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L1[00:00:17] <JVFoxy> wondering if docking a
section ship messes with things... didn't have a crew already on
when it was launched.
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L4[00:15:26] <JVFoxy> Althego (back from
afk) found the issue... sigh. just stupid.
L5[00:16:02] <JVFoxy> I docked that
booster/relay thing earlier.. it was built and launched previously.
I figured I'd store it on the station. Turns out it was preventing
the contract complete from finishing.
L6[00:16:23] <JVFoxy> soon as I disconnected
it... contract completed. :\
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L8[00:18:51] <Althego> this is still a
bug
L9[00:19:03] <Althego> but probably a rare
edge case
L10[00:19:48] <Althego> nothing says you
cant connect things to a station that are older
L11[00:21:11] <JVFoxy> contract wants
something new built after it was taken. I'm guessing if you connect
something prior, it won't complete because it thinks you trying to
use older parts. It doesn't know any better
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L13[00:21:39] <Althego> yes but part of it
is newer
L14[00:21:46] <JVFoxy> basically, game
checks date parts were 'built'.. if anything before contract was
taken, it considers everything invalid
L15[00:21:53] <Althego> it just depends on
what you think of as a root and a leaf
L16[00:22:25] <JVFoxy> they probably
figured, oh.. they'll just launch a whole station with pilot and
everything in one go..
L17[00:22:51] <JVFoxy> not: launch probe
controlled station in to orbit. docking an older craft, then
sending up a pilot... I kinda went the long way around
L18[00:24:59] <JVFoxy> it just... when I
launched the station on its own.. I just happened to place it in
orbit right next to a booster/relay part, which had already been
sitting in orbit for a while before the station contract was taken.
I wanted to dock it together in in case I came up with a use for
it.
L19[00:26:22] <JVFoxy> I guess I could have
waited till I did teh contract, but would have meant waiting a
dozen or so orbits before they got close together again (booster
72km orbit, station in 85km orbit)
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L24[01:03:26] <Eddi|zuHause>
<Althego> yes but part of it is newer <-- as far as i
know, game checks whether *all* parts are newer than the contract,
not just "root" or whatever
L25[01:12:19] <JVFoxy> I reverted... at
least I'll know for later.. its just matter of dropping the booster
off, then reconnecting it after it drifts out far enough
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L32[02:36:06] <GlassYuri> TheKosmonaut,
softbank just sent a freaking scammer to my house
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L38[02:48:22] <JVFoxy> ..... scammers going
door-to-door now?
L39[02:49:37] <Gasher[work]> kill them and
then hang them by the door to scare away future ones
L40[02:51:05] <JVFoxy> Gasher[work] not
worth the paperwork
L41[02:51:41] <JVFoxy> besides.. might
scare off friends as well
L42[02:51:43] <Gasher[work]> no one will
miss those
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L44[02:51:59] <JVFoxy> your own
friends?
L45[02:52:12] <Gasher[work]> i mean
scammers
L46[02:52:32] <Gasher[work]> took me too
long to type
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L48[02:53:47] <JVFoxy> I was thinking more
along the lines it would scare everyone else, and cause police to
hunt you down
L49[02:54:13] <GlassYuri> scammers from a
major company
L50[02:55:19] <GlassYuri> he ended up
saying "this is not a contract" while asking for my bank
account
L51[02:55:22] <JVFoxy> ... major scamming
company?
L52[02:55:39] <GlassYuri> JVFoxy, well the
H in ISP stands for honesty
L53[02:56:00] <JVFoxy> GlassYuri eh.. you
kinda lost me on that one
L54[02:56:31] <GlassYuri> softbank is known
to be a scummy internet service provider but this was 100% into
scam territory
L55[02:58:23] <JVFoxy> this the same
Softbank in Japan or?
L56[02:58:27] <GlassYuri> yeah
L57[02:58:37] <JVFoxy> Quick search says
its just a holding company
L58[02:59:07] <GlassYuri> all
megacorporations are just a holding company at the top
L59[02:59:30] <GlassYuri> what they
actually do under the softbank brand is internet disservice
L60[02:59:39] <JVFoxy> oh frig's sake...
