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L15[02:05:58] <Althego> what does it
do?
L16[02:06:18] <taniwha> finds the optimum
periapsis for circularing a hyperbolic flyboy
L17[02:06:25] <Gasher[work]> looks like an
optimisation ttool
L18[02:06:28] <taniwha> (pretty trivial
math, really)
L19[02:06:46] <taniwha> but it makes that
information available, and shows a little extra
L20[02:06:52] <Althego> that much was
written there
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L22[02:07:12] <taniwha> it's purely
informational
L23[02:07:13] <Althego> but i dont
understand this
L24[02:08:28] <taniwha> cost to turn a
hyperbola into an ellipse decreases with depth in a gravity well,
but cost to circularize from an extreme ellipse increases with
depth
L25[02:08:59] <taniwha> this shows the
balance point
L26[02:09:06] <Althego> ah
L27[02:09:39] <taniwha> ie, where you want
your periapsis for the most efficient circularization
L28[02:10:21] <taniwha> it won't actually
do anything because there may be many other factors influencing
your decisions, but
L29[02:10:36] <taniwha> it might prove
useful anyway
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L31[02:11:26] <taniwha> (eg, do you want to
land? will it cost more to achieve that periapsis?, etc)
L32[02:11:56] <taniwha> (or the big one:
does that periapsis even exist?)
L33[02:18:36] <Gasher[work]> to think of it
i forgot how to land on airless planets in ksp
L34[02:19:12] <Gasher[work]> i mean, the
idea is simple but i forgot which altitude is better to have
L35[02:21:41] <taniwha> it depends
L36[02:22:40] <Gasher[work]> depends on
what? TWR mostly i guess?
L37[02:25:51] <JVFoxy> having orbit off by
a degree from mun really makes it hard to get free return
huh?
L38[02:26:03] <JVFoxy> or maybe just not
awake enough
L39[02:26:24] <Althego> you can still do a
minimal adjustment
L40[02:26:31] <mabus> Gasher[work]:
cheapest way to land on airless planet is to adjust your encounter
so its close as possible without being dangerous
L41[02:26:49] <mabus> then circularize and
decide where to land
L42[02:26:59] <Gasher[work]> mabus, i mean
the landing not reaching it
L43[02:27:10] <mabus> kill horizontal
velocity
L44[02:27:17] <JVFoxy> mid course
correction.. suppose just .. not awake
L45[02:27:18] <Gasher[work]> damn
L46[02:27:22] <mabus> then dont crash
L47[02:27:25] <Gasher[work]> that's
obvious
L48[02:27:42] <Gasher[work]> then do tell
me what altitude is the optimal for that?
L49[02:27:43] <mabus> mechjeb gives you a
suicide burn timer
L50[02:27:46] <JVFoxy> lol.. don't
crash..
L51[02:27:51] <JVFoxy> I land not having to
use shadows
L52[02:27:51] <Gasher[work]>
>mechjeb
L53[02:28:20] <mabus> well the cheapest
fuel savings would be to not slow down more than you need to at
very end
L54[02:28:30] <mabus> but if you start that
burn too late you smash into planet
L55[02:28:37] <mabus> that is why it is
aptly named the suicide burn
L56[02:28:49] <Gasher[work]> that's obvious
again, i'm asking about optimizing that
L57[02:28:55] <JVFoxy> I've got fuel.. I
could probably hop over to another site if I really wanted.
L58[02:29:15] <mabus> ok so
L59[02:29:25] <mabus> the eta that you are
going to hit the ground at your current speed
L60[02:29:46] <mabus> when thats the same
amount of time as how long it would take for your engines to use
that amount of dv
L61[02:29:59] <Gasher[work]> em, that's not
optimizing
L62[02:30:00] <mabus> you got your optimal
time to start thrusting upwards
L63[02:30:13] <Althego> spacex can land
that way :)
L64[02:30:19] <Althego> but not
recommended
L65[02:31:02] <JVFoxy> suicide burn..
pretty risky if you ask me.. just hope engines still work
L66[02:31:04] <mabus> Gasher[work]: that
absolutely is optimizing, maybe you need to rephrase your
question
L67[02:31:11] <Gasher[work]> altitude
L68[02:31:25] <mabus> maybe with like, more
words in it
L69[02:31:43] <Gasher[work]> hm
L70[02:31:56] <mabus> optimal altitude to
be orbiting before you start killing horizontal velocity is as low
as is safe (higher than highest point on your inclination)
L71[02:31:59] <Althego> hehe
L72[02:32:20] <Gasher[work]> "as is
safe" sounds vague
L73[02:32:29] <JVFoxy> could just cut the
whole orbiting thing out and go for direct landing
L74[02:32:35] <mabus> (higher than highest
point on your inclination)
L75[02:32:45] <Althego> it doesnt need to
be safe if you stop before you would hit something
L76[02:32:52] <mabus> eg not lower than the
height of a mountain you might run into
L77[02:33:14] <Gasher[work]> ah
L78[02:33:21] <Gasher[work]> so lowest
possible one
L79[02:33:41] <mabus> Althego: but then you
a much bigger and harder suicide burn
L80[02:33:51] <Althego> i usually make the
orbit almost touch the surface around where i want to land
L81[02:34:04] <Gasher[work]> now that makes
sense
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L83[02:34:45] <Althego> depends on twr, for
lower twr i need to move that point before the landing target
L84[02:34:46] <mabus> the lower you fall
from the less time you have to spend fighting gravity
L85[02:35:26] <Gasher[work]> we are talking
about circular or mostly-circular orbit i guess?
