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L1[00:00:33] <Epi> the dark non combusting looking bit of a rockets exhaust
L2[00:02:54] <Althego> i didnt notice it before but as soon as he pointed out it was obvious
L3[00:02:58] <JVFoxy> n/m.. talk'n with someone else. DNS got jumbled somewhere some time...
L4[00:03:12] <Althego> but i already knew about that way of cooling
L5[00:04:01] <Epi> yeah, i never knew they did that, cool stuff
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L11[01:14:36] <oren> I still want a majora's mask mun mod
L12[01:15:06] <Althego> hehe
L13[01:15:44] <oren> like one that eventually crashes into the KSC
L14[01:17:32] <JVFoxy> mask mun.. so it just looks like a mask from kerbin or?
L15[01:18:16] <Althego> https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-moon-majoras-mask
L16[01:22:02] <JVFoxy> ya I figured as much.. that would be one crazy terrain to land on
L17[01:22:21] <JVFoxy> where would ya land? On the eye... in a nostril... tooth? :P
L18[01:22:55] <Althego> the back side is probably smother
L19[01:23:38] <JVFoxy> freddy kruger melted skin smooth... maybe
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L24[02:24:05] <Althego> hehe wooden a-10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiqeote2P2M
L25[02:24:05] <kmath> YouTube - Giant 8-Foot A-10 Warthog for Under $50
L26[02:24:27] <Althego> or maybe paper?
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L34[02:59:48] <Rokker> Althego: A-10
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L46[04:16:51] <Olympic1> Question for the long time players: Does anyone still have a .zip file from KSP 0.25 and/or 0.90
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L48[04:39:09] <sandbox> yes
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L50[04:41:00] <Deddly> Olympic1, I think a lot of people have those. I still have them all the way back to 1.8
L51[04:41:07] <Althego> hehe
L52[04:41:18] <Althego> i never archived any
L53[04:41:34] <Althego> i could have from 0.24 but didnt see merit in it
L54[04:42:02] <Olympic1> I lost them, is it allowed to share them?
L55[04:42:27] <Deddly> That would unfortunately be piracy
L56[04:42:50] <Olympic1> dammit
L57[04:42:53] <Deddly> :(
L58[04:42:58] <Rolf> maybe try to directly ask company, as they can check if you has account and had bought ksp
L59[04:43:11] <Rolf> I dont think they will but dont think it hurts to ask
L60[04:43:12] <Deddly> What do you want to do in the old version, Olympic1?
L61[04:44:03] <Olympic1> enjoy nostalgia :)
L62[04:46:16] <Deddly> Olympic1, there's a 0.13 demo on sourceforge. Whould that be helpful?
L63[04:46:40] <Rolf> isnt that version that world isnt sphere yet?
L64[04:47:03] <Olympic1> I have that demo still
L65[04:47:04] <Deddly> I think it was always a sphere
L66[04:47:23] <Rolf> hmm ok. its been a while since I watched very early versions youtube lol
L67[04:47:36] <Rolf> I know I played some versions that was pretty different
L68[04:47:49] <Rolf> water was acid and trees didnt exist I think
L69[04:49:27] <Deddly> Yeah. And there was no map view, so to get an orbit, people had to calculate the size and mass of Kerbin and work out the correct orbital speed needed
L70[04:49:36] <Deddly> No time warp, either
L71[04:49:47] <Deddly> Olympic1, I found the 0.18.3 demo
L72[04:49:54] <Deddly> Is that helpful?
L73[04:49:59] <Rolf> thats before version I used as versions I played always had space view
L74[04:50:00] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umj0gu5nEGs
L75[04:50:00] <kmath> YouTube - Rocky Horror Time Warp
L76[04:50:11] <Rolf> hmm maybe except the very earliest one?
