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L8[00:36:12] <mischief> well crap.
L9[00:36:20] <mischief> got my ore from
minmus but now i can't get it home.
L10[00:37:17] <Gasher[work]> can't?
L11[00:37:25] <mischief> ran out of fuel
leaving.
L12[00:37:41] <mischief> need a
redesign
L13[00:38:10] <mischief> just playing ksp
after not playing for like 3 months, so i'm rusty :)
L14[00:39:00] <mischief> think ill just
start from scratch.
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L16[00:39:14] <Gasher[work]> aha
L17[00:39:32] <Gasher[work]> do you have dV
calculation mods?
L18[00:39:55] <Althego> ker, dont design
without it
L19[00:40:13] <mischief> no, i don't use
any mods.
L20[00:40:19] <mischief> try to keep it
interesting :P
L21[00:40:20] <Gasher[work]> ah ok
L22[00:40:43] <mischief> it is tempting to
just install mechjeb, which i did have when i played years
ago
L23[00:41:02] <mischief> but this time
around, i wanted to try to get through as much of career mode
without help
L24[00:47:23] <Althego> but if you use ker
only in the vab it just does the computation you woulddo
L25[00:48:56] <Gasher[work]> well you can
just calculate that on paper
L26[00:49:08] <Althego> but gets boring
after a while
L27[00:49:29] <Althego> i used to do that
for old 14k m/s delta v eve ascent vehicles
L28[00:49:36] <Althego> when there was no
mass dipslay in the editor
L29[00:49:40] <Althego> was really
tiresome
L30[00:49:48] <Gasher[work]> everything
gets boring after i while
L31[00:49:53] <Gasher[work]> * a
while
L32[00:50:04] <Althego> but this really
quickly, it is a single formula after all
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L35[01:14:17] <mischief> hm
L36[01:14:29] <mischief> having a hard time
making a drilling rig that's aesthetically pleasing
L37[01:14:48] <mischief> parts keep running
into each other and it annoys me
L38[01:14:52] <Althego> industrial
equipment, it has to be ugly
L39[01:15:01] <Althego> ah clipping
L40[01:15:23] <mischief> i believe the
drill can work even if it's extended through my landing struts, but
it makes no sense
L41[01:15:48] <Althego> i try to avoid
permanent clipping, but some during deployment is ok
L42[01:16:01] <mischief> yeah, i wanted to
avoid any during deployment.
L43[01:16:12] <mischief> maybe ill just
make the landing craft use the next size tank :P
L44[01:16:27] <mischief> big ol fat
lander.
L45[01:16:30] <Althego> the wider the
better
L46[01:16:57] <mischief> im guessing it
will be hell to launch and land though
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L48[01:20:55] <mischief> this ship looks
absolutely rediculous
L49[01:21:00] <mischief> not even sure it
will go anywhere
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L52[01:21:45] <Gasher[work]> i found that
it's hard to deliver ore back to kerbin because the ore tanks are
heavy and fragile
L53[01:22:00] <mischief> my ship looks more
like a bomb
L54[01:22:02] <Althego> and why would you
do that anyway
L55[01:22:07] <Althego> just mine the
launchpad :)
L56[01:22:57] <mischief> uhoh
L57[01:23:01] <mischief> my ship is
48T
L58[01:23:07] <mischief> i don't think a
parachute will stop that
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L60[01:24:48] <mischief> maybe 8 Mk25
parachutes? :)
L62[01:27:44] <Althego> no
L63[01:27:47] <Althego> you need the bvlue
one
L64[01:27:52] <Althego> maybe 2
orange
L65[01:27:59] <Althego> or just one
L66[01:28:01] <Althego> on top
L67[01:29:32] <mischief> i was gonna put a
heat shield on it
L68[01:29:35] <mischief> just.. in
case
L69[01:30:57] <mischief> now i need a
gigantic rocket to get this trash heap off the ground
L70[01:31:09] <Althego> not a problem
L71[01:31:35] <Althego> just add more
boosters until it is fine
L72[01:32:03] <mischief> :-P
L73[01:32:12] <mischief> i don't even have
engines that fit this tank size
L74[01:32:15] <mischief> need more
science
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L80[01:37:34] <mischief> arg
L81[01:37:36] <mischief> top heavy :(
L83[01:38:08] <mischief> o_o
L84[01:38:32] <mischief> does it..
fly?
L85[01:38:39] <Althego> lol
L86[01:38:42] <Althego> a mutant
insect
L87[01:38:57] <Gasher[work]> a legit way to
mine money, you just turn it on right on runway and wait till its
full (like, month) and then recover it
L88[01:39:32] <mischief> 'legit'
L89[01:39:37] <Gasher[work]> if you are
greedy, make a wheeled version
L90[01:39:40] <mischief> your runway would
look like a crater :)
L91[01:39:45] <Gasher[work]> mischief, no
mods, no cheats :)
L93[01:39:59] <kmath> YouTube - SWISS
MISHAP
L94[01:42:34] <mischief> i'm at about
250,000 funds for my ship
L95[01:43:16] <mischief> aaaand it still
flips over.
L96[01:44:19] <Althego> the usual: fairing,
control surfaces, highly gimbaling engines can help
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L98[01:46:58] <mischief> i only have one
main sail on my center
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L100[01:50:01] <Althego> ah there was a
post landing briefing too
L102[01:50:09] <kmath> YouTube - NASA
Recaps InSight Mars Landing
L103[01:52:08] <mischief> i added 4 tail
fins.
L104[01:52:09] <mischief> nada
L105[01:52:37] <Althego> you can add up to
24 i think :)
L106[01:53:06] <mischief> i mean, 4 is
what fit nicely on the sides.
L107[01:53:36] <Althego> lol the iss
phoned in to the briefing to congratulate them
L108[01:54:09] <mischief> hm
L109[01:54:18] <mischief> the twin-boar
engines have 1.5 degree gimbal
L110[01:54:26] <mischief> would replacing
those with main-sail be better?
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L112[01:54:34] <mischief> 2.0 degree
gimbal
L113[01:54:54] <Althego> marginally
L114[01:55:29] <Althego> does it flip
after first stage separation or before?