L86[02:35:36] <JVFoxy> fortunately mun
gravity 1/6th full gee.. so not exactly hard to work around
L87[02:35:59] <Gasher[work]> because if
it's not then the velocity to kill could be higher
L88[02:36:21] <mabus> circular orbit is
nice but its probably more expensive to correct than deal with if
you are trying to land. its going to be easier to get off if you
land near the equator
L89[02:36:38] <Gasher[work]> right
L90[02:37:17] <JVFoxy> unfortunately not
all targets are at the equator
L91[02:37:22] <Althego> how does duna have
a sea level?
L92[02:37:31] <Althego> especially that
everything on duna is above it
L93[02:37:49] <Althego> it would make sense
if the lowest point was sea level
L94[02:37:59] <Althego> bit it is
completely fictional
L95[02:38:00] <mabus> underground
water
L96[02:38:00] <Gasher[work]> Althego, by
convention lol
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L98[02:38:35] <JVFoxy> where you seeing
something talking about Duna sea-level?
L99[02:38:40] <Althego> but why would
anybody choose it at random
L100[02:38:47] <Althego> at least chose
some special point
L101[02:39:01] <Althego> a remarkaable
point
L102[02:39:04] <Althego> something highly
visible
L103[02:39:09] <Althego> or special in
some way
L104[02:39:15] <Althego> like the lowest
point
L105[02:39:28] <Althego> but putting it
well below ground, nobody would do that
L106[02:39:43] <Althego> i lost one of the
tiny legs of the keyboard, it broke
L107[02:39:59] <mabus> is that the case
for other planets in kerbal system Althego
L108[02:40:02] <mabus> that dont have
oceans
L109[02:40:14] <Althego> robably
L110[02:40:20] <JVFoxy> I guess its kind
of like 'where do you put the 0 longitude on another planet'?
L111[02:40:22] <Althego> because water
automatically appears at 0
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L113[02:41:06] <mabus> JVFoxy: our first
landing spot duh
L114[02:41:08] <Althego> 0 longitude is
also special, you can put it anywhere, but usually some surface
feature is chosen
L115[02:42:28] <JVFoxy> kind of curious to
know where you see mention of sea level for duna
L116[02:43:13] <Gasher[work]> it does not
need to be mentioned to spark one's interest
L117[02:44:25] <mabus> JVFoxy: the
altimeter gives an altitude relative to a 0
L118[02:44:40] <JVFoxy> surface features
could hint at an ancient water body.. theoretical sea level
L119[02:44:45] <mabus> i think only in
mechjeb or other mods might it refer to a 'sea' level
L120[02:45:56] <JVFoxy> we use mean sea
level here on Earth... average height of high and low tide over the
course of a year.
L121[02:46:01] <Althego> yes but a
theoretical water body would be higher than the lowest land part,
not lower
L122[02:46:16] <Gasher[work]> underground
sea indeed
L123[02:46:46] <JVFoxy> .. something
saying sea level way below ground then?>
L124[02:46:49] <Althego> the sun beneath
the sea
L125[02:46:52] <Gasher[work]> well maybe
you can say that sea level will be zero height on a runway for
aircraft to set barometer altimeters on
L126[02:47:30] <JVFoxy> personally doesn't
matter to me.. uses a reference point..
L127[02:47:52] <Althego> the lowest
elevation on duna is several hundred meters
L128[02:48:09] <Althego> uses a reference
point under ground, completely strange
L129[02:48:22] <Althego> if it used the
center of the planet, that would make some sense
L130[02:49:14] <JVFoxy> maybe its based on
an average geological layer found through surface penetrating
radar?
L131[02:49:27] <Althego> permafrost
maybe
L132[02:49:33] <Althego> who knows
L133[02:50:32] <JVFoxy> in reality, unless
you have a GPS network setup... altitude is meaningless unless you
can read directly from surface or have a good understanding about
the pressure on the planet.
L134[02:51:00] <Althego> even with
gps
L135[02:51:08] <Althego> it uses a
reference model
L136[02:51:15] <Althego> which is just
something we came up with
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L138[02:53:06] <JVFoxy> who's to say,
someone might want to base altitude on average surface height, vs
someone who wants to do altitude based on lowest point or a
sub-surface layer?
