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L11[00:29:52] <Jennifer> OK, I successfully
transferred the Titan/Gemini and Atlas/Agena from the Making
History Folder to the regular Ships folder.
L12[00:30:18] <Jennifer> Was able to launch
the Agena in regular KSP, at which point I realized... it has no
reaction wheels!
L13[00:30:33] <Althego> hehe
L14[00:30:42] <Althego> just as no real
rocket would have
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L16[00:32:12] <Jennifer> Added them,
successfully orbited, now putting up a Gemini. Hope it can maneuver
too, or will it start spinning when it's time to aim at the next
node?
L17[00:33:16] <Jennifer> Ah, it too seems
to have orbited successfully!
L18[00:33:42] <Jennifer> So now I can demo
Apollo 8 at work for my astronomy program!
L19[00:33:57] <Jennifer> Gemini 8, I
meant.
L20[00:37:34] <Althego> but dont they use
parts from the mod?
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L22[00:45:07] <Jennifer> Yes, why?
L23[00:45:27] <Althego> so they dont work
without the mod. then what was the purpose of moving them?
L24[00:49:06] <JVFoxy> watching video on
Gene Cernan.. Gemini 9
L25[00:52:23] <Rokker> JVFoxy: 8 was much
more entertaining
L26[00:53:14] <Rokker> Jennifer: I live
about an hour away from the Gemini 8 capsule
L27[00:53:46] <Althego> you havent moved in
yet?
L28[00:53:58] <Althego> into the you know
what
L29[00:54:28] <JVFoxy> #7 and #11 missions
were my fav
L30[00:55:12] <Rokker> Althego: Gemini 8 is
in a different museum from the museum
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L32[00:59:15] <Jennifer> Althego - I wanted
to be able to run Gemini and Gemini-Agena missions without having
to use the mission editor.
L33[00:59:25] <Jennifer> Just needed to
make a few modifications.
L34[01:00:30] <Jennifer> Heh - in the event
I botched the Agena orbital change after docking, the ship spun and
ran out of fuel. So it actually turned out to be a lot like Gemini
8!
L35[01:01:00] <Jennifer> Rokker: Wow,
awesome!
L36[01:01:52] <Jennifer> 10 is my fave, if
only because it starred two of my favorite astronauts. Mike Collins
is the best author of the lot.
L37[01:02:12] <Rokker> and then apollo 15
is like... 15-20 minutes away
L38[01:02:38] <Rokker> along with the first
(unused, obviously) MOL Gemini capsule
L39[01:02:46] <Jennifer> You live in Ohio,
then?
L40[01:02:53] <Rokker> aye
L41[01:03:29] <Jennifer> Dad and I visited
the USAF museum a year ago. Awesome trip.
L42[01:03:36] <Jennifer> Took us three days
to see everything.
L43[01:03:41] <Rokker> yep
L44[01:03:58] <Jennifer> Would love to work
there.
L45[01:04:07] <Rokker> Jennifer: you just
missed the Memphis belle then
L46[01:04:13] <Rokker> by a few
months
L47[01:04:44] <Jennifer> We did catch the
Collings Foundation - they were there the same week, so we rode in
their B-17.
L48[01:05:30] <Rokker> Jennifer: they did a
flyover (and landed a few) with WW2 planes
L50[01:06:21] <kmath> YouTube - Memphis
Belle unveiling flyover. May 16 2018.
L51[01:07:29] <Jennifer> Kewl.
L52[01:08:40] <Jennifer> Hm, will MechJeb
auto-maneuver with monoprop?
L53[01:08:43] <Rokker> although I'm annoyed
cause there are like 2-3 planes that were moved out of the hangar
that they arent gonna put back in
L54[01:08:57] <Rokker> I think it
will
L55[01:09:13] <Jennifer> Will have to try a
Gemini 3 flight to check.
L56[01:09:47] <Rokker> as long as you beat
the commies to the moon, it's worth it
L57[01:09:53] <Jennifer> The one thing I
don't like about the model is the shape of the service module. Too
angular.
L58[01:10:26] <Jennifer> Aw, Yuri was a
hero. Wouldn't have a problem with him being first on the
moon.
L59[01:11:29] <Althego> as the (half) joke
goes, based on what we know, we cant say that yuri was the first
man in space, but he was the first to come back :)
L60[01:11:42] <Jennifer> Another thing I'd
love would be the option to have custom Kerbal names. That way my
Gemini 8 could have Neil Kerman and Dave Kerman as crew.
L61[01:11:58] <Jennifer> Althego: :p
L62[01:13:03] <Rokker> Jennifer: I'm
assuming you didnt get to do the restoration tour. they closed it
down in august last year or so I think
L63[01:13:52] <Jennifer> We were there in
early August. Don't think we noticed it, so it may have been closed
by then.
L64[01:14:19] <Rokker> it was done every
friday, cool thing, I'm annoyed they are refusing to bring it
back
L65[01:14:22] <Jennifer> I interned at Pima
Air Museum in college. I keep encouraging Dad to volunteer there,
but he hasn't.
L66[01:14:42] <Rokker> the restoration and
storage hangar has some of the coolest stuff
L67[01:14:46] <Jennifer> He's a retired
aviation engineer, I'm sure they could use him.
L68[01:14:52] <Rokker> like the museum's
atlas
L69[01:15:24] <Rokker> I went to pima last
march, it was amazing, especially since I got to see the heritage
flights practicing out of Davis Monthan
L70[01:15:52] <Jennifer> I've always wanted
to see NASM's Udvar-Hazy. Haven't yet.
L71[01:16:27] <Jennifer> I loved Pima.
Would have worked there permanently if they'd have afforded to pay
me more than a summer's stipend.
L73[01:16:53] <Jennifer> The one issue in
the storage hangar was the A-10s rattling overhead every couple
hours.
L74[01:17:25] <Jennifer> Ahhhh, home.
L75[01:17:47] <Jennifer> I handled Barry
Goldwater's Air Force helmet.
L76[01:17:56] <Rokker> whaaaaat
L77[01:18:30] <Jennifer> I was cataloging
... stuff, and that was one of the helmets.
