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L7[00:51:01] <JVFoxy> huh...
L8[00:51:14] <JVFoxy> over here, they'd want
you to put pets in approved crates.
L9[00:52:56] <JVFoxy> I took my fennec on
the train once, still had someone freak out. I got out at the
station, staff looked at me. I went up to them to talk. They said,
someone was reporting wild animal on the train. Noticed the crate,
'he's in an approved carrier, don't see any problems'
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L17[02:08:14] <Althego> so many flat earth
videos :)
L19[02:20:53] <JVFoxy> Rolf ok.. knew about
teachers in space.. not the bird also being part of things.
L20[02:21:04] <Rolf> yeah
L21[02:21:19] <JVFoxy> I still have space
shuttle story which ends at the 86 explosion
L22[02:21:25] <JVFoxy> *book
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L25[02:28:32] <Eddi|zuHause> i got proof
that global warming is a hoak. it'S the temperature outside is
below 0!
L26[02:28:39] <Rolf> lol jv
L27[02:28:53] <Eddi|zuHause> hoax
L28[02:29:19] <Rolf> yeah I got proof earth
is flat also. my driveway right there is very flat. no curve at
all
L29[02:29:43] <Eddi|zuHause> i got the
antiproof of that :p
L30[02:32:56] <Rolf> your basketball ball?
;)
L31[02:34:06] <Althego> yes that gorilla
was funnny
L32[02:34:30] <Rolf> yeah
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L36[03:11:09] <JVFoxy> Althego doctors...
but also now hotels are considering doing twitter feeds for people
so they can spend more time enjoying vacations..
L37[03:11:17] <JVFoxy> was a blurp on the
news yesterday
L39[03:14:52] <Althego> i thought there
would be more pain because of the joke
L40[03:17:28] <Mat2ch> Althego: there's
much pain
L41[03:17:35] <Mat2ch> we just don't know
how to express it
L42[03:18:00] <Rolf> I just dont get it
lol
L43[03:18:07] <Rolf> maybe good thing. no
pain
L44[03:18:19] <Althego> heh this is painful
for me. an electrical engineer not understanding conservative
central force field (in this case gravity)
L45[03:18:42] <Althego> how did this guy
finish his education?
L46[03:19:07] <Rolf> did I miss a
link?
L47[03:19:18] <Rolf> only one I see is
mastodon one besudes youtube links
L48[03:19:23] <Althego> Rolf: nobody
expects the spanish inquisition
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L50[03:19:40] <Althego> sounds similar to
spanish inn physician
L51[03:20:12] <JVFoxy> saw this video show
up in my suggestions. I meant to view it..
L52[03:20:32] <Althego> yes i also saw this
solar tracker video suggestion
L53[03:20:41] <Althego> but i knew what it
is, so didnt watch it
L54[03:20:49] <Althego> nice feedback
control though
L55[03:21:15] <JVFoxy> I have a 6' fixed
dish stand.. I'd like to convert to sun tracking... ya no easy
task
L56[03:21:22] <Rolf> he had a video that he
misunderstood what conservtive cetral force?
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L59[03:21:35] <Rolf> got link:? bec im
curious
L60[03:21:36] <Althego> no, i am watching a
flat earther electrical engineer
L61[03:21:42] <Rolf> ahh good
L62[03:21:58] <Rolf> while one I linked to
isnt best on video quality hes been ok so far
L63[03:22:03] <Rolf> well
L64[03:22:13] <Althego> yes he has to be
cause made a nice sun tracker
L65[03:22:14] <Rolf> in least one youre
watching isnt talking about time cube
L66[03:22:22] <Althego> nobody does
L67[03:22:36] <Althego> only 1 guy, if that
one is still alive
L68[03:22:41] <Rolf> yeah it was too weird
to become weird beliver thibng
L69[03:23:20] <Rolf> theres also guy whos
making entire religion based OS
L70[03:23:22] <JVFoxy> flat earther makes
sun tracker.. or did I miss something?
L71[03:23:33] <Althego> no that guy died a
few months ago
L72[03:23:39] <Rolf> it is its own
standard. not linux not windows nothing as he wrote
everything
L73[03:23:57] <Rolf> the os one or time
cube?
L75[03:24:50] <Rolf> interesting
L76[03:25:01] <Rolf> I wonder if anyone
would be interested in source code
L77[03:25:08] <Rolf> its so strange yet
working
L78[03:25:19] <Althego> JVFoxy: no, these
are unrelated. i watch a flat earther electrical engineer arguing
with some people, there was a video of a guy who built a sun
tracker, and the tempe os creator died, while the fate of the
timecube guy is uncertain
L79[03:27:03] <JVFoxy> ah fun
L80[03:27:26] <JVFoxy> space cubes and
pyramids was a thing in the past...
L81[03:27:46] <Althego> oh the time cube
guy also died according to wiki
L82[03:28:14] <Rolf> cereic comic had
really funny one about pyramid power and batteries
L83[03:28:17] <JVFoxy> causes?
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L85[03:28:33] <JVFoxy> the guys that
died... old age or..?
L86[03:28:37] <Rolf> 87 years old
L87[03:28:51] <Rolf> fairly good chance
yes. templeos one tghough he died middle age so dunno
L88[03:31:53] <JVFoxy> I'll just say
stress
L89[03:33:06] <Rolf> probably yeah
L90[03:34:14] <Althego> a train hit
him
L91[03:34:30] <Rolf> man that sucks
L92[03:34:39] <Althego> was not on his
medication for schizophrenia
L93[03:35:55] <JVFoxy> oh.. kay... though I
guess not surprising
L94[03:37:24] <Althego> topic got really
dark
L95[03:37:56] <Althego> maybe change it to
black holes, dark matter, dark energy, black body radiation, or
something similar
L96[03:39:44] <JVFoxy> black hole suns...
;)
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L98[03:40:04] <Althego> would be deadly,
because of all the x-rays from the accretion disc
L99[03:40:29] <Althego> unless on a tidally
locked planet
L100[03:41:04] <Althego> hehe some
commenter asked an electrical engineering question to check if the
fe guy is really one
L101[03:41:08] <Althego> didnt answer it
:)
L102[03:41:20] <Rolf> issac said eyeball
planets would be more common because its easy to be too far or too
close but tide locked so theres band of livable space
L103[03:41:39] <Althego> probably they are
common
L104[03:41:55] <Rolf> there is ponental
livable temperate area in mecury
L105[03:41:57] <Althego> at least heard
about a bunch of them in kepler data
L106[03:42:04] <Althego> because most
stars are red dwars, so planets are close
L107[03:42:12] <Rolf> since back side is
quite old and hot end very hot we has basically infinite energy
there.
L108[03:42:22] <Rolf> and thats before we
consuder solar power.
L109[03:42:29] <JVFoxy> mmm.. depending on
things, you'd have the sun static in the sky all the time. Be hard
to tell how the day was going.. if you'd call it a 'day'.
L110[03:42:36] <Althego> isnt mercury in a
2:3 resonance?
L111[03:42:43] <Althego> hehe vector field
question
L112[03:43:00] <Rolf> hmm thought it was
simply rocking a little
L113[03:43:16] <JVFoxy> ya.. merc takes
longer to spin on axis than it does to orbit.
L114[03:43:31] <Rolf> around 57 days for
its day
L115[03:43:43] <JVFoxy> venus is just
backwards
L116[03:44:05] <Rolf> THE hottest planet
in solar system yet second in closeness to sun
L117[03:44:28] <Althego> atmosphere
matters
L118[03:44:35] <Rolf> indeed
L119[03:44:36] <Althego> even earth would
be quite cold without one
L120[03:44:38] <JVFoxy> hot is such a
relative term
L121[03:44:51] <Althego> especially when
not about spherical bodies :)
L122[03:44:57] <Althego> but who knows
s9
L123[03:45:03] <Rolf> so mecury does
rotate, that doesnt rteally matter much as we should find it very
usable anyway.
L124[03:45:22] <Rolf> its like iron core
with little crust. lots easy mine iron
L125[03:45:24] <Althego> i think there was
some scifi book with crawling cities on mercury
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L127[03:49:14] <JVFoxy> my Jovian
Chronicles talks about people on Merc... massive solar farms,
people going underground when sun comes up..
L128[03:49:56] <JVFoxy> Also talked about
people on Venus but terraforming had been going on for a bit. Not
stupid harsh as we know it now.
L129[03:50:01] <Althego> didnt find
anything on progress docking
L130[03:50:06] <Althego> isnt it supposed
to be today?
L131[03:51:11] <JVFoxy> thought a day or
so..
L132[03:51:23] <Althego> next day is the
cygnus
L133[04:25:58] <JVFoxy> possible to do
alternate cabin interiors for the Mk1?
L134[04:26:05] <JVFoxy> *crew cab
thatis
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L136[04:26:53] <Althego> not in the base
game
L137[04:27:03] <Althego> probably there
are mods with different interiurs
L138[04:27:09] <Althego> but i wouldnt
know that
L139[04:27:17] <Althego> als oit was just
upgraded
L140[04:28:24] <JVFoxy> couple of ideas
have come to mind from some time ago... seats facing same way.. or
more like a proper 'cabin'... its just a thought.
L141[04:28:56] <Althego> ah you mean the
airplane cabin?
L142[04:29:14] <Althego> yes the seat
backwards always annoyed me
L143[04:29:15] <JVFoxy> I did an
experiment with rearranging the jet cockpit, but after one of the
updates, its interior wouldn't work any more
L144[04:29:19] <Althego> i guess it wants
to be a business jet
L145[04:30:55] <JVFoxy> its ok.. just,
seems weird launching crew facing down/backwards in rocket with it
:)
L146[04:31:18] <JVFoxy> though sometimes I
wonder if kerbals defy extra gravity when it comes to be apart of
the ship
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L149[04:32:19] <Althego> hehe
L150[04:32:27] <Althego> emergency
phone?
L151[04:32:34] <Althego> for 800
yen?
L152[04:33:00] <GlassYuri> tokyo metro
in-car emergency interphone
L153[04:34:55] <GlassYuri> the switch is
simple enough (there is a hidden reset button to the left behind
the cover), but can anyone point me in the right direction as for
how the heck I might get the microphone working
L154[04:35:56] <GlassYuri> there's four
wires coming out of the thing, the right two change from
disconnecterd to 2.4 ohms when I activate the switch, the rest
seems to do nothing
L155[04:37:39] <GlassYuri> any combination
of right and left wire seems to do nothing
L156[04:39:33] <Althego> hehe
L157[04:39:47] <Althego> isnt one pair for
a speaker?
L158[04:39:55] <GlassYuri> just noticed
that the front hinges providing easier access to the reset and
allowing to change the "break glass" thing which actually
seems to be acrylic
L159[04:40:02] <Althego> buecause i guess
when the button is not pressed, then you can hear the other
side
L160[04:40:24] <GlassYuri> the button is
not meant to be reset by the caller
L161[04:40:31] <Althego> ah
L162[04:41:11] <GlassYuri> there seems to
be no lock or alarm preventing you from opening the cover lol
L163[04:41:24] <Althego> probably around
zero people know about this here
L164[04:41:37] <GlassYuri> this likely
means you can open them up on revenue trains...