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L116[01:56:08] <mischief> before, after i
gained some hight
L117[01:56:12] <mischief> and get to like
300m/s
L118[01:56:23] <Althego> typically around
mach 1 at 15 km :)
L119[01:56:42] <Althego> if you can
survived that after 25 km you have no issues
L120[01:57:07] <Althego> at worst just fly
up to higher altitudes before starting to tilt towards east
L121[01:57:31] <Althego> you can also set
up tanks that the bottom ones drain first
L122[01:57:35] <Althego> that helps you
with stability
L123[01:58:00] <mischief> i rearranged
some bits, lets try again
L124[01:58:16] <mischief> it was flipping
over even when i didn't try steering
L125[01:58:21] <mischief> just thrust
straight up
L126[02:02:02] <Althego> lol article:
tolkien was racist against orcs
L127[02:02:18] <Althego> or is it
towards?
L128[02:02:41] <mischief> yay, i made
it
L129[02:02:56] <mischief> new
problem
L130[02:03:00] <mischief> my ship is
shaking o_o
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L132[02:04:32] <mischief> need some space
duct tape i guess.
L133[02:04:46] <Althego> possibly
autostruts can help
L134[02:05:12] <mischief> is that a
mod
L135[02:05:18] <Althego> no, basic
L136[02:05:29] <Althego> they dont eat
part count
L137[02:05:42] <mischief> ah, you mean the
space duct tape :)
L138[02:05:44] <Althego> however your
choice of targets is limited
L139[02:05:58] <Althego> space duct tape
is the struts
L140[02:06:36] <Althego> hehe they gave a
marco image of mars
L141[02:11:03] <mischief> hm.
L142[02:11:10] <mischief> 1500 ox left in
my current stage.
L143[02:11:50] <mischief> now.. none. and
i just got orbit.
L144[02:11:54] <mischief> idk if this is
gonna make it
L145[02:14:49] <Althego> i wonder if they
can use the arm and cameras to science after instrument
deployment
L146[02:15:02] <Althego> maybe dig some
holes with the arm and see how fast wind erodes it
L147[02:15:39] <mischief> i think im
confused
L148[02:15:46] <mischief> how does a part
with 'crossfeed' work
L149[02:15:50] <mischief> is that the same
as the pipe?
L150[02:16:06] <Althego> fuel can flow
through it
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L152[02:16:20] <Althego> some parts dont
have crossfeed, like heatshield, metal parts
L153[02:16:28] <mischief> ahhh, i have to
manually transfer it
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L155[02:16:33] <mischief> >_>
L156[02:16:38] <Althego> possibly even
that will not work
L157[02:16:46] <Althego> depending on game
settings
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L159[02:16:49] <mischief> it does seem to
work
L160[02:16:53] <mischief> its just not
optimal.
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L163[02:18:55] <mischief> this will do
:)
L164[02:19:12] <Althego> hilarious
L165[02:19:26] <mischief> whats so
funny
L166[02:19:36] <Althego> possibly loses
400 m/s to drag
L167[02:19:53] <Althego> why are the legs
open?
L168[02:20:05] <Althego> so many, it
doesnt go to eve
L169[02:21:08] <mischief> hopefully to
prevent tipping if i land on a hill on minmus :P
L170[02:21:19] <Althego> land on a
flat
L171[02:21:25] <Althego> minmus has the
best landing grounds
L172[02:24:42] <Althego> nice, they did
some atmospheric science on marco a
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L174[02:25:33] <petti> NASA has science
alert mod installed
L175[02:25:41] <Althego> hehe
L176[02:25:50] <Althego> no, this was
actually planned
L177[02:26:31] <Althego> because it
depended on the trajectory
L178[02:27:13] <mischief> i put some nose
cones now
L179[02:32:19] <mischief> only 436t
>_>
L180[02:37:41] <mischief> i think this
rocket sucks :)
L181[02:38:12] <Althego> sucking rocket,
interesting concept :)
L182[02:38:32] <mischief> i can't even get
to orbit
L183[02:38:42] <Althego> i would make it
longer
L184[02:38:44] <mischief> i did it once
then reverted to fix something, now i can't really
L185[02:39:09] <mischief> more fuel in the
middle part?
L186[02:39:18] <Gasher[work]> am i really
seeing nuclear engines with fuel+Ox tanks?
L187[02:39:47] <Althego> hehe i forgot
about that, now that you mention it
L188[02:39:54] <mischief> i took the
oxidizer out
L189[02:40:00] <Gasher[work]> lol
L190[02:40:06] <Althego> that is a normal
way
L191[02:40:11] <Althego> i usually put
aircraft tanks on
L192[02:40:27] <Gasher[work]> i mean,
there are fuel-only tanks
L193[02:40:57] <mischief> i have.. one?
option in career mode
L194[02:41:03] <Gasher[work]> ah ok
L195[02:41:05] <mischief> Mk1 liquid
fuselage
L196[02:41:10] <Gasher[work]> nevermind
then
L197[02:42:08] <Althego> btw why use nukes
for a minmus mission?
L198[02:42:10] <Althego> especially
4
L199[02:42:18] <Althego> that is probably
decreasing your delta v
L200[02:42:21] <mischief> balance?
:P
L201[02:44:41] <mischief> dunno, thought
they would make better use of fuel
L202[02:44:49] <Althego> they are
havy
L203[02:45:09] <mischief> huh
L204[02:45:12] <Althego> only worth it if
you have them in low twr for high delta v
L205[02:45:13] <mischief> you are right
o.o
L206[02:45:30] <Althego> for coming back
from minmus, only few hundred m/s is needed
L207[02:47:07] <Althego> but dont forget
to take into account the mass of the ore you want to bring
back
L208[02:47:14] <Althego> for delta v
L209[02:47:22] <mischief> i need 2800
ore
L210[02:47:29] <mischief> .. thats why i
have all these tanks.
L211[02:47:38] <Althego> i usually dont
take these missions
L212[02:47:50] <Althego> same with the
stations and bases with huge amounts of fuel
L213[02:53:11] <mischief> i wanted a
challenge
L214[02:53:29] <mischief> i replaced my
nuclear rockets with the terrier but i think the base needs more
work
L215[02:53:35] <mischief> i just run out
of fuel trying to get orbit.
L216[02:54:32] <Kalpa> I'm just sending
relay probes to Mün
L217[03:06:46] <mischief> i am annoyed my
fuel pipes dont work automatically
L218[03:06:54] <Althego> what
L219[03:06:56] <Althego> they do
L220[03:07:15] <Althego> if the priority
is not correct, change it
L221[03:07:27] <mischief> the pipes go
from a central tank outward.
