horrible Idea: Let’s do it!
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L157[08:46:58] <Deddly> Eek. Fluburtur, I
just passed the halfway point regarding fuel usage
L158[08:52:02] <Fluburtur> time to send a
cargo down the road to wait for your boat
L159[08:52:28] <Althego> or optimize fuel
usage somehow
L160[08:53:25] <Deddly> I'm already
running two engines instead of four at 1/3 throttle
L161[08:53:39] <Deddly> How much can I
save by going even slower?
L162[08:53:47] <Deddly> 20 m/s
L164[08:55:41] <Deddly> nice
L165[08:56:25] <Fluburtur> I put it in RTH
so it was circling around home so I could take pictures
L166[08:56:26] <Mat2ch> Uhm, you
don't save fuel if you just throttle down in space. And
running less engines doesn't help either if they're all
the same
L167[08:56:45] <Althego> not in
space
L168[08:56:47] <Althego> in water
L169[08:56:50] <Mat2ch> ah
L170[08:57:01] <Mat2ch> get rid of the
extra engines ;)
L171[08:57:38] <Althego> also there used
to be a mod with a fusion engine, that did get more efficient with
throttling down (in scott's interstellar quest)
L172[08:57:48] <Deddly> Yeah, getting rid
of engines would save weight. I suppose I could ditch the
plane
L173[08:58:02] <Deddly> But I like my
plane :(
L174[08:58:08] <Althego> because the fuel
is the coolant, and the less collant you put through, the hotter it
gets, so the faster it goes, thus isp goes up
L175[08:59:33] <Althego> i want to sell an
old gallente control tower small and some research labs and things
with it at dodixie ix moon 20, federation navy assembly plant.
anybody buying?
L176[08:59:45] <Althego> it has been there
in the hangar for years
L177[08:59:48] <Deddly> Oh wait... my
plane has a bunch of science points stored on it. I can't just
dump it
L178[09:00:00] <Althego> collect the
science
L180[09:00:23] <Deddly> I can collect the
science and store it in a pod, right?
L181[09:01:23] <Althego> yes, if it doesnt
have the same science
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L183[09:01:52] <Deddly> Hmm, let me
calculate a little here...
L184[09:02:31] <Deddly> The plane has 52
units of fuel I can salvage to get a tiny bit more range on the
boat
L185[09:03:13] <Deddly> And since I has
planned to do more missions with the plane, I have oxidiser stored
on the boat to power the vernor thrusters on the plane
L186[09:03:30] <Deddly> (The plane has
Vernor's for VTOL control)
L187[09:03:50] <Deddly> So... if I dump
the plane, I can also dump some unneeded oxidiser
L188[09:04:31] <Deddly> ... and I do have
quite a bit of that. Why on earth did I pack so much??
L189[09:04:54] <Deddly> OK... we're
taking extreme measures. The plane has to go
L190[09:05:58] <Deddly> I suppose... I
could crash the plane into some unneeded external parts of the ship
to save weight there too, but I think the fuel use and Kerbal risk
of doing that isn't worth the weight saving
L191[09:06:53] <Mat2ch> Also you can fly
in another plane any time
L192[09:07:34] <Althego> you can also just
flay the plane somewhere and recover it
L193[09:07:43] <Deddly> Well that's
true. This particular one has has quite a few successful missions
on this flight, though
L194[09:07:56] <Althego> in fact recover
it with the science on board
L195[09:08:00] <Deddly> It's going to
be painful to just dump it in the ocean
L196[09:08:05] <Deddly> Well I could do
that
L197[09:08:47] <Deddly> I always felt that
it seems cheaty to recover from the other side of the world, but I
suppose there is a cost penalty
L199[09:09:19] <Deddly> Hmm an oxidiser
dump would be useful right now
L200[09:09:40] <Althego> lol horns
handsign
L201[09:09:49] <Althego> maybe if you put
some metal as bgm
L202[09:10:48] <Deddly> Wat... hatch is
obstructed
L203[09:10:53] <Althego> hehe
L204[09:10:55] <Althego> always
L205[09:11:01] <Althego> when you see
nothing there
L206[09:11:04] <Deddly> I've been on
EVA from this plane before though
L207[09:12:36] <Deddly> It's no big
deal. He can't open the clearly free hatch, but he can crawl
through the claw that's holding the plane and into any of the
crew compartments he chooses
L208[09:13:09] <Deddly> She*, sorry
Lagerforf
L209[09:13:10] <Althego> hehe
L210[09:13:21] <Althego> what a name
L211[09:21:47] <Deddly> Oh I spelled it
wrong. It's Lagerdorf
L212[09:22:13] <UmbralRaptop> dorf
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L214[09:22:14] <Althego> doesnt really
make it better
L215[09:22:33] <Althego> so it is a
combination of a beer and a village
L216[09:22:37] <UmbralRaptop> Next
we'll find a surface sample contains microcline!