L165[04:41:37] <Althego> maybe some train
fans somewhere
L166[04:43:09] <GlassYuri> Althego, could
the same part serve as a speaker and microphone? there seems to be
only one audio thingy in there
L167[04:43:42] <Althego> technically. for
fun you can use some mics as speaker, but there will be low
volume
L168[04:44:07] <GlassYuri> in a train full
of screaming people I don't really want it to be low volume
L169[04:44:23] <Althego> but somehow you
have to be able to hear the guy on the other end
L170[04:44:34] <GlassYuri> yeah that's why
I'm confused
L171[04:45:21] <GlassYuri> it kind of
seems like the switch has it's entirely separate two wires, with no
shenanigans as to one wire serving multiple functions
L172[04:45:36] <GlassYuri> that leaves
only two other wires coming out of the unit
L173[04:46:26] <GlassYuri> I've gotta
clean the back plate of this unit before opening it up, just it's
sheer existence in a resting state is enough to spread dirt through
my entire room
L174[04:46:36] <Althego> hehe
L175[04:46:52] <GlassYuri> fingers, the
worst disease vector since genitals were banned in public
L176[04:47:09] <GlassYuri> (yeah I know
airborne is worst but)
L177[04:47:50] <Deddly> Speakers make
great microphones. The other way around, not so much
L178[04:48:04] <Althego> i never tried
that way though
L179[04:48:48] <Deddly> But I don't think
it can be
simultaneously a speaker and a microphone
L180[04:48:53] <Althego> yes
L181[04:49:08] <Althego> because you
either drive ot or measure it
L182[04:49:22] <Deddly> Exactly. Otherwise
the feedback would be perfect
L183[04:50:11] <Althego> that is why i
thought the button is a usual transmit in a half duplex
L184[04:50:41] <Deddly> What's "half
duplex"?
L185[04:50:51] <Althego> both directions,
but not at the same time
L186[04:50:57] <Deddly> Ah
L187[04:51:31] <Deddly> That wouldn't be
optimal in an emergency situation when regular people aren't used
to PTT
L188[04:51:58] <Althego> but then there
should be something separate, a mic and a speaker
L189[04:52:19] <Deddly> This is from a
train carriage? Isn't it likely that there is a microphone
elsewhere in the carriage, maybe connected to a camera? This unit
could be one-way only
L190[04:52:19] <GlassYuri> holy crap I
might now have dirt older than the subway sarin attack in my
kitchen
L191[04:52:34] <Althego> heehe
L192[04:52:44] <Althego> go outside and do
it there
L193[04:54:39] <Althego> heh that was in
95. so long ago
L194[04:57:10] <GlassYuri> I guess sarin
couldn't actually survive that long in the open?
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L196[04:58:45] <Althego> supposedly water
degrades it based on wiki
L197[04:59:26] <GlassYuri> I mean they
would have decontaminated it before putting the train back in
service
L198[04:59:47] <Althego> even if they
didnt, it would have decomposed by now
L200[05:00:37] <GlassYuri> I assume that
the unit is from a 03 series, which would give it some likelyhood
of having been directly or indirectly affected
L201[05:00:59] <GlassYuri> the other
possibility is a 02 series, which could also have been
affected
L202[05:01:09] <Althego> so they are
green?
L204[05:01:45] <Althego> hehe
L205[05:01:50] <Althego> didnt knwo you
had an office
L206[05:04:12] <Rolf> dunno I don't really
like glass floors
L207[05:04:20] <GlassYuri> except that as
far as I know only one 02 series has been decommisioned, and I have
one of it's wheel stoppers here, and the car number it belonged to
doesn't match the trains involved in the sarin terror
L208[05:04:41] <GlassYuri> Rolf, it's an
air floor
L209[05:05:02] <Rolf> thats far less
supportive surface
L210[05:05:06] <GlassYuri> doesn't scratch
or shatter as easy
L211[05:05:15] <GlassYuri> might shatter
your bones tho
L212[05:05:20] <Rolf> goo sunlight though.
good for tanning and vitaium D
L213[05:05:39] <Rolf> nah I decline to
accept that office lol
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L215[05:08:31] <Althego> not even with a
company provided parachute?
L216[05:08:44] <GlassYuri> anyway, what I
actually wanted to ask, other than making sure that I did not
expose myself to sarin inadvertedly, was about wiring the
microphone/speaker thing
L217[05:08:45] <Rolf> too short term
L218[05:09:06] <Althego> hehe
L219[05:09:48] <GlassYuri> I wonder how
that sounds to pacbard who joined too late to have any guess at the
context lol
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L221[05:13:01] <Rolf> yep
L222[05:13:39] <GlassYuri> I've removed
the only screw on the back and all I got were screw terminals for
the wires
L223[05:13:40] <Althego> hehe
L224[05:14:15] <GlassYuri> they're labeled
291, 292, 293 and 290G, which I guess is meaningless without the
manufacturer's manual
L225[05:14:33] <GlassYuri> plus, more of
the goddamn soot
L226[05:14:37] <Althego> hehe
L227[05:14:43] <GlassYuri> apparently they
don't clean the insides of the train walls
L228[05:14:44] <Althego> just where did
that come from
L229[05:14:47] <Althego> no smoking
L230[05:14:51] <Althego> no hands touched
it
L232[05:15:21] <GlassYuri> Althego, seeps
into the cracks
L233[05:15:29] <GlassYuri> gets dragged
inside the wall by the doors
L234[05:15:37] <Althego> ah
L235[05:15:41] <Althego> from the
back
L236[05:15:56] <Althego> if it is close to
the doors that makes sense
L237[05:16:07] <Althego> lot of dust and
oul create that black dirt
L238[05:16:10] <Althego> oil
L239[05:16:12] <GlassYuri> might also come
in through the window frames
L240[05:16:31] <GlassYuri> doesn't have to
be near the door if it has literally decades to spread
L241[05:17:02] <Althego> but usually they
are because there are seats elsewhere
L243[05:18:08] <Althego> hehe loks
strange
L245[05:18:58] <GlassYuri> for the five
door car, the door retracts in between the inner and outer window
pane
L246[05:19:03] <Rolf> heh I once had a car
where it had 5 seats but only 2 person can sit in it
L247[05:19:07] <Deddly> Oh yeah, Japan.
Standing room only in those commuter trains, right?
L248[05:19:19] <GlassYuri> Deddly, except
for all the seats in those pictures
L249[05:19:53] <GlassYuri> oh btw on that
three door car, the polstered thing next to the seat closest to the
door
L250[05:20:03] <GlassYuri> they had those
for sale too, but I didn't grab one
L251[05:20:04] <Deddly> "all those
seats" <-- yeah, a couple around the edges. But there's a
lot of empty space
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L253[05:20:23] <Althego> even the old
russian metro cars have more seats
L254[05:20:43] <Althego> we still have the
same running here as the one in the fox video
L255[05:21:06] <GlassYuri> there aren't
that many seats but during rush hour they only get in the way
L256[05:21:16] <GlassYuri> off peak they
tend to be somewhat enough
L257[05:21:35] <GlassYuri> plus if you're
uncivilized like me you can sit on the floor
L259[05:22:05] <Althego> hehe
L260[05:22:11] <Althego> dont camp in a
train car
L261[05:22:33] <GlassYuri> Deddly, not
with myself being pushed in, no
L262[05:22:46] <Deddly> I was just
thinking how terrible it would be in there if there were a lot of
seats
L263[05:23:05] <Althego> ehehe
L264[05:23:10] <Althego> this pushing is
funny
L265[05:23:29] <Althego> just wait for the
next one lol
L266[05:23:36] <GlassYuri> also those last
people trying to get in when the train is already beyond full
deserve to be dragged out honestly
L267[05:24:20] <GlassYuri> their dumb
egoism causes delays which then reduces short time line capacity by
several hundred passengers
L268[05:24:35] <Deddly> The next train
will also be full though, no?
L269[05:24:54] <GlassYuri> yeah but they
will be the first in line
L270[05:25:01] <Deddly> I mean, everyone
has an appointment to meet
L271[05:25:20] <Deddly> Is there a line?
In Sweden it's a free-for-all
L273[05:25:43] <GlassYuri> Deddly, door
positions marked on platform, lines form naturally
L274[05:26:34] <GlassYuri> at shinjuku
where I often transfer there are four lines marked, however I never
saw that working in practice
L275[05:26:57] <Deddly> I see. But people
are employed to squish people in the train, so it seems like it's
supposed to be OK to cram yourself in a train that's already
full
L276[05:27:06] <GlassYuri> feels
delightfully evil when there's people lined up to the other side of
the platform and you just open up a new line next to them
L277[05:27:40] <GlassYuri> you can get
yourself in, turn around, both feet in the train car, lean
back
L278[05:27:58] <GlassYuri> not too
uncomfortable if there is still space
L279[05:28:44] <GlassYuri> if there is no
space and the meat pressure raises too high it gets very
uncomfortable for the people already on the train, otherwise I
don't mind it on short distances
L280[05:29:06] <Althego> hehe meat
pressure
L281[05:29:18] <Althego> increases meat
tension
L282[05:30:10] <GlassYuri> what I really
hate however is that sometimes nobody bothers to hold on because
they can't fall over anymore
L283[05:30:56] <GlassYuri> eating the
intertia of twenty fat businesszombies doesn't feel all that
great
L284[05:31:07] <Althego> hehe
L285[05:31:12] <Rolf> wear a coat with
spike studs
L286[05:32:08] <Althego> or with something
people really hate
L287[05:34:19] <GlassYuri> since I'll
likely go there in january, I wonder how people in tokyo would
react to an "I love nanjing" t-shirt
L288[05:51:55] <Fluburtur> huh, my trumpet
works better when warm
L289[05:52:12] <Althego> must be thermal
expansion :)
L290[05:52:24] <Fluburtur> also when im at
the lower fundamental frequency and push the pistons which add
tubing lenght it goes up in pitch and not down
L291[05:52:30] <Fluburtur> it is a bit
hard to get it lower
L292[05:53:12] <Althego> ma7ybe try
cooling it in a fridge
L293[05:53:40] <Fluburtur> why
L294[05:53:53] <Fluburtur> it is better
when warm anyways, probably gets less condensation inside
L295[05:53:56] <Althego> for a counter
experiment
L296[05:54:03] <Fluburtur> because
otherwise I have to empty the water inside quite often
L297[05:54:29] <Fluburtur> so I just
breathe in it for a while to heat it up
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L299[05:56:53] <Fluburtur> I can kinda
play the first 5 notes of the russian anthem
L300[05:57:04] <Althego> hehe
L301[05:57:04] <Fluburtur> because that's
the first thing I decided to learn playing for some reason
L302[05:57:09] <Althego> which is the
soviet anthe
L303[05:57:10] <Althego> m
L304[05:57:21] <Fluburtur> yeah
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L306[06:02:24] <Althego> maybe add the
french anthem to your repertoire too, for a countermeasure :)
