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L1[00:34:35] <Althego> finally, today is the
day
L3[00:42:32] <kmath> <✔elonmusk> Earth
is
L4[00:42:50] <Althego> 1 falt 2 hollow 3
flat and hollow
L5[00:44:07] <Althego> is elon actually a
kekistani? :)
L7[00:45:12] <kmath> <✔elonmusk> ?
trouble
L8[00:45:23] <Althego> lol
L9[00:59:20] <Gasher[work]> massaraksh
L10[01:14:19] <Rolf> flat AND hollow?
lol
L11[01:27:12] <Gasher[work]> i sense there
is 'ur mom' somewhere in that discussion
L12[01:49:05] <Rolf> flat and hollow sounds
like minecraft all mined out but retaining shell on top of
land
L13[02:02:55] <Althego> maybe a bit
inappropriate, but earth sent a robotic warrior to mars to
penetrate it with a german steel rod :)
L14[02:03:18] <Rolf> nothing like german
rod
L15[02:05:04] <Rolf> science will be
interesting
L16[02:05:31] <Althego> i just found out
now that it also has a laser retroreflector
L17[02:06:00] <Althego> but unlike on the
moon, that is not measurable from earth
L18[02:06:03] <Rolf> for us to reflect
laser from earth to mars? sounds kinda hard
L20[02:06:24] <Althego> so somebody needs
to send a laser equipped orbiter
L21[02:06:56] <Althego> also it will
collect dust, so probably losing efficiency
L22[02:08:45] <Rolf> indeed
L23[02:09:31] <Althego> if it is possible
to radar venus it should be possible to laser mars
L24[02:09:47] <Althego> there are plans for
future communications to use laser
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L38[03:45:29] <Althego> lol
L39[03:45:39] <Althego> the millis
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L47[05:39:16] <Eddi|zuHause> guys, earth is
obviously hollow and we're on the INSIDE. otherwise, how would
shoes wear out on the front and back first? that can only happen on
concave surfaces
L48[05:43:25] <AIwrk> that's what i
referred to when i said massaraksh
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L50[05:48:59] <Eddi|zuHause> never heard
that word before
L53[05:56:30] <GlassYuri> Eddi|zuHause, the
shoe argument is total BS. that wear mainly comes from colliding
with invisible walls
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L55[06:00:46] <GlassYuri> so after like two
weeks shanghai immigration finally told me that there is an
official loophole in the "must have train ticket only sold in
china before entering china" rule
L56[06:01:30] <Eddi|zuHause> AIwrk: but
there the word seems to mean the opposite
L57[06:02:11] <GlassYuri> namely, having a
booking confirmation from a travel agent showing that I will
receive a pre-purchased ticket after entering china is enough
L58[06:03:08] <AIwrk> Eddi|zuHause, yes,
but it is a reference to a world which is a hollow sphere. the word
is catchy and is constantly used in the novel
L59[06:04:33] <GlassYuri> the responese
consisted of a single sentence and the sender literally being
'zzz@sh-immigration.gov.cn', not sure how that could have possibly
taken that long. maybe the printout fell under the fax machine or
so
L60[06:06:15] <GlassYuri> why is the one
true star wars battlefront almost a 6 GB download. don't remember
games being that large 13 years ago
L61[06:08:37] <Eddi|zuHause> then they
invented patch distribution systems?
L62[06:10:18] <Eddi|zuHause> also, they did
have DVDs back then, which means about 4.5GB
L63[06:10:36] <GlassYuri> aren't steam
downloads compressed though
L64[06:10:37] <Eddi|zuHause> or 8GB with
double layer
L65[06:11:03] <GlassYuri> I also forgot
that my C drive only has 36 GB left
L66[06:11:18] <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't
help for data which already is compressed, or notoriously
uncompressible
L67[06:11:43] *
KrazyKrl wavs
L68[06:12:07] <Eddi|zuHause> WAVs are
semi-poorly compressible
L69[06:12:16] <Eddi|zuHause> which is what
they invented mp3 for
L70[06:12:43] <GlassYuri> I won't be
surprised if all cutscenes are duplicated for every language
L71[06:13:28] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly
sure multi-language videos were possible back then
L72[06:13:36] <KrazyKrl> i wouldn't be
suprised if they had some arbitary compression scheme that has to
be decompressed, files changed (or overwritten), then
recompressed.