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L218[09:28:51] <Deddly> See, selecting the
pilot and going EVA has no problems
L219[09:29:00] <Deddly> But clicking on
the hatch? nononono
L220[09:30:18] <Althego> hehe
L221[09:30:34] <Deddly> Ah, I might have
been clicking on the invisible extra hatch at the attachment node
for that part
L222[09:54:48] <Deddly> Verti-Go has been
dumped in the sea :|
L223[09:55:54] <Althego> you have been
fined for littering
L224[09:56:00] <Deddly> Hmm. Dang
L225[09:56:29] <Deddly> On the plus side,
it has noticeably affected my efficiency.
L226[10:02:07] <Deddly> Could have been
worse - I could have dumped oxidiser in the sea if I had a mod,
so...
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L228[10:32:41] <Althego> it depends on
what the ksp oxidizer is. if it is oxygen, it just evaporates after
a while
L229[10:47:13] *
UmbralRaptop assumes that it's IRFNA or
something.
L230[10:47:56] <Althego> hehe
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L233[11:04:13] <Mat2ch> Deddly: I still
don't know why we can't vent stuff we don't need
:/
L234[11:05:38] <Althego> yes that should
be in the base game
L235[11:05:49] <Althego> for sstos it can
often happen that you carry some surplus oxidizer
L236[11:10:14] <Deddly> Well there have
been a lot of suggestions for that and as far as I know, the devs
are aware that some people want it. So who knows?
L237[11:10:53] <Althego> simply they
should add a way in the tank menu to pump to dev null :)
L238[11:13:08] <Deddly> Yeah. The only
downside with that would be the potential for accidental
miss-clicks
L239[11:17:49] <Mat2ch> well, there are so
many things that can go wrong in the dialogs...
L240[11:18:02] <Mat2ch> like pressing
"decouple" on a decoupler...
L241[11:18:08] <Deddly> True
L242[11:18:12] <Althego> one thing that
really bothers me with pumpiong
L243[11:18:16] <Althego> it moves the
buttons
L244[11:18:21] <Althego> so that you cant
click fast enough
L245[11:18:29] <Althego> just why do
this?
L246[11:18:38] <Deddly> What do you
mean?
L247[11:18:50] <Althego> when you click
start
L248[11:18:59] <Althego> then the cursor
will be above the window
L249[11:19:02] <Althego> and the stop
button moves
L250[11:19:13] <Althego> just who comes up
wioth such inhumane interface
L251[11:19:55] <Deddly> HarvestR ;)
L252[11:20:25] <Althego> alternative would
be a popup with amount
L253[11:20:28] <Deddly> Yes that is
awful
L254[11:20:50] <Deddly> If you want to
just pump a tiny bit, you can't stop it fast enough
L255[11:20:57] <Althego> exactly
L256[11:21:03] <Althego> especially if you
want to balance
L257[11:21:09] <Althego> bevauce you
mispumped :)
L258[11:21:28] <Althego> attention.
mis-jump. warp drive destroyed
L259[11:21:48] <Althego> oh wait it is
hyperdrive there
L260[11:34:12] <Mat2ch> Althego: the
camera is centered around the CoM. If you move fuel the CoM changes
and so the camera...