L77[04:50:39] <Deddly> Rolf, yeah it's before my time too, but I read the original KSP thread on the Orbiter forums
L78[04:50:43] <Olympic1> I have all the demo's still
L79[04:52:09] <Olympic1> I have 0.13, 0.18.3, then I bought KSP around 0.22 but never saved them until 1.0+
L80[04:52:10] <Rolf> man I had so much fun with weird quirks and bugs
L81[04:52:11] <Rolf> my snowflake plane is most favorite creation so far lol
L82[04:56:55] <Deddly> I jumped in and bought 0.18 when I found out that it included all future DLC :)
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L84[04:57:22] <Althego> hehe
L85[04:57:29] <Althego> i havent heard about ksp then
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L87[04:57:58] <Althego> but i am constatly looking for space games, and even now there are not too many
L88[04:59:28] <Rolf> wish my memory is better bah
L89[04:59:37] <Rolf> I know I bought ksp before I switched to linux
L90[04:59:44] <Rolf> so its been bunch of years
L91[05:00:03] <Rolf> does 4 to 5 years make sense?
L92[05:00:12] <Rolf> I know 3 years is minium
L93[05:01:01] <Deddly> Rolf, which version was your first?
L94[05:01:09] <Rolf> I dont know
L95[05:01:19] <Rolf> I do know it looked kindan ugly lol
L96[05:01:59] <Althego> hehe
L97[05:02:03] <Althego> probabl 0.1x :)
L98[05:02:53] <Deddly> 0.7 was the first version released to the public
L99[05:03:42] <Deddly> 0.3 was the version before the visual style upgrade
L100[05:03:48] <Deddly> Sorry I mean 0.13
L101[05:03:55] <Rolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--cOWf2pKAk lol
L102[05:04:48] <Althego> 1000 meter munar face sliding
L103[05:04:50] <Rolf> 0.13 looks bit too different
L104[05:04:51] <Althego> still happens :)
L105[05:04:55] <Althego> what a sport event
L106[05:05:52] <Rolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLppxmBkcmA pretty ugly lol
L107[05:06:44] <Rolf> from videos I guess that my first version was 0.16
L108[05:06:59] <Rolf> maybe bit earlier if I had forgotten about tower
L109[05:10:11] <Rolf> watching video on 0.7.3 the first public release. looks so strange
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L113[05:47:28] <Olympic1> ah, found a way to go back to 0.25 using this: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=889624474
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L115[05:54:27] <Rolf> interesting
L116[05:54:46] <Rolf> Althego: I remember there was video showing pre-release versions including strange one'
L117[05:54:50] <Rolf> but cant find it
L118[05:54:56] <sandbox> interesting, I wonder if you could do that for fallout new vegas and get all the records for the stuff that was patched out
L119[05:55:23] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/xeOmSN-ue40
L120[05:55:24] <kmath> YouTube - bottle beheading
L121[05:55:26] <Fluburtur> more swording
L122[05:58:34] <sandbox> I got most of them already but I think that steam possibly didn't get the earliest release as there are still things that were in the unpatched PS3 disc version
L123[06:01:21] <Rolf> video I was talking about was way before 0.7.3, pre-alpha and earlier. very weird. but I cant find video awww
L124[06:01:42] <Rolf> one of em had earth moon in sky lol
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L131[06:28:37] <Mat2ch> hrm, I really wonder how the youtube algorithm is working. There's some really good stuff that has next to no views and there's this clickbait stuff that gets millions of views, but nobody clicks on it
L132[06:30:14] <Rolf> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Early_Versions nice
L133[06:31:19] <Rolf> verson 0.1 world was flat apparently, 0.2 it was tiny sphere
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L136[06:43:24] <Guest97322> hi there, I've got some issue with 1.4.5 version under W10: I can't move the view (camera); the mouse react (moves) but the view not (outdoor and inside buildings). Any idea ?
L137[06:44:21] <Guest97322> my windows10 is pretty clean, ksp brand fresh without add-ons
L138[07:08:07] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAdqazixuRY
L139[07:08:08] <kmath> YouTube - AUTOMATICA - Robots Vs. Music - Nigel Stanford
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L144[07:53:52] <Guest97322> F%&#ing windows10 (I experience it the less possible), it seems that running KSP "as admin" solve my problem.