L73[06:13:50] <KrazyKrl> (i'm looking at
you company of heroes)
L74[06:14:25] <KrazyKrl> Or you could use
unreal engine, and have to distribute whole .upk archives, since
they are serialized data.
L75[06:16:32] <GlassYuri> unreal "use
unity if you are worried about file size overhead"
engine
L76[06:16:53] <KrazyKrl> Yea... but garbage
collection / 10
L77[06:18:14] <Eddi|zuHause> your MOM is
garbage collection (sorry, idk what came over me there)
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L80[06:18:48] <GlassYuri> have you seen the
recent unity demos? gc isn't even the problem with well written
code, it appears to be loading RAM into CPU memory
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L84[06:19:26] <Eddi|zuHause> have you seen
code recently? most of it is not well-written
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L87[06:19:59] <GlassYuri> well 93% of unity
users are script kiddies
L88[06:20:27] <Eddi|zuHause> and that
proves whose point now? :p
L89[06:21:35] <KrazyKrl> unity makes it
easy to write bad programs... C# just amplifies the problem.
L90[06:21:50] <GlassYuri> Eddi|zuHause,
sturgeons law
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L92[06:22:07] <Rolf> so language should be
torturious? like brainF***?
L93[06:23:21] <Eddi|zuHause> how did this
turn into "but real programmers use <X>"?
L94[06:23:45] <Rolf> real programmers use
what is applicable
L95[06:23:46] <GlassYuri> real programmers
use their brains
L96[06:23:53] <KrazyKrl> garbage collecting
languages make sense in only one case: rapid development.
L97[06:24:27] <Eddi|zuHause> you can write
bad code in any language. just whatever meme language is fancy this
month will attract the bigger crowd of bad (and potentially good)
programmers
L98[06:24:55] <Eddi|zuHause> also, good
programmers write bad code when they are in a rush, or have wrong
corporate incentives
L99[06:27:23] <Rolf> example: pacman for
atari
L100[06:32:01] <KrazyKrl> example:
gamebryo engine(now known as creation engine)
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L121[10:20:03] <Althego> hehe almost 3
hours until the stream starts and there is already flat earth going
on in the chat
L122[10:20:36] <Kalpa> I'm just watching
Manley's newest youtube flick
L123[10:20:49] <Eddi|zuHause> stream about
mars landing?
L124[10:20:56] <Eddi|zuHause> is there a
flat mars theory?
L125[10:23:12] <Althego> no
L126[10:23:18] <Althego> remember elon
joked about this
L127[10:23:28] <Kalpa> I don't
remember.
L128[10:23:39] <Althego> the reply from
the flat earth society was that unlike earth mars was observed to
be round
L129[10:24:16] <Kalpa> But isn't flat
earth society a known troll club
L130[10:24:31] <Althego> although some
clueless people who dont know how to focus a camera or telescope,
think that planets are some kind of plasma
L131[10:24:41] <Althego> yes they are, but
there are real flat earthers
L132[10:25:18] <Althego> typical claims
include earth is flat and non rotating, sun and moon hover above
and fly in circles, also maybe moon has its own light that makes
things colder
L133[10:25:35] <Althego> also space doesnt
exist
L134[10:25:49] <Althego> and rockets dont
work in space
L135[10:26:21] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm always
trying to picture a "re-enlightenment" movement in 500
years digging up archeological evidence of internet logs and saying
"look how primitive these people were"
L136[10:26:30] <Althego> hehe
L137[10:26:52] <Althego> we are not less
primitive than people who lived 10k years ago
L138[10:27:11] <Eddi|zuHause> no, but we
are at the beginning of a new medieval age...
L139[10:29:32] <Kalpa> Nonsense. Aquinas
spoke of the mythical City on the Hill.
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L141[10:33:08] <Althego> hehe, "just
in case, i really mean it this time, i am scott manley, fly
safe"
L142[10:34:31] <Eclipser> Kalpa, thanks...
now I have to play deus ex...
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L145[10:51:18] <sandbox> hollow mars
L146[10:56:42] <Kalpa> Eclipser: You're
welcome
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L150[11:13:00] <Eddi|zuHause> 10 channels?
doesn't WLAN already have like 14?
L151[11:16:46] <Fluburtur> idk
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L158[11:28:13] <Eddi|zuHause> putting a
network on one channel apparently disturbs several adjacent
channels, so effectively (in 802.11g) networks can use the channels
1,5,9 and 13 (or in america they have fewer channels, and put them
on 1,6 and 11)
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L160[11:28:39] <Eddi|zuHause> talking
about the 2.4GHz range here
L161[11:28:54] <Fluburtur> rc stuff
probably uses a different protocol
L162[11:29:30] <Eddi|zuHause> depends on
how wide they define their channels, possibly.