L307[06:02:46] <Fluburtur> yeah
maybe
L308[06:03:15] <Fluburtur> but you know im
not really the partiotic type
L309[06:03:25] <Fluburtur> I would gladly
burn down the president's house
L310[06:03:42] <Althego> hehe
L311[06:03:53] <Fluburtur> with him in
it
L312[06:03:55] <Althego> this channel in
no way supports property damage
L313[06:03:59] <Fluburtur> heh
L314[06:04:01] <Althego> unless it is done
by rocket explosions :9
L315[06:04:14] <Fluburtur> I like the
country but not all the political crap
L316[06:04:30] <Rolf> stink bomb the
grass. no properity amage but sure smells for quite a while
L317[06:04:37] <Althego> hehe
L318[06:04:54] <Fluburtur> peoples can't
even get near there during manifestations
L319[06:05:05] <Fluburtur> half the police
is just there to protect the president
L320[06:05:12] <Fluburtur> because he
knows no one likes him
L321[06:05:26] <Fluburtur> and flying a rc
plane in the middle of paris might prove difficult
L322[06:05:50] <Althego> not to mention
police would catch you because of suspected terrorism
L323[06:06:04] <Fluburtur> im pretty sure
im already on some watch list
L324[06:06:17] <Fluburtur> for searching
recipes for rocket candy and nitrocellulose
L325[06:06:31] <Althego> hehe
L326[06:06:40] <Althego> but those are
legal
L327[06:06:47] <Fluburtur> yeah that's the
point
L328[06:07:00] <Fluburtur> competely legal
but I can missile peoples with that
L329[06:07:16] <Althego> and you can stab
people with knives
L330[06:07:27] <Althego> break their necks
with bare hands
L331[06:07:32] <Rolf> french meh less
problems than where I am at
L332[06:07:44] <Althego> there are levels
of threats it is pointless to try to protect against
L333[06:08:08] <Fluburtur> yeah
L334[06:08:23] <Fluburtur> and im not
gonna do anything stupid unless im extremely annoyed
L335[06:08:29] <Fluburtur> which might
happen
L336[06:08:37] <Althego> otherwise we get
to the point as the perfect computer security: the network is
safest without users
L337[06:12:29] <Rolf> no user server can
be ibm xt ith 1 mb ram
L338[06:12:40] <Rolf> or simply shell of a
computer tower
L339[06:13:51] <Althego> make it a
raspberry pi, at least it does soemthing for the proce fo the
computer housing
L340[06:14:26] <Rolf> honestly standing up
is too much cost for setting up a zero user server
L341[06:14:50] <Rolf> or if impressing is
important, get old server with lots blinking lights
L342[06:15:01] <Rolf> gut it and use rspi
to power lights
L344[06:16:05] <Rolf> there is a ikea scp
lol
L346[06:17:28] <Althego> this must be an
onion style fake news site
L347[06:17:46] <Rolf> yeah I doubt
everyone would get stuck opn loop
L348[06:18:24] <Rolf> if I saw that I
looped couple times I would check stuff see where loop start and
figure where exit is lol
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L352[06:33:02] <Althego> looks
rushed
L353[06:37:39] <Fluburtur> I just taped
the camera and transmitter on the plane
L354[06:38:00] <Althego> exactly because
of that
L355[06:38:10] <Althego> and the glue at
the prop
L356[06:38:13] <Fluburtur> I didn't even
plan on using this plane for fpv
L357[06:38:31] <Fluburtur> nah the prop
isnt me, it was given to me by someone
L358[06:38:57] <Fluburtur> and I will
remove the fpv system after im done flying it once, it is just for
testing it
L360[06:47:54] <Althego> as i said seemed
to be an intentinal fake
L361[06:47:57] <Althego> still funny
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L363[06:48:17] <GlassYuri> Althego, I'm
inside the unit now, and the goddamn dirt is everywhere, but seems
like it does have mic and speaker wires, with the button wired into
a common ground or so
L364[06:48:25] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i
don't read the context sometimes
L365[06:50:18] <GlassYuri> ...is there a
tool that reverse engineers a circuit board using image
recognition
L366[06:50:28] <Althego> hehe probably not
yet
L367[06:50:54] <Althego> sorry, you have
to type the codes from the ics yourself :9
L368[06:54:54] <GlassYuri> at least it's
too old to have microcontrollers
L369[06:55:19] <Althego> would be overkill
fora button and some analog lines
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L371[07:01:05] <GlassYuri> hmm, 291 goes
through the switch and merges with 292 after that, so these two
really give me just the switch with nothing else
L372[07:04:06] <GlassYuri> 290G and 293 go
directly into the circuit board, where their traces are covered up
by some large diodes, but they might be connected with these same
diodes
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L374[07:18:34] <Eddi|zuHause> tried a
resistor check device which tests whether two things are
connected?
L375[07:20:02] <Althego> multimeter is a
more typical choice
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L377[07:24:38] <GlassYuri> Eddi|zuHause, I
did measure resistance
L378[07:24:49] <Althego> resistance is
futile :)
L379[07:25:52] <Althego> you could try to
drive it with some audio signal to see which one makes noise
:)
L380[07:26:35] <GlassYuri> it seems like
292 also provides power to the circuit board, and I guess the
voltage difference between that and 293/290G carries the microphone
and speaker signal respectively?
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L382[07:28:10] <GlassYuri> what I just
thought of but would need an entire car body for to find out, if
multiple buttons are pressed, do they just all talk on the same
line? and since the internal circuitry seems to work regardless of
the switch being pressed and even unaware of it, does pressing one
button activate all units?
L383[07:30:52] <Eddi|zuHause>
<Althego> maybe add the french anthem to your repertoire too,
for a countermeasure :) <-- i imagine that's not the easiest
piece to start out with
L384[07:31:14] <Althego> yes but may work
against the angry masses
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L386[07:31:50] <Eddi|zuHause> the kind of
masses that stand in the middle of the road to protest against fuel
prices?
L387[07:31:51] <GlassYuri> lol just
noticed a funny detail
L388[07:32:05] <GlassYuri> on one of the
mounting holes, a washer is stuck to the hole
L389[07:32:11] <Althego> no, the masses
that would try to beat him because of russian/soviet anthem
:)
L390[07:33:08] <Eddi|zuHause> idk, could
swing both ways
L391[07:33:15] <Gasher> idk what you were
talking about but modern russian masses are quite passive in this
case of fuel price rise compared to france or bulgaria
L392[07:33:33] <GlassYuri> Eddi|zuHause, I
saw on the train news that one person was killed in the
protests?
L393[07:33:59] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i read
that as well, but didn't check the article to see what it was
about
L394[07:34:49] <Eddi|zuHause> Gasher: i
was talking about french masses
L395[07:35:18] <Gasher> i saw in the news
that there were protests there because of fuel price rise
L396[07:35:47] <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i
think the german anthem is a pretty safe thing in france, because
nobody there even knows how that goes :p
L397[07:35:49] <GlassYuri> also remind me
to fix the overextrusion on my printer before I try to print more
tools
L399[07:37:34] <GlassYuri> also, is it
just me or is PLA annoyingly hard to file and sand
L400[07:40:15] <Althego> set it on fire
instead :)
L401[07:40:52] <GlassYuri> well heat does
smooth out plastic to an extent
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L403[07:41:30] <GlassYuri> I should have
printed a spanner instead of a wrench, one side less to file
L404[07:42:01] <GlassYuri> or an
adjustable one so that it doesn't matter if it's too tight
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L407[07:48:49] <GlassYuri> I also bought a
brake step indicator but I'm not sure if I will ever get it
working
L408[07:49:14] <Althego> why do you need
these?
L409[07:49:21] <Althego> random parts of
trains
L410[07:49:44] <GlassYuri> tokyo metro
employee "it works off 1500v so I cannot recommend using it at
home"
L411[07:49:52] <Althego> hehe
L412[07:50:09] <Althego> unless you are
called photonic induction
L413[07:51:24] <GlassYuri> Althego, the
emergency interphone has a red button and people who have never
wanted to wire up a red button as a game controller can honestly
leave this channel
L414[07:51:32] <Eddi|zuHause> 1500V DC i
assume?
L415[07:51:49] <Althego> i never wanted to
have a game controller
L416[07:52:13] <GlassYuri> I wonder if I
can play KSP using only train and bus parts
L417[07:52:30] <GlassYuri> finding an
analog throttle can be annoying and expensive, but otherwise
L418[07:52:33] <Althego> probably
L419[07:52:58] <GlassYuri> these stop
request buttons buses have are like 300 yen
L420[07:53:06] <Eddi|zuHause> i could play
KSP on a train, if that is close enough :p
L421[07:53:14] <Althego> really
cjeap
L422[07:53:18] <GlassYuri> Eddi|zuHause,
yeah dc
L423[07:53:40] <Eddi|zuHause> what's
300yen? 3€?
L424[07:53:43] <GlassYuri> less
L425[07:54:25] <Eddi|zuHause> google says
2,33€
L426[07:54:26] <GlassYuri> also I finally
learned how to wire up my "this door doesn't open"
indicator
L427[07:54:32] <GlassYuri> just plug it
into the mains
L428[07:54:37] <Eddi|zuHause> so 3€ is
close enough
L429[07:55:01] <GlassYuri> Eddi|zuHause,
if you buy enough of them for all KSP controls it makes a
difference
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L431[08:08:57] <Eddi|zuHause> gnah, i hate
that i had to downgrade my graphics card, now i can't play some
games that i used to be able to play :/
L432[08:09:12] <lordcirth> Eddi|zuHause,
the newer one broke?
L433[08:09:49] <Althego> lower
setttings?
L434[08:09:50] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure
what actually broke, but i got system freezes and they became more
and more common
L435[08:11:49] <Eddi|zuHause> the main
problem is that the other card is a previous generation, and that
is not supported by the driver that implements vulkan support
L436[08:11:59] <Eddi|zuHause> so i can't
get dx11 games to run via dxvk
L437[08:19:40] <Althego> hehe found a
hilarious link but cant put it here
L438[08:26:43] <darsie> URL >256
chars?
L439[08:27:05] <darsie> or NSFW?
L440[08:27:06] <Althego> no, content
L441[08:27:10] <darsie> ic
L442[08:27:38] <Althego> it would be safe
normally but the rules prevent it
L443[08:27:49] <GlassYuri> put it in
modders
L444[08:42:43] <GlassYuri> ...I wonder how
easily I can hook up the emergency interphone to taskkill
unityengine when activated
L445[08:49:07] <Rolf> NSFK
L446[08:49:20] <Althego> not safe for
kerbals?