L78[01:19:16] <Jennifer> It wasn't as cool
as the Thud pilot's helmet - he'd written all of his mission
locations on it, there were about a hundred names.
L79[01:20:07] <Rokker> but yeah I love
living next to such an amazing historical site and museum
L80[01:20:36] <Rokker> Jennifer: I need to
go back to udvar, I only went there for like the last hour before
closing and didnt see nearly enough
L81[01:20:45] <Jennifer> Oops. Quick, how
do I reload a quicksave?
L82[01:20:57] <Rokker> F9
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L84[01:22:49] <Jennifer> USAF was like that
for my Dad. He'd been there one day ages back, clearly not enough.
So we worked together to spend a whole week in Dayton.
L85[01:23:40] <Rokker> I'm always meeting
people there who hasnt been here since the 70s or 80s
L86[01:23:42] <Jennifer> Also went to the
Wright's house and the field where they tested the Flyer, but
managed to see just about everything at the USAF museum.
L87[01:24:23] <Jennifer> Last time he'd
been there was for an accident investigation. He worked for
Learjet/Bombardier.
L88[01:25:52] <Rokker> if yall ever come
back, go to Carillon Park as well, they have the Wright Flyer III,
the first controllable airplane as the Wrights put it
L89[01:27:03] <Jennifer> Will do.
L90[01:27:29] <Jennifer> The park where
they practiced controlling it was lovely. I caught and sketched a
frog.
L91[01:28:16] <Jennifer> High grass and a
lot of flowers.
L92[01:28:47] <Rokker> Jennifer: I had my
senior photos taken there at Huffman Prarie
L93[01:32:08] <Rokker> Jennifer: also
Dayton and the Natl Park Service just bought the first Wright
Company factory last month, so that should be restored and
preserved in the not to distant future
L94[01:32:25] <Jennifer> Oh, nice.
L95[01:32:37] <Jennifer> I wonder if they
could use a librarian.
L96[01:32:49] <JVFoxy> ever had a space
documentary move you?
L97[01:33:29] <Rokker> no but first man
made me tear up a little
L98[01:33:30] <Jennifer> ... does First
Orbit count?
L99[01:35:44] <Rokker> does Pima ever have
guest speakers and stuff
L100[01:37:51] <Jennifer> Yep.
L101[01:38:16] <Jennifer> They have a
dedicated hangar for meetings, speeches, dances, etc.
L102[01:38:17] <Rokker> we had Joe Engle
here last month
L103[01:38:56] <Jennifer> The 390th Bomb
Grp museum (separate but on campus) has regular visits and talks by
WWII vets.
L104[01:39:48] <Rokker> nice
L105[01:40:22] <Jennifer> Cool. I got to
see Ken Mattingly in college. Got him to autograph my Illustrated
History of NASA.
L106[01:42:37] *
JVFoxy watching last man on the moon..
L108[01:43:53] <Rokker> Jennifer: theres
the belle
L109[01:44:12] <Rokker> not a good photo
but meh
L111[01:48:16] <Rokker> and that plane in
the background there is SAM 29000, aka one of the two Air Force One
747s
L112[01:48:57] <Rokker> two of the most
famous Boeing aircraft ever in flight at the same time
L113[01:49:54] <Jennifer> Nice.
L114[01:50:16] <Jennifer> Pima has a nice
collection of early Air Force Ones.
L115[01:51:05] <JVFoxy> 707 air force one
sitting at Seattle's museum
L116[01:51:10] <Rokker> I would argue that
Dayton's is better ;)
L117[01:51:50] <Jennifer> I did like the
one FDR used. It had a secret elevator to lift him and his
wheelchair inside.
L118[01:51:51] <Rokker> JVFoxy:
uhhhhh
L119[01:51:57] <Rokker> you sure about
that?
L120[01:53:03] <JVFoxy> yup.. was there
myself.
L122[01:53:21] <JVFoxy> original 747 in
behind it too.. I got a wide shot of the 747 personally while I was
there too
L123[01:53:32] <Rokker> Jennifer: air
force was literally created on that plane
L124[01:53:47] <Rokker> JVFoxy: that cant
be tho
L125[01:54:39] <Rokker> no wait
L126[01:54:43] <Rokker> SAM 970, nvm
L127[01:55:10] <Rokker> the two more
famous ones are in dayton and california
L128[01:56:06] <JVFoxy> what made you
think it wasn't?
L129[01:56:53] <Rokker> I completely
forgot about SAM 970
L130[01:57:25] <Jennifer> Can't find the
photo of me with Mattingly. the K-State newspaper's search function
isn't working properly today. Another time.
L131[01:57:32] <JVFoxy> oh... I wasn't
aware of the ID.. just remember it was parked by the museum, got
the chance to walk inside it.
L132[01:58:04] <Jennifer> Anyway, I think
I'm ready for tomorrow's astronomy club at work if it's as cloudy
as it was tonight.
L133[01:58:10] <Rokker> JVFoxy: Reagans
707 is at his library, and the main JFK/LBJ one is in dayton
L134[01:58:27] <JVFoxy> was a while back
though... long before the new roof out back. I remember when the
concorde for a short time sat in the parking lot, actually parked
my car under it during one visit. :)
L135[01:58:45] <Jennifer> lol
L136[01:59:01] <JVFoxy> well under a
wing.. they had the underbelly fenced off
L137[01:59:32] <Jennifer> The A6M5 Zero
and Me 262 at NASM were kept at the Washington Navy Yard in the
'50s...
L138[01:59:34] <JVFoxy> didn't know there
was 3 707's... just that it was 707 for a while then the 747
L139[01:59:47] <Jennifer> My Dad lived
nearby in his teens...
L140[02:00:10] <Jennifer> He and his
buddies used to crawl under the fence and play in the
cockpits.
L141[02:00:44] <Jennifer> Or so he
claims.
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L144[02:02:44] <Rokker> Joe Engle, the
last living X-15 pilot sitting behind the X-15 controls (perhaps)
one last time
L145[02:03:14] <Jennifer> Oh, wow. I
remember standing at that angle, actually.