L139[02:55:11] <JVFoxy> soon as you enter
another planet's SOI, ksp knows exact altitude the instant you
enter. I only know in real world, inertia guidance, radio
tracking.. a number of things get involved when trying to figure
how high you are..
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L141[03:17:14] <JVFoxy> uf sorry..
anyways
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L164[07:33:37] <falalilal> i'm in orbit
around duna, i've got 2600 dv and ~175 days of snacks, i'm at the
opening of a transfer window
L165[07:33:52] <falalilal> is it possible
to make it back without starvation? XD
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L167[07:39:29] <darsie> Plan a maneuver
and make another maneuver at the destination.
L168[07:40:26] <darsie> But I guess
not.
L169[07:41:00] <darsie> Hohmann transfer
takes 1/2 solar orbit, which is about 300 days, IIRC
L170[07:41:07] <falalilal> 240
L171[07:41:23] <darsie> But with 2600 m/s
it might work.
L172[07:41:53] <darsie> Hohmann is about
1000 m/s.
L173[07:42:08] <darsie> Prepare for high
speed entry.
L174[07:42:22] <falalilal> the problem is
that throwing delta-v at it would work easily on leaving kerbin
when you can leave later without needing snacks
L175[07:42:42] <falalilal> but from this
position, I'm not sure how I can use delta-v to get there
earlier
L176[07:42:52] <falalilal> faster
L177[07:43:00] <falalilal> you know what i
mean?
L178[07:43:52] <darsie> With more dv you
have to leave Duna later.
L179[07:43:58] <falalilal> yeah, and still
starve XD
L180[07:44:15] <darsie> Is it possible to
make snacks?
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L182[07:44:44] <falalilal> nah I've just
got the one ship with all the snacks and a small science
lander
L183[07:44:44] <darsie> IIRC there are
greenhouses.
L184[07:45:11] <falalilal> maybe the
recycler will keep me kerbies alive
L185[07:45:31] <darsie> One Kerbal could
eat the others.
L186[07:46:14] <darsie> Or you discard
Kerbals so one has more food.
L187[07:51:26] <Mat2ch> orrrr send a
supply ship
L188[07:51:31] <falalilal> ah, if I leave
60 days later, I can get there in 190 days using about 2000
ms
L189[07:51:37] <falalilal> a supply ship
would not arrive in time XD
L190[07:51:40] <Mat2ch> something with
high dV. 20k and up
L191[07:53:22] <Mat2ch> how heavy is a
snack container?
L192[07:54:50] <darsie> falalilal: How
many Kerbals do you have?
L193[07:55:11] <falalilal> two
L194[07:55:24] <darsie> remove one
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L196[07:56:17] <Mat2ch> again, how heavy
is a snack container?
L197[07:57:39] <Mat2ch> and how much do
you need?
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L199[07:57:48] <Mat2ch> I want to test a
few things
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L201[07:58:01] <falalilal> i'm not going
to send a supply ship, i'm heading into solar orbit just within
duna's orbit and parking until I can burn radial-in to shorten the
time - i'll take the risk
L202[07:58:28] <darsie> Are there
uncertainties?
L203[07:58:51] <falalilal> yeah the snack
usage varies
L204[07:58:52] <FtForger> I looked in teh
forums and didn't find anything on this, but before I open a new
thread, I thought I would ask here. I'm running KSP 1.5.1 with a
lot of mods. Yesterday I upgraded KIS to the latest, and now trying
to use 4 way symmetry, doesn't seem to work when attaching fuel
tanks...it does work with SRBs. Anyone else see this or anything
similar
L205[07:58:52] <FtForger> ?
L206[07:59:26] <falalilal> did you
accidentally set it to mirror or some such?
L207[07:59:40] <FtForger> no, 4 way is
set.
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L210[08:00:14] <FtForger> I only get 1
tank no matter what I try
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L212[08:01:11] <falalilal> pfff, 170 days
and I'll have 300 ms for re-entry slowdown
L213[08:01:32] <FtForger> and if I did
have the wrong mode set, why would SRBs work but not tanks?
L214[08:01:35] <Mat2ch> you don't have to
send a supply ship, but I want to know if it would be possible
;P
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L216[08:01:56] <falalilal> i dont know the
weight of the snacks
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L218[08:05:52] <falalilal> FtForger: i
dunno
L219[08:08:21] <FtForger> Guess I'll open
a thread. Thanks anyway!
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L221[08:10:03] <Mat2ch> oh, you can
recycle soil into snacks
L222[08:11:35] <Mat2ch> I like to recycle
that :D
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L229[08:48:56] <GlsFrg|phone> this 3d
printer is amazing
L230[08:50:05] <Althego> look at my hrse,
my horse is amazing
L231[08:50:42] <GlsFrg|phone> I didn't
have time to assemble it yet but it already lead to me exchanging
contacts with a girl
L232[08:51:07] <Althego> lol
L233[08:52:22] <Mat2ch> Althego: now
that's something I havn't heard in a long time
L234[08:53:09] <Althego> we are anonymous,
we do not forget
L235[08:53:17] <Mat2ch> hrm, I fear the
video is inappropriate
L236[08:54:17] <Mat2ch> well, the
inappropriate part is pixelated, still...