L145[07:53:55] <Guest97322> bye
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L148[08:08:39] <Althego> hehe the last secret of doom 2 was found 2 days ago, after more than 20 years
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L151[08:25:40] <sandbox> hmm
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L154[08:44:31] <kmath> YouTube - Lego GBC module: Hockey Stick Lift
L155[08:44:31] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/iHPJIn6hMKA
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L167[09:34:04] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-RtJOfFlZU
L168[09:34:04] <kmath> YouTube - See how it was made - The Amazing Life-Size LEGO Technic version of the Bugatti Chiron
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L177[11:18:59] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/K0BKqpVcHrU
L178[11:18:59] <kmath> YouTube - aurora90 wing chase
L179[11:19:29] <Althego> why do you have so many unlisted videos?
L180[11:19:38] <Fluburtur> not really worth publishing
L181[11:19:55] <Fluburtur> I put like no effort into those, it's just when I want to show someone quickly
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L186[11:40:52] <Tank2333> hi
L187[11:40:55] <Mod9000> Hello, Tank2333
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L189[11:45:30] <Tank2333> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEBgi6QYDhQ
L190[11:45:30] <kmath> YouTube - Everybody dance now! - AI-Based Motion Transfer
L191[11:46:23] <Althego> ehehe, the hungarian accent
L192[11:46:31] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/n-RtJOfFlZU
L193[11:46:32] <kmath> YouTube - See how it was made - The Amazing Life-Size LEGO Technic version of the Bugatti Chiron
L194[11:46:41] <Althego> old :)
L195[11:47:10] <Fluburtur> no
L196[11:47:15] <Fluburtur> old would be like 2002
L197[11:47:23] <Fluburtur> 2015 is like two days ago for me
L198[11:47:28] <Althego> i linked it 2 hours afo lol
L199[11:47:36] <Fluburtur> I wasn't there
L200[11:48:05] <Althego> you looked like you were
L201[11:48:19] <Fluburtur> I was at the field with a friend
L202[11:48:24] <Fluburtur> or just doing something else
L203[11:48:39] <JVFoxy> ... I know people who were born in 2002.... already moved out on their own....
L204[11:48:54] <Fluburtur> no, anyone born after 1999 is 5 years old at most
L205[11:49:14] <JVFoxy> wait... that would make them 16..
L206[11:49:55] <JVFoxy> feel old when... >_<
L207[12:02:42] <Tank2333> Fluburtur it feels like that
L208[12:03:38] * UmbralRaptor is surprised by that many 16 year olds moving out, but otherwise makes sense.
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L210[12:07:34] <JVFoxy> entitled generation?
L211[12:07:54] * JVFoxy pokes at Fluburtur's comment about 1999 and 5 year olds
L212[12:08:30] <Fluburtur> no they are just babies
L213[12:08:37] <Fluburtur> barely old enough to walk by themselves
L214[12:08:52] <Fluburtur> but well idk; im from 97 myself
L215[12:09:14] <JVFoxy> drop back 20 more years.. thats me
L216[12:09:22] <Althego> you can legally drink even in american states now, you are officially old :)
L217[12:09:40] <Fluburtur> I have no intent on goign there so I don't mind
L218[12:09:48] <JVFoxy> don't care for beer anyways
L219[12:10:22] <JVFoxy> I tried... lets just say half a bottle would already get me buzzed >_<
L220[12:10:38] <Fluburtur> what size bottle
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L223[12:11:52] <Althego> hehe
L224[12:12:01] <Tank2333> i just hate the taste of beer, wich is pretty annoying because its a social lubricant over here
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L226[12:12:04] <JVFoxy> 12 oz I guess for american? it was micro brew (canadian)
L227[12:13:22] <Tank2333> That lego Bugatti is kinda amazing
L228[12:15:34] <Althego> now we just need a lego airplane :
L229[12:15:35] <Althego> )
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L239[12:30:52] <senray> >The "g" in GIF is at least a 7 on the Mohs scale
L240[12:30:52] <senray> Lol
L241[12:31:12] <Althego> i hope red5 one day comas back and sees this topic
L242[12:31:20] <Althego> comes
L243[12:33:14] <senray> Deleting and readding mods until it's fixed is a reasonable way of solving this "ksp won't load parts" issue, right?