-reads further
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L62[03:00:16] <GlassYuri> but when you
f-ing tell me in my face that I'm not signing a contract while
you're trying to get me into an agreement with you
L63[03:00:32] <GlassYuri> you are 100%
violating the law
L64[03:00:43] <JVFoxy> ah tele-com...
L65[03:00:58] <JVFoxy> eh... I wouldn't
give banking info anyways
L66[03:01:07] <JVFoxy> least not to someone
coming to the door
L67[03:03:26] <GlassYuri> I'm having some
doubt if it was legitimate or someone pretending to be
softbank
L68[03:04:01] <JVFoxy> best to just refuse.
Talk to the company directly
L69[03:04:20] <JVFoxy> can never be sure..
people lately been pulling out pretty good fake id's
L70[03:09:20] <JVFoxy> any case..
lates
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L77[04:39:42] <Rolf> GlassYuri: yeah i
would NOT sign anything for guy coming to door
L78[04:39:50] <Rolf> unless its for package
arrival whatever
L79[04:40:33] <Rolf> what I would do is
read it really slowly
L80[04:40:54] <GlassYuri> he didn't even
give me anything to read
L81[04:41:05] <GlassYuri> the whole thing
was super suspicious from the start
L82[04:41:05] <Rolf> so its sign for
what?
L83[04:41:28] <GlassYuri> at first he
pretended to be just informing people of some construction
work
L84[04:41:48] <GlassYuri> and he was very
clearly trying to mislead me
L85[04:42:38] <Rolf> and needing bank
account #?
L86[04:42:41] <Rolf> wow very strange
L87[04:43:01] <GlassYuri> he was trying to
get me to switch providers
L88[04:43:43] <Rolf> of isp or?
L89[04:43:48] <GlassYuri> yeah
L90[04:44:02] <Rolf> new consection might
be isp making new hardline
L91[04:44:25] <Rolf> still sounds strange
tho
L92[04:44:29] <GlassYuri> but he was trying
to make it seem like they had to exchange my fiber to ethernet
converter thing
L93[04:45:12] <Rolf> weird
L94[04:46:16] <GlassYuri> he was not even
from my ISP but when I told him that he said something to make it
seem like they had to change it for everyone so I assumed they were
sharing infrastructure between ISPs
L95[04:46:48] <Rolf> yeah too much fast
talking
L96[04:46:48] <GlassYuri> he was super
evasive and actually got mad when I saw through it
L97[04:47:19] <Rolf> maybe he was trying to
get more customers by dodgy means
L98[04:47:40] <GlassYuri> probably had a
boss holding someone hostage until he reaches a sales goal
L99[04:48:37] <GlassYuri> I once had
someone outright tell me about his performance goals when I didn't
want to buy anything
L100[04:49:28] <GlassYuri> anyway when I
saw through it this guy actually insulted my language ability for
not """understanding""" him
L101[04:49:43] <GlassYuri> at that point I
broke out laughing and literally called him a scammer
L102[04:49:44] <Rolf> lol
L103[04:50:52] <GlassYuri> my 3d printer
seems to have issues with the first layer
L104[04:51:22] <GlassYuri> I think the
middle of the bed is lower than the corners so I can't level it
properly
L105[04:52:58] <Rolf> thats always
fun
L106[04:53:21] <Rolf> you might be able to
add center bolt so you can just push it up a little?
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L108[05:03:35] <TheKosmonaut> GlassYuri: I
had NHK come to my door the other day
L109[05:04:30] <GlassYuri> TheKosmonaut,
they go away when you tell them you have no tv tho
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L111[05:04:48] <TheKosmonaut> I told him
and he said “are you sure?”
L112[05:04:56] <GlassYuri>
ahahahahaha
L113[05:04:58] <TheKosmonaut> And grilled
me for like 4 minutes.
L114[05:05:18] <TheKosmonaut> I told him
my religion forbids it. And I believe tv to be an evil tool.