L237[08:55:21] <GlsFrg|phone> I looked it
up and accidentally typed 'look at my hearse'
L238[08:55:58] <GlsFrg|phone> I guess
that's what happens when you try too hard to impress people
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L241[08:58:18] <kmath> YouTube - KSP v1.5:
Single stage, nonstop trip to Eve and back: World first stock,
unrefueled SSTK from Eve.
L242[09:04:15] <Mat2ch> technically it
refuels itself and takes 40 years or so to do so :D
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L245[09:05:00] <Mat2ch> but I can't even
get back up from Eve and this person just flies like it's
nothing
L246[09:05:08] <Althego> hehe
L247[09:05:20] <Althego> all missions from
eve to orbit is like several weeks of design
L248[09:05:30] <Althego> at least it takes
me that much time
L249[09:05:34] <Althego> playing only in
the evening
L250[09:05:54] <Althego> i never did an
ssto from eve
L251[09:12:28] <Mat2ch> well, I think I
made one craft that could do it
L252[09:12:37] <Mat2ch> but I tried it
with the mk3 command pod... too heavy
L253[09:12:46] <Mat2ch> maybe now possible
with the vector engines
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L256[09:38:09] <darsie> The Dart/aerospike
makes a nice SSTO from Kerbin.
L257[09:38:33] <Althego> i think the
capsule is lighter now
L258[09:39:02] <darsie> 840 kg
L259[09:39:26] <Althego> the mk3
L260[09:41:43] <darsie> ah
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L266[10:56:57] <darsie> Can I cheat stuff
somewhere on the surface?
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L268[11:05:43] <Althego> i just modify the
save file for that
L269[11:06:04] <Althego> bit tricky have
to modify several lines
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L297[12:43:41] <kmath> YouTube - NASAJPL
Live
L298[12:43:50] <Althego> some t alk about
insight
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L313[13:15:51] <JVFoxy> so... someone
mentioned 1.6 due out soon?
L314[13:15:59] <Althego> hehe
L315[13:16:02] <Althego> i mentioned
it
L316[13:16:08] <Althego> because they
tweeted it
L317[13:16:11] <Althego> that they are
working on it
L318[13:16:16] <Althego> that doesnt mean
it is soon
L319[13:16:28] <Althego> but based on the
content, another minor graphical update, so probably pretty
soon
L320[13:16:29] <JVFoxy> ok..
L321[13:16:43] <Althego> as in a few
months
L322[13:17:19] <JVFoxy> just started to
wonder... if a game, not naming ksp specifically, was past beta,
yet still got updates that changed the game a little bit each
time.. would people find that annoying?
L323[13:17:43] <Althego> no, thaose
updates are needed to keep people interested
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L327[13:18:20] <JVFoxy> just pray they
don't break game saves...
L328[13:18:45] <JVFoxy> seem to recall a
few... parts were changed, invalidated
L329[13:19:03] <Althego> now?
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L331[13:19:08] <Althego> in this
onw?
L332[13:19:16] <Althego> ok i just had
some craft files
L333[13:19:24] <Althego> but they
seemlessly changed textrure and that was it
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L336[13:20:41] <kmath> YouTube - Dropping
Pumpkins from HeavyLift Drone
L337[13:21:12] <Althego> stream is around
over
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L342[13:25:31] <JVFoxy> sorry,
messages...
L343[13:25:34] <JVFoxy> not recently, but
in the past
L344[13:27:01] <JVFoxy> some parts were
removed, or changed quite a bit. I noticed the 3 person command pod
was 'updated', old part still in game if you pull up a past craft
file. Just doesn't show up in parts list, makes you use new lighter
weight model
L345[13:27:21] <Althego> not now
L346[13:27:24] <Althego> it was for
1.4
L347[13:28:04] <Althego> at least some
parts were kept in the game in 1.4
L348[13:28:10] <Althego> i remember the
decouplers as such
L349[13:28:19] <Althego> but was mentioned
that they are going to be removed in a later version
L350[13:28:30] <Althego> so maybe the
capsule was one of these retained part
L351[13:28:32] <Althego> s
L352[13:28:40] <Althego> and now they
completely removed it
L353[13:29:49] <JVFoxy> removing
decouplers huh?
L354[13:29:55] <Althego> the old
ones
L355[13:30:05] <Althego> i liked the black
yellow striped one
L356[13:30:13] <Althego> i could always
hide parts inside it
L357[13:30:27] <Althego> poor man's
service module
L358[13:30:34] <JVFoxy> I thought it weird
they didn't just retrain all the parts
L359[13:31:02] <JVFoxy> that one landing
leg.. hinged at the bottom, flips out. Quite a few people found
them good for grabbing things, flipping stuff over..