L447[08:49:29] <Rolf> ksp but that works
also. lol
L448[08:58:17] <Fluburtur> well I just
flew over my town with a rc plane
L449[08:58:21] <Fluburtur> thats illegal
for sure
L450[08:58:31] <Fluburtur> good thing
absolutely no one cares
L451[08:58:49] <Althego> i doubt any
country has enough police force to bother about things like
this
L452[08:59:38] <Rolf> yeah unless
something happens, like acciently blocking rescue helicopers with
quadcopers
L453[08:59:47] <Rolf> then they will go
after your backend
L454[09:00:16] <Althego> i can imagine
that in some states in usa people maybe can shoot down drones
L455[09:00:25] <Fluburtur> well it is only
a rc plane
L456[09:00:27] <Rolf> there was one case
of that
L457[09:01:09] <GlassYuri> Althego, more
like hit someone else while blasting ammo into the sky as if the
luftwaffe were coming for them
L458[09:01:10] <Rolf> unlawful weapon
discharge
L459[09:01:18] <Rolf> bullet dont just
stop at quadcoper after all
L460[09:01:38] <Althego> no choice then,
we have to tran the eagles :)
L461[09:01:41] <Althego> train
L462[09:01:47] <Rolf> tran the eagles
lol
L463[09:01:57] <Fluburtur> some peoples do
that
L464[09:01:59] <Althego> that is why i had
to correct it
L465[09:02:00] <Fluburtur> idk what
for
L466[09:02:22] <Althego> some years ago
there was an article about some police training eagles to catch
drones
L467[09:02:35] <Rolf> firemen had to
"shoot" one down with water since drone was endagering
firemen with distraction
L468[09:02:49] <Fluburtur>
"distraction"
L469[09:03:01] <Fluburtur> do they know
how to do their job or are they little babies
L470[09:03:29] <Rolf> I think it was
flying too close to firemen doing jobs
L471[09:03:37] <Rolf> going for closeup or
something
L472[09:03:49] <Althego> there was some
video where a bear and cub was struggling to get uphill. it turned
out they were frightened by the drone making the video
L473[09:03:55] <Fluburtur> uh yeah that
wont work, they have wide angle lenses
L474[09:04:08] <Rolf> yeah they reacted
like it was alien
L475[09:04:51] <Fluburtur> also no one can
tell me stuff about my drones because drones dont exist
L476[09:04:57] <Althego> hehe
L477[09:05:00] <Fluburtur> it is just a
buzzword
L478[09:05:02] <Althego> borg drones
L479[09:06:11] <Althego> modern speech is
just a bunch of buzzwords :)
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L481[09:31:55] <Guest99630> Haiyo!
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L483[09:32:13] <Althego> heh
L484[09:32:15] <Althego> 11 seconds
L485[09:32:36] <Althego> waited for an
answer for that long
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L494[10:14:09] <Althego> scott
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L498[11:10:47] <Althego> eh spacex moved
the 64 sat launch a week alter
L499[11:11:05] <Althego> still in the
evening, so servicable
L500[11:11:24] <Althego> or at least i can
watch it
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L504[11:24:28] <Eddi|zuHause>
<GlassYuri> ...I wonder how easily I can hook up the
emergency interphone to taskkill unityengine when activated <--
my first idea would be assigning a KDE "global hotkey" to
"run command"
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L516[11:57:57] <mib_95nxlo> hey
L517[11:58:10] <mib_95nxlo> does anyone
here understand planes
L518[11:58:13] <Deddly> hi
L519[11:58:14] <Mod9000> Hello,
Deddly
L520[11:58:20] <Althego> what kind of
planes
L521[11:58:21] <Deddly> Heh
L522[11:58:25] <Althego> hehe
L523[11:58:27] <mib_95nxlo> the ones in
ksp
L524[11:58:28] <Althego> now it happened
to you
L525[11:58:29] <mib_95nxlo> kinda
new
L527[11:58:33] <Deddly> mib_95nxlo, oh
sure, lots in here understand planes
L528[11:58:34] <mib_95nxlo> i built a
plane
L529[11:58:38] <mib_95nxlo> but it doesnt
fly good
L530[11:58:44] <mib_95nxlo> it does fly
tho
L531[11:58:49] <mib_95nxlo> but its hard
to control
L532[11:58:49] <Deddly> Nice design
L533[11:58:53] <mib_95nxlo> and idk
why
L534[11:58:56] <Althego> hard to steer or
unstable?
L535[11:58:57] <Deddly> I can see
why
L536[11:59:01] <mib_95nxlo> hard to
steer
L537[11:59:05] <Althego> you dont have
control surfaces
L538[11:59:06] <mib_95nxlo> its stable
tho
L539[11:59:10] <Deddly> You don't have any
control surfaces :)
L540[11:59:12] <mib_95nxlo> control
surfaces?
L541[11:59:17] <Althego> well, a tiny on
the vertical stab
L542[11:59:20] <Althego> hehe
L543[11:59:26] <Deddly> Like ailerons and
flaps
L544[11:59:42] <mib_95nxlo> oh
L545[11:59:43] <Althego> surfaces that
deflect on your input, to change path of air, so that in return it
moves the plane
L547[12:00:15] <Deddly> mib_95nxlo, in
KSP, the most common ones to put on wings are all called
"Elevon" followed by a number
L548[12:00:28] <lordcirth> Yeah, it would
be steering with reaction wheels and engine vectoring. Not
enough.
L550[12:00:43] <Deddly> Exactly
L551[12:00:59] <Althego> it doesnt matter
what ksp calls them
L552[12:01:01] <mib_95nxlo> Do I add them
to both sides or just back of wings
L553[12:01:03] <Althego> all work
automatically
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L555[12:01:20] <Althego> you can turn them
on and off for different inputs
L556[12:01:28] <Deddly> If you put one on
each wing, you'll be able to roll easily. Add some to the back and
you'll be able to pull up and push down as well :)
L557[12:01:30] <raptop> I'd recommend
having some at the very back of the aircraft for pitch control. For
something small like that, roll tends to handle itself.
L558[12:01:47] <Althego> what the
wikipedia shows in the top right, animating, is the classical
layout, i usually set it up like that
L559[12:01:51] <mib_95nxlo> ok thanks
guys
L560[12:01:59] <Deddly> To be honest, just
two at the back should be enough
L561[12:02:04] <Deddly> You're more than
welcome, mib_95nxlo
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L563[12:02:29] <raptop> shadgl;galhr
L564[12:02:44] <Althego> ancient
magic
L565[12:03:08] <raptop> more of just
annoyed at "problem has a solution, and they promptly leave
before even trying it out"
L566[12:03:41] <Althego> while raptor wave
1 music is playing in my head
L567[12:03:57] <Deddly> He'll be back if
he can't work it out :)
L568[12:05:30] *
raptop blinks at Althego, and grabs a set of AIM-31
"Mauler" missiles from a convenient capsule.
L569[12:05:51] <raptop> (...why do I
remember what the powerups are for like the first 5 waves of Bravo
Sector?)
L570[12:06:00] <Althego> hehe
L571[12:06:05] <Althego> i sold those
:)
L572[12:06:32] <raptop> Eh, they're really
nice until you can get the autotracking gun or the like.
L573[12:06:58] <Althego> yes, until
that
L574[12:07:27] <Althego> all htese flat
earth videos soaked up a lot of time today
L575[12:09:02] <lordcirth> Althego, why
would you subject yourself to that?
L576[12:09:12] <Althego> actually anti
flat earthers
L577[12:09:30] <Althego> because i am donw
with creationists and moon hoaxers :)
L578[12:14:09] <lordcirth> What's a good
mod that adds 0.625m SRBs and not too much other stuff?
L579[12:14:17] <raptop> But why watch
those when eg: Susskind has a bunch of lectures on youtube?
L580[12:14:32] <Althego> you actually have
a point
L581[12:14:34] <lordcirth> My parents are
YEC's. It's annoying
L583[12:24:52] <Althego> so big
L584[12:52:22] <Fluburtur> damn
L585[12:52:35] <Fluburtur> not the biggest
I have seen but that is some legit use for one
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L588[12:58:26] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Assume a perfectly spherical kerbal.
L589[12:58:42] *
raptop sums up a few spherical harmonics instead
L590[12:59:39] <Althego> spherical kerbal
in vacuum
L591[12:59:43] <Althego> sounds about
right
L592[13:00:02] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: On
second thought, perhaps pressurizing their spacesuits to 1 ATM was
a bad idea?
L593[13:00:47] *
Scolar_Visari thinks the Alexei Leonov incident of letting air out
of one's spacesuit to re-enter the spacecraft gives Kerbals a good
precedent.
L594[13:01:22] <BPlayer> Turns out, the
physicist lied when he said that he preferred to work in a vacuum
free of any forces.
L595[13:02:31] <Scolar_Visari> BPlayer:
I'm assuming they were no longer alive for a comment?
L596[13:02:54] <BPlayer> You assumed
correctly
L597[13:03:12] <Althego> hehe
L598[13:04:26] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if BPlayer is simply APlayer just bringing
their B Game.
L599[13:05:06] ***
BPlayer is now known as PlayerDisguisedAsUser
L600[13:05:21] <PlayerDisguisedAsUser>
Which BPlayer do you mean?
L601[13:05:37] *
Scolar_Visari is unsure whether or not they should treat this as a
Reboot situation or a Tron situation.
L602[13:05:50] <Scolar_Visari> Are users
bad or good?
L603[13:05:53] ***
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L604[13:06:09] <BPlayer> "People are
generally good" - Jeff Bezos, IIRC
L605[13:06:53] <Scolar_Visari> Yeah, but
users kill a whole lot of CPUs whenever they beat a game, and that
happens a lot.
L606[13:07:06] <Scolar_Visari> Doesn't
help that the CPUs aren't actually good at their jobs.
L607[13:07:48] <BPlayer> "CPUs are
generally bad" - Scolar_Visari
L608[13:08:03] <Althego> scolar visaris
are generally bad - cpus
L609[13:08:37] *
Scolar_Visari probably has killed tens of billions of CPUs if
Plague Inc. playthroughs are accounted for.
L610[13:08:50] <BPlayer> "Althego
neither uses captitalization nor quoatation marks" -
BPlayer
L611[13:08:51] <BPlayer> :P
L612[13:09:00] <BPlayer> quotation marks*
even
L613[13:09:01] <Althego> try to avoid
special characters
L614[13:09:12] <Althego> they can be
anywhere on a given input device
L615[13:09:41] <Althego> and it seems the
tv understands me better than my computer :)
L616[13:09:43] <Scolar_Visari>
"Scolar Visari did nothing wrong" - Scolar Visari
L617[13:09:46] <BPlayer> Althego: When I
know the exact location of "anywhere", I tend to make use
of this knowledge :P
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L619[13:10:58] <Althego> the next week
remains of this year, and i have one day in reserve
L620[13:11:34] <Althego> although no
interesting game left currently. i am struggling with dead space,
it is annoying
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L622[13:13:00] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
The trick is to hack off their limbs with the first weapon you
acquire, as it's pretty much among the very best.
L623[13:13:11] <Althego> i know that
L624[13:13:15] <Althego> but 3 bullets to
one limb
L625[13:13:25] <Althego> then slowt hem
down and stomp on them
L626[13:13:38] <Althego> then i run out of
charge, go back to the nearest charger
L627[13:13:46] <Althego> this is stupid, i
am not sure i want to do that
L628[13:15:48] <Scolar_Visari>
Alternatively, you could simply become a Unitologist.
L629[13:17:28] <Eddi|zuHause> i very
impulsively bought astroneer, after following it for 2 years and
always leaning towards "nah"
L630[13:17:42] <Althego> i think i have to
get the old pc out of retirement so that i can play prototype
again
L631[13:18:10] <Eddi|zuHause> but i can't
run it, because it needs dx11
L632[13:18:47] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
That's [prototype]!
L633[13:19:17] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: who knows where the [] went today?
L634[13:19:22] <Althego> you know what
annoys me? on the cover the left hand is a blade, which is wrong,
because alex's right hand is a blade
L635[13:19:34] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Then
I'm guessing all the other recent survival games are right
out?
L636[13:19:54] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: what do you mean with "all the
other"?
L637[13:20:10] <Scolar_Visari> "Mine
name's Alex Mercer. I'm gonna find whoever misplaced my sword hand,
and I'm gonna make em pay."
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L639[13:20:29] <Althego> the story is
total rubbish
L640[13:20:33] <Althego> but i like the
game
L641[13:20:34] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi:
Subnautica, Breathedge, that one with the bajillion worlds,
etc.
