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L11[00:43:13] <mabus> why do you do those
missions? i never find them worth the in-game time
L12[00:43:49] <mabus> and by the time i
have plane parts i can do missions with far better pay
L13[00:44:14] <Althego> science missions on
a plane?
L14[00:45:08] <Althego> what is most
annoying in them you often get them in an altitude that is too low
for a rocket and too high for the jets of that time
L15[00:53:13] <JVFoxy> eh.. lol.. did tiny
shuttle plane thing... under 18 tons 30 parts...
L16[00:53:30] <JVFoxy> includes solar panel
and folding relay antenna...
L17[00:54:37] <JVFoxy> sorta weird space
shuttle style launch... slender tank, engine on shuttle but drops
off after done. single extra liquid fuel booster to get off the
pad, sits under fuel tank
L20[00:59:05] <Althego> lol scott. who
knows what astronomers would do if they got angry
L21[01:11:39] <JVFoxy> wow.. ok this is a
first for me... spaceplane dropped down in a good zone, I can
actually glide to the runway
L22[01:12:00] <Althego> i can correct
several hundred kms with a spaceplane
L23[01:12:32] <Althego> so basically it is
very easy to to land one
L24[01:12:45] <JVFoxy> this thing stubby
winged but also pretty small and light
L25[01:12:56] <JVFoxy> one of the turns I
did pushed Jebs G limits quite a bit
L26[01:15:05] <JVFoxy> ok weird...
L27[01:15:18] <JVFoxy> I landed but the
launch clamps i used to take off from runway are gone
L28[01:15:33] <JVFoxy> it auto clears now
after launch? I only went one orbit around
L29[01:20:03] <Althego> yes, and that is
the better outcome, because they could have flown with you :)
L30[01:20:11] <Althego> as t hey used to
sometimes
L31[01:23:13] <JVFoxy> hadn't the problem
where they follow along..
L32[01:23:47] <Althego> that has been fixed
for a while
L33[01:24:00] <Althego> and there is an
auto cleanup mechanism around ksc
L34[01:24:42] <JVFoxy> though sometimes
I've flown around KSC after launching a little thing with clamps..
having to dodge them when coming in for landing.
L36[01:54:42] <Althego> hilarious
video
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L38[02:13:38] <Rokker> JVFoxy: listen,
stubby wings are fine if you go fast enough
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L40[02:18:34] <taniwha> non existent wings,
too
L41[02:21:33] <JVFoxy> I've done no
wings... just engines
L42[02:21:39] <JVFoxy> and a few reaction
wheels..
L44[02:22:51] <Althego> hehe
L45[02:22:53] <taniwha> (ok, poor Bill
couldn't slow down before hitting the hills, but...)
L48[02:35:47] <taniwha> yeah
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L59[05:35:41] *
UmbralRaptop pokes the Pioneer plaque with a hyperfine
transition.
L60[05:36:42] <UmbralRaptop> Why are the
units for the solar system model 0.1 mercury semimajor axes?
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L67[06:27:46] <UmbralRaptop> "Wind
velocity was less than 1 kilometer/second below 10 kilometers
altitude." Uhm.
L68[06:28:46] <taniwha> where is the wind
ever Mach 3?
L69[06:38:01] <UmbralRaptop> I suspect that
1 m/s was meant? (This is about Venera 8)
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L81[07:43:06] <Eddi|zuHause> hm, getting a
minimus encounter seems to be trickier than last time
L82[07:44:29] <Althego> it is only tricky
if you dont want to do a plane change
L83[07:44:47] <Althego> but even then it is
mostly just waiting
L84[07:46:40] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, last
time i just so happened upon it around DN, so no plane change
L85[07:49:52] <taniwha> no such planet as
minimus
L86[07:50:04] <taniwha> or moon
L87[07:50:19] <Althego> that's no moon
:)
L88[07:50:42] <taniwha> 'tain't no space
station, either :P
L89[07:52:19] <Eddi|zuHause> i know, but
that's what it is to me...