L146[02:03:22] <JVFoxy> Some years ago, I
went down to visit a friend near DC.. took him to the Dulles
museum, since he couldn't drive himself, almost blind. Sadly, he
passed on not too long after I left. :\
L147[02:03:53] <Rokker> that sucks
L148[02:04:07] <Rokker> nice that you took
him tho
L149[02:04:23] <JVFoxy> he paid entry...
for helping take him down
L150[02:05:25] <JVFoxy> he'd done a lot of
charity work for kids and some other things. I knew of him because
of the charity work over there. Ended up meeting him at an event
down in San-fran
L151[02:05:40] <Rokker> isnt it
free?
L152[02:05:50] <Rokker> or wait, paid
parking isnt it
L153[02:06:16] <JVFoxy> oh.. well it been
a while, had to pay for something, probably parking. ya
L154[02:06:27] <JVFoxy> though this was
some time ago too
L155[02:06:46] <Rokker> most govt owned
museums are free, especially smithsonian and military
L156[02:06:52] <JVFoxy> ... how many
museums you know of that are free?
L157[02:07:03] <Rokker> many
L158[02:07:07] <JVFoxy> Boeing museum
isn't.. though thats Boeing
L159[02:07:26] <Rokker> um
L160[02:07:31] <Rokker> Dulles is
Smithsonian
L161[02:07:44] <Rokker> its an extension
of the National Air and Space Museum
L162[02:07:47] <JVFoxy> ah...
L163[02:07:54] <Jennifer> Gotta get to
bed. Night gents.
L164[02:07:57] <JVFoxy> lates
L165[02:08:13] <Rokker> cya
L166[02:08:15] <Jennifer> Wish me luck on
the KSP and astronomy at work tomorrow!
L167[02:08:16] <JVFoxy> I wasn't aware of
the diff... then again, mostly been north of the border. :P
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L169[02:08:20] <Rokker> I should probably
head off too
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L171[02:08:47] <JVFoxy> I used to pickup
the air & space mags a little while back...
L172[02:09:00] <Rokker> JVFoxy: basically
they ran out of room in downtown Washington DC, so they opened up
Dulles
L173[02:09:14] <JVFoxy> ah
L174[02:10:08] <Rokker> anyways
L175[02:10:09] <JVFoxy> I just happened to
be in Boston with another buddy... going down to DC was sorta ... I
had a little extra free time, it was a drive, wanted to go see him
before was too late
L176[02:10:12] <Rokker> bedtime
L177[02:10:21] <JVFoxy> k.. lates
L178[02:10:22] <Rokker> fun
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L180[02:11:15] <JVFoxy> fun was only a
little part of it
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L191[05:34:06] <Black_Eagle> what is this
new burn time thing? it's all wrong and the node was way off
too
L192[05:34:37] <Althego> tries to help you
with non instantenous burns
L193[05:34:38] <Black_Eagle> ksp showed me
a transfer burn of 800m/s to mun, 12 minutes
L194[05:34:43] <Althego> which most of
them are
L195[05:35:20] <Black_Eagle> no the old
thing was somewhat accurate, this new thing is way off
L196[05:35:37] <Black_Eagle> definitely
wasn't a 12min burn and definitely didn't take 800m/s
L197[05:35:53] <Althego> havent tried it
yet
L198[05:36:09] <Althego> but i usually put
around 2/3 of burn time before the instantenous time
L199[05:37:31] <Althego> which can mean it
is minutes before
L200[05:38:22] <Black_Eagle> ok, i
see
L201[05:38:46] <Black_Eagle> if i just add
a node and don't touch anything it displays a burn time of 9
minutes
L202[05:39:07] <Althego> that is a bit too
long around kerbin
L203[05:39:17] <Althego> i would break
that in two
L204[05:39:34] <Black_Eagle> Althego you
don't understand
L205[05:39:41] <Black_Eagle> it takes 9
minutes to burn 0 m/s
L208[05:39:55] <Althego> ah for zero
change it says 9 mintes
L209[05:39:59] <Althego> that is
dumb
L210[05:40:14] <Black_Eagle> yup :)
L211[05:42:13] <Althego> but since 1.5 was
released i was playing syberia 1-2, longest journey 1-2 and read
expanse 7, so i dont have actual experience with it
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L213[05:59:39] <Althego> btw burn time was
always incorrect after a scene change if engines havent run at
least a bit
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L224[08:20:44] <Deddly> Alrighty
there
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L229[09:06:33] <darsie> .
L230[09:12:27] <Deddly> ,
L231[09:14:06] <UmbralRaptop> ;
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L259[11:19:40] <lordcirth> CKAN suddenly
hangs when I try to launch it. No debug output. I tried strace but
I don't know it very well and didn't see anything obvious
L261[11:21:27] <lordcirth> There's a lot
of odd EINVAL's though...
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L263[11:29:08] <Eddi|zuHause> the places
where it looks for system.dll don't look right
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L265[11:32:28] <Eddi|zuHause>
"openat(AT_FDCWD,
"/usr/lib/mono/gac/System/4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll",
O_RDONLY) = 3" <-- this is what that should look like
L266[11:33:26] <lordcirth> line 332?
L267[11:33:47] <Eddi|zuHause> ah, that is
in there, ok
L268[11:33:51] <Eddi|zuHause> then the
divergence is later
L269[11:34:07] <lordcirth> 332 shows
ENOENT
L270[11:34:12] <lordcirth> Which might be
bad?
L271[11:34:24] <lordcirth> I've got
mono-complete 5.12 installed on 18.04
L272[11:35:13] <lordcirth> Oh I left it
hanging for a while and it actually crashed with an error
L273[11:35:28] <Eddi|zuHause> "363
sched_yield() = 0" <- this line is not in my startup
L274[11:35:30] <lordcirth> I'll leave it
running | pastebinit
L275[11:36:27] <Eddi|zuHause> or at least
muuuuch later
L276[11:36:41] <Eddi|zuHause> line
55000-ish in my strace
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L278[11:37:26] <Eddi|zuHause> so that
might be where it switches from "startup" to
"shutdown"
L279[11:37:57] <Fluburtur> my retracts are
not here yet
L280[11:38:01] <Fluburtur> but I want
them
L282[11:38:54] <lordcirth> Some sort of
timeout
L283[11:39:46] <Eddi|zuHause> no idea what
xplatui is
L284[11:40:01] <lordcirth> I'll try
updating to the mono repo's 5.16
L285[11:40:48] <lordcirth> *sigh* gpg:
connecting dirmngr at '/tmp/apt-key-gpghome.FuxClTP4zb/S.dirmngr'
failed: IPC connect call failed
L286[11:40:51] <lordcirth> What now?
