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L3[00:19:59] <Althego> how things are in
tesla, he cant
L4[00:24:48] <Althego> he started the
electric car revolution, but probably the company is going to
fail
L5[00:34:30] <Rolf> "I don't see how
this could hurt me" he dont care about others
L6[00:42:54] <Althego> meanwhile it's
business time is predicted to launch in october
L7[00:43:04] <Althego> will it ever
launch
L8[00:43:16] <Althego> is rocket lab ltd
failing too?
L9[00:43:20] <Rolf> launch, sure. on time?
dunno
L10[00:43:42] <Rolf> hes not planning to
make profit on his space program
L11[00:43:56] <Rolf> he can afford lossy
company as hes getting so much money from amazon.
L12[00:44:12] <Althego> amazon? you mean
bezos? that is blue origin
L13[00:44:20] <Althego> another thing
completely
L14[00:44:29] <Althego> but they look like
spacex copycats
L15[00:44:35] <Rolf> bah yes
L16[00:44:40] <Rolf> paypal
L17[00:45:10] <Althego> it's business time
is on the electron, launched from new zealand
L18[00:45:25] <Althego> and they have been
pushing it for what, half a year now?
L19[00:45:39] <Rolf> anyway he outright
stated that he dont expect spacex to be profitable at all. he wants
it to work on it research so on
L20[00:45:46] <Rolf> profit later
maybe
L21[00:46:38] <Rolf> cant find anything on
business time
L23[00:47:55] <Rolf> ah interesting
L24[00:48:07] <Althego> you cant not know
about electron
L25[00:50:09] <Rolf> well i didnt lol
L26[00:50:31] <Rolf> nobody knowlede is
perfect
L28[00:51:15] <Althego> lol the launch
statistics chart
L29[00:51:51] <Althego> i didnt know they
had this many booked already
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L32[00:53:20] <Rolf> interesting that 2019
is much shorter
L33[01:21:38] <Draconiator> Tesla can die
in flames and Musk will STILL be making tons of cash with
SpaceX.
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L41[02:19:51] <Arynnia> Thank you KER for
being completely useless
L42[02:20:01] <Arynnia> "Min Safe Alt
7,000.0m"
L43[02:20:09] <Arynnia> > slams into a
mountain at 8.2 km
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L46[02:21:56] <Arynnia> Thanks for costing
me a 60,000 fund probe
L47[02:30:30] <Supernovy> What does
kerbalmaps say?
L48[02:30:43] <Arynnia> Kerbalmaps says
precisely dingle
L49[02:30:49] <Arynnia> Modded body
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L57[02:48:08] <Supernovy> Well, there it
is.
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L70[05:22:30] <Althego> heyayay, what's
going on?
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L79[06:39:47] <kmath> YouTube - Canon
RC-250 Xap Shot: 1988 Video Floppy Disk Camera!
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L81[06:54:22] <Guest32734> hello
L82[06:54:23] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest32734
L83[06:55:28] <Althego> nobody likes
automatic replies. silly bod doesnt help
L84[06:55:32] <Althego> bot
L85[06:56:00] <Guest32734> I have one
question
L86[06:57:00] <Guest32734> what you need to
buy or do to have this ball that you can do maneuvers in
orbit
L87[06:57:45] <Althego> ball? the spherical
cabin?
L88[06:58:01] <Althego> that looks like
vostok?
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L90[07:00:59] <Guest32734> the ball that
appears on the blue line in the space around the kerbin and when
you click it you can add a maneuver. Blue ball
L91[07:01:22] <Althego> ah the maneuver
node?
L92[07:01:41] <Guest32734> yes
L94[07:01:58] <Althego> tracking station
and mission control upgrade
L95[07:02:42] <Guest32734> oh thanks
bro
L96[07:02:44] <Althego> but it is possible
to go to the mun without it
L97[07:03:04] <Althego> the trick is to
start burning when the mun rises in front of you as you orbit
kerbin
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L99[07:03:36] <Althego> in fact i make it a
point in career to go to the mun without those upgrades
L100[07:03:39] <t7yyfghfghv> fhfhfhj
L101[07:03:46] <Guest32734> ok
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L103[07:03:50] <Althego> hehe
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L105[07:04:20] <Althego> finally
ssomething happened
L106[07:04:21] <Fluburtur> "Benjamin
Franklin once ran Bat Boy over with his car to try and kill Bat
Boy, but he sadly survived." reading the jerma wiki is
fun
L107[07:04:50] <Althego> that sentence
contains no meaning for me
L109[07:06:15] <Althego> i have to cut my
hair
L110[07:06:51] <Althego> buzzer. but not
4625 kHz
L111[07:10:36] <oren> if you do the
calculations yourself you can go to the mun without the map
mode
L112[07:13:27] <Fluburtur> uh, I still
need a name for ym rc planes company
L113[07:13:29] <Fluburtur> any
ideas?