L222[03:07:30] <Althego> but in fact you
dont even need pipes in most cases with the pririty set
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L224[03:09:35] <mischief> hm
L225[03:09:40] <mischief> seems to work
anyway
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L228[03:12:24] <Althego> at least reminds
me of outer planets mod names
L229[03:12:50] <Kalpa> Fact is often
wierder than fiction
L230[03:13:07] <Althego> and the t-shirt
on scimandan
L231[03:14:26] <Althego> i cant get enough
of this, just cant stop laughing as the guy explains these
imaginary paknets
L232[03:16:50] <mischief> and then i
forgot an antenna. :|
L233[03:17:02] <Althego> lol
L234[03:17:08] <mischief> or rather, i
think i accidentally deleted it earlier
L235[03:17:15] <mischief> since it was
attached to one of the engines..
L236[03:19:40] <Gasher[work]> hm, so i
guess the issue with this bomber was that the dropped bomb would
have to fall straight through the fuel tank
L237[03:19:57] <Althego> hehe
L238[03:20:01] <Althego> self bomber
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L240[03:23:08] <mischief> Gasher[work]:
hm? :)
L241[03:25:07] <mischief> omg
L242[03:25:09] <mischief> i am an
idiot.
L243[03:25:14] <mischief> i had two of my
tanks disabled
L244[03:25:18] <mischief> no wonder i
couldnt go far
L245[03:27:21] <Gasher[work]> lol
L247[03:27:59] <Gasher[work]> it was flat
external tank right beneath the back cargo hold
L248[03:28:27] <mischief> cool mod i
guess
L249[03:28:31] <Althego> what a mean
nos
L250[03:28:32] <Althego> e
L251[03:28:38] <Althego> what is that
small door on top?
L253[03:31:01] <mischief> neat
L254[03:33:38] <mischief> okay
L255[03:33:44] <mischief> i am about to
get into minmus orbit
L256[03:33:50] <mischief> and i still have
like 4000 fuel
L257[03:36:21] <mischief> aw man
L258[03:36:25] <mischief> i forgot my heat
sinks :(
L259[03:38:55] <mischief> whatever, i'm
already here. i'll just wait it out if i overheat
L260[03:47:56] <mischief> 82 days for 100
ore
L261[03:47:58] <mischief> >_>
L262[03:48:04] <Althego> lol
L263[03:48:07] <mischief> maybe i better
go fly another mission
L264[03:48:15] <Althego> try highest
timewarp
L265[03:48:22] <Althego> that usually
hekps with the battery too
L266[03:48:26] <Althego> because power is
stuck
L267[03:48:26] <mischief> Althego: i put
it very high, but i don't want to waste days
L268[03:48:35] <mischief> also my drills
are eating away at my heat shield
L269[03:48:41] <mischief> because i forgot
the thermal disappators
L270[03:48:57] <Althego> i never tried
what happens to the thermal issue
L271[03:49:03] <Althego> but if you switch
to highest timewarp quickly
L272[03:49:07] <Althego> the game just
ignores battery
L273[03:49:12] <Althego> so it will mine
day and night
L274[03:49:18] <Althego> maybe the same is
true for heat
L275[03:49:20] <mischief> Althego: i
brought 16000 battery units
L276[03:49:23] <mischief> it's no problem
;-)
L277[03:49:28] <Althego> i am explaining
the principle
L278[03:49:33] <Althego> that there is an
exploitable bug
L279[03:49:51] <mischief> it looks like
battery is used when it is night time
L280[03:49:53] <Althego> oh wait
L281[03:49:56] <Althego> is this ap
robe?
L282[03:50:01] <mischief> even at the
highest warp, 100,000
L283[03:50:03] <mischief> yes
L284[03:50:04] <Althego> bringing a single
engineer would help you a lot
L285[03:50:16] <Althego> even a 2 star
engineer would be what 15x boost?
L286[03:50:19] <Althego> 16
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L288[03:50:40] <mischief> can i put probe
core and a engineer in a can?
L289[03:50:59] <Althego> engineer in a
can, latest acme product
L290[03:51:34] <Althego> i usually use the
lander can
L291[03:51:38] <Althego> very light
L292[03:51:46] <Althego> probe is needed
for sas only
L293[03:52:09] <mischief> maybe ill cancel
flight again so i can add thermal control systems...
L294[03:52:40] <mischief> 165 ore in 126
days
L295[03:52:44] <mischief> yeah. this needs
work :(
L296[03:53:00] <Althego> also check
location for ore
L298[03:57:00] <mischief> no scan of
minmus yet
L299[03:57:04] <mischief> i guess i only
did that for mun.
L300[03:58:27] <mischief> hm.
L301[03:58:32] <mischief> ill put my 3 *
engineer.
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L303[03:59:03] <Althego> scan doesnt help
you ultimately because it givves you only biome average
L304[03:59:12] <Althego> it doesnt show
you hot spots
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L306[04:01:24] <Althego> seems like the
mountain regions are richer in ore on minmus
L307[04:02:27] <mischief> .... :)
L308[04:02:33] <Althego> how does the game
know where you mined the ore anyway
L309[04:02:52] <Althego> what if i mine a
little on minmus and some on the mun?
L310[04:02:55] <Althego> in the same
container
L311[04:03:12] <Althego> or a little on
minmus and the rest on kerbin
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L314[04:29:43] <Gasher[work]> Althego, try
and report results
L315[04:44:46] <Eddi|zuHause> i've never
even got far enough in carreer to mine anything
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L317[04:56:40] <mischief> my ship just
came apart while mining
L318[04:59:18] <Althego> hehe
L319[04:59:27] <Althego> the kraken
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L321[04:59:46] <Gasher[work]> did you have
phys timewarp on?
L322[05:00:10] <Althego> probably coming
out of timewarp
L323[05:00:22] <Althego> usually that is
what my mining equipment hates
L324[05:01:38] <Eddi|zuHause> i've had
flags and other things attached to the ground (via KAS/KIS) explode
when quickloading or joining from tracking station
L325[05:02:34] <mischief> yeah, i was
unwarping
L326[05:02:40] <mischief> but i actually
warped many times
L327[05:02:47] <mischief> because the
solar panels cant power my drills
L328[05:03:09] <mischief> so the battery
would drain, the drills turned off, the solar panels charged, then
i'd unwarp and turn them on again
L329[05:03:56] <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like
failed design to me
L330[05:04:52] <Gasher[work]> hm, that
thing i linked had enough batteries to power it through the
night
L331[05:04:53] <mischief> thanks for the
input
L332[05:06:31] <mischief> erm...