L360[13:31:25] <JVFoxy> ok.. granted, the
grabber became a thing. But, still, having a way to flip stuff over
would have sitll been useful
L361[13:31:42] <Althego> they did retain
all the parts
L362[13:31:45] <JVFoxy> Remember someone
did a 'legacy parts pack'...
L363[13:31:51] <Althego> they were
replaced by functionally identical parts
L364[13:32:21] <Althego> and now i have
hard time grabbing stuff because the new decouplers are so thin
that it is easy to miss them
L365[13:37:30] <JVFoxy> oh
L366[13:37:49] <JVFoxy> trouble with
trying to set a 'one part fits all sizes' thing..
L367[13:38:11] <JVFoxy> I wouldn't mind
thicker decouplers too... would hide engine bells that don't match
size of tanks
L368[13:39:37] <JVFoxy> I would sometimes
take a small fuel tank, not the tiny sized, but next up. Stick a
spark on it.. which is tiny. How do you stack it? looks weird with
tank sized decoupler and smaller one, things wobble too much
L369[13:40:31] <JVFoxy> I could shove
engine up into fuel tank, slide decoupler up to cover things a
little. Go too far, when staging, upper section janks hard, twists
a bit
L371[13:41:59] <kmath> YouTube - InSight
Landing on Mars
L372[13:42:06] <Althego> worked on the
mers and curiosity too
L373[13:42:22] <Althego> just got a lot
older and lighter hair in the mean time
L374[13:45:22] <Althego> fun to look up
the old 6 minutes of terror (for the two MERs, not the 7 minutes
which was for curiosity), where he is a lot younger
L376[13:45:47] <kmath> YouTube - "Six
Minutes of Terror"
L377[13:46:29] <Althego> ok let's make it
complete
L379[13:46:30] <kmath> YouTube - 7 Minutes
of Terror: Curiosity Rover's Risky Mars Landing | Video
L380[13:46:34] <Althego> some other people
got older too :)
L382[13:52:39] <Althego> during insight
edl?
L383[13:52:50] <Althego> or for the zombie
apocalypse
L384[13:53:04] <Fluburtur> for when I want
to get murdered by my entire town
L385[13:53:16] <Althego> lol
L386[13:53:37] <Fluburtur> for real I want
to learn trumpet
L387[13:53:39] <Fluburtur> to doot
doot
L388[13:53:42] <JVFoxy> six minutes..
seven minutes... no 8 minutes?
L389[13:54:25] <Althego> hehe
L390[13:54:50] <Althego> they changed the
naming scheme, as ms does all the time :)
L391[13:55:21] <Raptop> Well, Mars' orbit
is eccentric…
L392[13:55:22] *
JVFoxy goes to look up time delay between earth and mars on
google.. gets as far as entering 'time delay be' and google already
guesses it
L393[13:55:37] <Althego> hehe
L394[13:56:21] <JVFoxy> between 4 and 24
minutes... depending on positions of planets
L395[13:56:45] <JVFoxy> guessing having
sun in between can cause a blackout?
L396[13:56:50] <Althego> it does
L397[13:57:02] <JVFoxy> probably not a
very long one...
L398[13:57:08] <Althego> a few days
L399[13:57:21] <Althego> a week or
so
L400[13:57:23] <Althego> i cant
remember
L401[13:58:30] <APlayer> "Mars, I
know you're there! Stop hiding behind Sun!"
L402[13:58:55] <JVFoxy> speaking of radio
blackouts...
L403[13:59:17] <JVFoxy> possible to place
a relay trailing/leading the mun around kerbin?
L404[13:59:46] <Althego> yes, but you dont
have lagrange points
L405[13:59:50] <JVFoxy> maybe something
like the L points though I suspect KSP using SOI system, those L
points not exactly there
L406[13:59:53] <APlayer> IRL, lagrange
points would be what you're looking for
L407[14:00:09] <Althego> instead you can
have orbits with the same periods
L408[14:00:09] <APlayer> In KSP, those do
not exist, yes
L409[14:00:31] <Althego> byou can get
there by intentionally missing the mun
L410[14:00:37] <JVFoxy> ya but then that
leaves, how high up from mun is SOI?
L411[14:00:46] <APlayer> Same period
orbits would work, but they are hard to fine tune. You may have to
correct for drift every few years
L412[14:00:58] <Althego> i just use old
mun contract satellites are relays
L413[14:01:57] <JVFoxy> I've got a relay
at about 2200km polar orbit on kerbin... I'd go higher but already
used up half the fuel in it
L414[14:02:16] <APlayer> Two satellites in
high polar orbits 90° apart provide you with 100% link time from
Kerbin to Mun orbit
L415[14:02:25] <APlayer> Can work with
that
L416[14:02:54] <APlayer> No drift issues
either
L417[14:04:24] <JVFoxy> mostly was trying
to reduce the radio dead zone behind the mun, not eliminate
it.