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L117[07:50:48] <Althego> ym?
L118[07:50:53] <Althego> my
L119[07:51:49] <Althego> call it λw
L120[07:51:54] <Althego> which is my
upside down
L121[07:52:02] <Althego> or almsot
L122[07:52:40] <Althego> hp once had a sub
company called dy, because it was hp upside down :)
L123[07:53:02] <Fluburtur> lmao
L124[07:53:29] <Althego> HP spun off a
small company, Dynac, to specialize in digital equipment. The name
was picked so that the HP logo "hp" could be turned
upside down to be a reverse reflect image of the logo
"dy" of the new company.
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L134[08:43:16] <darsie> Someone mentioned
1.5. steam installed 1.4.5.
L135[08:44:03] <darsie> I don't have the
corrugated command pod.
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L137[08:46:10] <Althego> 1.5 doesnt even
have a releaserdate yet
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L139[08:59:57] <darsie> ic
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L143[09:37:57] <kmath> YouTube - Circuit
board blasted with 100000 volts gives amazing effect!
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L151[11:15:57] <Althego> i saw that video
already
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L154[11:18:38] <kmath> YouTube - Why
Rocket Exhausts Look The Way They Do
L155[11:19:19] <Althego> didnt se that
yet
L157[11:23:46] <Mat2ch> Looks even better
now
L158[11:23:48] <Mat2ch> :D
L159[11:23:59] <Fluburtur> yeah the nose
art is nice
L160[11:24:05] <Fluburtur> also being able
to fly it correctly helps
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L163[11:38:41] <Mat2ch> less crash, moar
fly?
L164[11:38:48] <Fluburtur> yeah
L165[11:39:07] <Fluburtur> and I managed
to powerslide land it on a field trail
L167[11:41:05] *
Deddly looks at fuel tanks on this ship. Yeah... Fluburtur,
refuelling 150k units of fuel by plane... not going to happen
:P
L168[11:41:16] <Fluburtur> heh
L169[11:41:19] <Althego> hehe
L170[11:41:52] <Deddly> So far I've been
going for more than 7 hours and still have 135k fuel
remaining
L171[11:42:07] <Deddly> I also have a
very, very long way to go
L172[11:42:23] <Fluburtur> yeah the path I
made is rather long
L173[11:42:53] <Deddly> I'm starting to
doubt my guesstimation
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L176[11:43:35] <Fluburtur> yeah
L177[11:43:44] <Deddly> Follow the path
from KSC in the direction the arrows are facing
L178[11:43:51] <Fluburtur> yeah
L179[11:43:55] <Fluburtur> to the
west
L180[11:44:01] <Deddly> I'm right now...
about half way between the first pair of arrows
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L183[11:44:24] <Fluburtur> so south of the
desert?
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L185[11:44:31] <Deddly> Passing the
sand-coloured peninsula
L186[11:44:45] <Fluburtur> you are
catching up to my record fairly quick
L187[11:44:56] <Fluburtur> I stopped at
the little green peninsula just after
L188[11:45:15] <Deddly> F3 says I've
covered nearly 200 km
L189[11:45:24] <Deddly> That's not
much...
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L191[11:45:40] <Fluburtur> oh you mean you
are south of the ksc continent
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L193[11:45:43] <Deddly> Oh right, so I'll
pass you quite soon
L194[11:45:54] <Deddly> ?
L195[11:46:06] <Fluburtur> I had a copy of
the map on which I drawn where I was, would help
L196[11:46:18] <Althego> racing against a
ghost car. or ghost ship
L198[11:46:43] <Fluburtur> that's about
1200km
L199[11:46:56] <Deddly> Yeah OK, so I'm
almost at that point
L200[11:47:08] <Deddly> I mean, I will be
soon.