L333[05:06:39] <mischief> and now i had a
bit of a tumble on the surface.
L334[05:06:53] <mischief> retrograde sas
didn't seem to point the right direction
L335[05:07:14] <Eddi|zuHause> surface vs.
orbit retrograde?
L336[05:07:45] <mischief> weird
L337[05:07:49] <mischief> why am i in
orbit
L338[05:08:06] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not
quite sure what the difference is, but there is a difference
L339[05:08:08] <mischief> my ship is now
sitting sideways on the surface with all my fun bits broken
off
L340[05:08:34] <mischief> oh well. i'll
load the quicksave..
L342[05:09:38] <kmath> YouTube -
?OVERWATCH: No Mercy - The Living Tombstone ?
L343[05:21:33] <mischief> fml
L344[05:21:38] <mischief> it happened
again
L345[05:21:41] <mischief> this must be a
bug
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L347[05:31:23] <Eddi|zuHause> a bug? in
the game? how dare you!!
L348[05:31:35] <Althego> mischief: as i
sad if you go into max warp no drain
L349[05:32:19] <mischief> Althego: that is
not the problem
L350[05:32:22] <mischief> Althego: i did
that :)
L351[05:32:49] <mischief> it's when the
tanks are full and the drills automatically stop... suddenly the
ship starts shaking and blows up.
L352[05:34:45] <Eddi|zuHause> turn off
SAS?
L353[05:36:43] <Althego> heroes (still)
never die
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L356[05:45:18] <mischief> Eddi|zuHause:
hm, lets try
L357[05:45:22] <mischief> i got a
quicksave this time.
L358[05:45:55] <mischief> Eddi|zuHause:
nope
L359[05:45:58] <mischief> still
sploded.
L360[05:46:00] <Eddi|zuHause> i've had
instances where SAS overcompensated and incresed such
wobblings
L361[05:46:12] <Eddi|zuHause> so it was
worth a try
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L364[05:59:40] <mischief> how do i make it
not blow up :(
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L366[06:10:29] <mischief> this uh, sounds
like my problem
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L369[06:19:40] <Eddi|zuHause> so, after
making another attempt with the graphics card, i determine that
it's now properly broken...
L370[06:20:54] <Eddi|zuHause> put it in,
seemed to start fine, rebooted, because a HDD cable came loose in
the process, and after that, booting fails with a blank screen and
a long beep
L371[06:21:28] <mischief> did you try
putting it in the oven
L372[06:21:35] <Eddi|zuHause> no
L374[06:21:48] <mischief> as soon as i
take off, it shakes itself to death :(
L375[06:21:52] <Eddi|zuHause> i wanted to,
but then i didn't have a spare oven to ruin
L376[06:22:27] <Rolf> kraken no like
L377[06:22:37] <Eddi|zuHause> more
struts!
L378[06:22:42] <Gasher[work]> mischief,
what thing starts to shake? legs?
L379[06:22:44] <Althego> you still trying
to use those chutes?
L380[06:22:45] <Althego> why?
L381[06:22:51] <Althego> cute kerbal at
the top
L382[06:23:00] <mischief> Gasher[work]:
um, all of it
L383[06:23:21] <mischief> rather, it is
difficult to discern which piece begins the shaking.
L384[06:23:30] <Eddi|zuHause> shaking even
without SAS?
L385[06:23:34] <Gasher[work]> i was
thinking of increasing leg springs' strength and damping but that
might not be the case
L386[06:23:36] <Althego> for landing the
highest mass with lowest speed, you need the blue ones. only 1-2
orange ones are needed to slow you down for the blue ones to
activate safely
L387[06:24:07] <mischief> i've got no sas
on
L388[06:24:07] <Gasher[work]> Althego,
that kerbal knows that the safest spot on the vessel is
outside
L389[06:24:20] <mischief> and when i take
off, i put the landing gears up first
L390[06:24:31] <mischief> before it would
just explode simply by turning off the drill
L391[06:24:36] <mischief> but i worked
around that i guess
L392[06:25:38] <mischief> hm
L393[06:26:35] <mischief> i think it's
some combination of the ore tanks, the ship's body and the circular
batteries
L394[06:26:37] <darsie> mischief: Get
KJR
L395[06:26:51] <mischief> underneath those
ore tanks is this as the core of my ship
L396[06:26:54] <mischief> Kerbodyne
ADTP-2-3
L397[06:27:31] <mischief> it's also
possible the parachutes are clipping the batteries, and somehow the
tanks being full triggers unplanned deconstruction.
L398[06:28:16] <Eddi|zuHause> these chutes
seem near useless to me
L399[06:29:57] <mischief> even applying
the tiniest amount of thrust to my engines triggers it
L400[06:30:40] <Eddi|zuHause> and if you
retract gear first?
L401[06:30:55] <mischief> same.
L402[06:31:29] <darsie> mischief: Get
KJR
L403[06:31:45] <GlassYuri> "Passwords
should be 8 or more characters and should contain at least 1
uppercase letter, 1 lowercase letter, a number and a symbol
(!£$%@?) e.g. Abcd1234&"
L404[06:31:53] <GlassYuri> what a great
example
L405[06:32:01] <Althego> what a bad
example
L406[06:32:12] <Eddi|zuHause> GlassYuri:
now guess how many people used that exact example as their
password?
L407[06:32:15] <Althego> or great example
how not to use password
L408[06:32:16] <mischief> hrm
L409[06:32:24] <mischief> i think my ship
is spontaneously getting warm
L410[06:32:28] <Althego> with this i would
be forced to use the minimal length password what i would still
forget
L411[06:32:50] <Eddi|zuHause> it's like
every single part of that message is wrong
L412[06:33:07] <GlassYuri> Eddi|zuHause,
the website does seem to accept that password when I copypaste
it
L413[06:33:16] <mischief> why is my ship
getting hot D:
L414[06:33:54] <Eddi|zuHause> are you sure
you pointed the engines away from the ship? :p
L415[06:34:58] <GlassYuri> "I accept
the *"
L416[06:40:45] <Eddi|zuHause> man i really
need a new computer :/
L417[06:41:52] <mischief> darsie:
unfortunately i don't think this mod works in my version of
ksp.
L418[06:42:06] <darsie> Sometimes they
do.
L419[06:43:24] <mischief> well, i put it
in my game folder and my ship still 'sploded.