L642[13:20:48] <Althego> it just does not
run on win10 because of drm
L643[13:20:59] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
There are ways around that in most cases
L644[13:21:20] <Eddi|zuHause> you're
legally allowed to circumvent DRM for programs
L645[13:21:29] <Eddi|zuHause> if it
doesn't run on your computer
L646[13:21:40] <Althego> but that would
need to download some software from some shady source and i will
nto do that
L647[13:21:50] <Eddi|zuHause> that is
often true
L648[13:22:07] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
And, to be honest, I'm not sure DRM would stop you from running
it?
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L650[13:22:19] <Althego> it is designed to
do t hat :)
L651[13:22:28] <Althego> but honestly it
stops people running it who bought it
L652[13:22:33] <Althego> never stopped
anybody who didnt
L653[13:22:37] <Althego> completely
iinsane idea
L654[13:22:54] *
Scolar_Visari notes plenty of people seem to have gotten
[prototype] to run on Windows 10, and you could probably get it to
run by transferring it to Steam.
L655[13:23:01] <Althego> the problem is,
ms removed the api from win10 because of security reasons, that the
drm of prototype was based on
L656[13:23:21] <Althego> i dont have a
steam account and i am not going to have one just because of
this
L657[13:23:26] <Eddi|zuHause> by
"api" you mean "undocumented features"?
L658[13:23:32] <Althego> no, there was
some feature set
L659[13:23:44] <Althego> looked for a
solution many times
L660[13:23:49] <Althego> never found
it
L661[13:23:56] <Scolar_Visari> If you have
a valid serial number, you can actually activated it on
Steam.
L662[13:24:03] <Eddi|zuHause> i'd still go
with the shady patch
L663[13:24:23] <Althego> i will just nmove
the other box next to this one and connect it to the screen
L664[13:24:29] <Althego> that will eb the
solution
L665[13:24:45] *
Scolar_Visari envisions Althego walking into a dark alley,
conversing with a fellow wearing an unfashionable trench coat and
accosting them. "Hey there, buddy, want some DRM
hacks?"
L666[13:25:01] <Scolar_Visari> "I got
some NO-CD patches in here too."
L668[13:25:35] <Althego> actually protoype
was the only game i couldnt rip, and i had to keep the usb writer
around to play it
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L670[13:26:27] <Scolar_Visari>
Alternatively, you could play Saint's Row. That's like
[prototype].
L671[13:26:52] *
Scolar_Visari actually thinks most free-roaming games in cities are
all the same.
L672[13:27:41] <Althego> i dont know, i
never cared about gta-style stuff
L673[13:28:30] <Eddi|zuHause> who puts a
lenin in the corner like this?
L674[13:28:45] <Scolar_Visari> Saint's Row
IV is the only one I've really cared for, but only because you'A.
You're the president and B. Can choose "Nolan North" as
your voiceover.
L675[13:28:50] <Althego> not too bad,
considering what they are doing to the real one
L676[13:28:59] <NolanSyKinsley>
>.>
L677[13:29:43] <Eddi|zuHause>
<Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Subnautica, Breathedge, that one with
the bajillion worlds, etc. <-- somehow these don't sound like
games i would enjoy much
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L679[13:30:00] <BPlayer> Progress docked
to the ISS
L680[13:30:10] <Althego> i was loking for
a stream all day
L681[13:30:22] <lordcirth> I was skeptical
about the use of the 1.875m parts, but it does add some nice
flexibility/granularity
L682[13:30:25] <Scolar_Visari> BPlayer:
You could save they've made Progress.
L683[13:30:29] <Rokker> Althego: of the
docking?
L684[13:30:31] <Althego> yes
L685[13:30:36] <Rokker> nasatv
L686[13:30:38] <Rokker> always
nasatv
L687[13:30:43] <BPlayer> Althego: NASA
channel on YouTube
L688[13:30:44] <Scolar_Visari> lordcirth:
It's not a nice round number.
L689[13:30:54] <Althego> too late
now
L690[13:31:09] <Rokker> Althego: for
future reference
L691[13:31:12] <BPlayer> Althego: Also, if
you are on Android, have a look at the Next Spaceflight app
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L693[13:31:34] <BPlayer> You will get
notifications of launches, dockings and stuff, plus direct links to
streams and extra info right in app
L694[13:32:10] <BPlayer> Cyngus docking
tomorrow, same NASA stream
L695[13:32:15] <Eddi|zuHause> so, turns
out if you terraform a dead world and then settle on it, the
spiritualist faction still complains you've settled on a dead
world
L696[13:32:31] <Althego> hehe
L697[13:32:47] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Yes,
you're still defiling a grave you fanatical materialists!
L698[13:33:09] <BPlayer> The question is
if you really want to live on a world that is alive
L699[13:33:28] <Scolar_Visari> BPlayer: Of
course you do! It gets you the first psionic tech for free!
L700[13:34:14] <Scolar_Visari> Which is
nice, because you only get a tiny chance of researching it
otherwise and it takes a lot society points to complete.
L701[13:34:30] <BPlayer> OTOH, gut
microbes seem to be pretty content to be in worlds that are
alive
L702[13:35:03] *
Scolar_Visari ponders the realization that X Rebirth was not X^4
and X^4 is coming out.
L703[13:35:13] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't even
have a materialist faction
L704[13:35:45] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Well,
you won't after I finished my God Ray superweapon.
L705[13:36:17] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm totally
a spiritualist empire
L706[13:36:20] <Scolar_Visari> DEUS
VULT!
L707[13:37:05] <Scolar_Visari> You can
overcome some of the backlash for tomb world settlement by
communing with the Warp-er, "The Shroud" and designating
a Gaia planet as a holy world.
L708[13:37:05] <Eddi|zuHause> but all
these xenos make me sick to my feathers
L709[13:37:49] <Scolar_Visari> Don't
worry, you'll learn to love them all when your empire gets an ethic
change after the war.
L710[13:37:51] <Eddi|zuHause> i've been
meaning to tick that "search for a holy world" edict, but
i was lacking influence
L711[13:38:12] <Scolar_Visari> It takes a
lot but it can be handy, particularly if you have a Fallen Empire
that's also spiritualist.
L712[13:38:21] <Eddi|zuHause> or rather, i
desperately needed that influence for the energy overload one
L713[13:38:22] <Scolar_Visari> After all,
settling their worlds is suicidal anyway.
L714[13:38:56] <Scolar_Visari> As you're
terraforming tomb worlds, I'm guessing you're in pretty late
game.
L715[13:38:56] <Eddi|zuHause> i already
annoyed he heck out of the xenophobe fallen empire
L716[13:39:17] <Eddi|zuHause> first war i
barely managed to survive, second war i crushed them
L717[13:39:32] <Eddi|zuHause> but i didn't
want to take too much off them to avoid triggering an
awakening
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L719[13:39:46] <Guest69534> hi
L720[13:39:47] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest69534
L721[13:39:52] <Scolar_Visari> Well then,
you should be building or rebuilding Dyson Spheres! Alternatively,
space colonies make for good energy producers once you've paid the
steep material cost.
L722[13:39:55] <BPlayer> Hello,
Mod9000
L723[13:40:02] <Deddly> Hello,
BPlayer
L724[13:40:08] <BPlayer> Hi, Deddly
L725[13:40:11] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i've
been constructing some habitats
L726[13:40:17] <Eddi|zuHause> but they,
too, cost influence
L727[13:40:18] <Deddly> Hi there
Guest69534 :)
L728[13:40:22] <Guest69534> guys this dess
for sucess update is annoying
L729[13:40:29] <Deddly> What's up?
L730[13:40:29] <BPlayer> Hehehe
L731[13:40:38] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Hrm,
there's also some influence increasers once you've finished all the
traditions.
L732[13:40:54] <Guest69534> Ive lost most
of my flags because the stupid game thinks that Its crashing to
surface ans before it worked perfectly
L733[13:41:01] <Scolar_Visari> And The
Shroud occasionally rewards you with an influence bonus.
L734[13:41:12] <Guest69534> how is this
getting ignored?
L735[13:41:18] <Eddi|zuHause> so far the
shroud usually fails me
L736[13:41:27] <BPlayer> Guest69534: Could
you send us an image of such a scenario?
L737[13:41:35] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Well,
couch, you can always save before using it.
L738[13:41:54] <Deddly> Wow, that sounds
odd, Guest69534. What mods are you using?
L739[13:42:01] <Eddi|zuHause> BPlayer:
i've had several flags and other (KIS) ground-attached things
explode as well
L740[13:42:18] *
Scolar_Visari doesn't seem to have many energy problems after the
mid game, due to purposefully making energy worlds.
L741[13:42:25] <BPlayer> Just on scene
reload things crash?
L742[13:42:29] <Guest69534> There is no
image need to send. When I load it on my map, its there. Its only
when I attempt to leave it, it thinks its crashing. I play
completely vanilla
L743[13:42:40] <BPlayer> I remember having
such issues in 1.3, mod related
L744[13:43:09] <BPlayer> Perhaps that's an
incentive to go and plant some flags on Dres :P
L745[13:43:13] <Guest69534> Either way I
am annoyed by it
L746[13:43:15] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: energy is like hdd space, no matter how much you
got, you immediately use all of it up
L747[13:43:27] <Guest69534> the flags were
on Kerban and on Mun
L748[13:43:53] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Huh,
I've never even used up more than three quarters of mine after
terrorbyte examples came out.
L749[13:43:53] <BPlayer> Guest69534: Does
that only happen to flags, or landers too?
L750[13:44:02] <Guest69534> just
flags
L751[13:44:06] <Eddi|zuHause> my exploding
flags were usually on returning to the landing site from tracking
station
L752[13:44:30] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: It
also helps if you make a beeline for worlds with Betharian
reserves, preferably with more than one deposit.
L753[13:44:33] <Guest69534> I notice
before it loaded it a bit upper than the ground but it froze
there
L754[13:44:58] *
Scolar_Visari has gotten worlds with three or even *FOUR* squares,
which can be particularly helpful.
L755[13:45:11] <Guest69534> before I could
exit it no problem. Ever since Ive updated though, now I cant even
switch between vessels anymore
L756[13:45:28] <BPlayer> I suppose flags
may be treated as parts by the KSP engine, in which case you might
set their impact damage, overpressure and temperature ratings to
some absurdly high numbers
L757[13:45:50] <Guest69534> It really
needs to be fixed
L758[13:45:54] <Eddi|zuHause> it annoys me
a bit that i can only siphon off 75% from sectors
L759[13:45:56] <BPlayer> And hopefully
avoid flagsplosions
L760[13:46:29] <Guest69534> luckily there
is no flag explosion.
L761[13:46:44] <Guest69534> I already
posted this on forums
L762[13:46:53] <Deddly> Where,
Guest69534?
L763[13:47:29] <Guest69534> on technically
support
L764[13:47:47] <Deddly> OK, thanks!
L765[13:48:04] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi:
Alternatively, you can also enlarge star bases and spam them with
trading hub modules and the offworld trading companies if you have
the minerals to spare. That's 36 energy right there.
L766[13:48:08] <Guest69534> The flags at
least stayed before 1.5 I never had any issue with them
L767[13:48:23] <Deddly> :(
L768[13:48:36] <Scolar_Visari> Though I'll
admit that's a stop-gap measure and an expensive one at that . . .
Energy worlds are the way to go.