L261[11:34:23] <Mat2ch> I still don't
get why the camera is fixed like this
L262[11:34:35] <Mat2ch> It has annoyed me
from the start
L263[11:34:51] <Mat2ch> why can't I
move the camera around like in the airplane hangar?
L264[11:35:14] <Deddly> He was talking
about the buttons for fuel transfer start/stop
L265[11:35:17] <Mat2ch> Especially on huge
ships this would really help
L266[11:35:25] <Deddly> As to this other
issue, you can "aim camera" now
L267[11:36:02] <Mat2ch> ah, by "move
button" you mean the "Stop" button is in a different
position than the "in" and "out" buttons?
L268[11:36:11] <Althego> yes the camera
movement, or the lack of it is also annoying
L269[11:36:13] <Deddly> Yup
L270[11:36:23] <Deddly> But the camera can
easily be fixed
L271[11:36:24] <Mat2ch> oh yes,
that's annoying, too :D
L272[11:36:28] <Althego> for large ships
if you want to look int on almsot hidden part, you have hard
time
L273[11:36:46] <Deddly> Guys... it's
so easy...
L274[11:36:56] <Deddly> Right click a part
- "aim camera"
L275[11:37:09] <Mat2ch> yes, now, but only
a small help :|
L276[11:37:13] <Althego> and that didnt
exist not so long ago
L277[11:37:42] <Deddly> But now it does
:P
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L280[11:39:22] <Mat2ch> now, where KSP is
slowly dying ;P
L281[11:39:34] <Deddly> It is?
L282[11:39:49] <Mat2ch> well, there are
less and less mods updated to the latest version
L283[11:39:57] <Mat2ch> which gives a
decent indication
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L286[11:40:42] <Deddly> Maybe that's
because a lot of mod's functionality is now stock
L287[11:41:10] <Mat2ch> KAS? Infernal
robotics?
L288[11:41:27] <Deddly> I mean, sure, KSP
is several years old now. A lot of the initial fervour is over, but
the game itself has never been better IMHO
L289[11:41:55] <Deddly> OK KAS and IR are
absolutely the things I WISH were stock
L290[11:42:00] <Deddly> What version are
they on?
L291[11:42:03] <Mat2ch> true. But it needs
a major overhaul for the next 1ß years
L292[11:42:08] <Mat2ch> *10
L293[11:43:09] <Deddly> If they ever did
make hinges and mechanical parts, I bet an entire new player base
would appear
L294[11:43:36] <Mat2ch> well, we'd
need an engine overhaul for this to handle more parts
L295[11:43:49] <Mat2ch> My eve lander
didn't have too many and it lagged a lot.
L296[11:44:04] <Mat2ch> I've got a
Ryzen 2700X. It shouldn't.
L297[11:44:21] <Deddly> Either that or a
way to use all cores on gaming CPUs
L298[11:44:33] <Deddly> All cores
simultaneously
L299[11:44:41] <Mat2ch> The problem here
is unity and C#. For so many scientific calculations you want
something that runs on bare metal, as fast as possible.
L300[11:45:08] <Deddly> A custom engine
would be amazing. But then we'd still be on 0.7
L301[11:45:29] <Deddly> The original scope
of the game was much smaller
L302[11:46:07] <Deddly> If you find the
original KSP thread on Orbiter, HarvesteR's plans for the game
were not at all advanced
L303[11:46:24] <Mat2ch> KIS is on 1.6, KAS
on 1.5., IR? No idea.
L304[11:46:45] <Deddly> And it's
version locked?