L163[11:29:38] <Eddi|zuHause> but this is
a shared frequency range
L164[11:29:51] <Eddi|zuHause> so expect
loads of interference in crowded areas like cities
L165[11:30:08] <Fluburtur> that's not
really separate frequencies, it sends a digital streams that gets
decoded into several control channels
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L167[11:31:00] <Eddi|zuHause> ah,
different kind of channel then
L168[11:31:05] <Fluburtur> yeah
L169[11:31:13] <Fluburtur> it isn't old
analog radio stuff
L170[11:31:22] <Fluburtur> and even then,
that was just a single channel that was decoded
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L173[11:33:47] <Eddi|zuHause> the
"channels" in the WLAN standard are 20MHz-wide
separations of the 2.4GHz band, to ensure multiple networks can
operate in parallel without disturbing each other
L174[11:35:16] <Eddi|zuHause> so if you're
experiencing lots of data loss, you could switch your WLAN to a
different channel
L175[11:35:41] <Fluburtur> well, those
have a bunch of channels and they switch between them very
nice
L176[11:35:42] <Eddi|zuHause> (most home
routers do some kind of detection run to avoid busy channels)
L177[11:35:50] <Fluburtur> but otherwise
all the data stream is on one channel
L178[11:36:00] <Fluburtur> very fast*
huh
L179[11:36:24] <Eddi|zuHause> you can also
combine channels for faster data transmission
L180[11:36:46] <Fluburtur> just sending a
servo signal doesn't require much
L181[11:37:00] <Fluburtur> I guess the
most intense data flow is the telemtry data the plane sends back to
me
L182[11:37:17] <Fluburtur> in this thing,
10 channels means that you can plug 10 things into the receiver
really
L183[11:37:31] <Fluburtur> but apparently
you can go to 14 if you use the digital data port
L184[11:37:35] <Eddi|zuHause> with motor
steering it's usually more important to get through within a
certain timeframe
L185[11:37:57] <Fluburtur> usual servo
frequency is 50hz but a bunch can go to 400hz
L186[11:38:10] <Fluburtur> mostly
helicopter ones tho, 50hz is plenty for a plane
L187[11:38:15] <Fluburtur> especially a
glider
L188[11:39:37] <Eddi|zuHause> i work in
industrial automation, and there using WLAN is considered
unreliable, because it can't guarantee timings
L189[11:39:48] <Eddi|zuHause> and timing
is everything
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L198[12:31:34] <Althego> there are two,
one is a 360 deg view of the control room
L200[12:44:14] <JVFoxy> poked face on
myspace channel... chat is just .. derp...
L201[12:44:31] <JVFoxy> chat on those to..
ugh, its just flying by.. no time to see whats being said.
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L204[13:00:37] <Althego> starting
L205[13:03:54] <Althego> hehe the
peanuts
L206[13:06:10] <Althego> i remember when i
watched one of the mers landing. on a dial up modem, tiny
stream
L207[13:06:39] <Althego> now i have 2
parallel high resolution streams
L208[13:10:42] <Althego> hehe they
implanted the normal stream in the 360
L209[13:20:23] <Kalpa> Burr and all that
jazz
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L212[13:37:01] <APlayer> InSight stream is
live for some time now
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L215[13:43:08] <mabus> oh i should have
read up more
L216[13:43:26] <Althego> there is alsop
one on nasa tv
L217[13:43:37] <Althego> currently lagging
a few seconds behind
L218[13:44:04] <APlayer> mabus: Yes
L220[13:44:32] <Althego> too bad you cant
move in the 360 view
L221[13:44:41] <JVFoxy> DSN now has a few
dishes facing that way right now
L222[13:44:46] <Althego> also they are
switching between the two control rooms randomlu
L223[13:44:58] <JVFoxy> Althego you can
move the 360.. just click, hold and drag
L224[13:45:08] <Althego> you can rotate,
but cant move
L225[13:45:10] <APlayer> Heh, someone's
using a felt tip pen in the video, you can hear the sound :D
L226[13:45:14] <Althego> not google
maps
L227[13:45:15] <mabus> when are they going
to enable the stream of the landing
L228[13:45:24] <mabus> switch out of
station view
L229[13:45:28] <APlayer> Also, there was
some weird sound earlier, I though it was of someone eating an
apple
L230[13:46:21] <JVFoxy> well... move
through the room be kind of hard. probably need several 360
L231[13:47:09] <UmbralRaptor> go
cubesats!