L420[06:43:34] <darsie> ok
L421[06:43:53] <Eddi|zuHause> with the
older graphics card seemingly half the games can't run... :/
L422[06:43:57] <GlassYuri> is
"booking name" the reference number or the name I used
when booking the hostel
L423[06:44:16] <darsie> mischief: If you
give me the ship file I'll try it.
L424[06:44:35] <mischief> um.. ok
L425[06:44:43] <Eddi|zuHause> GlassYuri:
i'd guess the name you used to book
L426[06:44:46] <mischief> darsie: i have
ksp version 1.4.4 for windows
L427[06:44:57] <mischief> darsie: i had to
fly to minmus and mine ore... so thats what i did.
L428[06:44:59] <darsie> I have 1.5.1
linux
L429[06:45:13] <mischief> hm. maybe i
should update. it might be fixed
L430[06:45:19] <GlassYuri> Eddi|zuHause, I
guess so, I may have been confused because I (mis)remembered the
form as asking for the number instead
L431[06:45:21] <Eddi|zuHause> it probably
isn't
L432[06:45:25] <GlassYuri> still the
wording could be better
L433[06:45:26] <darsie> You didn't have
to, it was your choice :).
L434[06:46:29] <Eddi|zuHause> have you
ever had this feeling that you played a game for too long, tried a
different game, didn't run, now you don't know what to play?
L435[06:46:30] <mischief> darsie: this
should be it
L437[06:46:55] <mischief> forgive my..
lack of design
L438[06:48:41] <darsie> ok
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L440[06:50:59] <darsie> mischief: Hmm,
doesn't show up in my game.
L441[06:51:54] <darsie> I downloaded it to
/saves/darsie/Ships/VAB
L442[06:52:01] <darsie> I'm drunk, maybe
I'm missing something.
L443[06:53:11] <darsie> Hmm, it has
Windows newlines...
L444[06:54:54] <GlassYuri> anyone here
know my paypal password
L445[06:56:00] <Alanonzander> GlassYuri:
it is 123456
L446[06:56:07] <Alanonzander> :P
L447[06:57:09] <GlassYuri> that's too
short
L448[06:57:28] <Alanonzander> so it is
1234567890
L449[06:57:33] <GlassYuri> I found my
alipay password
L450[06:59:07] <mischief> darsie: maybe
because the file name dont match the ship name
L451[06:59:16] <mischief> original file is
'Minmus Extractor Mk I.craft'
L452[06:59:23] <mischief> or maybe the
windows newlines, idk
L453[06:59:45] <mischief> maybe you can
run dos2unix on it :)
L454[07:00:05] <mischief> or maybe its not
compatible because its from 1.4.4?
L455[07:01:12] <GlassYuri> requested
password reset, email doesn't arrive
L456[07:04:58] <Eddi|zuHause> that is my
typical experience with these things :p
L457[07:05:59] <Eddi|zuHause> so, heating
up the oven now. i'm going to regret this :/
L458[07:06:12] <GlassYuri> after password
reset, still asked me for the security questions
L459[07:06:42] <GlassYuri> somehow got
past these, but now the new password contains too many swear words
for the character limit
L460[07:07:07] <Eddi|zuHause> always these
hunter2
L461[07:09:39] <darsie> mischief: Doesn't
work without CR.
L462[07:11:37] <darsie> mischief: Got it.
Had to delete the original, as the name is pulled out of the file,
not the file name.
L463[07:12:58] <mischief> heey
L464[07:13:05] <mischief> i fixed my ship
somehow with autostrut
L465[07:13:17] <mischief> i didnt have the
advanced tweakables on before
L466[07:13:49] <mischief> i set some parts
to autostrut including the ore tanks and the kraken did not attack
:D
L467[07:15:27] <Althego> always have
advanced tweakables on. why hide it, it is really useful
L468[07:16:07] <mischief> i never knew
about it before
L469[07:19:05] <mischief> somehow i don't
really think i should need to click a hidden button to turn off the
unplanned deconstruction sequence built into my ship *shrug*
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L471[07:27:31] <Althego> hehe
L472[07:27:53] <Althego> but this is the
evil in it, there are all kinds of useful things in there and the
game hides it by default
L473[07:28:01] <Althego> probably to not
confuse people
L474[07:28:41] <Althego> self oscillating
energy generator explosions happen typically when something is
clipping, or in some cases when you moved some parts too far away
from where they want to be
L475[07:28:47] <Eddi|zuHause> card is in
the oven, no going back now
L476[07:28:52] <Althego> hehe
L477[07:29:06] <Althego> hmm, do i smell
fresh flux? :)
L478[07:29:19] <darsie> mischief: Did you
put the large heat shield on top to keep acceleration for the crew
comfortable? :)
L479[07:29:29] <Althego> hehe
L480[07:29:39] <Althego> i guess the goal
is to use that for reentry
L481[07:30:07] <mischief> it just saved my
butt getting back to kerbin
L482[07:30:28] <Eddi|zuHause> what about
your head then?
L483[07:30:39] <mischief> singed.
L484[07:30:50] <Althego> hehe
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L486[07:31:04] <Althego> yes, this will be
singed for a long time :9
L487[07:31:50] <darsie> mischief: What's
the contract? Bring ? amount of ore to Kerbin?
L488[07:32:08] <mischief> 2800 ore from
minmus to kerbin.
L489[07:32:44] <mischief> that's why my
ship is covered in ore tanks, looking like some kind of bomb
L490[07:33:10] <Eddi|zuHause> did we
figure out yet whether the contract just checks for "has 2800
ore, craft has been on minimus" or actual origin of the
ore?
L491[07:33:11] <darsie> I'd use large
tanks inline, but maybe you don't have them.
L492[07:33:26] <mischief> i don't, in this
career mode.
L493[07:34:34] <darsie> GTG, bbl.
L494[07:34:40] <mischief> cya
L495[07:43:31] <Eddi|zuHause> rtfm
L496[07:44:07] <Eddi|zuHause> (sorry, i
think i got my abbreviations mixed up there :p)
L497[08:08:31] <mischief> welp. mission
failed.
L498[08:09:26] <mischief> but hey, bill
kerman made it back alive
L499[08:09:29] <mischief> ... barely
L500[08:09:48] <Althego> burned up?
L501[08:12:10] <mischief> those orange
chutes did not slow me down sufficiently.
L502[08:12:16] <mischief> even 8 of
them.
L503[08:12:25] <Althego> as i said
L504[08:12:30] <Althego> i warned you
twice
L505[08:12:33] <mischief> i was moving at
59m/s on kerbin..