L201[11:47:35] <Fluburtur> I had a little
captain's log on which I wrote my distance and time between each
refueling
L202[11:47:49] <Deddly> So I have 135k
fuel remaining from 152k maximum
L203[11:48:12] <Deddly> I'm wondering how
far that 135k will get me
L204[11:48:43] <Deddly> I might have to
lower speed, but I'm already only going 25 m/s at 1/3
throttle
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L207[11:51:05] <Fluburtur> I stopped doing
the challenge not long before I built the turbo blender
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L209[11:51:48] <Deddly> Pretty cool.
L210[11:51:48] <Fluburtur> well this means
I will have to restart the challenge if I want to keep my
record
L211[11:52:07] <Althego> hehe
L212[11:52:08] <Deddly> Well yeah, but
we're in different categories
L213[11:52:13] <Fluburtur> I modernized my
submarine, same basica architecture but optimized a bit
L214[11:53:32] <Deddly> OK I'm making an
executive decision to slow down to 1/6th throttle
L215[11:53:49] <Fluburtur> yeah need to
find the best fuel use per distance
L216[11:54:15] <Deddly> The slower the
better, when it comes to boats
L217[11:54:44] <Althego> unless you can
rise above the water
L218[11:55:19] <Deddly> when it comes to
displacement-hulled* boats
L219[11:55:44] <Fluburtur> yeah just go
hydroplanning and you good
L220[11:56:03] <Deddly> Hydroplaning a
ship this size... nah
L221[11:57:45] <Deddly> OK... so dropping
from 1/3 to 1/6 halved my fuel use, of course, whilst losing 28% of
my speed
L222[11:58:07] <Deddly> That should extend
my range considerablt
L223[11:58:11] <Deddly> considerably
L224[11:58:16] <Arynnia> Lol.
L226[12:08:48] <Althego> hehe
L227[12:08:52] <Althego> these historical
photos
L228[12:09:02] <Fluburtur> from 1939
L229[12:09:15] <Althego> in decades it
will be obvious that they are old, because they are 2d only
:)
L231[12:19:54] <Deddly> Fluburtur, I think
my "calculations" were off because I didn't realise what
kind of map projection that was
L232[12:20:09] <Fluburtur> heh
L233[12:20:37] <Fluburtur> I used the f3
menu myself but even then, the results between both distabce
calculation methods and distance between my refueling pods wasn't
the same
L234[12:20:40] <Deddly> It's distorted
towards the poles, but not nearly as much as I was expecting
L235[12:20:54] <Fluburtur> but it was
still kinda easy to count because my sub needed refueling every
100km
L236[12:21:37] <Deddly> At this stage I'm
worried that I might not get back to the same longitude after the
"heart" section
L237[12:21:57] <Deddly> I'm pretty sure I
can get all the way around that "heart" but after that...
I'll be low on fuel
L238[12:22:11] <Deddly> Who knows how far
I'll get. This is what makes it fun :)
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L243[12:41:10] <Deddly> Nice that you
actually decided to go for it, Fluburtur
L244[12:42:18] <Fluburtur> I can only hope
it will work out
L245[12:43:22] <Deddly> Start slow, be
patient. Have it as a hobby that earns a little money to start
with, and gradually build it up until you're at a level you're
satisfied with
L246[12:45:11] <CandyAngel> The "how
much would you pay for the kit" is unclear, because there are
2 kit versions
L247[12:45:30] <Fluburtur> read
again
L248[12:45:37] <Fluburtur> one has
electrnics the other has not
L249[12:45:43] <CandyAngel> Yes
L250[12:45:47] <Fluburtur> but consider it
is without
L251[12:45:53] <CandyAngel> So which kit
is the question further down referring to..
L252[12:46:41] <Fluburtur> without
electronics
L253[12:46:44] <Fluburtur> I changed
that
L254[12:48:44] <CandyAngel> Might also
want to include a currency on the "how much would you
pay"
L255[12:49:27] <Fluburtur> euros or
dollars
L256[12:49:40] <Fluburtur> euros would be
more convenient to me but those are close enough
L257[12:50:41] <Althego> yes without the
currency it is useless to put numbers there
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L259[13:03:22] <Deddly> Yeah I mean I
could have put Swedish Kronor :)
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L261[13:03:36] <Fluburtur> lmao
L262[13:03:47] <Fluburtur> peoples seem to
understand to use dollars as a reference
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L265[13:06:26] <Deddly> Actually... I
should pay you in Venezuelan bolivars.