L305[11:47:09] <Mat2ch> For a small, funny
game Unity is enough. But if you do something on the scale of KSP
you need something faster.
L306[11:47:37] <Mat2ch> Like Unreal Engine
4 for the graphics and all the calculations done in C/C++ and as
optimized as possible
L307[11:48:09] <Deddly> C is for wimps. I
demand x86 assembler
L308[11:48:11] <Deddly> ;)
L309[11:48:13] <Mat2ch> and then the UI
needs more planning tools.
L310[11:48:24] <Mat2ch> use gcc, it makes
ASM from C/C++ code ;P
L311[11:49:46] <Mat2ch> Well, that's
one way to optimize calculations. Write the code in C, generate ASM
from it with gcc, see if it is efficient and if not optimize the C
code (there are many language constructs that can help you)
L312[11:50:39] <Mat2ch> But adding
assembly code makes it neither portable, nor
readable/understandable
L314[11:52:00] <Deddly> Yeah, it's
nice we have Mac and Linux versions of the same game
L315[11:53:29] <Mat2ch> well, a KSP2 will
probably never happen. That's why I'm going to fetch
dinner now. Laters!
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L317[11:55:32] <Deddly> Seeya
Mat2ch.
L318[11:55:44] <Deddly> I personally think
there will be a KSP 2 eventually.
L319[11:55:57] <Deddly> T2 obviously had
big plans for it
L320[11:56:05] <Althego> hehe
L321[11:56:15] <Althego> the real
programmers use butterfies
L323[11:56:55] <APlayer> Well, Unity is,
on occasion, questionable for what KSP does
L324[11:56:58] <Althego> note that this is
an old table
L325[11:57:37] <APlayer> Althego, that is
actually an amazing idea. I may try to do just that next time when
I get to design a shower
L326[11:59:20] <APlayer> Also serves as a
time ID, providing future archaeologists with an accurate estimate
on when the shower was built
L327[11:59:58] <Althego> hehe
L328[12:01:32] <Althego> for goodness
sake, i got the hippy hippy shakes
L331[12:22:41] <Althego> lol
L332[12:22:55] <Althego> what is that,
navigational flags?
L333[12:23:10] <taniwha> more mile-stone
flags
L334[12:23:15] <taniwha> (but 10km)
L335[12:23:36] <taniwha> 172 (minus 1 or
two forgotten, and several eeten by the kraken)
L336[12:23:55] <taniwha> plus a few for
points of interest
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L341[13:01:57] <Deddly> LOL awesome
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L345[13:09:59] <Althego> hehe
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L352[13:50:40] <Fluburtur> nice
L353[14:02:28] <Deddly> How long until we
get a film based on that premise?
L354[14:02:57] <Althego> the question it,
how long until that film is a documentary? :)
L355[14:03:20] <Althego> sequence is going
to become more common, and used more aoften as it gets
cheaper
L356[14:03:24] <Deddly> Big business and
criminal entities all fighting over one person who has this secret
code that could bring the world to its knees
L357[14:04:54] <Deddly> Or nobody knows
what the code does, but it must be important because it was planted
in this little girl's great grandfather's DNA and passed
down through the generations to her, the only known living
relative
L358[14:05:46] <Deddly> Fluburtur,
I'm at the bottom of the "heart about to head south
soon.
L359[14:05:51] <Deddly> Well under half
fuel remaining
L360[14:06:01] <Althego> tiptirariri
tiptirarara
L361[14:06:39] <Deddly> Did you just
encode a virus in my machine, Althego?
L362[14:07:07] <APlayer> Did you just
encode a virus in my virus?
L363[14:07:08] <Althego> no i was trying
to imitate a few notes from the space battle in return of the jedi
:)
L364[14:07:31] <APlayer> Of course, I mean
"did you just encode a virus in my bacteria"
L365[14:08:04] <Deddly> My virus has a
virus
L366[14:08:14] <Deddly> It's gone
viral
L367[14:08:17] <Althego> xzybit
L368[14:08:58] <APlayer> So... is it
theoretically possible that computer viruses could be spread by
biological viruses?