L506[08:12:41] <Althego> how about engine
on?
L507[08:12:48] <mischief> no fuel.
L508[08:12:55] <Althego> bit tight fuel
margins
L509[08:13:34] <Althego> i would have used
the tiny orange chutes and blue for everything else
L510[08:13:48] <Althego> i mean you can
clip a few of those tiny oranges anywahere
L511[08:13:51] <Althego> anywhere
L512[08:18:15] <Eddi|zuHause> never ever
needed an orange chute, but haven't tried bringing back something
really heavy either
L513[08:24:47] <mischief> this is like.
40t.
L514[08:25:54] <Althego> orange chute, the
only thing you need on duna
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L516[08:26:00] <Althego> the other are
around useless
L517[08:27:38] <Eddi|zuHause> so, thing
cooled down, probably made a mistake putting the heatsink back
on...
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L520[08:29:28] <hoglahoo> i mean i guess
if i had planned it differently i wouldnt need any chutes
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L522[08:29:43] <Althego> ot is good to
have at least a few orange
L523[08:29:45] <Althego> then land on
rockets
L524[08:30:01] <Althego> orange chutes
with max altitude deployment set
L525[08:30:07] <Althego> they eat up most
of the speed
L526[08:30:17] <Althego> and land softly
with minimal delta v on the rockets
L527[08:30:22] <Althego> i stole that idea
from mars landers :)
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L530[08:54:17] <Eddi|zuHause> well, at
least it boots?
L531[08:54:39] <Althego> hehe
L532[08:57:17] <Eddi|zuHause> but some fan
suddenly got loud...
L533[08:58:36] <Eddi|zuHause> i think it's
the PSU fan
L534[08:58:43] <Althego> stranfe
L535[08:58:48] <Althego> maybe a
short?
L536[08:59:19] <Eddi|zuHause> i had a
problem with a screw falling down, and the PSU is at the bottom and
it fell in
L537[08:59:32] <Eddi|zuHause> had to take
the PSU out, and wiggle it a bit so the screw came back out
L538[08:59:33] <Althego> au
L539[08:59:47] <Eddi|zuHause> and then put
in the PSU the other way around so maybe that doesn't happen
again
L540[09:00:18] <Althego> what, you put it
in backwards?
L541[09:00:43] <Eddi|zuHause> sure.
backwards :p
L542[09:01:04] <Eddi|zuHause> no, put the
top at the bottom
L543[09:01:37] <Althego> that is even
worse
L544[09:01:46] <Althego> you disturb the
intended heatflow
L545[09:02:02] <Eddi|zuHause> the fan is
now on the bottom, and there are holes there where air can come
in
L546[09:02:03] <Althego> that can make a
significant difference in temperature
L547[09:02:13] <Eddi|zuHause> i have other
case fans handling CPU heat
L548[09:02:36] <Althego> but the psu heat
may be problematic now, unless it was upside down to begin
with
L549[09:03:25] <Eddi|zuHause> i might turn
it back around, or put my other one back in
L550[09:03:42] <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe i
find some oil
L551[09:05:36] <Althego> and immerse it in
oil?
L552[09:11:31] <Eddi|zuHause> no, make the
fan quieter
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L557[09:49:11] <thelounge29> Hello
L558[09:49:14] <Mod9000> Hello,
thelounge29
L559[09:49:58] <thelounge29> I forgot my
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L564[10:12:13] <BPlayer> Thank you for the
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L568[10:57:00] <raptop> hi
L569[10:57:01] <Mod9000> Hello,
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L572[10:57:12] <raptop> okay, I was being
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L579[12:02:13] <Neal> was there a major
dres update or soemthing?
L580[12:05:34] <Althego> hehe no
L581[12:05:42] <Althego> 1.5 has the name
dressed for success
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L583[12:19:01] <raptop> ^
L584[12:20:31] <Neal> dang
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L593[12:53:31] <Eddi|zuHause> hehe, but
that sentence is still kinda funnny :)
L594[12:54:52] <Eddi|zuHause> on a
separate note, so far i haven't had any serious problems with the
graphics card, but it might be a bit early to call it a
success
L595[13:00:24] <hoglahoo> is it too early
to call it mission accomplished
L596[13:02:31] <Eddi|zuHause> oh no, the
mission is totally accomplished.
L597[13:04:52] <Althego> don't mess with
the missionary man
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L600[13:08:57] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Newton? I hardly knew em!
L601[13:11:12] <Althego> i dont get it.
probably for the better
L602[13:11:18] <Scolar_Visari> Visari's
Law of Optics: If someone starts measuring the strength of a device
based on the amount of megapixels it has, they probably don't know
what they are talking about.
L603[13:11:49] <Scolar_Visari> Case in
point: "One of the problems of digital microscopes is they
also seem to live in this 1 megapixal world so they do not
digitally enlarge very much"
L604[13:12:26] <Althego> why would i want
digital zoom
L605[13:13:14] <Scolar_Visari> It got
worse: "When magnifying, the pixels have to be smaller as the
microbes are smaller, as being smaller 20mpixels are smaller than
6x4mm which is harder to make and its doubtful these landers have
an adequate electric supply to run these gadgets without which
these 4billion year old fossilis will be passed by
unseen"
L606[13:14:06] <Scolar_Visari> Every time
someone believes that detecting microfossils from a sample is as
easy as observing with a microscope, Charles Darwin strikes down a
finch.
L607[13:17:21] <Althego> how do you detect
them?
L608[13:17:57] <Althego> btw nothin on
mars is searching for microfossils, neither will be 2020
L609[13:18:06] <Althego> they should give
a name to that thing
L610[13:18:31] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
The samples have to be prepared (physically removing dust, for
instance), and small microorganism fossils are particularly
difficult to differentiate from geological phenomenon.
L611[13:19:19] <Scolar_Visari> We take
fossils of monocellular organisms or their colonies for granted on
Earth because Earth is known to have life, whereas that same luxury
cannot be afforded for Martian astrobiology.
L612[13:19:24] <Althego> hehe a bit rainy
in sydney
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L615[13:20:27] <Scolar_Visari> It seems
that *every* time a Mars mission is mentioned, at least one person
assumes that looking for fossils would be trivial despite the
reality that fossils on the surface would've been obliterated long
ago and that there's more work involved than pointing a
camera.
L616[13:20:47] *
Scolar_Visari glares at Mars' reactive surface chemistry and
surface radiation.