L288[11:45:48] <lordcirth> Oh I'm
aware
L289[12:04:58] <lordcirth> Ok, finally
updating to 5.16
L291[12:06:04] <Althego> lol, but it is do
moon doing the eclipse
L293[12:07:04] <Eddi|zuHause> as far as
i'm aware, eclipses involve 3 bodies
L294[12:07:25] <Althego> and the sun is
that moves the least :)
L295[12:07:44] <Althego> why did they
break the door?
L296[12:08:00] <Fluburtur> c'est normal en
russie
L297[12:08:07] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm imagine
the photographer being the person saying "ok, you had your
fun, now get along again"
L298[12:08:26] <Eddi|zuHause> modulo
grammar
L299[12:09:23] <Eddi|zuHause> in my house
we had plenty of doors with a hole punched in them (not all the way
through, though)
L300[12:09:40] <Althego> probably from
moving furniture
L301[12:09:57] <Eddi|zuHause> no, from
somone banging their fist at the door
L302[12:10:02] <Althego> lol
L304[12:10:10] <kmath> YouTube - C'EST
NORMAL EN RUSSIE!!
L305[12:10:17] <Eddi|zuHause> these
non-massive-wood doors aren't actually that sturdy
L306[12:10:21] <Fluburtur> god htat is so
old, no one says that anymore
L307[12:10:25] <Eddi|zuHause> someone in a
rage can easily break them
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L309[12:10:35] <Fluburtur> cardboard doors
yeah
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L312[12:15:22] <kmath> YouTube - Ace
Ventura Sliding Door
L313[12:15:23] <lordcirth_> It
works!
L314[12:16:02] <Althego> is what trac
says
L315[12:18:16] <lordcirth_> Eddi|zuHause,
installing 5.16 fixed it
L316[12:18:24] <Eddi|zuHause> wow, youtube
suggestions are on a stupid nonsense that i either already watched
or never want to watch but constantly reappears spree
L317[12:20:48] <lordcirth_> There's a
"not interested" button
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L319[12:20:58] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah
L320[12:21:05] <Eddi|zuHause> which
totally doesn't work
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L322[12:21:18] <Eddi|zuHause> and is
unnecessarily hidden behind too many clicks
L323[12:21:46] <Althego> hehe
L324[12:23:11] <lordcirth_> Just watch
lots of Isaac Arthur until Youtube fills your suggestions with him.
Win/Win
L325[12:23:31] <Eddi|zuHause>
"lots" is usually "one video"
L326[12:23:38] <Althego> hehe
L327[12:23:43] <Althego> yes 1 can change
everything lol
L328[12:24:17] <Eddi|zuHause> ever watch
one video out of your ordinary routine, and your
"suggestions" are only that stuff
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L330[12:24:56] <Eddi|zuHause> and the
worst thing is, my videos that i watch in private browsing mode are
starting to bleed through to my logged-in suggestions
L331[12:25:02] <Eddi|zuHause> (based on
IP?)
L332[12:25:52] <Eddi|zuHause> i have some
data protection concerns about assuming that all accesses from the
same ip are attributed to the same person
L333[12:26:11] <Althego> i think it is
worse than that
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L336[12:36:05] <Eddi|zuHause> now... where
was i yesterday when everything crashed...
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L338[12:38:37] <Guest80703> Anyone know
how to get to the link so I can down load the new version? I did my
original purchase as a direct download, but when I try to get there
now it wants to charge me.
L339[12:39:52] <Althego> where did you
download it from
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L341[12:40:36] <Guest80703> The KSP
Store
L342[12:41:23] <Althego> log in, then my
account (yellow button)
L343[12:42:18] <Althego> hehe, it does not
seem to be very fast today
L344[12:42:33] <Althego> but anyway after
you click the yellow button, it gives you your available
downloads
L345[12:44:01] <Guest80703> Ah,
sorry...something weird with my browser...the first time I did
exactly that, it took me to the normal store link. Working
now.
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L348[13:03:47] <Eddi|zuHause> i still
don't understand it, up to 3700m/s but still not reaching
orbit
L349[13:16:56] <lordcirth_> So, my latest
rocket has 7 aerobee engines as the first stage, because they are
8kg and the next engine I have is 500kg
L350[13:17:15] <lordcirth_> They each have
700s MTBF
L351[13:18:31] <lordcirth_> Somehow they
all worked for the 50s burn
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L353[13:18:53] <lordcirth> But apparently
the second stage should have had fins too :P
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L356[13:27:16] <Eddi|zuHause> bah... why?
the more tanks i add the less i get towards actual orbit?
L357[13:27:37] <Althego> hehe
L358[13:27:40] <Althego> twr
L359[13:27:54] <Althego> and probablt
gravity and mostly drag losses
L361[13:31:35] <kmath> YouTube -
Administrator Bridenstine Joins Washington Post Discussion: The New
Space Age
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L364[13:40:58] <Eddi|zuHause> so, up at
4000m/s i actually managed orbit
L365[13:41:04] <Althego> lol
L366[13:41:14] <Althego> must be really
huge drag
L367[13:41:22] <Eddi|zuHause> dunno
how
L368[13:41:39] <UmbralRaptop> pics?
L369[13:41:42] <Althego> i had a ship like
that once
L370[13:41:46] <Eddi|zuHause> i mean it's
not the most aerodynamic thing ever
L371[13:42:15] <JVFoxy> 4km/s....
L372[13:42:29] <JVFoxy> this DV used.. or
actual speed?