L90[07:52:56] <Eddi|zuHause> now, i also
need to fine tune the encounter to enter a polar orbit
L91[08:01:54] <Eddi|zuHause> bah, i
shouldn't have gone on EVA during the maneuver, now it forgot how
much it had burned so far
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L98[09:07:28] <kmath> YouTube - The Martian
Spacesuit Project Lives!
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L102[09:41:25] <Eddi|zuHause> dunno why,
but with things that say 3500m/s i never seem to make
orbit...
L103[09:43:15] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: who
says that?
L104[09:43:18] <Mat2ch> Maybe too much
drag?
L105[09:43:26] <Mat2ch> or bad ascend
angle?
L106[09:43:33] <Althego> yes, should be
possible with a lot less
L107[09:43:34] <Mat2ch> Also: Pics or
never happend!
L109[09:53:24] <Althego> what is that
decoupler in the middle lol
L110[09:55:28] <Mat2ch> well, the
decoupler in the middle will cause a lot of drag
L111[09:55:40] <Althego> exactly
L112[09:55:40] <Mat2ch> (this should be
simluated now, or?)
L113[09:55:54] <Mat2ch> also the solar
panel
L114[09:56:10] <Althego> at least rotate
it 90 deg, but probably that doesnt matter
L115[09:56:20] <Mat2ch> and with that big
engine in the back your throttle should never go above 75 % in the
atmosphere
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L117[09:56:38] <Mat2ch> let me check.
:D
L118[09:56:54] <Mat2ch> somebody has a
Ryzen 2700X to play with :P
L119[09:57:13] <Mat2ch> and an nvme ssd.
Finally KSP runs fine. ;)
L120[09:57:22] <Eddi|zuHause> not run full
throttle? never heard that before
L122[09:57:56] <Althego> you dont want to
go too much faster than 100% atmospheric efficiency
L123[09:58:15] <Eddi|zuHause> how would i
know where that is?
L124[09:58:25] <Althego> in the old times
we knew it by heart :)
L125[09:58:34] <Althego> but you can use
ker to show it
L126[09:59:16] <Eddi|zuHause> where?
L127[10:00:02] <Althego> where atmospheric
efficiency is :)
L128[10:03:11] <Mat2ch> uhm
L129[10:03:21] <Mat2ch> rotate the solar
panels by 90°
L130[10:03:42] <Mat2ch> I did two tests.
Small srb rocket.
L131[10:03:55] <Mat2ch> Once solar panels
streamlined, once like Eddi|zuHause did
L132[10:04:13] <Mat2ch> streamlined: >
7000 m height. Rotated: 5500 m
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L134[10:04:36] <Mat2ch> That's a huge
difference. Max speed was 215 m/s.
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L137[10:05:19] <Eddi|zuHause> ok... let me
try that
L138[10:05:50] <Mat2ch> you should display
the atmospheric slider in KER as well
L139[10:06:08] <Mat2ch> then you can play
around with it and get better numbers
L140[10:06:29] <Eddi|zuHause> which one is
that?
L141[10:06:54] <Eddi|zuHause> oh in the
vab you mean?
L142[10:06:58] <Mat2ch> Sometimes KER
reports something like 2600 m/s, but in reality you have a very
efficient vacuum engine at the upper stage and you can still make
it into orbit with some fuel to spare
L143[10:07:54] <Truga> there's usually two
numbers, sea level and vac
L145[10:10:05] <Mat2ch> Truga: but KER
doesn't care :D (as long as you don't use the atmosphere
slider)
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L148[10:10:54] <Truga> oh yeah
L149[10:11:05] <Eddi|zuHause> so, if i
want to slap on the giant separator sideways i think i need two to
get a balanced rocket
L150[10:11:12] <Truga> it's always funny
watching the readout increase as you ascend from atmosphere
:p
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L153[10:22:30] <Eddi|zuHause> so, the
atmospheric dv generally seems a bit lower
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L156[10:25:42] <Eddi|zuHause> 1st stage
loses about 200m/s on the ground, 2nd stage about 50m/s at 10km
height
L157[10:26:28] <Eddi|zuHause> now, if i
could run drag tests... :/
L158[10:28:11] <Eddi|zuHause> i now added
another small tank, maybe it'll work now
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L164[11:05:37] <Eddi|zuHause> added
another small tank to 1st stage and finns for stability, still
missing about 200m/s for circularization after 2nd stage burns
out
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L168[11:12:07] <Eddi|zuHause> another try
that's even worse :/
L169[11:13:17] <Althego> just strap srbs
and be done with it
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L177[11:40:49] <Althego> but dont you have
a job already?