L369[14:09:12] <Althego> yes
L370[14:09:21] <APlayer> It's a
thrilling time we live in
L371[14:09:28] <APlayer> The
possibilities!
L372[14:09:56] <Deddly> Unfortunately not
the other way around
L373[14:11:12] <APlayer> I don't
know, I don't know
L374[14:11:37] <APlayer> We're just
short of transmitting smells and stuff electronically, so there
might be some complex chemical exploit
L375[14:15:02] <Deddly> Yeah the thought
had crossed my mind
L377[14:15:46] <Althego> hehe
L378[14:16:12] <Althego> little bobby
tables we call him
L379[14:16:28] <Deddly> But, in all
honestly, just making someone's TV fart loudly and stink out
their living room would be anazing fheadlines
L380[14:16:35] <Deddly> amazing
headlines
L381[14:16:54] <APlayer> This xkcd
literally forms the basis of the group of friends I hang out with
saying "DROP TABLE!!!" every time they are about to do
something silly
L382[14:17:21] <Althego> hehe
L383[14:17:27] <APlayer> It's an
inside joke that caused many a confused look and provided hours of
entertainment
L384[14:17:36] <Althego> i dont think i
know anybody who doesnt know xkcd :)
L385[14:17:47] <APlayer> Sure, I know some
people
L386[14:18:25] <APlayer> I mean, most of
the people I know are not related to physics or IT in any way, so
they don't share the ideas xkcd brings up
L387[14:34:02] <lordcirth_> Deddly, a
computer virus could take over a bioprinter and produce
bioweapons
L388[14:34:32] <Althego> that contain the
virus
L389[14:34:40] <Althego> and as soon as
they start to anaylize the virus
L390[14:34:45] <Althego> to find a
cure
L391[14:34:53] <Althego> bam, it starts
again
L392[14:35:09] <Althego> hehe,
enders's game descolada?
L393[14:35:21] <Deddly> Let's hope
the people who analyse the virus don't have a bioprinter
attached to the same machine, then eh?
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L413[15:26:14] <NeilKerman> the atmosphere
is a jerk
L414[15:32:33] <Deddly> lol
L415[15:32:49] <Deddly> Having trouble
with re-entry?
L416[15:34:05] <NeilKerman> take off
L417[15:34:29] <NeilKerman> aeros of my
rocket seem to make it hard to control through the atmosphere
L418[15:34:50] <NeilKerman> it ends up
wanting to prograde below the horizon
L419[15:35:53] <NeilKerman> 100 m/s to
1000m
L420[15:36:04] <NeilKerman> 200 m/s to
10km
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L422[15:36:13] <NeilKerman> 300 m/s to
20km
L423[15:36:21] <NeilKerman> 500 to
30km
L424[15:36:34] <NeilKerman> then peddle to
the metal
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L426[15:37:39] <Deddly> Aha
L427[15:38:12] <Deddly> So your nose dips
down?
L428[15:39:19] <Deddly> Sounds like maybe
your gravity turn is too aggressive.
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L430[15:40:44] <NeilKerman> I'm
trying to do a sub orbital on kerbin 200km
L431[15:40:51] <Deddly> Ah
L432[15:41:06] <Deddly> Straight up?
L433[15:41:27] <NeilKerman> I was tilting
to the right
L434[15:41:36] <NeilKerman> is that a bad
plan?
L435[15:42:08] <Deddly> Straight up is
fine for a suborbital flight. Could you post a picture of the
rocket?
L436[15:42:51] <Deddly> Tilting isn't
necessary and will just make you land farther away from KSC,
reducing your recovery value
L437[15:42:58] <Deddly> Maybe just a
little
L439[15:46:06] <NeilKerman> straight up
worked perfectly
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L441[15:48:28] <darsie> NeilKerman: That
looks like it could go to orbit.