L373[13:42:35] <Althego> it was designed
to fit in a cargo bay, and thus very space limited, and the overuse
of the cubic... parts caused a lot of drag, so it barely made it
into laythe orbit with the delta v normally needed for kerbin
L374[13:42:52] <UmbralRaptop> ΔV
expenditure I assume
L375[13:43:19] <JVFoxy> what I thought..
4km probably make an escape from the system all together :P
L376[13:43:29] <JVFoxy> ... unless you
down by kerbol
L377[13:44:02] <Eddi|zuHause> once you're
in orbit, 1 additional km gets you an escape trajectory, yes
L378[13:45:18] <Althego> and 1.1 gets you
to duna at the rigth time :)
L379[13:45:51] <Eddi|zuHause> still
waiting for that time :p
L380[13:46:12] <Althego> year 1 day 230,
dont delay, fly today
L381[13:46:25] <JVFoxy> hmm... got me
thinking about scale of things (ksp vs RO).. a project I had been
wanting to do. Something like modeling a fictional planet with a
few cities on it.
L382[13:46:39] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm at 1
year 163 days, currently
L383[13:47:28] <Althego> with lot of delta
v you can get there any time :)
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L387[13:48:20] <Althego> dont you have
some fairing?
L388[13:48:34] <JVFoxy> my.. what big
docking ports you have..
L389[13:48:37] <Althego> maybe something
pointy at top
L390[13:48:44] <JVFoxy> oh wait...
L391[13:48:45] <JVFoxy> seperators
L392[13:48:51] <Althego> those are the
tested part
L393[13:48:58] <Eddi|zuHause> they are for
a "test in orbit" mission
L394[13:49:06] <Eddi|zuHause> two because
of symmetry
L395[13:49:11] <Althego> i hate testing
stack sparators in orbit, because i have to build a mechanism to
retrieve them
L396[13:49:21] <Althego> decouplers are
ok
L397[13:49:27] <Eddi|zuHause> why
retrieve?
L398[13:49:33] <JVFoxy> I had sepratrons
as a test object.. I put 8 of them on a plate, used it to help
boost a relay sat into kerbin polar
L399[13:49:35] <Althego> because the no
space junk policy
L400[13:49:46] <UmbralRaptop> Apoapsis:
304 km
L401[13:50:09] <Eddi|zuHause> well, the
test is between 300 and 310km
L402[13:50:14] <JVFoxy> stack seps in
orbit? Just attached a probe body with an engine/tank
L403[13:50:40] <Eddi|zuHause> it will
separate from the probe as well
L404[13:50:50] <JVFoxy> I try to avoid
junk too. but ugh.. all these left over rescue pods cluttering up
orbit
L405[13:51:06] <Althego> so the best i can
do is to build something around it so it is stuck in the ship. if i
am lucky it fits into a service bay
L406[13:51:12] <JVFoxy> oh.. the two way
ones... meh. just blow them up from tracking station
L407[13:51:16] <Althego> otherwise it is
just not really worth it
L408[13:51:38] <JVFoxy> else.. if cargo
bay.. just sep in cargobay, no force. Fly back down with it. May
bounce a bit
L409[13:51:51] <Eddi|zuHause> just have an
engineer on EVA to reattach them?
L410[13:52:09] <Althego> cant do that in
the base game
L411[13:52:19] <Eddi|zuHause> (assuming
KIS/KAS)
L412[13:52:54] <JVFoxy> things stay in
cargo/service bay with doors close? I know quite a few people use
service bay doors as crazy strong landing legs
L413[13:53:07] <Althego> no, not
really
L414[13:53:13] <Althego> not if they are a
separate object
L415[13:53:25] <Althego> thin things tend
to glitch through
L416[13:53:35] <Althego> but they tend to
glitch through everything
L417[13:53:51] <Althego> hovever it doesnt
matter as long as they are on a trajectory to lower
atmosphere
L418[13:53:58] <Eddi|zuHause> kerbal
glitch program
L419[13:54:04] <JVFoxy> can you not
connect seperatrons to the edge of the stack sep, stage it at same
time. Just point retro and let the rockets throw it back?
L420[13:54:26] <Althego> those are not
available at first
L421[13:55:13] <Eddi|zuHause> i used
separatrons for the first time on my last (larger) rocket
L422[13:55:18] <Althego> so anyway, that
is one kind of annoying contract
L423[13:55:33] <Althego> along with the
fly between 20 and 30 km in the early game
L424[13:55:48] <JVFoxy> I take it still
early in tech tree?
L425[13:55:48] <Althego> with targeted
measurements
L426[13:55:50] <Eddi|zuHause> oh yeah
those are nasty
L427[13:55:55] <JVFoxy> I got seps as
experimental...
L428[13:56:01] <Althego> hehe
L429[13:56:02] <Eddi|zuHause> "test
at 20-30km with X speed"
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L431[13:56:14] <Althego> not that, you can
do that with a rocket
L432[13:56:32] <JVFoxy> I hate the 'above
18km, test/crew report over certain area'...
L433[13:56:34] <Althego> however if you
have to fly far away, and do measurements on separate points, you
can only do that with a plane
L434[13:56:44] <APlayer> o/
L435[13:56:55] <Althego> you could do a
parabolic hop to one, but doing multiple is not worth it
L436[13:57:01] <JVFoxy> I can do above
18km above if its near KSC... but half way around kerbin?
L437[13:57:04] <Althego> and have to wait
until more advanced jets
L438[13:57:10] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, those
are fine near KSC, but when you have to go to the other side of the
planet...
L439[13:57:34] <Eddi|zuHause> just add a
rocket engine for that final boost
L440[13:57:39] <Althego> if you can land
for them, i have a tiny science rover on a big solid booster for
that :)
L441[13:58:00] <Eddi|zuHause> i find it
impossible to aim a rocket on kerbin
L442[13:58:01] <Althego> no, because the
rocket engine is enough for only 1 hop again
L443[13:58:15] <hoglahoo> it could be fun
to test small aircraft strapped to an icbm
L444[13:58:54] <JVFoxy> well if you just
doing high alt but not orbit.. its more doable.. not exactly full
on spaceplane
L445[13:59:33] <Eddi|zuHause> you could
have a sattelite in low polar orbit, and dip below 70km for a bit
at the right moment?