L178[11:40:55] <flub2> not for long
L179[11:41:15] <Althego> covered
everything in foam and set it on fire?
L180[11:41:36] <flub2> I can just open all
the oxygen valves wide open
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L182[11:41:55] <flub2> or put mercury in
the torches but that wouldn't be nice
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L187[11:58:50] <Eddi|zuHause> gah, i hate
this... i've had this problem for years, and nobody could ever help
me with it...
L188[11:59:19] <Eddi|zuHause> something
about memory, where the system locks up with HDD access (doesn't
matter whether i have swap or not), and never triggers OOM
L189[12:00:19] <Eddi|zuHause>
(linux)
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L192[12:51:08] <jgkamat> Eddi|zuHause:
have you seen earlyoom or oomd
L193[12:51:44] <jgkamat> the reason for
the HDD access is that as you approach the limit it blows your disk
cache and every read operation that was hitting ram before is now
hitting disk
L194[12:52:04] <jgkamat> I think that
there was some improvement for it on 4.14 but I'm still on 4.9 so I
can't test
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L198[12:59:10] <Althego> scott
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L210[13:49:03] <kmath>
<✔zachtronics> EXAPUNKS has left Early Access! ⏎ ⏎ To
everyone who participated and helped us fix bugs and improve the
game, thanks!…
https://t.co/PWsZ67WahL
L211[13:56:28] *
darsie has 51 MVF now.
L212[13:56:46] <Althego> mvF?
L213[13:59:04] <darsie> mega virtual
funds
L214[14:00:15] <Althego> sounds useful
:)
L215[14:00:31] <darsie> Not really. Can't
build that much rocket.
L216[14:00:52] <JVFoxy> ... which
game?
L217[14:00:56] <darsie> thx
L218[14:00:59] <darsie> this
L219[14:01:11] <darsie> normal
L220[14:01:15] <darsie> career
L221[14:01:18] <JVFoxy> ... mega virtual
funds.. they changed the name of funds recently or?
L222[14:01:48] <darsie> The currency
symbol looks like VF.
L223[14:01:57] <darsie> I call it virtual
funds.
L224[14:02:47] <JVFoxy> Just looked up
wiki... kerbucks
L225[14:03:17] <UmbralRaptor>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L226[14:03:26] <JVFoxy> though it was
never really specified.. from what I understand, the original
concept for the game is to let the player decide on what to 'fill
in' when i comes to various aspects
L227[14:06:50] <UmbralRaptor> Last I knew
it was unspecified
L228[14:07:06] <flub2> someone was calling
it spesos
L230[14:09:41] <JVFoxy> Lego has something
similar going.. though people make a joke about how the hotdogs in
Legoland are stupid expensive when you've only got 100 to pay for
one.
L232[14:12:40] <sandbox> I've only got the
pirate treasure
L233[14:18:09] <JVFoxy> .... grew up on
Lego.. relatives in Denmark might have had something to do with it.
C_C;;
L234[14:20:14] <sandbox> I went to Billund
around 1990
L235[14:22:45] <JVFoxy> I don't remember
when I went... a while before '86..