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L267[13:09:07] <Althego> hehehe
L268[13:09:51] <Althego> there is
syntesized voice in win 10 for hungarian. "microsoft
szabolcs"
L269[13:11:38] <Deddly> Fluburtur, I'll
happily pay you a million for a ready-made one. For real
L270[13:11:59] <Fluburtur> k just
wait
L271[13:12:07] <Fluburtur> im taking a
screenshot of that btw
L272[13:12:22] <Althego> 1 million
venezuelan bolivars
L273[13:12:25] <Deddly> Just make sure you
get my previous line in that screenshot
L274[13:12:52] <Althego> quite cheap
L275[13:13:06] <Althego> less than 4 euros
:)
L276[13:13:13] <Fluburtur> 80000%
inflation
L277[13:13:13] <Fluburtur> nice
L278[13:13:54] <Fluburtur> 3.46€
L279[13:14:10] <Fluburtur> I'll ask you
for 43 billions then
L280[13:15:00] <Althego> hehe
L281[13:18:17] <Deddly> Nono, you agreed
already
L282[13:18:31] <Deddly> <Deddly>
Fluburtur, I'll happily pay you a million for a ready-made one. For
real
L283[13:18:32] <Deddly> <Fluburtur>
k just wait
L284[13:18:37] <Deddly> I'll wait
L285[13:18:44] <Althego> luckily this is
not a binding agreement
L286[13:18:46] <Fluburtur> well you didn't
specify which currency either
L287[13:18:55] <Fluburtur> I can just edit
whatever in there
L288[13:18:55] <Althego> yes he did
L289[13:19:00] <Althego> in the previous
line
L290[13:19:03] <Fluburtur> so it will be
british pounds
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L295[13:40:29] <KillSwitch> Whoa cool KSP
channel, didn't know there was one :D
L296[13:40:52] <Althego> actual
conversation may vary
L297[13:41:06] <Fluburtur> we rarely talk
about ksp
L298[13:41:27] <Fluburtur> more like,
Scott's hairstlye and crap
L299[13:41:32] <Althego> lol
L300[13:41:40] <KillSwitch> lol
L301[13:41:42] <UmbralRaptor> It's the one
true hairstyle
L302[13:41:43] <Althego> we dont talk
about that, he doesnt even have hair
L303[13:42:41] <KillSwitch> If there's
actually conversation present it's an anomaly among many channels
these days it seems
L304[13:43:07] <Althego> at least there is
something sometimes here
L305[13:43:38] <Althego> the discord is
unbearably spamming though
L306[13:49:54] <KillSwitch> It seems a lot
of the stuff I find these days and forums regarding anything KSP is
somewhat older, a lot of forums don't seem to be so current even
the wikis I've found seem largely geared for earlier versions of
ksp, I guess it's just nice to find a place where people are still
actively playing and talking about the game if even if it's not
much
L307[13:54:17] <Deddly> There's no
official discord channel
L308[13:54:33] <Deddly> Also, hi
KillSwitch!
L309[13:54:38] <JVFoxy> yo
L310[13:54:51] <KillSwitch> Howdy
Deddly
L311[13:54:58] <JVFoxy> ya.. sometimse I
find when I search for some things, a lot of it tends to be a bit
dated.
