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L25[05:58:33] <GlassYuri> is there no preview of stranded crew orbits before you accept the contract?
L26[06:07:09] <mabus> i dont think so, just whether its 'high above' or 'just over'
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L38[08:20:15] <UmbralRaptop> Feature request: list the kerbin-centric keplerian elements of the stranded kerbals in the contract.
L39[08:20:39] <UmbralRaptop> At least a, e, and i.
L40[08:30:31] <Althego> congratulations, you sent this to /dev/null
L41[08:33:14] <UmbralRaptop> Meh, this way I get to voice it without the disappointment of filing bug reports that were ignored for several years.
L42[08:33:16] <Althego> also stranded kerbals an be anywhere, not only around kerbin
L43[08:33:43] <Althego> so you want to see these in the contract text?
L44[08:34:04] <Althego> that could be useful, because i had to switch to tracking station and check these if they are viable
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L46[08:34:33] <Althego> there is not even a linking, meaning i click a button and it shows me in tracking with the orbit highlighhtes
L47[08:34:36] <Althego> d
L48[08:34:46] <qzgy> cause dres doesnt exist
L49[08:34:54] <Althego> it doesnt
L50[08:35:01] <UmbralRaptop> Yeah.
L51[08:35:15] <Althego> that is a general problem for all contracts
L52[08:35:25] <Althego> for example the measure something somewhere
L53[08:35:30] <Althego> there are like 5
L54[08:35:39] <Althego> cant see easily which one is which
L55[08:38:03] <UmbralRaptop> (to both)
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L63[09:39:55] <GlassYuri> "Rescue Army from orbit of Kerbin" sure, let me just grab my space C-17
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L82[12:08:02] <Fluburtur> "One of the reasons I feel so comfortable using Tumblr over other social media is because this site is clearly too incompetent to be evil."
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L84[12:24:25] <Fluburtur> I need to put order in my room, I already broke my left knee twice in the last one hour
L85[12:25:38] <BPlayer> Did you enable part symmetry, though? Else you need to break your right knee twice too, separately
L86[12:25:48] <Fluburtur> no
L87[12:32:20] <Fluburtur> https://66.media.tumblr.com/ffc671f328fb2e7cbbb15ccf3a23478f/tumblr_pe1z53OJIo1uk3tkw_540.jpg
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L92[12:59:45] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: order is for the weak!
L93[13:01:07] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/T6FHJmBa_jQ
L94[13:01:07] <kmath> YouTube - Swiss Tankbuchse 41 Semiauto Antitank Rifle
L95[13:01:10] <Fluburtur> this is a rifle
L96[13:15:19] <JVFoxy> how about some wheels for your rifle? https://i1.wp.com/www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Screen-Shot-2018-10-01-at-2.15.57-PM.png?fit=743%2C528&ssl=1
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L104[14:36:11] <Fluburtur> wat https://youtu.be/G2g2TZBoo0U?t=32
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L106[14:36:11] <darsie> This stack separator (or also a decoupler) causes undue drag: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot14.png
L107[14:39:05] <JVFoxy> K?
L108[14:39:34] <darsie> K?
L109[14:40:16] <JVFoxy> as compared to what?
L110[14:40:20] <darsie> Without it.
L111[14:40:36] <JVFoxy> just see pic with it... 25km DV..?
L112[14:41:32] <darsie> Top speed is about 330 m/s. Without it's about double that.
L113[14:42:18] <darsie> Hmm, I could make pics when it reaches speed of sound and the dip in acceleration.
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L117[14:44:07] <JVFoxy> try a bigger stack sep on it..
L118[14:44:25] <JVFoxy> according to wiki... they should just have 0.3-0.2 drag
L119[14:44:42] <darsie> Like, a 1.25 m sep on a 0.6 m rocket?
L120[14:44:46] <JVFoxy> maybe someone fat fingered the drag entry by accident
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L122[14:45:21] <JVFoxy> docking port jr is 0.25 drag
L123[14:46:39] <darsie> idk what these numbers are, but 10 kg making the rocket 10 cm longer should only cause minimal drag.
L124[14:47:12] <JVFoxy> you could also be shifting the weight further back just a bit
L125[14:47:47] <darsie> Maybe. But the drag is unreasonable.
L126[14:48:12] <JVFoxy> you using FAR?
L127[14:48:15] <darsie> no
L128[14:48:44] <darsie> Something like this also happens when a fairing is the root part.