L232[13:47:25] <mrBlaQ> It's already on
the ground in one form or another. Time to wait and see how many
pieces.
L233[13:47:29] <mrBlaQ> HEY UR
L234[13:47:35] <Althego> no equivalent of
the mohawk guy :)
L235[13:47:36] <VanDisaster> what's the
signal delay today?
L236[13:47:41] <mrBlaQ> 8min
L237[13:47:46] <APlayer> Atmospheric
entry
L238[13:47:48] <Kalpa> About 1AU
L239[13:47:50] <Althego> so the 7 minutes
started?
L240[13:48:39] <UmbralRaptor> yep
L241[13:48:53] <UmbralRaptor> hi,
mrBlaQ
L242[13:48:53] <Althego> they could have
tried to look at the landing with curiosity, it is not too far
away
L243[13:49:05] <JVFoxy> ok now
blackout
L244[13:49:07] <mrBlaQ> they may be for
all we know?
L245[13:49:38] <UmbralRaptor> Althego: I'm
picturing something like Curiosity's very first images.
L246[13:49:58] <mabus> just switch to
craft view
L247[13:50:01] <mrBlaQ> 373 miles from
curiosity. so I bet curiosity could see the entry plasma
plume
L248[13:50:06] <JVFoxy> well somewhat
blackout... those micro sats providing relay
L249[13:50:24] <Althego> yes i think it
could
L251[13:50:29] <Althego> maybe even the
chute
L252[13:50:48] <Althego> they put the
other stream in the 360 stream
L253[13:50:56] <Althego> probably software
only, no greenscreen
L254[13:51:04] <mrBlaQ> then again the
mars atmosphere is so shallow it could be past the horizon?
L255[13:51:30] <mrBlaQ> from curiosity's
vantage
L256[13:51:41] <Althego> deployed
L257[13:51:55] <Kalpa> Radar screen turn
on
L258[13:51:57] <mrBlaQ> yayayay chute chut
chute chute
L259[13:52:16] <Althego> the chute is
scary
L260[13:52:16] <APlayer> MarCO director is
the star of the day because of live telemetry :D
L261[13:52:20] <Althego> the drop is even
scarier
L262[13:53:02] <mrBlaQ> ahaha meanwhile
each prior stage team gets a big sigh of relief
L263[13:53:09] <Althego> hehe
L264[13:53:18] <Althego> this is all the
edl
L265[13:53:51] <VanDisaster> that was a
hell of a braking burn, heh
L266[13:53:54] <APlayer> *Peak
tension*
L267[13:53:59] <APlayer> Wohooo!
L268[13:54:01] <Althego> come on
L269[13:54:04] <Kalpa> Well
L270[13:54:04] <Althego> what is it
doing
L271[13:54:07] <Althego> yes
L272[13:54:11] <mrBlaQ> AYaYaYaYAYAY
L273[13:54:15] <mrBlaQ> confirmed
touchdown!
L274[13:54:25] <mrBlaQ> EVERYBODY CRY
NOW
L275[13:54:38] <UmbralRaptor> ?
L276[13:54:47] <Kalpa> Yes yes very
nice
L277[13:54:58] <Kalpa> My alarm clock
wakes me up in 4 h 50min
L278[13:55:02] <Kalpa> This was the worst
idea
L279[13:55:20] <APlayer> Yo, we have
another thing on Mars now :D
L280[13:55:27] <Althego> so basically edl
and marco people are happy now
L281[13:55:33] <APlayer> ^
L282[13:55:33] <Althego> for the others
the hard work is just starting
L283[13:56:28] <Althego> i walways want to
rotate the normal stream and the click pauses it :9
L284[13:57:18] <APlayer> Haha, the
commenter is too excited to talk properly
L285[13:57:24] <Althego> rob manning
L286[13:57:29] <mrBlaQ> The apparent
success of the Marc0 relay probes means we might get pics on time
at 12:04 PST
L287[13:57:35] <Althego> he was there for
the mers and for curiosity too
L288[13:58:43] <Althego> too bad it didnt
make an edl movie like curiosity
L289[13:58:55] <Althego> from then on i
expect those, because of the sheer awesopmenees
L290[13:59:01] <mrBlaQ> first image!