L446[13:59:52] <JVFoxy> I can build
something to fly to the poles in Tier 1 hangar with just Junos..
but only barely. Once you get the wheezlies, those help quite a
bit, but do need bigger parts
L447[13:59:52] <Althego> too big lateral
errors
L448[14:00:40] <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, the
high altitude ones i usually wait until the afterburning
engine
L449[14:00:53] <JVFoxy> I've done small
space/plane shuttle type thing on end of a rocket.. long as you
have big fins at the back... strapping something to the side of a
fueltank/booster aka shuttle style tends to prove rather..
challenging early on
L450[14:01:16] <Eddi|zuHause> i've never
done an actual spaceplane
L451[14:01:53] <JVFoxy> done quite a few..
mostly sandbox though. I never got to progress in career fast
enough before the next game update. (I tend to mess around too
much)
L452[14:02:08] <Althego> hehe
L453[14:02:13] <oren> JVFoxy: I find it
much easier if there are TWO fueltanks
L454[14:02:16] <Eddi|zuHause> i started my
current carrer game in 1.3
L455[14:02:23] <oren> one on top, one on
bottom
L456[14:02:39] <JVFoxy> I've got quite a
few planes I really love that I've made. Just wish more options for
wheeled gears and a plane style mk3 cockpit in stock.
L457[14:03:09] <Althego> my goal in career
usually is to have all the science instruments and launch a probe
to duna so that it arrives there before it is actually the launch
window starts, this means it is launched around day 20
L458[14:03:21] <Eddi|zuHause> the last
plane i did had a problem with jumping into the air if loaded while
landed
L459[14:03:57] <oren> Eddi|zuHause: wheels
are permanently borked since 1.0.5
L460[14:04:07] <Althego> hehe
L461[14:04:13] <Althego> there is soem ice
skating effect :)
L462[14:04:33] <JVFoxy> oren I've done one
little craft, makes orbit with just enough to come back down. uses
two long slender fuel tanks aka shuttle style. Its a single seat
craft though.. not much can do with it, other than maybe
training?
L463[14:04:36] <Eddi|zuHause> it's not
even the wheels, it was jumping from the gear tension
L464[14:04:56] <Eddi|zuHause> i
think
L465[14:05:06] <Eddi|zuHause> that was
around 1.4
L466[14:05:11] <oren> JVFoxy: use two big
fat tanks instead, shuttle can then be mostly payload
L467[14:05:11] <Eddi|zuHause> not tested a
plane since 1.5
L468[14:05:20] <JVFoxy> 1.5.1 fixed the
excess compression issues on landing gears.. not sure if legs or
wheeled though
L469[14:06:12] <JVFoxy> I did an
experiment, 4 tiny landing legs on probe body with tiny fuel and
engine. reduced leg settings to 0... launch craft. ... it launched
alright, sprung stupid fast into the air after it settled
L470[14:06:29] <Althego> hehe
L471[14:07:15] <JVFoxy> the shuttle is
cool and all. Heck, I even have a few books on it (one is a
familiarization manual). I just other things on my mind
L472[14:07:41] <Althego> a shuttle style
vehicle is only good for a challenge
L473[14:07:44] <oren> Every dev note since
1.0.5 has included some variety of "Fix wheels"
L474[14:07:50] <Althego> hehe
L475[14:07:55] <oren> so far none have
actually fixed the wheels
L476[14:08:00] <Althego> now there are no
more dev notes
L477[14:08:11] <APlayer> 99 little bugs in
the code...
L478[14:08:17] <JVFoxy> when I made the
mun craft and lander.. I said to myself, 'wanted to avoid doing
repeat of apollo style.' So instead.. I built a craft where the
lander sits sort of 'inside'...
L479[14:09:02] <APlayer> Come on, Apollo
style in KSP is just so easy and straightforward, everyone does
it
L480[14:09:05] <JVFoxy> I hadn't really
much issues with wheels... ya, they do sort of iceskate a little...
besides that, what other issues people having with them?
L481[14:09:13] <oren> Like, I just want
them to work the way they did in 1.0.5, not bounce
L482[14:09:17] <Althego> actually doing it
that way is unnecessary in ksp
L483[14:09:36] <Althego> usually my first
mun landing is in a single combined orbiter-lander-return
vehicle
L484[14:09:41] <APlayer> No need for
separate ascent and descent stage, but a separate craft in orbit
makes sense
L485[14:09:42] <Althego> also because of
part count
L486[14:10:01] <oren> JVFoxy: they ice
skate, they bounce, they have phantom forces, they don't drive
straight
L487[14:10:07] <JVFoxy> I added another
challenge, mun craft/lander has to be reusable
L488[14:10:27] <JVFoxy> trying to find pic
of my craft....
L489[14:10:44] <JVFoxy> I find in some
cases, its not the wheels that are the issue... some aerodynamic
bug too
L490[14:11:08] <APlayer> "aerodynmaic
bug" sounds nice
L491[14:11:20] <JVFoxy> everything's
mirrored perfectly, but when you go flying, some reason craft still
wants to bank to one side
L492[14:11:22] <APlayer> It must be an
airborne bug. A beetle.
L493[14:11:37] <JVFoxy> I trackd it down
to a mirrored part bug...
L494[14:11:39] <oren> and when you have
enough wheels or legs on a craft, it shakes itself apart
L495[14:11:59] <JVFoxy> I've had more
issues with landing legs 'staking themselves into the ground' when
landing
L496[14:12:09] <oren> that too
L497[14:12:19] <lordcirth> The fun part
about having 17 engines on the first stage is that you barely
notice when one fails
L498[14:12:26] <JVFoxy> you land.. one
foot touches, craft just sits there... doesn't want to settle on
the rest. Sometimes even wants to sway back and forth on its
own
L499[14:12:29] <Althego> bugs fly, so they
have to be aerodynamic :9
L500[14:12:32] <APlayer> Nice! KSP
simulates burying in regolith now!