L129[14:49:15] <JVFoxy> probably because game isn't sure what to do when a part not typically a root is made into one
L130[14:49:36] <JVFoxy> you should see some of the funky stuff that can happen, like back when people make rovers out of weightless parts
L131[14:50:12] <JVFoxy> when you using a seperator on the jet engine anyways?
L132[14:50:13] <darsie> there were some weightless engines and someone went FTL.
L133[14:50:43] <JVFoxy> Scott bounced a rocket off Jool really hard. result was a craft doing 5x speed of light across kerbol system
L134[14:51:25] <JVFoxy> or the planet buster someone else did... craft so large. would glitch the graphics out, planets disappeared
L135[14:52:04] <JVFoxy> beyond that, I don't know. Sorry. I was suppose to have gone off line an hour ago to meet with a friend.
L136[14:52:28] <darsie> thx
L137[14:55:23] <JVFoxy> no worries... lates
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L139[14:57:44] <darsie> Fairing bug still there: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot18.png
L140[14:58:11] <darsie> Reaches 77 km. With fairing as root it turns over during flight due to fairing drag.
L141[15:20:07] <darsie> http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot21.png reaches 619 m/s top speed.
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L143[15:20:28] <darsie> http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot22.png reaches 410 m/s top speed.
L144[15:20:41] <darsie> 22 has a 10 kg decoupler instead of a 10 kg battery.
L145[15:22:42] <darsie> Clamp is released when the turbine reaches 10 kN.
L146[15:28:58] <BPlayer> What's that for?
L147[15:31:01] <darsie> Trying to use a Juno as first stage.
L148[15:32:56] <BPlayer> So that's a rocket for suborbital flight?
L149[15:33:04] <darsie> No, I want orbit.
L150[15:33:17] <BPlayer> Need more than a Juno for that, though
L151[15:33:26] <darsie> I deleted the second stage to find the drag issue.
L152[15:33:33] <BPlayer> Ah, got it
L153[15:33:59] <BPlayer> Might want to have a look at FAR
L154[15:34:12] <darsie> ok
L155[15:34:17] <BPlayer> It is not for everyone, but it certainly solves small parts related aero issues
L156[15:34:49] <darsie> Ah, so it's not I install it and it fixes the drag of the decoupler.
L157[15:36:07] <BPlayer> It is an aerodynamics rework. Uses part collision boxes, IIRC, to calculate realistic aerodynamic effects. Is significantly different from stock KSP aero and definitely harder to work with, but it also solves such bugs
L158[15:37:17] <BPlayer> Expect somewhat unintuitive effects (which occur in reality but not in KSP) such as extra drag around Mach 1 and stuff. It makes especially plane design harder, but OTOH it provides good tools to estimate flight performance
L159[15:37:52] <darsie> KSP does increas drag at mach 1.
L160[15:40:13] <darsie> But flying with a variant of that plane was nice. Made it 1/3 around Kerbin with just an Oscar B.
L161[15:40:35] <darsie> Flew by itself without SAS.
L162[15:40:48] <darsie> There was some increasing oscillation.
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L171[17:08:09] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/506589502169677824/IMG_20181029_230427_232.jpg
L172[17:08:29] <BPlayer> Correct
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L182[17:50:43] <Eddi|zuHause> <BPlayer> Might want to have a look at FAR <- last time i tried, FAR didn't work in 1.5
L183[17:51:13] <BPlayer> I never used 1.4 or 1.5, I'm afraid. Didn't find the time to play KSP since 1.3 :-(
L184[17:52:12] <darsie> I'm running out of motivation to play it.
L185[17:52:29] <Eddi|zuHause> i naively tried to run my savegame on 1.5 with all the old mods, but with FAR active, i got like 0.1FPS
L186[17:52:38] <Eddi|zuHause> ...while in space
L187[17:52:42] <Fluburtur> https://66.media.tumblr.com/efa784489fa8dafcb921ea8738b4fd53/tumblr_p91zwqPyuE1qhwpg6o1_540.png
L188[17:52:59] <Eddi|zuHause> hey, i just tried playing that song
L189[17:54:37] <Eddi|zuHause> also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ydY8-Uzah8
L190[17:54:38] <kmath> YouTube - Bohemian Rhapsody Performed in 42 Styles
L191[17:54:52] <Fluburtur> it is super hard to play
L192[17:55:16] <Eddi|zuHause> note that i play the Tuba
L193[17:55:32] <Fluburtur> lmao
L194[17:55:44] <Fluburtur> I want a trumpet, do you know stuff about those?
L195[17:55:59] <Eddi|zuHause> "stuff"?