L115[05:05:22] <Rolf> I havent owned a tv
since 90s
L116[05:05:34] <TheKosmonaut> And if he’d
like I could send him some literature, conveniently I have his
business card.
L117[05:05:38] <Rolf> not because of
religion just dont need one
L118[05:05:40] <TheKosmonaut> He left
quick after that
L119[05:05:42] <GlassYuri> half of me
wants to reply "I watch everything on bilibili", the
other half wants to avoid trouble
L120[05:06:27] <Rolf> "ehh my tv is
all smeared and it's in my bedroom, wanna see it?"
L121[05:07:11] <GlassYuri> did you know
that you can watch most anime legally for free with no ads if you
are willing to use a VPN to tunnel INTO china
L122[05:07:45] <GlassYuri> because
bilibili licenses anime at a loss just to get people on their
service who then spend money on mobile games
L123[05:09:17] <GlassYuri> mobile games
are so profitable you can sell them to customers who don't want to
pay for their entertainment it seems
L124[05:09:39] <GlassYuri> Rolf, that
would mean you have a tv, which requires you to pay
L125[05:09:44] <TheKosmonaut> GlassYuri:
honestly SoftBank is cancer
L126[05:09:57] <TheKosmonaut> I switched
to AU which isn’t much better, and my home internet is Sony
L127[05:10:02] <kubi> here you need to pay
if you have a computer as the national TV is on the net
L128[05:10:18] <TheKosmonaut> Claim to be
Amish
L129[05:10:21] <Rolf> GlassYuri: lol
forgot about your weird tv license thing
L130[05:10:42] <kubi> but whenever
Radiotjanst (the money collector company) comes, they as about a TV
only
L131[05:10:52] <GlassYuri> TheKosmonaut,
docomo for both smartphone and home internet
L132[05:13:45] <GlassYuri> TheKosmonaut,
also the cops showed up two days ago to ask if my information is
still current
L133[05:13:52] <GlassYuri> somehow
policewomen love me
L134[05:14:35] <GlassYuri> I had one call
me onii-san all the time when I reported losing something
L135[05:16:33] <TheKosmonaut> They showed
at your house?
L136[05:16:37] <TheKosmonaut> That’s
pretty crap
L137[05:16:45] <TheKosmonaut> I’ve never
had them approach my house
L138[05:17:28] <GlassYuri> I think it took
like over a year for them to first show up, and I had gone to a
koban in the area over something already
L139[05:18:17] <GlassYuri> I also called
110 once from my home but I think that was after they came by
themselves
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L145[06:25:12] <sandbox> I'm just waiting
for the AI politicians
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L163[09:26:18] <Althego> tadün
L164[09:27:18] <darsie> .
L165[09:27:44] <Eddi|zuHause> tatü
tata?
L166[09:27:58] <Eddi|zuHause> coming back
to dialing 110?
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L169[09:29:12] <Althego> this
L170[09:29:38] <Althego> at least i dont
go to work tomorrow
L171[09:29:46] <Althego> saturday workdays
are useless
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L180[10:03:30] <Eddi|zuHause> so i
restarted firefox and that freed like 4GB of memory
L181[10:04:09] <darsie> swap?
L182[10:04:46] <Eddi|zuHause> what does
that have to do with anything?
L183[10:05:49] <darsie> freeing unused
swap may not have much effect.
L184[10:06:20] <darsie> But I'm restarting
FF, too, sometimes. When it gets slow.
L186[10:12:40] <Althego> hehe
L187[10:12:51] <Eddi|zuHause> i've heard
worse
L188[10:13:00] <Althego> yes only the last
note was annoying
L189[10:13:10] <Fluburtur> I guess it
isn't too bad for two days of trumpeting
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L192[10:25:50] <Althego> around 1.5 days
away from it's business time. at least now they should really do it
after many months of delays
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L194[10:27:50] <Eddi|zuHause> (i think
they shortened it a bit in that video)
L196[10:33:52] <Fluburtur> I like how I
know how to read music notes like one month every two years
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L201[11:11:10] <falalilal> woop woop, my
duna outpost works!