L312[13:55:21] <Althego> even this is
barely official
L313[13:55:23] <Althego> in name
only
L314[13:55:28] <Deddly> It's true that it
can be quiet in here, but contrary to what these guys say, there is
actually a fair amount of KSP talk when there is somethiing to say
:P
L315[13:55:48] <Deddly> Althego, this is
the official KSP channel, not in name only
L316[13:55:53] <KillSwitch> Yeah, it's
like coming up on Scott Manly videos from early pre 1.0 KSP days
and wondering if any of it still even holds remotely accurate these
days
L317[13:55:56] <JVFoxy> Just bring
something up, sure couple of people wouldn't having something to
talk about
L318[13:56:17] <Deddly>
Squad/TakeTwo/Private Division/whoever they are these days own this
channel
L319[13:56:22] <Althego> Deddly: cant
convince me until a dev holds regular sessions every week
L320[13:56:30] *
UmbralRaptor should probably look over some of the wiki
guides
L321[13:56:31] <JVFoxy> <-currently
checking out to see how much his mis-match antenna can pickup
satellite stuff on 2m band
L322[13:56:40] <Deddly> Althego, devs
don't even do that on the forum
L323[13:56:53] <Deddly> JPLRepo might say
something here from time to time, though
L324[13:56:58] <UmbralRaptor> Althego: I
think Harv was in here like once ever. =\
L325[13:56:58] <Althego> or do
anything
L326[13:57:16] <Althego> scott used to
hang out here and talk once every 3 months
L327[13:57:20] *
Deddly away for a bit
L328[13:57:46] <KillSwitch> for starts I
am trying to build something capable of Minmus landing
L329[13:58:08] <Althego> that is around
the easiest landing you could have
L330[13:58:20] <JVFoxy> ack.. shut my
radio client down just as one of hte danish sats was blurpting out.
oh well
L331[13:58:23] <KillSwitch> I did a flyby
which I was surprised was as easy as it was to get from mun to
minmus
L332[13:58:45] <KillSwitch> I just
remember having tried a landing on mun and it was not so easy for
me to do with a prebuilt lander
L333[13:59:12] <JVFoxy> sigh... I should
probably work on video for a test base I was going to do last week
or so ago
L334[13:59:21] <KillSwitch> now I am
trying to build it myself in career mode with not a ton of the
r&d science tree unlocked
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L336[14:01:00] <KillSwitch> I have almost
all of the first 5 tiers unlocked but no more...only missing a few
things from the 5th, I think the small rocket engines will be
key
L337[14:01:01] <UmbralRaptor> KillSwitch:
the good news is that aside from the slight orbital inclination,
Minmus is easier.
L338[14:01:25] <KillSwitch> @Umbral,
that's what I've heard and why I'm trying it
L339[14:01:48] <KillSwitch> Much lower
gravity, right
L340[14:02:31] <Althego> also totally
smooth plains
L341[14:02:46] <KillSwitch> Orbital
inclination was no problem, I was surprised I remembered about
ascending and descending nodes and all that, slight burn was easy
enough to bring me around Minmus
L342[14:03:23] <KillSwitch> Pretty light
delta v requirements for landing and return?
L343[14:04:08] <UmbralRaptor> Yeah, like
300-400 m/s instead of 900 m/s.
L345[14:05:22] <KillSwitch> Yeah, I think
I had that one already, been a while since I looked at it but it is
a good reference to have
L346[14:06:16] <KillSwitch> Delta v for me
was always an after thought, I definitely understand it and as I
get more into the game I am becoming ever more forced to consider
it sooner rather than later in my designs lol
L347[14:06:33] <UmbralRaptor> :D
L348[14:07:56] <KillSwitch> Still I'd be
lying if I said it makes complete sense to me, between that and TWR
I'm pretty well confounded on making really good fuel efficient
designs
L349[14:08:09] <JVFoxy> while minmus might
be easier... sure takes a bit of time to get out there and
back
L350[14:08:27] <KillSwitch> JVFoxy, boy
aint that the truth
L351[14:08:29] <JVFoxy> not that kerbals
mind.. some even spend years stuck in a spacesuit just floating
about on their own :\
L352[14:08:50] <Althego> i usually go to
minmus on an escape trajectory
L353[14:08:57] <Althego> shaves days
off
L354[14:09:03] <Althego> with bit of delta
v
L355[14:09:38] <KillSwitch> I think I
clocked my minmus flyby at taking like 90 days but then it was even
more after I got back was worried about my reentry speed and had to
wait for like a dozen Kerbin aerobrake orbits
L356[14:09:40] <JVFoxy> I do'nt mind the
mun..