L236[14:23:04] <JVFoxy> '86 was my last
visit over to the country.. family did something of a road trip
that time
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L244[15:09:20] <flub2> well season 3 of
the expanse was certainly nice
L245[15:09:41] <Althego> reading the 7th
book now
L246[15:09:54] <Althego> about 170 pages
left
L247[15:10:05] <Althego> it has to wait
until tomorrow
L248[15:10:25] <Althego> i wasnt in a
hurry this time so i started only after 10, so i havent finished it
yet
L249[15:14:39] <JVFoxy> uff.. I had been
watching the first bunch of episodes online.. then got too busy to
continue. :(
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L256[15:43:49] <JVFoxy> balancing fuel
weight and thrust angles...... was just messing around with a
stupid little idea. Seems the smaller version works a lot
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L259[15:57:40] <Althego> if you are too
aft, you are not allowed to use it
L260[15:57:44] <Althego> fat
L261[15:58:51] <Rolf> fat isnt only issue
Althego
L262[15:59:03] <Rolf> I would be unable to
wipe because im not flexiable enough
L263[16:01:46] <JVFoxy> bad enough
airlines cutting a few inches of room from the toilet spaces
onboard
L264[16:02:28] <Althego> hehe, i dont
know, i dont even stand up on transatlantic flights :)
L265[16:02:45] <Rolf> ugh I remember last
time I went in plane. I barely could wipe my ass
L266[16:02:52] <Rolf> and thats 10 years
ago
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L275[17:10:44] <lordcirth> Going to try
RP-0 again for the first time in forever
L276[17:19:02] <darsie> With 1.2?
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L278[17:42:04] <lordcirth> Yeah,
apparently 1.2.2 is still the recommended version
L279[17:42:10] <lordcirth> RP-1 is nearly
ready for 1.3.1
L280[17:42:57] <lordcirth> CKAN does not
like installing this many packages at once
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L284[18:00:13] <Eddi|zuHause>
<jgkamat> I think that there was some improvement for it on
4.14 but I'm still on 4.9 so I can't test <-- i'm on 4.18
L285[18:00:53] <jgkamat> hmm that's
unfortunate
L286[18:01:09] <jgkamat> definitely look
into earlyoom or oomd and set it pretty aggresively
L287[18:04:49] <Eddi|zuHause> the thing
is, whenever i googled for this issue or asked some irc channels,
all i got back ever was "must add swap" or "well,
you shoudln't run out of ram, oom is evil"
L288[18:08:20] <Azander> oom ?
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L290[18:10:02] <Azander> hmmmm
L291[18:10:43] <Azander> I can see where
the linux people would say that... however like most modern code,
they don't optimize for ram usage, so you have to do a lot of
garbage collections outside of the programs
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L293[18:17:44] <jgkamat> I turn off swap
because I prefer the OOM
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L296[18:18:55] <jgkamat> the worst opinion
I've seen on OOM though is the i3 creator - he justified not having
a memory indicator in the status line with "just rely on the
OOM"
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L299[18:24:09] <Eddi|zuHause> i once
thought so too, since i upgraded from 4GB to 12GB ram, i haven't
had the need for swap really, but every now and then a program
(usually a game) will trigger this lockup
L300[18:25:57] <Eddi|zuHause> also, is
anyone still on freenode? every channel there is either
"registered only" or "invite only"
L301[18:39:56] *
darsie is on freenode.
L302[18:40:15] <darsie> There are still
open channels.
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L312[18:52:02] <umaxtu> lol
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L320[21:17:33] <GlsFrg|phone> teacher just
walked up to some guy who's not paying attention in class to tell
him to join our steam group
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L324[21:19:08] <GlsFrg|phone> none?
L325[21:19:22] <UmbralRaptop> o_O
L326[21:19:45] <GlsFrg|phone> now that
steam is trying to be discord it could probably serve as a slack
replacement though
L327[21:20:34] <GlsFrg|phone> plus it does
distribute a lot of software
L328[21:21:28] <UmbralRaptop> Isn't there
some business software on Steam?
L329[21:22:04] <GlsFrg|phone> a lot of CG
related stuff is on there
L330[21:22:21] <GlsFrg|phone> plus some
accounting software apparently
L331[21:23:24] <GlsFrg|phone> plus
everything you need for your own kizuna ai ripoff
L332[21:23:58] <GlsFrg|phone> lots of
audio stuff too
L333[21:25:55] <UmbralRaptop> hrm
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L337[22:05:58] <UmbralRaptop>
"Pioneer 11 detected Saturn’s bow shock on 31 August 1979,
about a million-and-a-half kilometers out from the planet, thus
providing the first conclusive evidence of the existence of
Saturn’s magnetic field." o_O
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