L769[13:48:43] <Guest69534> now I lost all
my historically landing sites since day 70 year 1 :(
L770[13:48:56] <BPlayer> Guest69534: So,
two workarounds I may propose right away. 1) Downgrade to KSP 1.4.x
or 2) Try to find and edit the flag config to be
indestructible
L771[13:48:59] <Deddly> Guest69534,
nooooooo. You don't have a backup of your save?
L772[13:49:18] <Althego> you always have
backups
L773[13:49:22] <Guest69534> I dont want to
have to downgrade though
L774[13:49:24] <Althego> now the game
creates them for you
L775[13:49:47] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: I'm
not sure whether energy production will be easier in the next big
update or not.
L776[13:49:51] <BPlayer> Guest69534: In
that case, only option 2 remains
L777[13:49:56] <Guest69534> I am fine with
keeping my save files with lost flags
L778[13:50:10] <Guest69534> I just want to
be able to plant them and keep them there.
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L780[13:50:39] <Guest69534> but I need a
bit of guide so I dont know anything about config files
L781[13:51:01] <BPlayer> I'm afraid I am
not much of a help here, I have not opened KSP since 1.3
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L784[13:51:52] <Guest69534> where do I
edit it inc case 2?
L785[13:51:58] <Scolar_Visari> BPlayer: In
all honesty, #KSPOfficial doesn't involve much KSP
L786[13:52:24] <BPlayer> Config files are
basically just text files named .cfg, and when you open them, you
have a bunch of stuff and most of it looks like "property =
value". E.g. "mass = 100". Which means the part
weighs 100 kg. If you put, say "mass = 1000" there
instead, it weighs 1000 kg. You get the drill
L787[13:52:40] <BPlayer> The art is in
finding the correct config file and the correct property in the
file
L788[13:53:21] <BPlayer> I have honestly
no idea what the flag config may be named, and I only suppose that
the flag has a config like other parts, such as tanks and engines,
do
L789[13:53:22] <Deddly> Hey that's not
true, Scolar_Visari. Everyone here is or was a KSP player. I've
seen great advice given in here
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L791[13:54:39] <Guest69534> Well I just
plant the flags that I lost for now and leave the game till the
next update and hopefully they fix it
L792[13:55:37] <BPlayer> Got it!
KSPInstalldir/GameData/Parts/Prebuilt/flag.cfg
L793[13:55:38] <Eddi|zuHause>
<Scolar_Visari> Eddi: I'm not sure whether energy production
will be easier in the next big update or not. <-- no idea,
they're completely reworking both trade and world buildings, so
that may change a lot
L794[13:56:29] <BPlayer> Guest69534: The
config is not very large, but I suggest you try increasing
unbreakablePeriodLength
L795[13:56:55] <BPlayer> Also, sorry,
KSPInstalldir/GameData/Squad/Parts/Prebuilt/flag.cfg (I missed a
folder there)
L796[13:56:56] <Eddi|zuHause>
<Guest69534> Well I just plant the flags that I lost for now
and leave the game till the next update and hopefully they fix it
<-- you can probably go through older quicksaves and edit them
back in
L797[13:57:16] <Guest69534> BPlayer I
found it thanks. Now what i do
L798[13:57:59] <BPlayer> First, back up
the config file and your saves somewhere. Better yet, back up the
entire KSP directory
L799[13:58:07] <Guest69534> Eddi|zuHause
not If I want to redo my landings. I dont really need to, I just
want to be able to plant flags and keep them
L800[13:58:22] <BPlayer> Next, I suggest
you edit unbreakablePeriodLength to some silly large number, like
999999999
L801[13:58:38] <BPlayer> Not too large, it
might overflow, depending on how KSP works internally
L802[13:58:51] <BPlayer> But 9 9es should
be fine
L803[13:59:01] <Guest69534> exactlly I
have a better idea
L804[13:59:15] <Guest69534> I am gonna
install 1.4 and see what it was. Maybe they changed it
L805[13:59:23] <BPlayer> In 1.3 it was
3
L806[13:59:26] <Guest69534> to a different
folder
L807[13:59:30] <BPlayer> I guess it's the
same in 1.5
L808[13:59:39] <Guest69534> It might not
be.
L809[13:59:59] <BPlayer> But is it?
L810[14:00:11] <BPlayer> (I mean, you have
the file open and can look at it, don't you?)
L811[14:00:12] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't
think there was much reason to change that
L812[14:00:22] <Eddi|zuHause> the cause
for the explosions is probably elsewhere
L813[14:00:24] <Guest69534> I am guessing
not since I was able to switch regardless if there floating in
air
L814[14:00:48] <Guest69534> I am just
curious now
L815[14:01:13] <BPlayer> The thing is, the
number seems to change some grace period that is used when the
physics kick in or something. If you extend this period to be
virtually indefinite, your flag *should* remain unbreakable
L816[14:01:52] <BPlayer> They added this
unbreakable hack to fix one issue, but you might abuse it to fix
another issue
L817[14:01:53] <Althego> indestructible
flags
L818[14:02:06] <Althego> a weapon of mass
destruction
L819[14:02:20] <raptop> stab a kerbal with
a flag?
L820[14:02:22] <Guest69534> But there just
flags
L821[14:02:31] <Guest69534> Of course they
need to be unbreakable
L822[14:02:56] <BPlayer> I guess they are
breakable if you hit them with your lander or something
L823[14:04:11] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: I
want to annihilate city worlds!
L824[14:04:33] <Guest69534> im installing
1.4.5 away with words to compare the cfg files
L825[14:04:35] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm, X^4
actually looks pretty good.
L826[14:05:30] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: i'm sure the colossus is right up your alley
L827[14:05:36] <Guest69534> What there the
same :(
L828[14:06:11] <Eddi|zuHause> Guest69534:
so what everyone kept telling you was actually true? how dare
they!
L829[14:07:04] <Althego> 1.5 was a micro
update
L830[14:07:11] <Althego> and it looks like
1.6 is going to be siomilar too
L831[14:07:24] <Guest69534> I hope they
fix the flag bugs
L832[14:07:54] <Althego> i wouldnt count
on it
L833[14:08:25] <Althego> it feels like
they are gearing up for a second dlc
L834[14:08:30] <BPlayer> Guest69534: I may
once again suggest you set the property to a large number and see
what happens
L835[14:08:37] <Guest69534> then I am
leaving the game entirely
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L837[14:10:36] <Guest69534> deployvisibly
deployfail unbreak what should I change?
L838[14:10:54] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: I'm
also not sure if you'll still be able to depopulate worlds with
bombardment and transform them into bomtworlds.
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L840[14:11:35] <Eddi|zuHause> i was never
that destructively inclined to even try that
L841[14:12:16] <BPlayer> Guest69534:
unbreakability sounds worth editing to a very large number
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L843[14:12:47] <BPlayer> 999999999 should
be about 100 KSP years
L844[14:13:30] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: The
Armageddon level bombardment is only available to fanatical
purifiers and determined exterminators.
L845[14:13:47] <Eddi|zuHause> yes
L846[14:13:47] <Guest69534> Will this
allow me to leave the flag even though game think its about to
crash>
L847[14:13:59] <Eddi|zuHause> and i never
played those
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L849[14:14:34] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if it's possible to have a fleet's weapon
types, levels and numbers determine the bombardment damage over
time instead of the actual fleet rating.
L850[14:14:55] <BPlayer> Guest69534: I
cannot know. I am trying things out. I have close to 0 idea what's
wrong with the flags, but I am trying things that may or may not
fix them
L851[14:14:58] <Eddi|zuHause> you mean you
can't bomb planets with lasers?
L852[14:14:59] <BPlayer> It is worth a
shot, I say
L853[14:14:59] <Scolar_Visari> Like,
having strike craft would produce a greater level of bombardment
damage over a fleet with lazors.
L854[14:15:47] <BPlayer> I repeat, back up
your config file and your saves, or better yet, the entire KSP
folder first. No responsibility if things break even more
L855[14:16:00] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Well,
as it's currently coded in, the game would treat a fleet with a
single battleship armed with nothing but small red lasers as having
the same bombardment rating as a fleet with a single battleship
armed with level five weapons and a tachyon projector.
L856[14:16:25] <BPlayer> (They always
might if you are messing with configs, though usually reverting the
changes to the config fixes the problem)
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L860[14:30:19] <Guest69534> could it be
possible if I am using 1.2 save file or something?
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L862[14:32:22] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi:
Though now I am tempted to try and reintroduce medium size
anti-strikecraft weapons ala World War era Dual Purpose guns.
L863[14:33:56] <BPlayer> Gues69534: Could
what be possible?
L864[14:34:03] <BPlayer> Oh, they
quit
L865[14:34:11] <BPlayer> Sheesh, impatient
kids these days
L866[14:34:18] *
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L868[14:37:49] <Guest93016> could it be
possible for flags to break if I am using older version save file.
I am using 1.2
L869[14:38:57] <BPlayer> Guest93016: Could
what be possible?
L870[14:39:05] *
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Star.
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L872[14:42:03] <Eddi|zuHause> i was also
using a save converted from earlier version, but i had it happen
for newly planted flags as well
L873[14:44:42] <Guest93016> guys I have an
idea that might work for me
L874[14:44:47] <Guest93016> When I talked
about the flags
L875[14:45:13] <Guest93016> Were you able
to switch vessels or leave regardless if there crashing or
not?
L876[14:48:16] <BPlayer> I did not have
this issue, so I cannot answer your question
L877[14:48:53] <BPlayer> You may check it
yourself, though. And if you tell us your idea, we might be able to
contribute to it
L878[14:50:01] <Guest93016> I am just
frusterated
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L880[14:50:56] <Guest93016> my save is is
old from 1.2 I heard there are extra ground stations added in newer
version. I wonder if I can add it to my save file?
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L891[15:13:12] <Guest93016> how do I share
image on forums?
L893[15:13:43] <BPlayer> So it is not
crashing
L894[15:13:50] <BPlayer> It is marked as
in flight
L895[15:13:56] <Guest93016> no its just
annoying
L896[15:13:59] <BPlayer> Which is a
fixable issue
L897[15:14:11] <Guest93016> please dont
tell me to revert
L898[15:14:39] <Guest93016> I dont care
about reverting, I just want to be able to keep the flag
there
L899[15:15:00] <BPlayer> Quicksave, quit
game, look for the flag, change the status from
"IN_FLIGHT" (or similar) to "LANDED" in the
save file, start the game again, quickload
L900[15:15:43] <Guest93016> will it stay
there?
L901[15:15:52] <BPlayer> Back up your game
and try it
L902[15:16:05] <BPlayer> It should, but of
course I cannot predict what will happen
L903[15:17:11] <BPlayer> I mean, the worst
case scenario is that your computer catches fire while you are
working with the save file, bu we cannot know. :P
L904[15:18:09] <BPlayer> Seriously, me and
other people here are not wizards. Some might know this problem
already and know a fix, others like me are speculating and
suggesting things that /might/ work - or /might/ break your save
file.
L905[15:19:18] <Guest93016> I dont see in
flight
L906[15:19:55] <BPlayer> Open your search
file in Notepad++, Notepad or similar, Ctrl-F (or whatever your key
combo is) and search for "name = flag"
L907[15:20:33] <Guest93016> Is there a way
I can send you the text?