L202[11:12:06] <Althego> but the mars
rover doesnt
L203[11:25:37] <falalilal> my rover does
tho! and its a workhorse, it managed to drag the greenhouse to the
mining equipment lol
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L209[11:40:25] <Althego> hehe
L210[11:40:29] <Althego> i like the 0-60
yes
L211[11:40:36] <JVFoxy> lol.. ya was going
to say same thing
L212[11:40:46] <JVFoxy> only doesn't say..
'yes....eventually'.
L213[11:41:02] <falalilal> it can go any
of those speeds!
L214[11:41:19] <JVFoxy> ah but...
L215[11:41:19] <Fluburtur> 60kph
maybe
L216[11:41:24] <JVFoxy> ugh beat me to
it
L217[11:41:27] <Althego> speed depends on
your reference coordinate system
L218[11:41:38] <JVFoxy> think 60mph
would... that tire going to stay on much longer?
L219[11:41:43] <Althego> so i would argue
with the right choice of the reference any car can be fast :)
L220[11:42:12] <JVFoxy> eh.. what was the
other car.. two cycle-two cylinder?
L221[11:43:01] <Althego> trabant?
L222[11:43:09] <Althego> that is
german
L223[11:43:10] <JVFoxy> yes
L224[11:43:12] <JVFoxy> I know
L225[11:43:20] <JVFoxy> couldn't htink of
name.. only on second coffee >_<
L226[11:43:25] <Althego> ah the smell of
that
L227[11:43:28] <Althego> exhaust
L228[11:43:34] <Althego> same for the old
wartburg :)
L229[11:43:46] <Althego> and that typical
sound they made
L230[11:44:07] <JVFoxy> smell huh? A shame
they didn't do a diesel version. Run it on fry oil. :)
L231[11:44:35] <Fluburtur> I have a friend
that wants to buy a t34
L232[11:44:36] <JVFoxy> a little two
cylinder diesel woulda been cute.
L233[11:44:47] <Fluburtur> more economical
to run than a car currently
L234[11:45:31] <JVFoxy> meh.. tanks. they
do tear up roads sometimes
L235[11:45:56] <falalilal> yeah, that's
the issue with tanks... road damage
L236[11:46:19] <Althego> and they consume
a huge amount of fuel
L237[11:46:20] <JVFoxy> remember someone
would give a whole ton of grief over the striker tanks.. 8x8
wheeled things.
L238[11:46:37] <JVFoxy> used to stick up a
lot of youtube videos saying how he thought they were bad
L239[11:46:43] <Fluburtur> they can run on
oil and vodka tho
L240[11:46:59] <JVFoxy> I wanna run a jet
engine on vodka
L241[11:47:05] <JVFoxy> but also on
H2
L242[11:47:39] <Althego> hehe
L243[11:48:07] <JVFoxy> according to
mythbusters, can run a car on H2... though gotta watch the
backfire
L244[11:50:53] <darsie> H2 fuel cell goes
farther.
L245[11:51:16] <JVFoxy> turn to
electricty?
L246[11:51:20] <darsie> mhm
L247[11:51:40] <Althego> yes but a fuel
cell is still not very efficient compared to a battery
L248[11:51:48] <Althego> although it has
higehr energy density
L249[11:51:55] <darsie> define
efficient
L250[11:52:01] <JVFoxy> I was thinking
more that in order to get more power, you need more cells. Its not
like you can turn up the speed on the conversion.
L251[11:52:02] <darsie> ahh
L252[11:52:02] <darsie> ok
L253[11:52:36] <darsie> Yeah, battery has
lower energy losses, but FC has more range.