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L443[15:48:52] <NeilKerman> I am using the
swivel engine
L444[15:48:57] <darsie> ok
L445[15:48:59] <NeilKerman> I think with
the reliant it could
L446[15:49:08] <darsie> Swivel can,
too.
L447[15:49:13] <NeilKerman> hmm okay
L448[15:49:21] <darsie> If you know how to
fly ;).
L449[15:49:26] <NeilKerman> I could get it
to about 80km
L450[15:49:40] <darsie> 70.5 is enough for
orbit ;).
L451[15:49:42] <NeilKerman> not sure if
i'd have the dV to burn to orbit
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L453[15:50:58] <darsie> Testing a
decoupler suborbital?
L454[15:51:05] <KrazyKrl> Yep, that was my
first reaction... "it looks like you don't have the fuel
to orbit, but you can easily go suborbital"
L455[15:51:06] <NeilKerman> correct
L456[15:51:35] <NeilKerman> mission
success
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L459[15:52:37] <KrazyKrl> and yes, ~3k dV
isn't quite enough to get to LKO.
L460[15:52:58] <NeilKerman> 3300 eh?
L461[15:53:12] <Mat2ch> pack 3.4 k, just
to be sure
L462[15:53:15] <KrazyKrl> 3027 in your
case (reading the stage stack)
L463[15:53:18] <Mat2ch> but it's
possible with 3.3 k
L464[15:53:27] <KrazyKrl> yep, you're
low by about 10%.
L465[15:53:50] <darsie> KrazyKrl: I did it
below 3 km/s.
L466[15:53:52] <NeilKerman> I picked up a
suborbital tourist mission
L467[15:53:55] <NeilKerman> should be easy
now
L468[15:54:35] <KrazyKrl> yes, 3k should
be possible; if you keep your TWR low, and you keep your ascent
speed to near terminal velocity.
L470[15:55:18] <NeilKerman> swivel motor
not really needed then for straight up
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L472[15:56:48] <NeilKerman> let's see
how high 2500 m/s does
L473[15:56:59] <KrazyKrl> ehh yes and
no... you need either a gimbal engine, or flaps. pod control
authority is meh at best.
L474[15:57:13] <KrazyKrl> you have
stability in those fins, but not control.
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L476[15:57:35] <NeilKerman> as long as it
goes mostly straight
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L478[15:58:04] <KrazyKrl> well, it'll
certainly go straight with a few fins... now the problem is will it
go straight where you want it to go
L479[15:58:27] <APlayer> Make sure the
initial TWR is above 1.5
L480[15:58:31] <NeilKerman> tourists just
want a suborbital
L481[15:58:53] <APlayer> It will gain
speed fast enough not to tip over before the fins get
effective
L482[15:58:59] <KrazyKrl> which means
altitide > 70km.
L483[15:59:13] <APlayer> In that case, 2.5
km/s is overkill
L484[15:59:20] <APlayer> And dangerous,
even, when you are coming down
L485[15:59:23] <KrazyKrl> you can probably
do with with 1km/sec or lower.
L486[16:00:02] <APlayer> Make sure to
angle the craft just the slightest bit, you don't want to come
crashing down vertically (you will either burn up or not slow down
quickly enough)
L487[16:01:26] <NeilKerman> tourists are
happy :)
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L490[16:03:38] <NeilKerman> mission
success
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L492[16:03:47] <NeilKerman> cut it close
with the chutes too, yikes!
L494[16:09:46] <NeilKerman> very
cool
L495[16:09:51] <darsie> :)
L496[16:10:25] <NeilKerman> I accidentally
accepted a test x in escape trajectory mission early
L497[16:10:47] <darsie> Wanna know a
trick?
L498[16:10:48] <NeilKerman> and i
haven't upgraded mission control so I can really only do one
mission at a time
L499[16:11:31] <darsie> Hmm, isn't it
2 missions?