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L419[14:05:32] <JVFoxy> if I setup my
retro burn, pre-position the lander before lose of signal, I can
still use full burn to establish an orbit
L420[14:06:12] <Althego> yes, if your
settings allow that
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L422[14:09:38] <JVFoxy> I'm aware of the
LOS means total no control
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L424[14:09:56] <JVFoxy> I don't go that
route because I believe things can be preprogrammed, timers.. so
on
L425[14:10:15] <Althego> also means line
of sight :)
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L427[14:10:28] <Althego> so exactly
opposite of loss of signal
L428[14:10:40] <Althego> they managed to
find a really bad tla
L429[14:13:27] <JVFoxy> Ya.. more familiar
with Line of Site from table top stuff. Battletech MUX before it
died off
L430[14:14:19] <JVFoxy> low radio
frequencies don't follow the LOS strictly.. while higher
frequencies do, though also suffer from more losses.
L431[14:14:20] <Althego> actually radio
transmission term
L432[14:14:28] <Althego> or at least used
there too
L433[14:14:33] <Althego> line of sight
propagation
L434[14:14:38] <Althego> etc
L435[14:14:53] <Althego> so that is why i
find it confusing when they use it as loss of signal
L436[14:14:59] <JVFoxy> in the case of
ultra low frequncies.. LOS can go either way :)
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L439[14:44:10] <OrlandoFC> Hey folks, been
trying for a few days now to create an account on the Wiki with no
luck. Seems like there's a bug or something, as I've filled in the
form, hit 'Create,' and nothing happens. No error message, no email
confirmation, and certainly no account to log in to the wiki.
L440[14:44:42] <OrlandoFC> I'm new to KSP,
but I'm a professional Technical Writer at my day job. I was hoping
to put some work in contributing to the wiki, but alas I'm
blocked.
L441[14:46:43] <Althego> the wiki needs
some work indeed. there is some guy here that can do something
about the wiki issues, i just dont remember who it was. maybe
deddly? seems not here at the moment
L442[14:47:16] <darsie> OrlandoFC: Try
without plugins.
L443[14:47:35] <darsie> Or disabled
plugins.
L444[14:47:45] <OrlandoFC> I am happy to
contribute, but I can't seem to create an account. In the forms it
listed "UmbralRaptor" as someone that's an admin
L445[14:48:57] <OrlandoFC> Also, the
security question doesn't have a hint and is ambiguous enough to
cause problems for new people... even saw someone list it in the
questions section.
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L447[14:51:38] <OrlandoFC> Gosh darnit, is
it looking for "Monkey" or "A monkey" or
what??
L448[14:53:38] <hoglahoo> exactly the kind
of question a confused AI would ask a group of humans
L449[14:53:51] <Althego> hehe
L450[14:53:53] <OrlandoFC> Ha...
L451[14:54:30] <OrlandoFC> I work for a
software company, and security questions like those are only good
for blocking people from signing up...
L452[14:55:12] <OrlandoFC> I'm highly
motivated, but I can't imagine many people would want to go through
the trouble I've gone through to create a MediaWiki account to
contribute.
L453[14:55:17] <Althego> hehe any security
is ultimately hindering usage of the function. as the joke goes you
can increase security to the point where the thing becomes
unusable
L454[14:55:42] <JVFoxy> or.. security
through obscurity...
L455[14:55:47] <OrlandoFC> It's a words
problem not a security problem though. Rephrase the question and
it's not a problem.
L456[14:55:48] <Althego> and probably they
dont
L457[14:55:50] <BPlayer> Reverse captcha:
You have 5 seconds to compute the fourth-order root of 47259 and
enter it, accurate to the fifth decimal
L458[14:55:58] <Althego> hehe
L459[14:56:17] <Althego> i cant even type
it in a calculator that fast
L460[14:56:37] <BPlayer> A script could
solve it quickly, though :P
L461[14:56:55] <OrlandoFC> I'm just a dude
on his lunch break trying to play a video game to fill the void.
Don't really have time to fiddle with broken stuff
L462[14:57:07] <Althego> you dont have
to
L463[14:57:10] <Althego> just enjoy the
game
L464[14:57:21] <Althego> we can still help
you with the game if there is some problem
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L466[14:57:30] <Althego> i mean with game
progress
L467[14:57:33] <Althego> hi deddly
L468[14:57:46] <BPlayer> OrlandoFC: Great
thank you for volunteering your time, we'll certainly relay it to
UmbralRaptor and whoever else may be involved
L469[14:57:52] <Althego> do you have some
kind of wiki admin privilege or something?
L470[14:57:53] <OrlandoFC> This is how I
enjoy the game though. I got into it to find some way to make
thinking about space part of my life...
L471[14:57:59] <BPlayer> Meanwhile, feel
free to forget about the issue and just enjoy KSP :D
L472[14:58:30] <Althego> or yes it might
have been rap tor
L473[14:58:35] <Deddly> Hey there
L474[14:58:38] <OrlandoFC> I've been
devoting all my spare free time to KSP for the past week. I enjoy
it very much. What I don't enjoy is depending on long-winded
Youtube videos to find answers to simple questions.