L357[14:09:56] <JVFoxy> figured.. if I can
land and return from mun, same stuff can be used to do a minmus
run
L358[14:12:04] <KillSwitch> Wonder what
the longest trip in KSP would take like going out to Eeloo and
back
L359[14:12:22] <KillSwitch> that's gotta
be a seriously stupidly long trip
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L361[14:12:35] <KillSwitch> and like
sitting on the fast forward warp
L362[14:12:39] <Althego> going to moho is
harder and faster. going to eeloo is just slower
L363[14:12:51] <Althego> the game treally
needs one higehr warp factor
L364[14:13:17] <JVFoxy> KillSwitch about
4.5 years one way on Hoffman transfer
L365[14:13:37] <KillSwitch> as much as
it's come along and for all the good things that have been added
and fixed I was surprised at some of how buggy it still is
L366[14:14:19] <KillSwitch> mainly the
VAB/SH
L367[14:14:30] <KillSwitch> parts still
can glitch together
L368[14:14:52] <KillSwitch> I couldn't
merge a couple spacecraft today, not sure why
L369[14:15:20] <Althego> be happy that
there is a merge
L370[14:15:20] <KillSwitch> somethings are
still really more painful to do and put together than they should
be
L371[14:15:24] <Althego> lot more usable
than the subassembly
L372[14:15:30] <Althego> although that may
work a bit better
L373[14:16:03] <KillSwitch> not sure about
that, haven't used that function
L374[14:16:27] <Althego> that is last
resort if the merge doesnt work
L375[14:16:32] <Althego> needs lot more
clicking and dragging
L376[14:17:08] <KillSwitch> hmm, my
aircraft still isn't complex enough that if worse comes to worst
that I can't just go and hack something together...still..
L377[14:17:29] <KillSwitch> Would be nice
to know how to avoid that if needed
L378[14:17:44] <Althego> i need to get
back to the packed wing design and finally get it to laythe
L379[14:19:04] <KillSwitch> Like my rocket
top called Just the Tip, want to obviously reuse that whole part on
various rockets as a top stage (capsule, science jr, parachutes and
thermal fairing)
L380[14:19:54] <KillSwitch> Will be wild
when I finally get out of the Kerbin SOI and start exploring other
more interesting worlds
L381[14:21:27] <KillSwitch> I think my
minmus vehicle will be called Mincraft (I'm nothing if not
original)
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L385[14:42:51] <Arynnia> Is there a KSP
Discord ?
L386[14:43:27] <Arynnia> Just out of
curiosity
L387[14:43:35] <Althego> there is
something
L388[14:43:40] <Althego> once soebody
linked it
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L391[14:55:06] <oren> LANDING GEEEEAAAAAR
NOOOOOOO
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L393[14:59:33] <JVFoxy> derp?
L394[15:01:53] <KillSwitch>
herpaderp
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L396[15:02:24] <KillSwitch> Trying my
minmus landing now
L397[15:02:54] <JVFoxy> just wondering
what was wrong with landing gears
L398[15:03:14] <Althego> either exploding
or jumping
L399[15:03:36] <KillSwitch> Does it make
sense to use a gravity assist from Mun to shoot towards Minmus or
does it really depend on orbital alignment or what, all that
usually confused me
L400[15:03:45] <Althego> not really
L401[15:03:54] <Althego> makes it a lot
harder and you can win something like 30 m/s
L402[15:04:19] <KillSwitch> Cool, will
scrap that idea then
L403[15:05:07] <KillSwitch> Delta V wont
be a problem getting there for sure, shouldn't be getting back
either but as I haven't tried a landing yet I should attempt to be
somewhat efficient with fuel
L404[15:06:15] <JVFoxy> just careful on
coming back, you don't go too deep into the atmos if you going to
use it to help slow down
L405[15:06:32] <Althego> yes, use heat
shield, or 45-50 km periapsis
L406[15:07:11] <KillSwitch> I saw a video,
guy came in with nothing but a chair and a rocket lol
L407[15:07:24] <Althego> if it is light
enough
L408[15:07:33] <Althego> slowes down fast
and no overheat
L409[15:08:03] <KillSwitch> and jumped
into the water....nvm that in real life a 50m/s plunge into water
would rip anyone to shreds lol
L410[15:08:23] <Althego> not very good in
ksp either
L411[15:08:41] <Althego> you can survive
lad crashes by the destroyed parts slowing you down. no such luck
in water
L412[15:09:03] <KillSwitch> Somehow I
guess he survived it, didn't kill Jeb lol
L413[15:09:26] <Althego> even i had a
minmus return where i crashed into th e water and the craft was
destroyed, only the pilot survived
L414[15:11:23] <JVFoxy> even with
heatshield, can you still overload it before it runs out?