L500[16:11:40] <NeilKerman> yes 2 on the
go
L501[16:11:46] <darsie> ahh, yeah.
L502[16:11:55] <NeilKerman> and I
accidentally took one that I wont do for a while
L503[16:12:03] <NeilKerman> otherwise
I'd try to get 2 birds stoned at once
L504[16:14:50] <NeilKerman> haha I forgot
to load the tourists up
L505[16:15:12] <darsie> 938 m/s from LKO
to escape.
L506[16:16:05] <darsie> Make a second
stage and add some boosters or get the terrier and you're
gone.
L507[16:16:50] <KrazyKrl> isn't it
slightly cheaper to burn straight for escape?
L508[16:17:33] <darsie> Escape velocity is
independent of direction.
L509[16:18:18] <darsie> But yeah, burning
prograde probably saves you some gravity losses.
L510[16:18:39] <darsie> straight
away
L511[16:18:54] <NeilKerman> is there any
returning from that though?
L512[16:19:07] <NeilKerman> or are you
going away for a long time?
L513[16:19:09] <darsie> Compared coasting
to near Ap for circularization.
L514[16:19:22] <darsie> you can go back,
sure.
L515[16:19:31] <darsie> If you find your
way.
L516[16:19:41] <darsie> Manoeuver planning
definitely helps there.
L517[16:22:09] <darsie> You didn't
answer Wanna know a trick?
L518[16:22:21] <NeilKerman> sure
L519[16:22:23] <NeilKerman> hit me
L520[16:22:41] <NeilKerman> my chutes just
failed on a tourist mission
L521[16:22:42] <NeilKerman> RIP
L522[16:23:10] <Azander> Need redundancies
:(
L523[16:23:22] <darsie> In the normal
setting your bank account won't go negative. So you can accept
contracts, upgrade buildings and cancel the contracts. You'll
loose a bit reputation.
L524[16:23:45] <darsie> upgrade buildings
wiht the contract advances.
L525[16:24:08] <darsie> Can't cancel
a time unlimited contract, though.
L526[16:24:11] <NeilKerman> sounds like
Trump Space Program
L527[16:24:16] <darsie> :)
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L529[16:24:51] <darsie> But even without
that trick you could cancel the contract.
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L531[16:30:38] <NeilKerman> is there any
way to improve my parts recovery?
L532[16:30:43] <NeilKerman> chutes on my
booster?
L533[16:30:54] <NeilKerman> or whatever
you call 1st stage
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L536[16:35:09] <darsie> That's really
tricky. Dunno if it's actually possible. There's a mod
for that, though.
L538[16:35:48] <NeilKerman> hmmm
L539[16:36:20] <darsie> You can't
switch vessles in the atmosphere. So if you switch to your booster
you're stuck with it till it's on the ground.
L540[16:37:23] <darsie> Hmm, you can
switch to nearby vessles. Maybe you can arm the chutes.
L541[16:37:41] <darsie> Dunno if
they'll open correctly while you're in space with your
second stage.
L542[16:38:21] <darsie> The game
isn't made to simulate a lot of stuff simultaneously.
L543[16:50:45] <darsie> NeilKerman: Just
upgrade the mission control.
L544[16:51:11] <NeilKerman> roger
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L546[16:51:23] <NeilKerman> I want to
upgrade to get manouved nodes first maybe
L547[16:51:26] <NeilKerman> or maybe
EVA
L548[16:51:38] <NeilKerman> EVA would
allow scienceguy to reset stuff, correct?
L549[16:52:06] <darsie> Manoeuver nodes
need both mission control and tracking station upgraed.
L550[16:52:20] <APlayer> The scientist has
to have a certain level, but yes
L551[16:52:26] <NeilKerman> right
L552[16:52:51] <NeilKerman> Right now the
only upgrades I have are launchpad and rocket building
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L555[16:55:39] <darsie> When will the new
demo be?