L254[11:52:49] <JVFoxy> I was about to ask
what fuel kerbals use... 4/6 ratio? Seems RP-1 uses a 3-4 or so..
or something
L255[11:53:14] <Althego> supposedly it is
more like kerosene, so something like rp-1
L256[11:53:34] <Althego> but if we think
of the nuclear, then it should be hydrogen
L257[11:54:18] <JVFoxy> h2-o2 burning is
around 2 to 1
L258[11:54:42] <JVFoxy> eh well in the
sense you basically making water
L259[11:59:19] <JVFoxy> eh.. well this
morning one of two things. record finishing this station contract..
or watch something on youtube..
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L263[12:26:26] <Althego> scott
L264[12:26:43] <Althego> about
simplerockets2
L265[12:29:11] <JVFoxy> was wondering
when...
L266[12:29:38] <JVFoxy> been having
another video from someone else show up in my suggested. titled
something like 'Is Simplerockets 2 killer of KSP?'
L267[12:30:07] <Althego> based on 2 videos
it looks good. quite siilar to ksp too
L268[12:30:23] <Althego> but maybe it is
still missing sometihng
L269[12:31:08] <JVFoxy> I'll look at his
vid later.. already got a few others lined up to go through. One
nearly an hour long
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L271[12:31:31] <Althego> speed control is
your friend
L272[12:34:05] <JVFoxy> what.. like run
videos at 2x speed?
L273[12:34:47] <Althego> yes
L274[12:34:56] <Althego> i watch many
videos where there is only talk
L275[12:34:57] <JVFoxy> nah.. I'm
good.
L276[12:35:01] <Althego> i put them in the
backgroun
L277[12:35:20] <Althego> and at least 1.5
speed is almost always ok
L278[12:35:28] <Althego> 2 is hard to
understand in many cases
L279[12:35:48] <JVFoxy> well.. ok ...
Kurt's Farlands or bust I usually stick in background. Or his F1
2018 multiplayer...
L280[12:36:32] <JVFoxy> this nearly 1 hour
video is travel program... series that didn't quite get fully
showed back when it came out in the early-mid 90s
L281[12:36:58] <JVFoxy> had a video show
up on suggested, it had thumb of what looked to be interesting
camping trailer for bikes.
L282[12:37:58] <JVFoxy> turns out, it was
Portuguese couple in Norway talking, really fast, a lot about the
bike culture out there. I tried CC but was really hard to follow
with how fast they were talk'n
L283[12:39:08] <JVFoxy> at least I noticed
with Japanese, you can follow the text and see whats going on. This
couple... text was constantly rolling by, no time to look at
anything else, how fast it was giong. :(
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L287[13:18:55] <lordcirth> JVFoxy, you
could slow down playback?
L288[13:19:44] <JVFoxy> maybe... CC might
not work on ohter speeds? I not tested
L289[13:21:01] <sandbox> I almost always
watch things at 2x speed with the subtitles on
L290[13:21:12] <sandbox> I'm doing it
right now
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L308[15:46:32] <darsie> will there be
another free demo?
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L310[15:49:50] <UmbralRaptor>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L311[15:50:05] <UmbralRaptor> They've said
soon for a year or 2 now
L312[15:50:21] <UmbralRaptor> I think
there's one on Steam?
L313[15:53:16] <darsie> no?
L314[15:53:33] <darsie> Didn't find it
last time I checked.
L315[15:53:41] <darsie> Found it on some
website.
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L325[16:53:29] <Eddi|zuHause> there's a
demo on steam, but it's a really ancient version
L326[16:57:51] <darsie> I don't think it's
still there.
L327[17:00:29] <sandbox> I think it's
still possible to download even if it's not visible
L328[17:01:06] <darsie> try it
L331[17:02:45] <darsie> sandbox: Did the
download work?
L332[17:04:41] <darsie> Or did it fail
because I have regular KSP installed?
L333[17:05:05] <Eddi|zuHause> they should
be completely separate
L334[17:05:29] <sandbox> I've got the
install to come up
L335[17:06:14] <sandbox> Disk space
required 664 MB
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L337[17:06:43] <darsie> Hmm, for me it
starts steam, but doesn't download or anything.
L338[17:06:59] <sandbox> try again?
L339[17:07:07] <darsie> A 6th time?