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L618[13:21:22] <Althego> make it simple,
terraform mars, then it will be easy to look for life :)
L619[13:21:57] <Scolar_Visari> I've seen
Ghosts of Mars, IT IS NOT SIMPLE!
L620[13:23:13] <Althego> heh nothing new
from insight
L621[13:23:25] <Althego> they will do
everything so slowly
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L623[13:23:31] <Althego> it drives me
crazy
L624[13:23:47] <Scolar_Visari> You can't
really do anything fast with teleoperation on an energy starved
robot.
L625[13:23:56] <Scolar_Visari>
Particularly when they're many light-minutes away!
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L627[13:24:59] <Althego> and they have to
be extremely cautious with every movement of the arm
L628[13:25:16] <Althego> but it will be
some weeks until we get to arm operation
L629[13:25:39] <Scolar_Visari> This is
pretty typical, really. Even Lunokhod took its sweet time, and it
just moved around on the Moon.
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L631[13:27:57] <Althego> action lab got ad
sponsored by google assistant
L632[13:29:28] <Scolar_Visari> Google
Assistant . . . Is that Alexa but more invasive?
L633[13:29:36] <Althego> looks like
it
L634[13:30:11] <Althego> hah this with the
double pendulum is nice
L636[13:32:46] <Althego> i thought it
would be a lonely panther engine next to a wreck of a plane
L637[13:33:38] <Scolar_Visari> Nope. Their
natural habitat is in fact by the side of the road.
L638[13:33:45] <Althego> hehe
L639[13:33:52] <Althego> the best
manufacturer
L640[13:33:53] <Scolar_Visari> The horse
drawn carriage with the broken parts was delayed because the horses
were eaten.
L641[13:34:38] <Althego> what is this
mortal engines?
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L643[13:34:56] <Scolar_Visari> Not the
engine so much as the transmission.
L644[13:35:29] <Scolar_Visari> Something
something overweight something something what could go wrong
L645[13:35:30] <Althego> hmm, steampunk
london
L646[13:35:45] <Althego> nice
L647[13:36:00] <Althego> but if it was
steampunk london, why not make it a frostpunk movie :)
L648[13:36:33] <Scolar_Visari> Because
everyone freezes to death at the end!
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L664[15:31:57] <kmath> <joeltelling>
If you get the chance, I highly suggest viewing rockets with
@ElectroBOOMGuy, @SimoneGiertz, and @wintergatan (from…
https://t.co/j3HxxaZjJe
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L672[16:13:30] <Deddly> Did Google just
remove the number of hits in search results?
L673[16:15:48] <Deddly> Huh. Apparently
just for that particular search.
L674[16:16:06] <Deddly> Try searching for
"materials list"
L675[16:18:32] <hoglahoo> odd. material
list doesnt trigger it
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L678[16:20:18] <Deddly> Hmm
L679[16:20:29] <Deddly> The new one still
has hit counts in that image, though
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L689[17:56:41] <darsie> mischief: Yeah,
explodes here (1.5.1 Linux), too.
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L691[17:59:47] <mischief> darsie: you
mined ore on minmus and tried to take off?
L692[17:59:59] <darsie> yep
L693[18:00:15] <darsie> drills and
radiators retracted.
L694[18:00:23] <mischief> darsie: turn on
autostrut of some kind (i forgot which) on the ore barrels
L695[18:00:42] <darsie> That would require
me to fly again?
L696[18:00:57] <mischief> if that doesn't
work, i think i also added autostrut to the parachutes, and also
the radially-mounted fuel tanks
L697[18:01:11] <mischief> darsie: well,
nevermind
L698[18:01:27] <mischief> i need to
redesign the ship any way, because it isn't landable on
kerbin.
L699[18:02:51] <darsie> KJR doesn't help,
either. I guess it's not active cause it's incompatible with
1.5.1.
L700[18:05:16] <mischief> got any bright
ideas for an ore ship to bring 2800 back from minmus? :P
L701[18:05:59] <mischief> i almost
certainly need more solar panels
L702[18:06:04] <mischief> and more
parachutes.
L703[18:06:14] <mischief> or, uh, better
parachutes.
L704[18:07:04] <darsie> mischief: How
about clustering tanks in an inline fairing.
L705[18:26:50] <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i seem
to have forgotten how to play surviving mars
L707[18:28:15] <Eddi|zuHause> mischief:
once again, blue parachutes are better than orange parachutes
L708[18:30:12] <mischief> darsie: it just
makes it very tall
L709[18:30:41] <mischief> because i need
like 9x300ore tanks + 2 small tanks to fit the payload i need
L710[18:30:59] <mischief> ah
L711[18:31:07] <mischief> i used the
tri-stack adapter
L712[18:31:19] <mischief> i guess placing
them sideways radially could work but that seems unstable
L713[18:32:18] <darsie> Gotta land
carefully.
L714[18:32:35] <Eddi|zuHause> use more
struts
L715[18:32:50] <mischief> whats 'rigid
attachment'?
L716[18:33:03] <Eddi|zuHause> no idea,
didn't seem to do anything when i tried it
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L719[18:40:02] <mischief> gotta redesign
the base now
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L721[18:42:09] <mischief> gotta figure out
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L723[18:45:12] <Eddi|zuHause> on the
bottom of the tanks? (opposite of the heatshield?)
L724[18:45:23] <Eddi|zuHause> or just use
a bunch of the sideways chutes
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L727[18:49:07] <mischief> yeah, i added
some radially.
L728[18:50:38] <Eddi|zuHause> remember,
mostly blue, only very few orange
L729[18:51:02] <Eddi|zuHause> (and stage
the orange ones first, then the blue ones)
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L732[19:04:23] <mischief> the tank stack
is not structurally sound
L733[19:04:28] <mischief> it starts
shaking in flight
L734[19:06:07] <mischief> hm.. nothing a
little autostrut cant fix.
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L755[22:16:50] <mischief> mine is huge
compared to that, lol
L756[22:16:55] <darsie> :)
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L758[22:16:58] <JVFoxy> chutes....
L759[22:17:11] <JVFoxy> planning to bring
ore home? Or I missing something?
L760[22:17:16] <darsie> 2800 ore
L761[22:17:18] <mischief> JVFoxy:
yes
L762[22:17:21] <mischief> a mission.
L763[22:17:23] <darsie> From Minmus.