L244[12:33:41] <Althego> server policy does not allow deleting of irc mods :)
L245[12:34:03] <senray> lol
L246[12:34:44] <senray> If this isn't a mod causing this problem, I'll be pretty stymied
L247[12:35:29] <JVFoxy> readding.. read that as reading... duh.. not awake I guess
L248[12:36:04] <JVFoxy> senray I suggest just starting fresh, try to see if the stock game even loads properly for you. Then adding each mod by itself to see if it still runs ok
L249[12:36:21] <JVFoxy> are you adding mods through ckan or manually?
L250[12:36:36] <senray> manually
L251[12:36:59] <senray> My 1.3.1 install works fine
L252[12:38:29] <JVFoxy> quite a few mods if I recall.. might wanna try using ckan then. It'll usually catch various bad interactions for you.
L253[12:39:19] <senray> Nah, CKAN causes more issues than it solves, IMO, especially because a few mods I'm using aren't on it
L254[12:39:29] <senray> I'll try it fresh and adding slowly if this doesn't work
L255[12:39:38] <senray> I really wish KSP was just good out of the box lol
L256[12:40:11] <JVFoxy> well.. it used to work fine... guess it hasn't caught up to the new version yet
L257[12:40:49] <senray> KSP has the most fascinating bugs...
L258[12:41:08] <Althego> not anymore
L259[12:41:22] <Althego> the launchpad destroying your wings while you are in orbit...
L260[12:41:25] <Althego> now that was a bug
L261[12:41:55] <senray> that is quite a bug
L262[12:42:22] <Althego> i doubt they ever figured out what caused it, just the lot of refactoring for the new engine accidentally got rid of it
L263[12:42:38] <senray> I'd love a KSP2 that doesn't use Unity
L264[12:42:51] <Althego> not in the forseeable feature
L265[12:43:16] <senray> well yeah
L266[12:44:01] <senray> well, looks like I've narrowed it down!
L267[12:46:09] <JVFoxy> Althego I had the wings blowing up bug only when I came in for landing.. was like seriously.. why?
L268[12:46:23] <Althego> most often during landings
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L270[12:46:46] <Althego> but i had them in orbit, and once i was coming back from duna and was on a hyperbolic flyby
L271[12:47:28] <JVFoxy> it usually had to do with being in orbit for a long time.. issues with precision. I noticed the coordinate system was acting funny.. instead of 0-360.. it had something like 720 instead.
L272[12:47:32] <senray> I'm relieved that none of the mods I've narrowed this down to are super important
L273[12:52:45] <Althego> long time? like 1-2 orbits around kerbin?
L274[12:57:36] <JVFoxy> not sure.. I didn't really test very well back then. Was more shocked, spending a few orbits at least, flying my ssto in, them blam one wing goes. Some cases I still had control. Then suddenly the other sheers off.
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L276[12:57:56] <JVFoxy> I'd check action report, collision with runway.. I was like. what the... but but I'm still 3 km out.
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L280[13:04:18] <Guest48995> Hello
L281[13:04:19] <Mod9000> Hello, Guest48995
L282[13:04:35] <Althego> the useless bot
L283[13:04:41] <Guest48995> anyone install the space x mods?