L557[17:00:13] <darsie> NeilKerman:
I'm not sure that'll succeed.
L558[17:00:26] <NeilKerman> It got me to
orbit nicely
L559[17:00:31] <darsie> mhm
L560[17:00:46] <darsie> But you want
escape, right?
L561[17:00:55] <NeilKerman> Nah, I'm
not doing that yet
L562[17:00:59] <darsie> ok
L563[17:01:11] <NeilKerman> Maybe do that
mission when I go to do a Mun one
L564[17:08:08] <JVFoxy> funny you should
mention the science guy... i was reading up what levels do, he can
reset at level0 according to the wiki. Unless its been
changed
L565[17:09:03] <JVFoxy> I know, at least
with pressure and temp sensors, you don't need someone out
there to reset it. One the data is offloaded, you can use it
again.
L566[17:09:28] <NeilKerman> so I probably
dont need 4 temp sensors?
L567[17:10:21] <JVFoxy> you can... then
just return home with the data.. you loose some points transmitting
certain things.
L568[17:13:06] <JVFoxy> if you have a
command pod or if its a probe with science container, you can
transfer the data over
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L570[17:18:56] <NeilKerman> Is going to
the mun a bad idea without manouver nodes?
L571[17:24:18] <darsie> impact, fly by,
orbit, land?
L572[17:24:26] <NeilKerman> flyby
L573[17:24:48] <UmbralRaptop> It's
not ideal, but certainly viable
L574[17:25:12] <darsie> Well, it'll
be a bit tricky to burn at the right time so you are there when Mun
is there.
L575[17:25:53] <UmbralRaptop> from a low
kerbin orbit, burn at/just before munrise until you have a ~14 Mm
apoapsis
L576[17:26:38] <UmbralRaptop> This will
put you on a free return trajectory. (may need a correction post
flyby for a safe landing)
L577[17:27:48] <JVFoxy> ouch ya.. I tried
doing the no upgrade to the moon thing... ya... I got lucky
once
L578[17:32:11] <NeilKerman> hmm yeah
L579[17:32:15] <NeilKerman> time to
upgrade this maybe
L580[17:33:12] *
UmbralRaptop 's above lines are the result of people on the
forum manually determining how to get a good flyby in the era
before maneuver nodes.
L581[17:34:28] <NeilKerman> hardcore
L582[17:39:46] <JVFoxy> Neilkerman
I've done mini versions of delta heavies as well... also a
bigger version
L583[17:40:09] <NeilKerman> delta
heavies?
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L588[17:46:28] <NeilKerman> ahh neat
L589[17:46:35] <NeilKerman> that's
kinda what I have for going to orbit
L590[17:53:42] <JVFoxy> I do'nt seem
to have a lot of pics on boosters.. I do have a few design habits I
tend to go with..
L591[17:54:03] <NeilKerman> Alright, I got
manouver nodes now
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L593[18:00:22] <Eddi|zuHause> water is
almost the same as space :p
L594[18:00:32] <Eddi|zuHause> gah, was
scrolled back
L595[18:00:54] <NeilKerman>
"Can't afford to launch this vessel"
L596[18:00:56] <NeilKerman> rip
L597[18:01:21] <JVFoxy> ... playing hard
mode or something?
L598[18:01:26] <NeilKerman> nope
L599[18:01:40] <NeilKerman> I just spent
all my cash to get manouver nots
L600[18:03:17] <JVFoxy> or just bought it
too soon
L601[18:03:27] <NeilKerman> :)
L602[18:03:48] <NeilKerman> Time to go to
the mun
L603[18:04:13] <darsie> NeilKerman: Get
another contract :).
L604[18:06:49] <darsie> And if you
don't like the one available, wait a week.
L605[18:06:59] <darsie> ones*
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L608[18:24:55] <NeilKerman> I went to the
mun and missed
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