L340[17:07:18] <darsie> nothing
happens.
L341[17:09:07] <Eddi|zuHause> on windows
something like steam://install/231410 should work
L342[17:09:47] <darsie> Does it work via
the menu item 'Activate product on steam...'?
L343[17:10:09] <darsie> Asks me to accept
their TOS which includes stuff about billing.
L344[17:10:37] <darsie> Steam Subscriber
Agreement
L345[17:10:53] <Eddi|zuHause> steam asks
you for their TOS any time you buy something
L346[17:11:47] <darsie> 231410 is not a
valid product code.
L347[17:12:03] <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't
think that would work
L348[17:12:23] <Eddi|zuHause> i've no idea
where you could enter an appid in the steam client itself
L349[17:12:39] <sandbox> that's for
keys
L350[17:16:01] <Neal> thats the product id
not activation code
L351[17:16:25] <sandbox>
steam://install/231410 works for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L352[17:17:01] <darsie> thx
L353[17:17:33] <Neal> I should not have
clicked that
L354[17:17:56] <darsie> Why? Do you have
to play it now?
L355[17:18:19] <Neal> it made my hard
drive jump to 100% and now steam is installing.....
something.......
L356[17:18:28] <Neal> but there's nothing
listen in the downloads page
L357[17:18:43] <Neal> just that steam is
now using bandwidth and hard drive activity
L358[17:18:59] <Neal> no confirmation
window in the steam ui or anything...
L359[17:19:36] <Eddi|zuHause> strange, i
would have thought that does the same thing as clicking
"install" on a shop page
L360[17:19:46] <sandbox> Neal, have you
restarted steam recently? there was an update either today or
yesterday
L361[17:20:14] <Neal> I only restart it
when it prompts me to, so no
L362[17:20:46] <Neal> sandbox, what app
was your link to?
L363[17:20:53] <sandbox> ksp demo
L364[17:22:02] <Neal> wow my ksp folder
changed to last modified: nov 9th 3:16PM
L365[17:22:28] <Neal> O_o there wasn't any
prompt for permission or anything, just running that steam link
made it install something
L366[17:22:51] <darsie> look in
steamapps/common or so
L367[17:24:08] <Eddi|zuHause> so... dear
stellaris... why does a wormhole count as "adjacent" for
the influence cost when trying to build an outpost, but not when
making claims in another empire?
L368[17:24:09] <Neal> it added a new zip
called bucket_1619036.zip under
D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space
Program\steam_shader_cache
L369[17:24:40] <Neal> um ok
L370[17:24:49] <Neal> the date modified on
its contents is 2098
L372[17:27:23] <Eddi|zuHause>
congratulations, the file date is 2038 safe :p
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L378[18:08:22] <JVFoxy> Eddi|zuHause
ugh... I saved an image file from the net earlier... went looking
for it. Images sorted by date they were saved. Turns out Adobe had
a meta tag that sorta forces its own idea of 'dates'.
L379[18:09:05] <JVFoxy> thankfully I could
'edit' the date in windows... sat there wondering wonder how to fix
a file on a date that was set a month previous..
L380[18:10:28] <Eddi|zuHause> dunno how
you do that on windows, but usually there is a program called
"touch" which can set the date to anything you want
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L383[18:21:20] <JVFoxy> I found a
program.. changing the creation date on the file didn't do
anything. some reason a meta bit on the file from adobe over rode
it.
L384[18:22:17] <JVFoxy> turns out... I was
able to get into the 'details' part of the file properties in the
file explorer and just click on it directly... comes up with a
calendar sorta setting thing.
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L386[18:31:11] <Azander> Ever check out
Adobe's support for networked drives and their software?
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L388[18:36:45] <JVFoxy> ... can't say I
have..
L389[18:36:57] <JVFoxy> the file itself
came from someone else.
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L403[19:54:46] <knightofkessler> hi
L404[19:54:48] <Mod9000> Hello,
knightofkessler
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L406[19:56:32] <UmbralRaptop>
greeting
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