L908[15:20:36] <BPlayer> It should be
inside of a block labeled "PART {}" which in turn should
be inside of a block labelled "VESSEL {}", I think
L909[15:20:42] <Guest93016> I search for
flag but its lots
L910[15:21:19] <BPlayer> Of course, you
will have lots of flags in your save. Also, every part on your
vessel that has a decal will have something with "flag",
IIRC
L911[15:21:31] <BPlayer> Search
specifically for "name = flag"
L912[15:21:51] <Guest93016> think I found
it
L913[15:21:54] <Guest93016> it saysx
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L915[15:21:54] <Guest93016> sit =
LANDED
L916[15:22:02] <Guest93016> :(
L917[15:22:05] <BPlayer> And some of the
flags you find will have something like that, but it will not be
LANDED
L918[15:22:12] <BPlayer> You want to
change that for LANDED
L919[15:22:28] <BPlayer> Just go through
the list, one should be in flight or something
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L921[15:25:46] <Guest93016> I went to my
old backup. It usually says landed
L922[15:25:56] <Guest93016> I think it
happens when I load the flag through the tracking station
L923[15:26:08] <Guest93016> thats where it
messes up
L924[15:27:15] <BPlayer> In that case, you
may want to copy your flag "vessels", just in case, and
restore them whenever they get deleted
L925[15:27:30] <BPlayer> Better then
letting them disappear
L926[15:27:35] <BPlayer> than*
L927[15:27:48] <Guest93016> Il just plant
them for now and hide them so I wont load them through
tracking
L928[15:28:07] <Guest93016> nobody really
cares about flags so It problably goes unoticed
L929[15:28:14] <Guest93016> To me there
part history :(
L930[15:28:20] <Guest93016> which is
forever lost
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L932[15:28:38] <Guest93016> Luckily I know
the spot of my first Mun Landing so I can still plant that
L933[15:28:44] <BPlayer> I tend to build
multi stage landers, so I have a token of my landings to look
at
L934[15:29:07] <BPlayer> Or you may drop a
decoupler or something, and call that "flag"
L935[15:29:39] <BPlayer> Because multi
stage landers are not quite practical in stock KSP (I play with
RSS)
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L937[15:35:02] <Guest93016> nah Il just
replant them and hide them
L938[15:35:10] <Guest93016> thanks for
trying to help though
L939[15:35:34] <Guest93016> I notice the
hopper and parachute in new update is also unsafe lol
L940[15:35:44] <Guest93016> poor new
players
L941[15:35:51] <BPlayer> Alright, feel
free to ask questions anytime
L942[15:35:53] <Guest93016> Squad is
really messing this up
L943[15:36:15] <BPlayer> Just make sure to
wait some time for an answer, as sometimes people do not
immediately receive or read the messages
L944[15:36:17] <Guest93016> I do
axcually
L945[15:36:19] <Guest93016> just one
L946[15:36:24] <esspapier> I remember when
they added the moon and all we had for landing on it were
fins
L947[15:36:37] <esspapier> I left quite a
few of those one the moon :D
L948[15:36:52] <Guest93016> I am using old
save file.
L949[15:37:07] <Guest93016> Oh nvm. I was
gonna ask about other landing sites. I didnt know they were already
in my new save file
L950[15:37:17] <BPlayer> It's not an
implied accusation, just a precautionary "warning". You
will be surprised how many people leave the channel if they don't
get answers within one or two minutes
L951[15:37:44] <Guest93016> Its not
suprising. I usually post this on forums and wait for reply
L952[15:39:26] <Guest93016> I am not
totally mad at the developers. I am cool for them adding new
features. I just want the game stable and playable
L953[15:39:39] <Guest93016> As it should
be
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L955[15:41:41] <JVFoxy> BPlayer dropped
decoupler you say?
L957[15:42:14] <BPlayer> JVFoxy: KAP:
Kerbal ascent pad
L958[15:42:30] <JVFoxy> ... if you call
jumping out of it an ascent..
L959[15:42:31] <BPlayer> Or rather, PAP:
Personal ascent pad
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L961[15:42:59] <JVFoxy> I just happened to
be going through old pics the other day from previous KSP versions.
This was back in 0.22
L962[15:43:22] <BPlayer> Well, KeBaP:
Kerbal Ballistic Pad
L963[15:43:32] <BPlayer> Could be a NASA
acronym
L964[15:43:34] <BPlayer> :D
L965[15:44:01] <BPlayer> It's cute,
though, /me approves
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L967[15:46:58] <Draconiator> I did
download the oldest version availiable (0.7.3) to try and get into
orbit....it CANNOT be done with the thing. I tried
everything...
L968[15:47:44] <JVFoxy> Draconiator funny
you should mention 0.7.3...
L969[15:48:07] <JVFoxy> I got that as well
a while back. I haven't tried it out. Saving it for a retro first
impressions.. thing
L970[15:48:24] <JVFoxy> btw.. what
'thing'?
L971[15:48:44] <Draconiator> I meant that
specific version
L972[15:49:50] <JVFoxy> oh heh.. thought
was some special part people 'mod'd in'. :P
L973[15:49:51] <UmbralRaptop> The key to
0.7.3 is to realize that it predates fuel tank stacking. IIRC
L974[15:50:09] <JVFoxy> oh right... one
fuel tank, one engine?
L975[15:51:12] <JVFoxy> I thought that was
earlier... I only got it because it was first version available to
public. I heard stories of air modeling was too thick as
well.
L976[15:53:33] <JVFoxy> looking back at
past pictures... specifically when I used kerbinside.. some places
I made, gives me memories of early days of filghtsim, when actual
3d builds were rather sparsely placed
L977[16:03:58] <UmbralRaptop> Yeah, you
have to be careful with designs because of that. Also, like, pre
1995 or so flight sims?
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L982[16:31:12] <JVFoxy> UmbralRaptop why
careful with designs? Obviously, should put things in place that
makes sense...
L983[16:34:09] <UmbralRaptop> Above trap
plus limited decoupler and radial attachment options meaning you
have to use SRBs as structural elements plus lack of symmetry plus
no struts plus cursed asymmetric tricoupler plus…
L984[16:35:29] <Eddi|zuHause> Fluburtur:
that looks like my KSP landings, except nothing explodes
L985[16:35:44] <Fluburtur> heh
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L987[16:42:45] <Fluburtur> I wonder what
the dv of a spray paint can is
L988[16:45:47] <JVFoxy> probably pretty
tiny... given weight of spray paint in particle form
L989[16:46:12] <UmbralRaptop> Isp is
probably < 100 m/s
L990[16:46:29] <JVFoxy> might get more DV
just throwing a whole full can in one direction
L991[16:46:46] <JVFoxy> mass of spray
paint inside + weight of can itself
L992[16:49:03] <UmbralRaptop> If in both
cases you're using the can to propel yourself, probably.
L993[16:51:02] <JVFoxy> mind you,
velocity+mass of propellant coming out of the nozzle vs mass of
full can+how fast your throwing arm is.
L994[16:52:20] <JVFoxy> throwing
something... ok so about 45m/s...
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L998[17:06:22] <JVFoxy> Ok so... what with
the mods being made for the game. Its not so hard to make one...
whole lot of time, motivation, reading?
L999[17:06:42] <JVFoxy> I keep finding
myself coming up with a few ideas, but .... not sure how to go
about things.
L1000[17:07:07] <Eddi|zuHause> so what
exactly are you asking?
L1001[17:07:51] <Eddi|zuHause> there are
simple mods, there are complex mods, and there are difficult
mods
L1002[17:08:08] <JVFoxy> I understand
there are levels of complexity... making assets for use in game,
not so big a deal. Just know how to work 3d object editor.. add
meta data.. a few other things.
L1003[17:08:53] <JVFoxy> then... ya, you
get mods that changes quite a bit of the game. I guess, where does
one go to read up on whats required, how to even start putting
things together to start work on a mod?
L1004[17:08:53] <Eddi|zuHause> the
biggest and most important task is always to find the right
question to ask
L1005[17:09:31] <sandbox> is youtube
down?
L1006[17:09:36] <JVFoxy> I know a place
that talked about making custom assets but its been outdated for
ages. game keeps changing
L1007[17:09:39] <Eddi|zuHause> my
suggestion would be to find a mod that sorta does a similar thing
to the one you want, and look how they did it
L1008[17:10:25] <JVFoxy> sandbox doh...
so it would seem.. error 500
L1009[17:10:39] <JVFoxy> home page loads
but shows nothing other than header first time I tried
loading
L1010[17:11:21] <sandbox> oh well
L1011[17:11:39] <Eddi|zuHause> must be
website only, i have a video open i watched halfway through, and
that still plays
L1012[17:12:29] <JVFoxy> you may have
already buffered the data
L1013[17:12:37] <JVFoxy> gusesing new
requests are getting rebuffed
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L1015[17:12:56] <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't
buffer the full video
L1016[17:13:01] <JVFoxy> frontend might
still be working, database may have hit a problem.
L1017[17:13:10] <Eddi|zuHause> and the
buffer is still filling
L1018[17:13:44] <JVFoxy> if you still
streaming data, anything currently running should be ok
L1019[17:14:04] <JVFoxy> will hit
problems when you go to call up another page..
L1020[17:15:53] <JVFoxy> as for the
mod... you think kerbals would care about hardware that has done
something historical/significant? Or other kerbals that have
achieved a milestone in the game?
L1021[17:16:42] <Eddi|zuHause> so should
i base64-decode that text on the 500 page and see what they put in
there?
L1022[17:17:42] <JVFoxy> .... or is it
32?
L1023[17:18:11] <Eddi|zuHause> never
heard of a base32
L1024[17:18:33] <JVFoxy> sorry 64 made me
think 64 bit
L1025[17:19:13] <Eddi|zuHause> well,
python's base64 module thinks a base32 and base16 exist
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L1027[17:19:29] <Eddi|zuHause> it has
nothing to do with 64bit though
L1028[17:19:52] <Eddi|zuHause> base64 is
you have 64 digits (instead of 2, or 10, or 16)
L1029[17:20:25] <JVFoxy> got me... it
could be anything far as I'm concerned.
L1030[17:20:53] <Eddi|zuHause> usually
0..9, A..Z, a..z and +/, but for URL-compatibility + and / are
replaced by - and _ on the web
L1031[17:21:44] <Eddi|zuHause> base16 is
just regular hexadecimal
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L1033[17:22:39] <JVFoxy> moot point now..
youtube back running like it should.
L1034[17:22:44] <JVFoxy> or it is on my
end
L1035[17:22:44] <Eddi|zuHause> JVFoxy:
every youtube-url you've ever clicked on had a base64-encoded video
ID in it
L1036[17:23:23] <JVFoxy> ya I figured it
was an ID string in itself. I just didn't look further into
it
L1037[17:27:20] <JVFoxy> As for the mod:
thinking something more akin to a visitor's center... I don't know.
Maybe its stupid/too complex. Basically lets you review models of
your crafts that did something significant in the game, or holds
records of Kerbals with major achievments. (optionally a memorial
for those that lost lives if you wanna get more gritty)
L1038[17:28:08] <Eddi|zuHause> hm, not
sure what i did wrong, i only get "incorrect padding"
error
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L1042[17:33:54] <Eddi|zuHause> ok, i
added padding, but seems like it's not human-readable data stored
in there
L1043[17:34:24] <Eddi|zuHause>
("padding" here apparently means "put some ="
characters at the end)
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L1045[17:36:37] <JVFoxy> could just be
whatever created the log is getting garbage as well
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L1055[17:54:21] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: While sometimes delicious, bean burritos' low
exhaust velocity make them underwhelming as propellant.