L284[13:05:17] <Guest48995> im trying to figure out how to piece them together
L285[13:05:26] <Guest48995> but there are no manuals
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L289[13:12:32] <Tank2333> i bet he was born after 1999
L290[13:12:41] <Althego> hehe
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L292[13:13:51] <Tank2333> they could just leave irc running or let the chanel open, but no... ask blink leave
L293[13:14:06] <Althego> blink and you miss it
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L295[13:15:07] <Althego> heh maybe i start to miss dreadnought. (it was a line for blink warp) but i could have been a great game instead they messed it up
L296[13:16:12] <Tank2333> never heard of it
L297[13:19:33] <Tank2333> oh wait i know now what it was, i also heard a podcast with one of the guys from that Yager game studio
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L306[13:57:16] <darsie> Now I know why I didn't want the computer inaccessibly hidden between batteries in a service bay ... kerbnet.
L307[13:57:37] <darsie> I thought, hmm, hibernation. No, not for that mission ...
L308[13:58:01] <darsie> I can't even click it by zooming into the rocket.
L309[13:58:49] <darsie> got it :)
L310[13:59:58] <darsie> The zoom out/in by one step repeatedly did it. Didn't work before.
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L313[14:05:27] <Chazbanx> hey
L314[14:05:38] <Althego> heyayay :)
L315[14:05:46] <Chazbanx> anyone know how to build falcon 9 with the mods?
L316[14:06:16] <Althego> not me
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L318[14:07:14] <UmbralRaptop> darsie: action groups can let you access kerbnet, right?
L319[14:07:26] <UmbralRaptop> (for next revision of the craft)
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L322[14:12:23] <darsie> UmbralRaptor: ahh, thx. But it turned out Hecs doesn't show biomes anyways. So next time, too :).
L323[14:12:35] <senray> Huh, I figured out the parts loading issue
L324[14:12:40] <senray> Fusebox Extended
L325[14:14:27] <UmbralRaptor> blarg
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L331[14:36:28] <senray> Huh, so if Fusebox is missing ToolbarController, KSP will not load any parts
L332[14:41:17] <Tank2333> my car doesnt load up without a fusbox too
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L338[15:41:17] <darsie> My rocket on a slope fell over while I got some food.
L339[15:45:38] <UmbralRaptor> Don't let your rocket get too hungry.
L340[15:46:04] <darsie> Looks like the strut legs dug into the dirt and then they got squeezed out.
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L343[16:01:07] <darsie> It's repeatable. The rocket stands on Minmus, I switch to KSC and back and the strut legs are in the dirt.
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L351[16:38:09] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/b52a0111252235ddf74b63ca130e690a/tumblr_inline_ozod807FnY1qf6xk1_540.jpg
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L360[17:09:14] <Rolf> game in game in game
L361[17:09:40] <Rolf> theres gameboy emulation in minecraft it was funny
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L363[17:20:49] <SirWhales> funny, i was sitting here just now wondering if i should play fallout or skyrim
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L365[17:20:59] <SirWhales> and now i'm wishing i had some kind of hybrid lol
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L376[19:37:57] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
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L381[20:02:25] <senray> Man, 1.4.5 is a real step up
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L383[20:11:03] <darsie> How so?
L384[20:11:41] <darsie> From what?
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L386[20:14:55] <Supernovy> 1.4.4, presumably.
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L390[20:19:54] <senray> from 1.3.1
L391[20:20:46] <xShadowx> whats in it worth the effort of updating 750 mods for?
L392[20:21:00] <senray> It seems to run a lot smoother so far
L393[20:21:10] <senray> I just restarted a flight 3 times without a CTD
L394[20:21:17] <senray> Tracking station lags less
L395[20:21:26] <xShadowx> i never had crashes, stable for me :)
L396[20:21:53] <xShadowx> anything featurewise?
L397[20:22:07] <xShadowx> planet tilt?
L398[20:22:55] <senray> i dunno yet
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L423[21:50:20] <senray> Anyone able to get Mechjeb not to shake like crazy when using control surfaces?
L424[21:53:03] <UmbralRaptor> There are PID settings somewhere, right?
L425[21:57:00] <senray> Yes, but I'm not sure if those are the issue, since it only occurs with control surfaces
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L428[22:10:57] <UmbralRaptor> hrm. Might also be something with how control surfaces work in FAR, etc.
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L431[22:17:19] <senray> yeah, that's my guess
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