L291[13:59:03] <Althego> what a
picture
L292[13:59:07] <mrBlaQ> dusty af
L293[13:59:16] <mrBlaQ> dat horizon
L294[13:59:18] <Althego> no assault
frigates :)
L295[13:59:30] <APlayer> mrBlaQ: Please
use more appropriate language, though :-)
L296[13:59:31] <mrBlaQ> IT'S BLUE. IT'S ON
EARTH. ANOTHER CONSPIRACY
L297[14:00:09] <mrBlaQ> Dusty as
Foucault?
L298[14:00:09] <Althego> ah that is the
sky
L299[14:00:19] <Althego> no rocks around
it seems
L300[14:00:23] <Althego> this is exactly
what they wanted
L301[14:00:36] <APlayer> "The dust
will be removed"
L302[14:00:38] <Althego> af: assault
frigate
L303[14:00:39] <APlayer> By whom?
L304[14:00:44] <Althego> there is a
transparent cap
L305[14:00:50] <Althego> that will fall
away from the cam
L306[14:00:51] <mrBlaQ> --^
L307[14:00:54] <APlayer> Aahh
L308[14:00:59] <Althego> they are waiting
for the dust to settle
L309[14:01:09] <Althego> for this, and for
the solar panels to open
L310[14:01:10] <mrBlaQ> heh the dust never
settles on mars
L311[14:02:01] <Althego> i dont like sand,
it is coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
L312[14:02:30] <Althego> now i doubt i
will be awake when we get back the info on the solar panel
deployment
L313[14:02:57] <mrBlaQ> that's 5.5 hours
later
L314[14:03:05] <Althego> yes that is the
problem
L315[14:03:24] <JVFoxy> yay its
landed
L316[14:03:32] <JVFoxy> look on the one
person's face, thought it didn't make it for a moment
L317[14:05:13] <Kalpa> That time was in
UTC for sure
L318[14:05:24] <Kalpa> I am glad.
L319[14:05:54] <APlayer> "Houston,
that big rusty rock has hit our spacecraft"
L320[14:07:15] <Althego> the best would be
like eve camera drones, some cubesats falling along with the probe
and record how it is doing :)
L321[14:08:43] <APlayer> Discussing manned
Soyuz launches again
L322[14:09:17] <APlayer> "Last time
it launched a human it was not successful - That ways scary! - Yes,
it was, but we figured out the problem"
L323[14:11:25] <APlayer> (Talking about
the moon) "You can go home safely - you know, we saw that with
Apollo 13"
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L325[14:13:58] <JVFoxy> well scary but at
least the crew came back down safe.
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L331[14:30:23] <Althego> meanwhile nvidia
update
L332[14:31:19] <JVFoxy> also mean while,
mun station waiting for docking first... though I also wanna start
flying stuff out to build North pole base
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L357[15:50:07] <hoglahoo> ksp has
changed!
L358[16:13:50] <Mat2ch> .oO( you either
leave the channel or stay long enough to see it getting used for
different topics )
L359[16:14:31] <Fluburtur> when do we even
talk about ksp
L360[16:16:30] <Mat2ch> idk
L361[16:18:18] <APlayer> Silence,
subjects! We talk about KSP NOW!
L362[16:18:50] <APlayer> Well, /you/ talk
about KSP, because I am leaving for bed. G'night everyone. :P
L364[16:22:43] <kmath> YouTube - They
Shall Not Grow Old - British troops thoughts on german
soldiers.
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L371[16:57:51] <Guest14843> Alguem br
ae
L372[16:58:18] <Guest14843> ALGUEM BR
AEEEEEE
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L374[16:59:01] <Eddi|zuHause> I THINK WE
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L376[17:13:31] <UmbralRaptor> uh
L377[17:16:37] <Draconiator> I looked and
he asked if anyone spoke brazillian here o_O
L378[17:26:05] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's
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L443[23:46:38] <mischief> hi
L444[23:46:40] <Mod9000> Hello,
mischief
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L446[23:47:00] <mischief> is it possible
to attach anything to convertotrons?
L447[23:47:05] <mischief> on the sides,
that is
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L450[23:55:57] <Althego> hah nice image
from the arm
L451[23:56:12] <Althego> lot better than
the context camera
L453[23:56:54] <Althego> bit tilted
L454[23:57:03] <Althego> but it seems it
landed right in the middle of a sandbox
L455[23:57:15] <Althego> everywhere else
is rocky
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