L764[22:17:43] <JVFoxy> ouch
L765[22:18:01] <JVFoxy> made a robotic ore
carrier for Mun but never used it. :\
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L767[22:19:08] <darsie> Bill is just there
to operate the drills (does it even help?) But he did steer the
ship when the computer exploded, which didn't happen when I finally
made it.
L768[22:19:43] <mischief> engineer makes a
huge difference
L769[22:19:56] <darsie> If you want to
save time.
L770[22:20:10] <mischief> yes
L771[22:20:16] <mischief> without it it
takes like 1 day per 1 ore
L772[22:20:18] <mischief> >_>
L773[22:20:40] <darsie> rly?
L774[22:21:38] <darsie> That's 10 min at
100,000x warp.
L775[22:21:39] <JVFoxy> I've always
wondered: does engineer just have to be in the craft or does he
need a command seat as well?
L776[22:21:54] <darsie> just be,
IMO.
L777[22:22:01] <mischief> in the craft
methinks
L778[22:22:06] <JVFoxy> alright
L779[22:22:12] <JVFoxy> I haven't messed
with things that far yet
L780[22:24:05] <darsie> Heat shield are
overrated ;).
L781[22:25:05] <JVFoxy> only if its Mk1
pod and coming down from circular 70km orbit...
L782[22:25:45] <darsie> You can get there
with several shallow passes.
L783[22:25:52] <JVFoxy> speaking of
heat... does Sci Jr still have stupid heating issues on re-entry? I
seem to recall stupid thing would blow up regardless what shield
you put in front of it.
L784[22:31:15] <Eddi|zuHause> when was
that?
L785[22:31:22] <Eddi|zuHause> never had
that kind of problem
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L788[22:35:22] <JVFoxy> a number of
versions back. built a probe with a sci jr can, at first behind a
heat shield.. then when that failed, a few extra parts, that still
failed.
L789[22:39:39] <JVFoxy> was a couple of
yearseback. for a while, people were asking if the jr was extra
fragile... then the option to close the doors supposedly
helped?
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L792[22:42:36] *
darsie flies a materials bay ...
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L795[22:44:31] <mischief> made it :p
L796[22:44:37] <mischief> fell over, but
the ore is intact.
L797[22:46:40] <darsie> yay :)
L798[22:46:52] <darsie> I broke some
parts, too.
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L801[22:52:33] <JVFoxy> ugh.. this was a
while back. V1.05, robotic ore transfer vehicle for Mun... sorry
don't recall engine(s) I used for it.
https://imgur.com/a/Q75bh5f
L803[22:53:28] <darsie> lolwut? That made
orbit?
L804[22:55:01] <JVFoxy> ... no.. not on
its own
L805[22:55:08] <JVFoxy> jsut showing base
unit.
L806[22:55:34] <darsie> ok :)
L807[22:59:57] <JVFoxy> just checking
thumb pictures.. ya never got around to building the launcher. I
think I mostly cheated it out to the mun to test landing and
relaunching preformances.
L808[23:00:28] <JVFoxy> I still haven't
really done much with ore extraction and the ISRU..
L809[23:01:51] <mischief> i just started
playing again
L810[23:02:01] <mischief> but last i
played i'd tried to make a mun miner
L811[23:02:04] <mischief> it was quite
goofy
L812[23:03:36] <JVFoxy> I'd like to do
something done in separate modules. Otherwise I feel the craft
would be a bit ungainly if you try to put everything into one
build.
L813[23:04:36] <mischief> jeez, duna takes
264 ingame days to get to?
L814[23:05:32] <JVFoxy> in game
days...
L815[23:05:50] <JVFoxy> kerbal days way
shorter than real life days
L816[23:06:19] <mischief> mainly worried
about keeping ingame day count short and not expiring
contracts
L817[23:06:23] <mischief> since im in
career mode
L818[23:06:37] <mischief> but i have most
research nodes done already a 2y220d
L819[23:06:40] <mischief> at*
L822[23:12:10] <JVFoxy> ya some people
back in the day said the bay would blow up without warning...
shrug
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L825[23:34:39] <mischief> damnit
L826[23:34:42] <mischief> this must be
another bug
L827[23:34:54] <mischief> i wapred to
align planets and now i can't control my ship on the
launchpad.
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L829[23:37:48] <taniwha> mischief: probe
core? no launch clamps? no solar panels/rtgs?
L830[23:37:55] <taniwha> (no open
panels)
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L833[23:39:26] <Draconiator> Why does this
LED work with a button cell battery, but not with a AA
battery?
L834[23:39:49] <taniwha> Draconiator: got
the polarity wrong?
L835[23:40:06] <taniwha> or, button has
higher voltage
L836[23:41:07] <JVFoxy> Mischief are you
using a probe core and don't have stability enhancers?
L837[23:42:01] <taniwha> most likely probe
+ no usable power source
L838[23:42:13] <taniwha> = dead on pad
after warping
L839[23:42:22] <taniwha> (drained
battery)
L840[23:43:05] <JVFoxy> enhancers supply a
small amount of power while holding your ship.
L841[23:43:11] <mischief> yeah, i forgot
to open the panel on the launchpad
L842[23:43:39] <JVFoxy> you could but long
as its daylight :)
L843[23:46:06] <taniwha> JVFoxy: no they
do not
L844[23:46:11] <taniwha> they drain
power
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L846[23:46:41] <taniwha> mischief: launch
clamps provide power
L847[23:46:54] <mischief> oh, huh.
L848[23:47:27] <taniwha> er... unless
JVFoxy meant launch clamps by stability enhanders
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L850[23:48:15] <JVFoxy> ya....
L851[23:48:49] <JVFoxy> TT18-A Launch
Stability Enhancer
L852[23:48:53] <taniwha> I think of SAS
units when I hear/read stability enhancer
L853[23:48:55] <JVFoxy> or aka launch
clamps.. shrug
L854[23:49:06] <taniwha> thus, sorry
:)
L855[23:49:12] <JVFoxy> I guess my bad for
not adding 'Launch' oops
L856[23:50:06] <Draconiator>
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeep the voltage was the issue.
L857[23:51:19] <JVFoxy> button has 3v, AA
only 1.5 if you are lucky
L858[23:51:37] <taniwha> and leds tend to
be 1.6+ to light
L859[23:53:24] <JVFoxy> its about 3v..
depends on color. recommend adding a current limiting resistor so
kinda brings volts down a little.
L860[23:55:17] <Draconiator> yeah I'll
need to put 2 AAs together
L861[23:59:25] <JVFoxy> AAAs even...