L475[14:58:41] <BPlayer> o/
L476[14:58:46] <OrlandoFC> And I like
paying it forward in the form of documentation
L477[14:59:07] <BPlayer> OrlandoFC: Feel
free to ask questions here
L478[15:00:21] <Raptop> OrlandoFC:
unfortunately, it's probably that EULA silliness Take2 put in. Try
going to the wiki with adblockers turned off?
L479[15:00:29] <OrlandoFC> I shall. Just
understand that it pains me to have this resource being
underutilized. And I tend to only have time to play for an hour or
two here and there. This is what I do for a living and I'd like to
contribute. I've got to run, lunch break is over.
L480[15:00:55] <OrlandoFC> Raptop I did
actually, and got a bit further. I'm out of time for now
though.
L481[15:01:15] <Deddly> Maybe this is good
feedback to send to Squad
L482[15:01:23] <OrlandoFC> How would I do
that?
L483[15:01:25] <Deddly> I'll pass it on to
Badie
L484[15:02:01] <Raptop> Uh, there should
be a tech support email.
L485[15:02:10] <BPlayer> OrlandoFC:
Documentation is a thing KSP is not good with. I once tried to get
into KSP modding, but I was totally put off by the fact that there
is literally zero documentation on the KSP API (none whatsoever).
People reverse engineer the executable to make mods, IIRC
L486[15:02:45] <Deddly> It's great to have
people like you around, OrlandoFC, hope to see you regularly
:)
L487[15:02:54] <OrlandoFC> I also can do
developer documentation... I help with my company's API doc too
=)
L488[15:03:43] <BPlayer> If you could do
that, you might get in touch with mod developers that somehow mined
this information previously. You'd do a great service to each and
every modder this way.
L489[15:04:46] <Raptop>
support@kerbalspaceprogram.com
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L508[17:13:23] <Eddi|zuHause> gah... i
wanted to start an old game in wine that i know used to work, and
is listed as platinum on winehq... but it just does
nothing...
L509[17:13:29] <Eddi|zuHause> no window,
no error, nothing
L510[17:14:15] <Eddi|zuHause> well, it
complains about missing cd, if i don't load the iso with
cdemu
L511[17:17:14] <JVFoxy> Fluburtur ah ya...
the bike rider chase through the mall.. that actually happaned up
the road from me.
L512[17:17:17] <JVFoxy> didn't get him I
don't think
L513[17:17:56] <JVFoxy> that gif was
actually security camera shot from outside the walmart up
here
L514[17:18:42] <JVFoxy> oh correction...
they caught him.. fined 13k
L515[17:22:45] <JVFoxy> times I wished an
airlock part came standard in stock...
L516[17:53:18] <Fluburtur> oh btw my
grandma needs a new phone so I could use some suggestions
L517[17:53:35] <Fluburtur> smartphone that
isn't expensive and has a good microphone because I legit can't
hear her when she calls
L518[17:56:47] <BPlayer> Why not get a
phone with a regular microphone and ampLIFICATION GEAR?
L519[17:56:56] <BPlayer> :P
L520[17:57:09] <Fluburtur> I have a
polaroid phone she can use
L521[17:57:18] <Fluburtur> but some wiko
phone would do the job just fine
L522[17:59:26] <Eddi|zuHause> hm, is there
an option i can pass to xrandr to not scale a 4:3 resolution to
widescreen?
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L531[18:45:24] <Fluburtur> well I just
ordered a trumpet
L532[18:45:35] <Fluburtur> I shouln't be
allowed to have a credit card
L533[18:46:20] <Eddi|zuHause> i hope it's
an actual one, not one of those toy ones you showed earlier
:p
L534[18:46:31] <Fluburtur> yeah it
is
L536[18:47:52] <Eddi|zuHause> if you've
never played before, you don't need a high-end one :p
L537[18:47:55] <BPlayer> Everyone hide
from the universal danger that used to be a trumpet!
L539[18:48:44] <Eddi|zuHause> do you get a
tone out of that?
L540[18:48:49] <Fluburtur> yeah
L541[18:49:16] <Eddi|zuHause> then it's
probably fine :p
L542[18:49:17] <Fluburtur> I could grab
some garden hose tube and sticj that in
L543[18:49:23] <Fluburtur> and doot
doot
L544[18:49:44] <Eddi|zuHause> really, you
don't need the trumpet to make tones, it's just an amplifier
L545[18:50:01] <Fluburtur> well, you do
need the pistons for some of the notes
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L548[18:50:16] <Fluburtur> because the
tube has some resonant frequencies and you can't be between
them
L549[18:50:24] <Eddi|zuHause> yes
L550[18:50:39] <Eddi|zuHause> you need to
choose which frequencies to amplify
L551[18:50:48] <Eddi|zuHause> but the tone
still comes from just your mouth
L552[18:50:54] <Fluburtur> true
L553[18:51:14] <Fluburtur> might try to
slap various "experimental" mouthpieces on that
L554[18:51:30] <Fluburtur> like the pvc
and cardboard one I made for the instrument I call "dying
duck"
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L556[18:51:55] <Eddi|zuHause> (this is
true for all "brass" instruments, as opposed to
"wood" instruments like clarinet/saxophone/...)