L415[15:11:27] <KillSwitch> I had to do
the math, that's hitting the water at 102mph
L416[15:11:44] <KillSwitch> it would still
be a rather hard surface at those speeds lol
L417[15:12:11] <Althego> i usually go with
1/3 or so ablator
L418[15:12:14] <Althego> still a lot to
spare
L419[15:12:41] <JVFoxy> think places like
Duna it takes a lot more because of thinner atmos
L420[15:12:47] <KillSwitch> I am still not
so good at my reentries, best way to make sure to not have too much
heat coming in?
L421[15:13:12] <KillSwitch> Not sure where
to position periapsis on reentry
L422[15:13:27] <JVFoxy> after a while, you
get a feeling for things
L423[15:13:47] <JVFoxy> if I'm already in
75x75 orbit... I sent down to 36km
L424[15:13:53] <Althego> duna is a quasi
no heatshield zone
L425[15:14:05] <Althego> almsot no
heating
L426[15:14:25] <Azander> eve... take 2
normally for me.
L427[15:14:32] <KillSwitch> It's like
there's a middle layer sweet spot am I right on that?
L428[15:14:33] <Althego> inflatable or
nothing
L429[15:14:51] <Althego> in eve, there is
the middle layer you die instantly if you mess up spot :)
L430[15:14:52] <JVFoxy> if you can spare
the fuel, slowing down before hitting air can help a bit too but
careful you don't also cause your periapsis to come down too
low
L431[15:14:55] <KillSwitch> Too low is
like too much drag too fast and too high is really too much time
spent burning up
L432[15:16:34] <KillSwitch> So just inside
the upper layers of atmosphere? 50-55k?
L433[15:17:15] <KillSwitch> I take it it's
also somewhat velocity specific so maybe a chart would be useful
lol
L434[15:17:40] <JVFoxy> ya careful with
velocity...
L435[15:17:55] <JVFoxy> usually coming in
from higher orbit, means you'll be coming in faster by the time you
get down low
L436[15:18:00] <Althego> becareful with
that long pointy vector, you might hurt somebody
L437[15:24:29] <KillSwitch> I thought
about that too...I was wondering if it makes sense to try to plan
landings around pe or ap of orbit...
L438[15:25:51] <KillSwitch> bc velocity is
always highest at pe does it make sense to try to use the ap of the
orbit to land... I mean I guess by nature you will always land at
the pe by definition
L439[15:26:25] <Althego> how would you
land when you are the farthest away from land?
L440[15:26:53] <KillSwitch> Right...in
some funny way in my head what I was saying made sense
L441[15:26:55] <KillSwitch> lamo
L442[15:27:01] <KillSwitch> oh well
L443[15:27:30] <KillSwitch> A really big
ladder? >:-D
L444[15:27:49] <Althego> that reminds me,
does the ladder drive still work?
L445[15:28:04] <Althego> i asked it a few
days ago, nobody replied
L447[15:28:46] <kmath> YouTube - To the
Mun and Back with a Ladder! | KSP
L448[15:29:33] <KillSwitch> I know nothing
of it
L449[15:30:37] <KillSwitch> haha
L450[15:30:40] <KillSwitch> That's
rad
L451[15:30:48] <KillSwitch> funky KSP
physics ftw
L452[15:30:57] <KillSwitch> I guess that's
easy enough to test
L453[15:31:18] <KillSwitch> I would be
surprised if it still did but now I want to try that for sure
lol
L454[15:31:49] <Althego> there was a newer
one by scott (also called the manley drive)
L455[15:31:59] <KillSwitch> Hmmm are those
battery packs on the "craft"?
L456[15:32:00] <Althego> with different
phantom force
L457[15:32:05] <Althego> yes
L458[15:32:13] <KillSwitch> What're the
batteries for
L459[15:32:21] <KillSwitch> Maybe I didn't
watch enough yet
L460[15:32:23] <Althego> for the probe
core
L461[15:32:31] <Althego> the probe rotates
the craft
L462[15:32:34] <Althego> the kerbal pushes
it
L464[15:32:51] <kmath> YouTube -
Exploiting Kerbal Physics To Make 'Impossible' Gyroscope
Drive
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L467[15:36:18] <KillSwitch> oh so there's
actually a part there the probe core...I dont think I have that in
my r&d tree yet
L468[15:36:49] <Althego> you dont need a
core for a test
L469[15:36:56] <Althego> just 4 legs a
ladder and a kerbal
L470[15:37:29] <KillSwitch> and some part
at the top for him to basically walk into?