L196[17:56:12] <Fluburtur> like what to get
L197[17:56:14] <Eddi|zuHause> i know which way the air goes in, if that helps :p
L198[17:56:25] <Fluburtur> heh
L199[17:56:49] <Fluburtur> I actually want to make a trumpet with 3d printed piston and garden hose tubing
L200[17:56:50] <Eddi|zuHause> there's two valve types, one for more orchestra-like play and one for jazz-like play
L201[17:56:54] <Fluburtur> but a real one would be nice too
L202[17:57:13] <Eddi|zuHause> i've seen some people with plastic instruments
L203[17:57:21] <Fluburtur> I want to play ska punk ideally so I guess you need the piston ones for that
L204[17:57:32] <Eddi|zuHause> i also tried a plastic tuba, but it was too bulky
L205[17:58:46] <Fluburtur> ah yes https://www.amazon.fr/BONTEMPI-324231-Instrument-Musique-Trompette/dp/B01N6IGXZZ/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1540853916&sr=8-4&keywords=trompette
L206[17:59:10] <Fluburtur> uh is so late
L207[18:00:29] <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't look right :p
L208[18:00:50] <Fluburtur> I think my uncle might know someone that can tell me about trumpets
L209[18:01:07] <Fluburtur> or the trumpets with only 3 pistons, cornets I think
L210[18:01:22] <Fluburtur> k then https://youtu.be/rbE53XUtVw0
L211[18:01:22] <kmath> YouTube - bear sits next to guy
L212[18:01:35] <Eddi|zuHause> they all usually come with 3 valves
L213[18:01:45] <Eddi|zuHause> trumpet and cornets alike
L214[18:01:48] <Fluburtur> aren't trumpet 4 and cornets 3?
L215[18:01:51] <Eddi|zuHause> no
L216[18:02:01] <Fluburtur> I have been lied to
L217[18:02:14] <Eddi|zuHause> you only need 4 valves if you play in the really low octaves
L218[18:02:25] <Eddi|zuHause> so only baritone and tuba usually have 4 valves
L219[18:02:35] <Eddi|zuHause> some tubas have 5 or even 6 in rare cases
L220[18:02:41] <Fluburtur> also, how much can you tune them
L221[18:02:51] <Fluburtur> seems like they all come in one pre defined tone
L222[18:03:14] <Eddi|zuHause> there's a thing you can pull out or push in to tune
L223[18:03:23] <Fluburtur> yeah but is fine tune
L224[18:04:08] <Fluburtur> they come as sib, ut and mib usually it seems
L225[18:05:20] <Eddi|zuHause> there's 3 parts for making a tone: 1) your mouth - defines which one of the "natural" tones you play (they are really far apart in the low octaves and get closer to each other in the higher octaves, in an 1/n progression)
L226[18:05:40] <Eddi|zuHause> 2) the valve modifies the length of the instrument to get down to halftone differences
L227[18:06:03] <Eddi|zuHause> 3) the tuning bend, which can fine tune to match other nearby instruments
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L230[18:07:22] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know what "sib, ut and mib" stands for
L231[18:07:25] <Eddi|zuHause> never heard that
L232[18:07:31] <Fluburtur> the tones
L233[18:07:43] <Fluburtur> anyways, I will try to find someone that plays trumpet so I can try
L234[18:08:29] <Eddi|zuHause> you could go to a real life instrument shop, they probably let you try out some
L235[18:08:48] <Eddi|zuHause> expect the useful ones to start at around 300€
L236[18:08:58] <Eddi|zuHause> (open end for highly professional ones)
L237[18:09:01] <Fluburtur> nearest one is in paris
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L239[18:09:10] <Fluburtur> so not exactly cheap
L240[18:09:15] <Eddi|zuHause> i'd assume everything is in paris :p
L241[18:09:33] <Fluburtur> there is one a bit closer but idk if they have trumpets
L242[18:09:37] <Fluburtur> mostly strings
L243[18:09:44] <Fluburtur> also I don't want to get a too expensive one
L244[18:09:57] <Fluburtur> I want a cheap one that works, might be asking too much idk
L245[18:10:05] <Eddi|zuHause> you should also get a teacher
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L247[18:10:15] <Fluburtur> yeah
L248[18:10:22] <Fluburtur> so it doesn't end up next to my violin
L249[18:10:28] <Fluburtur> is a good decoration tho
L250[18:10:50] <Eddi|zuHause> or, do that first, he can probably explain to you what to look for when you get one. or even rent one
L251[18:11:03] <Fluburtur> yeah
L252[18:11:07] <Fluburtur> anyways I need to go to bed now
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