L557[18:52:06] <Fluburtur> yeah
L558[18:52:21] <Fluburtur> I only have one
problme, my lips are dry all the time
L559[18:52:25] <Eddi|zuHause> not all
"wood" instruments are made from actual wood
L560[18:52:27] <Fluburtur> but I have
something for that somewhere
L561[18:52:35] <Fluburtur> nah, I know the
sax is technically a wood
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L563[18:52:43] <Fluburtur> and I torture a
friend with that all the time
L564[18:52:45] <Eddi|zuHause> it's really
the place where the tone gets created that's the difference
L565[18:53:06] <Fluburtur> but what if you
slap a brass mouthpiece on a sax
L566[18:53:34] <Eddi|zuHause> you can
probably do that...
L567[18:53:43] <Fluburtur> I guess it
wouldn't work that well since you have to press on it a bit to make
the sound
L568[18:53:50] <Eddi|zuHause> it won't
really sound like a saxophone anymore
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L570[18:53:57] <Fluburtur> and a trumpet
you can just ram into your face, a bit harder with a sax
L571[18:54:50] <Eddi|zuHause> the way the
"choose the frequencies to amplify" works might not work
out very well with a saxophone
L572[18:55:07] <Fluburtur> it is still a
tube of which you vary the lenght
L573[18:55:21] <Fluburtur> but with holes
to shorten it instead of adding lenght with valves
L574[18:55:43] <Eddi|zuHause> there's a
bit of "reflection on open end" or "reflection on
closed end" difference
L575[18:55:53] <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't
know the exact details on that
L576[18:56:23] <Fluburtur> well most winds
work in a similar manner
L577[18:56:41] <Fluburtur> I made myself a
flute with a wood style mouthpiece
L578[18:56:51] <Fluburtur> and sounds
horrible
L579[18:57:55] <Eddi|zuHause> the
difference with open and closed end is which of the 1/n-factor
"natural" frequencies get amplified, with one it's all,
and with the other only the odd ones
L580[18:59:02] <Eddi|zuHause> the 1/n
factor is on the wavelengths, not the frequencys.
L581[18:59:27] <Eddi|zuHause> it would be
factor n for frequencies
L582[18:59:30] <Fluburtur> kinda like
radio antennas
L583[19:00:00] <Eddi|zuHause> it's
sometimes called the "overtone"
L584[19:00:22] <Eddi|zuHause>
"overtone series" is closely related to the maths term of
the "harmonic series"
L585[19:00:40] <Eddi|zuHause> (which is
the sum of all 1/n)
L586[19:00:56] <Fluburtur> I kinda know
the natural harmonics of a guitar
L587[19:01:24] <Fluburtur> the one you get
at half of the string is lower than the natural loest frequency of
the string
L588[19:01:42] <Fluburtur> anyways, is
time to sleep for me now
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L594[19:29:37] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: The best solution for an ant infestation is
strategic yield nuclear explosives.
L596[19:32:18] <darsie> What species are
most likely to survive nuclear war?
L597[19:32:36] <BPlayer> Tardigrades
L598[19:32:54] <BPlayer> Tardigrades will
survive everything :P
L599[19:33:16] <darsie> Heat death of the
universe.
L600[19:33:26] <Scolar_Visari> darsie:
Humanity, given it doesn't have enough nuclear explosives to
actually come close to annihilating itself.
L601[19:33:27] <BPlayer> They will
survive
L602[19:34:23] *
BPlayer is off for the day, though
L603[19:34:26] <BPlayer> See you
guys!
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L605[19:34:50] <Scolar_Visari> We still
have APlayer.
L606[19:35:07] <BPlayer> APlayer is but a
shadow of my existence
L607[19:35:09] <BPlayer> :P
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L609[19:35:25] <BPlayer> There
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L611[19:35:36] <BPlayer> Ooops
L612[19:35:42] <Scolar_Visari> It's
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L613[19:35:51] *
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L614[19:36:18] <BPlayer> Anyway. Good
night :D
L615[19:36:44] <Scolar_Visari> In the name
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L626[20:18:58] <Eddi|zuHause> i have some
doubts that balloons work that way
L627[20:20:14] <Eddi|zuHause> (also,
plants would probably go horizontally towards the light because
they can't distinguish up and down that well)
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L634[21:05:16] <Eddi|zuHause> uhm... i
think all my playing around with xrandr screwed up some kde scaling
factor... now every kde program i start has HUUUGE text
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