L501[14:12:37] <lordcirth> As one
inevitably does, because 17
L502[14:12:45] <oren> and the worst part
is, none of these issues used to happen as much in 1.0.5, but 1.0.5
was slooooow
L503[14:13:08] <oren> well, really none
happened at all, because wheels didn't have suspensions
L504[14:13:08] <JVFoxy> 1.5.1 they did say
fixed the skidding on slopped surfaces issues with legs
L505[14:13:14] <lordcirth> 2 Engine
Shutdowns and 1 Performance Loss in 50s
L506[14:13:15] <APlayer> lordcirth:
Depends on failure mode. Some might be rather violent. Violent
enough to notice, at least.
L507[14:13:27] <Eddi|zuHause>
<APlayer> 99 little bugs in the code... <-- fix 1 bug, 100
little bugs in the code...
L508[14:13:30] <Althego> also why do we
need a mod to give us a nice upright craft after landing? the legs
dont compensate for terrain at all
L509[14:13:38] <APlayer> Eddi got the joke
:P
L510[14:13:51] <JVFoxy> I was going to do
a video of a polar base I built with tiny landing legs. When I
changed scene from tracking station to the base, something was
causing it to pinwheel around on its own.
L511[14:14:20] <oren> I want a mod that
entirely disables wheels from moving vertically, the way they
worked in olden days
L512[14:14:30] <Eddi|zuHause> APlayer:
i've got a book from the 90s about "applications of murphys
law in computers", and one of them is "fixing one bug
creates 2 new ones"
L513[14:15:12] <JVFoxy> I was going to try
and recreate.. but flying stuff out to a polar location takes 15
minutes even at time accel
L514[14:15:44] <APlayer> The number of
bugs in a project doubles every two years the project exists
L515[14:16:22] <Eddi|zuHause> oren: in
those mythical olden days my rovers/cars often had problems with
losing contact with the ground and then everything exploding
L516[14:16:23] <APlayer> JVFoxy: The
pinwheeling were Kerbals dancing inside
L517[14:16:27] <JVFoxy> for those that
haven't seen... my version of 'non-apollo style mun mission' Well..
minmus as well since if you can land on mun, minmus is easy:
https://imgur.com/a/NPQrPUt
L519[14:16:48] <JVFoxy> aplayer what
kerbals..? It was empty.. not even probe core. I suspect the legs
were micro-jerking
L520[14:16:49] <Eddi|zuHause> oren: had to
stop every few minutes to make an autosave
L521[14:17:08] <JVFoxy> aplayer it was
just a mk1 crew pod on tiny legs anyways
L522[14:17:10] <APlayer> JVFoxy: The
stowaway Kerbals, of course
L523[14:20:12] <Althego> micro jerk, the
person causing the micro aggression? :)
L524[14:20:44] <JVFoxy> well .. like knee
jerking but barely noticeable..
L525[14:22:33] <Eddi|zuHause> people
always notice my restless leg...
L526[14:24:56] <JVFoxy> restless hands..
and mind here.
L527[14:25:17] <JVFoxy> well .. not so
much lately. Been a bit of the depressed side since may
L528[14:47:54] <Eddi|zuHause> so,
delivered snacks and solar panels to space station, swapped pilots
so jeb can rot... err... take command there... anything i
forgot?
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L531[14:49:38] <JVFoxy> feel the live
Jeb... :\
L532[14:49:42] <JVFoxy> ... love.. dang
it
L533[14:50:21] <JVFoxy> I swear..
sometimes my typing gets a little short circuitted more these
days.
L534[14:50:42] <Althego> gets worse as i
age
L535[14:54:46] <Eddi|zuHause> i've also
noticed it getting worse
L536[14:56:42] <JVFoxy> then again... I do
type rather fast
L537[14:57:00] <JVFoxy> you both touchtype
too?
L538[14:57:55] <Althego> according to
nextrocket there will be a soyuz rocket launch in 1 day 2 hours 2
minutes
L539[14:58:04] <APlayer> We use
keypress-to-text software
L540[14:58:05] <Althego> do they try they
luck?
L541[14:58:09] <Althego> hehe
L542[14:58:42] <APlayer> Althego: Where do
they launch from?
L543[14:58:44] <Althego> maybe i could try
voice interface, after all these years it might be ok even with my
accent
L544[14:58:46] <JVFoxy> touchtype..
basically means, you type without looking at the keyboard..
L545[14:59:13] <JVFoxy> sometimes people
read a document off screen, typing in what it says... ;P
L546[14:59:19] <Althego> no
information
L547[14:59:50] <Althego> i have to look at
the keyboard, because otherwise i lose the frame of reference
L548[14:59:50] <JVFoxy> hopefully the
launch goes off ok
L549[15:00:04] <Althego> and then you geet
like épé for lol and such
L550[15:00:36] <JVFoxy> homekeys... not
sure if newer keyboards still have the bumps on the 'F' and 'J'
keys like my older ones do
L551[15:00:46] <Althego> those are
there
L552[15:01:33] <APlayer> I have them too.
Though I wouldn't call my keyboard new
L554[15:03:03] <APlayer> What? A manned
rocket launch for an unmanned payload?
L555[15:03:07] <APlayer> Pfft, what a
waste
L556[15:03:09] <Althego> spy satellite, so
no info
L557[15:03:21] <APlayer> Perhaps it's a
manned spy satellite
L558[15:03:38] <APlayer> With a guy
peeking out of a peephole with binoculars
L559[15:04:23] <Althego> would be if the
space program was steampunk
L560[15:05:09] <Althego> and in two weeks
an arianespace launch with soyuz again
L561[15:05:30] <Althego> seems they are
not too afraid of issues
L562[15:05:40] <APlayer> There are so many
Soyuz iterations, the failed one may have been entirely
different
L563[15:06:11] <Althego> true, but the
booster separation mechanism is probably not too different
L564[15:08:07] <APlayer> Who knows?
L565[15:08:38] <APlayer> Perhaps it's just
that they had not enough struts and the boosters crashed back into
the craft?