L1056[17:54:51] <UmbralRaptop> The trick
is to use them in FRSC
L1057[17:55:03] *
UmbralRaptop feels bad for making that joke
L1058[17:55:22] <Scolar_Visari> You shall
wear the hairshirt spacesuit of shame.
L1059[17:55:49] <UmbralRaptop> uh
L1060[17:56:21] <UmbralRaptop> Oh, you
could make an incredibly gross counterpressure design o_O
L1061[17:56:53] <Scolar_Visari>
"Hey, what's this white stuff all over my suit?"
L1062[17:57:41] <JVFoxy> 'hairshirt'..
ugh, like that thing I seen on adds sometimes, sweater hair
shirt?
L1063[17:58:24] <Scolar_Visari> I think
it's meant to be chest hair.
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L1066[18:01:04] <JVFoxy> ... and back
hair
L1067[18:01:12] <JVFoxy> ... arm
hair..
L1068[18:02:42] <Scolar_Visari> All the
places where humans don't actually want hair.
L1069[18:03:04] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if human evolution simply got lazy during the
hair removal process and thought, "eh, good
enough."
L1070[18:04:56] <JVFoxy> no hair human?
that be kinda sad
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L1072[18:05:20] <Scolar_Visari> As I
said, hair where humans *dont't* want hair. Like on their
rears.
L1073[18:05:28] <Scolar_Visari> Or
backs.
L1074[18:05:30] *
UmbralRaptop misses having eyelashes
L1075[18:05:43] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: You have feathers, don't you?
L1076[18:06:02] <UmbralRaptop> Something
something nicitating membranes
L1077[18:06:36] <JVFoxy> oh rears...
first pass I read that as 'ears'
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L1080[18:07:26] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy:
Admittedly, would *you* like hair poking out your ears like a
gnome?
L1081[18:09:07] <JVFoxy> Scolar_visari
no... but I wouldn't mind furred ears... on the lobes.
L1082[18:11:07] <Scolar_Visari> You
obviously meant to write, "feathered ears".
L1083[18:11:21] <Scolar_Visari> Feathers
> Mammalian hair covering
L1084[18:16:52] <JVFoxy> you have your
own thing going.. I have mine..
L1085[18:17:12] <Scolar_Visari> Nerve
stapling will fix your rebellious tendencies!
L1086[18:17:51] <JVFoxy> Just be thankful
I'd rather stay out of your way...
L1087[18:18:47] <JVFoxy> already enough
trolls in the world
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that would allow comments sections on the internet.
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L1090[18:21:32] <Scolar_Visari> Excuse
me, outlaw.
L1091[18:21:45] <Scolar_Visari> Such a
menace must be dealt with once, and for all . . . At least on
Tropico
L1092[18:23:02] <JVFoxy> Tropico.... play
as a dictator?
L1093[18:24:28] <Scolar_Visari> You can
if you so desire. In the various games, you (as El Presidente) can
issue edicts and one of them actually outlaws Twitter.
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L1095[18:25:28] <JVFoxy> haven't really
looked into the game much myself.. just see pictures of guy in
outfit...
L1096[18:25:35] <Scolar_Visari> You can
have free elections ever ten years or so (you can call for early
elections), or having roving death squads shoot political opponents
with a click of a button.
L1097[18:26:29] <JVFoxy> lol... make sim
city like addition to KSP... hmm..
L1098[18:26:31] <Scolar_Visari> They're
rather entertaining, though the best is probably Tropico 4 (which
is itself little more than Tropico 3).
L1099[18:28:37] <Scolar_Visari> They're a
bit unlike the Sim City games in that they deal with a smaller
scale where all the individual people are fully simulated with
families.
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L1101[18:29:16] <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes
i wish paradox games had better german translations...
L1102[18:29:50] <Scolar_Visari> At the
moment, the titles really aren't good at supporting multiple
buildings involving the same industry, so it's better to have, for
example, one rum factory chain and a coffee factory chain than it
is to have two of either.
L1103[18:30:01] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi:
Nein nein nein!
L1104[18:31:11] <Eddi|zuHause> there is
something immersion-breaking when the description of a thing reads
"TODO"
L1105[18:32:19] <Scolar_Visari> Odd,
given the number of decent titles that come out of Germany and it
representing a rather large market.
L1106[18:33:00] <Scolar_Visari> I mean,
it'd probably be easier localizing a title for German than it would
be for Japanese or Hectapod.
L1107[18:34:13] <Scolar_Visari> Then
again, certain games required a significant amount of sanitation
for local sale . . .
L1108[18:34:25] *
Scolar_Visari is actually glaring at Command & Conquer
entries.
L1110[18:42:08] <JVFoxy> speaking of city
building games... ever looked at Ostriv?
L1111[18:43:29] <Scolar_Visari> Looks
like Banished to me.
L1112[18:45:56] <Eddi|zuHause> there was
another game that was essentially a remake of banished
L1113[18:46:14] <Eddi|zuHause> forest
village or something
L1114[18:46:28] <JVFoxy> Banished... just
the name makes me think its a FPS game
L1115[18:48:44] <Eddi|zuHause> you know
what annoys me about the warscore-replacement system in stellaris?
you basically cannot get them to surrender unless you occupy every
single one of the planets you have a claim on
L1116[18:49:25] <JVFoxy> yay harsh game
physics
L1117[18:49:29] <Eddi|zuHause> no matter
whether you claimed one system and don't occupy it, or claimed 20
systems and occupy 19 of them
L1118[18:49:39] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: I
think that's the intent. However, you really can't (or at least,
shouldn't) claim many to begin with. It's different once you have a
total war casus belli.
L1119[18:49:58] <Scolar_Visari> The old
system tended to make every war an all out total war, among other
things.
L1120[18:52:15] <Eddi|zuHause> i've never
heard of total war casus belli, is that
certain-alingments-only?
L1121[18:52:53] <JVFoxy> 'when you
declare war on one of us.. we /all/ go to war!'
L1122[18:53:59] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: You
get it as determined exterminators, fanatical purifiers and
whenever you have a colossus or declare war against one with
it.
L1123[18:54:11] <Eddi|zuHause> i just
find it tedious to hunt down that last spot in a war you're
obviously winning
L1124[18:54:33] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: yeah, never did either of those things
L1125[18:54:51] <Scolar_Visari> It can be
very, ah, cathartic when you're sterilizing a devouring swarm
empire with a neutron sweep for a decade or two.
L1126[18:55:44] <Scolar_Visari> One thing
that I know other didn't like but that I *do* like is the mandated
hyperlane FTL in regards to space combat, as having every single
fleet penetrate deep into your empire quickly got tiring.
L1127[18:56:29] <Eddi|zuHause> i love and
hate the new "constellation" hyperlane layout
L1128[18:57:13] <Eddi|zuHause> and i pick
the jump drive whenever i can lay my hands on it, because ignoring
hyperlanes once in a while is a big tactical importance
L1129[18:57:42] <Scolar_Visari> The jump
drive *is* powerful, but it also leaves a jumping fleet at 50%
firepower (!!!) for several weeks afterwards.
L1130[18:58:02] <JVFoxy> eh...
L1131[18:58:04] <Scolar_Visari> On the
other hand, having gates is absolutely vital for a big
empire.
L1132[18:58:32] <JVFoxy> 50%... shouldn't
that be .. optional not manditory? I can see they do it as a draw
back, having to charge for another jump..
L1133[18:58:53] <Eddi|zuHause> the option
is not to use the jump
L1134[18:59:00] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy:
There are mods which change it, but the psi jump drive in either
configuration is horrendously powerful.
L1135[18:59:20] <Eddi|zuHause> also,
jumping right into battle is a bad idea, because there is a
cooldown period where you can't move
L1136[18:59:21] <Scolar_Visari> As it
probably should be, given that in older versions it outranged the
tier 3 wormhole generators.
L1137[18:59:42] <JVFoxy> mind you..
having ai fleat jump into the core of your claim, and start wiping
things out before you can even respond...
L1138[18:59:54] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: The
combat malus cool down time is still rather long.
L1139[19:00:30] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy:
It didn't help that star fortresses were all but useless against
anything other than lone corvettes.
L1140[19:01:04] <Scolar_Visari> Now each
system has an outpost that can repel such things, and they can be
upgraded to actual fortresses with titan-class weapons.
L1141[19:01:15] <Eddi|zuHause> i've got
them beefed up quite well now, just the platforms die way too
quickly
L1142[19:01:31] <Eddi|zuHause> so even if
i push back a first wave, it takes far too long to rebuild
L1143[19:02:00] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: I
like to think of them as like Imperial Guard Planetary Defense
Fortresses: They're there to stop imbeciles or delays enemy forces
long enough for relief forces to arrive.
L1144[19:02:27] <Scolar_Visari> Though,
ahem, I think the boosted land forces in Stellaris now do a better
job of that.
L1145[19:04:07] *
Scolar_Visari would still like surface-to-orbit
weapons.
L1146[19:04:13] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm in
need of the technology where i can build stargates myself, not just
reactivate existing ones...
L1147[19:04:51] <Eddi|zuHause> the
existing ones are kinda all bunched up in one location, not very
helpful
L1148[19:04:57] <Scolar_Visari> It's far
down but very useful if you have the minerals.
L1149[19:05:41] <Scolar_Visari>
Particularly when you have advanced, late game empires on the other
side or have to respond to a crisis and won't know where it's
coming from.
L1150[19:05:59] <Eddi|zuHause> i've
opened 2 shielded worlds and both contained 50k engineering
research, that should speed up a few things
L1151[19:06:00] <Scolar_Visari> Or simply
want to govern the evolution of future societies.
L1152[19:06:30] <Scolar_Visari> Nothing's
more satisfying than having a gate in every inhabited system!
L1153[19:06:39] <Eddi|zuHause>
(generating about 1k per month myself)
L1154[19:07:46] <Scolar_Visari> I have,
as Rogue Servitors, build paradise ringworlds at the extreme ends
of the galaxies connected only to one other systems plus
gates.
L1155[19:08:07] <Scolar_Visari> Perfect
for evacuating the organics!
L1156[19:08:39] *
Scolar_Visari also notes there's a mod that allows players to, at
extreme cost, actually cut off systems from the hyperlane network
entirely.
L1157[19:08:40] <Eddi|zuHause> i've never
got that far into late game
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L1159[19:09:54] <Scolar_Visari>
Admittedly, I only did it as a Rogue Servitor role play effort.
Otherwise, it was ridiculously expensive.
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L1161[19:21:23] <Scolar_Visari>
Ringworlds should be far more potent in the upcoming release!
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L1163[19:23:51] *
Scolar_Visari would still like a more expanded religion system and
espionage in the next release.
L1164[19:27:04] <Scolar_Visari> Though I
suppose the Megacorp DLC lays the foundation for all of that.
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L1168[19:37:24] <Eddi|zuHause> i had
ringworld making tech once, but i forgot why i stopped that
game
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L1200[23:53:40] <Athen> hi
L1201[23:53:43] <Mod9000> Hello,
Athen
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L1204[23:54:43] <Althego> thought
so
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