L566[15:08:47] <UmbralRaptop> So that's a
2.1b. Aren't current Soyuz-MS designs using that also?
L567[15:10:38] <Althego> wiki says
soyuz-fg is used by the manned missions
L568[15:12:27] <UmbralRaptop> hm
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L572[15:14:20] <Althego> ms-11 is
scheduled to december, so apparently they are not too afraid
L573[15:15:39] <JVFoxy> ISS crew come back
already?
L574[15:17:01] <Althego> not yet
L575[15:17:11] <Althego> no reason
L576[15:17:21] <APlayer> So, if manned
Soyuz launches are grounded, SpaceX and Boeing are not ready yet
and there are no other options... ISS is going to be unmanned for
the first time in history?
L577[15:18:02] <VanDisaster> they can send
progress to the ISS still & keep the crew up there
L578[15:18:02] <UmbralRaptop>
basically
L579[15:18:41] <Althego> not for long if
the next launch is really early december
L580[15:18:53] <Althego> they can send up
food and stuff
L581[15:18:58] <Althego> but the soyuz
will have to come back
L582[15:19:06] <Althego> and sure as hell
it will not leave withotu the crew
L583[15:19:11] <VanDisaster> could send an
empty soyuz too
L584[15:19:20] <Althego> hehe, why, then
send it manned
L585[15:19:52] <JVFoxy> something about
the attitude control fuel having an expiry date..
L586[15:20:12] <JVFoxy> guessing they
can't just replenish it?
L587[15:20:19] <Althego> as scott
explained the descent module uses hydrogen peroxide for rcs because
it is not toxic like hydrazine, but it means it slowly decomposes
in orbit, so it cant stay up there for more than around 200
days
L588[15:20:30] <VanDisaster> if they're
confident in the capsule but not the launcher, that would be the
safer way for officialdom
L589[15:21:12] <VanDisaster> this will
probably end up as someone sticking something in upsideown again
tho, I bet :p
L590[15:21:15] <JVFoxy> it can still come
down, ballistic.. the service section uses other stuff that doesn't
decompose.. just means heavier Gs on way down
L591[15:22:38] <APlayer> "Weee!"
- crew, during ballistic reentry, probably
L592[15:22:55] <JVFoxy> hopefully not 'ow
ow ow ow ow ow'
L593[15:23:12] <JVFoxy> or 'blood curdling
screem'
L594[15:23:44] <VanDisaster> "I am
going to dance in your entrails" probably
L595[15:24:10] <UmbralRaptop> [swearing in
Russian]
L596[15:24:13] <APlayer> Just disable
reentry heating temporarily: Problem solved
L597[15:24:35] <UmbralRaptop> hah
L598[15:24:36] <VanDisaster> "hey
physics, bear with me a second"
L599[15:26:42] <Althego> hehe that one
previous use of the launch escape system is famous for the
cosmonauts using the circuit breaker to stop the cockpit voice
recording so that they could swear freely :)
L600[15:27:46] <JVFoxy> tip: make sure you
don't get deodorant on your finger tips before settle down with cup
of coffee, it'll be the only thing you can smell each time you take
a sip. >_<
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L604[15:44:30] <Eddi|zuHause> i can't
imagine a situation where that would even occur to me
L605[16:04:15] <JVFoxy> probably not even
a rare thing..
L606[16:04:32] <JVFoxy> I was just
saying.. ugh. anyways gotta run, errand for work
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L626[17:46:32] <Eddi|zuHause> so, if i
manage to land and assemble this base on minimus, i'm probably
going to put a similar one on mun
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L628[17:48:41] <Eddi|zuHause> probably
need a better landing stage for that though
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L639[19:17:12] <Eddi|zuHause> it would be
nice if i could mark contracts whether they are relevant to the
current vessel, so i can hide them better
L640[19:18:24] <darsie> There is no
current vessle in mission control.
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L643[19:23:26] <Malachite> whew
L644[19:28:05] <darsie> Unless you only
have one active vessle.
L645[19:28:36] <Malachite> is there a
1.5.1 compatability thread yet?
L646[19:42:55] <Eddi|zuHause> ok, so my
plane is "flapping" its wings... it didn't use to do that
last time i played...
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L662[20:36:37] <Eddi|zuHause> hm, given my
current latitude and longitude, is there an easy way to find out
where the next "interesting" biome is to land in?
L663[20:37:02] <Eddi|zuHause> (on
kerbin)
L664[20:39:46] <UmbralRaptop> Poking at
biome maps?
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L671[21:23:29] <Eddi|zuHause> *note again*
don't press space to brake/release the brakes
L672[21:25:38] <UmbralRaptop> Note to
self: press mod+L when Eddi|zuHause is driving a rover or landing a
plane.
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L685[22:24:21] <Draconiator> hmmm...it
says Win10 does not have an internal floppy driver, but my USB
drive works fine...
L686[22:30:52] <Eddi|zuHause> how is USB
related to internal?
L687[22:32:33] <lordcirth> lol I forgot to
use a pressure-fed upper stage engine, but I was able to use the
abort SRB's as ullage
L688[22:33:19] <Eddi|zuHause> how
"evil" is a rescue mission in LKO where i steer a
satellite nearby, and then just EVA space jump the guy back to
kerbin?
L689[22:34:40] <lordcirth> How does that
work??
L690[22:34:48] <lordcirth> Do you have
heating disabled?
L691[22:35:20] <Eddi|zuHause> i tested it
with jeb yesterday, shallow reentry doesn't work, but steep
does
L692[22:36:00] <Eddi|zuHause> so burn all
EVA fuel retrograde
L693[22:36:19] <lordcirth> lol
L694[22:36:29] <lordcirth> How hot do they
get?
L695[22:37:08] <Eddi|zuHause> if it's too
shallow they reach 800K and die
L696[22:38:31] <lordcirth> Sounds like you
need to turn heating up to 150% :P
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L700[22:44:11] <Eddi|zuHause> uhm... game
doesn't react to any keypresses?
L701[22:45:06] <Eddi|zuHause> i mean not
even Esc or F9
L702[22:46:15] <Eddi|zuHause> well, Alt+F4
works :p
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