L472[15:37:33] <kmath> YouTube - Jebstein
Drive 1.1
L473[15:37:55] <Althego> yes, that is the
main point
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L489[16:22:50] <KillSwitch> Ugh I'm sure I
did this series of burns very inefficiently...
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L491[16:24:33] <KillSwitch> Mun was in the
way, but I managed to still get to minmus but according to the dV
map I'm over, used at least 1100+ dV to shoot a trajectory towards
Minmus then for some reason had to use a bunch more to slow down
and get minmus approach
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L495[16:26:18] <kmath> UmbralRaptor: I'll
let scolar_visari know when I see them
L496[16:26:29] <KillSwitch> and what's
confounding me is retrograde burn makes my pe go higher and
prograde lower....
L497[16:26:58] <KillSwitch> Not sure why,
if that's a bad sign or not or something else going on
L498[16:27:37] <KillSwitch> at least
according to the maneuver node
L499[16:28:50] <UmbralRaptor> Depends on
if the burn ended up swapping ap and pe?
L500[16:30:39] <KillSwitch> Oh I guess it
did
L501[16:31:09] <KillSwitch> I am at the Ap
instead of Pe at close point on approach
L502[16:31:10] <KillSwitch> wait
L503[16:31:16] <KillSwitch> how the hell
does that work
L504[16:31:28] <KillSwitch> I must've done
my burn really wrong
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L506[16:32:49] <KillSwitch> nvm I'm
confused maneuver node is sitting right on the Pe on my approach
path that overlaid it with an Ap I was seeing lol
L507[16:33:33] <KillSwitch> still confused
by the fact retro burn brings the Pe up and vice versa
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L509[16:38:04] <KillSwitch> lol
yup...wasted a ton, I got to a split second before my orbit with
minmus was going to be established, 33.7m/s away from having an
orbit and I ran out of fuel in my last stage...last time I did a
mun fly by and minmus flyby and still had enough fuel to get home
and then some
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L511[16:38:50] <KillSwitch> although I
didn't slow down to orbit the last time that shouldn't have
required that much fuel
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L539[18:26:45] <senray> Do 1.4.3 mods
generally work with 1.4.5?
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L544[18:35:42] <UmbralRaptor> I think
so?
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L546[18:40:37] <senray> I'm glad a 1.4.5
FAR came out, but man I do not get why Squad posts funny pics of
the shitty stock aerodynamics and refuses to fix it
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L549[18:42:13] <senray> whoops, forgot
what channel I was in , sorry UmbralRaptor
L550[18:42:35] <UmbralRaptor> okay
L551[18:43:22] <UmbralRaptor> post 1.0
aero is more realistic, but still has lots of weirdness.
L552[18:45:11] <senray> It's just so weird
they didn't fix it, or license it from Ferram
L553[18:45:55] <senray> Like, I don't know
if it's laziness, cheapness, or the all-too-common fallacy of
trying to appeal to non-existent casual audiences
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L555[18:46:27] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L558[18:48:18] <JVFoxy> 'non-existent
casual audience' ........
L559[18:49:40] <Supernovy> If they started
playing the game before they discovered it, they'd be a non-causal
existent audience.
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L563[18:52:11] <senray> lol
L564[18:52:42] <senray> It's pretty
common, IMO, for game devs think they'll make more money by going
for casuals and then realizing their core audience was their
audience
L565[18:53:16] <JVFoxy> I just play for
fun... then again, I already fly real planes
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L568[18:53:53] <senray> If I wasn't
already about to spend all my money on law school, I'd get a PPL
lol
L569[18:55:07] <JVFoxy> I went
ultralights...
L570[18:55:18] <senray> ultralights or
LSA?
L571[18:55:18] <JVFoxy> canadian version
is a little different than US
L572[18:55:47] <senray> Do your planes run
on 100LL, or maple syrup?
L573[18:55:57] <JVFoxy> sort of a blend up
here, if it doesn't still over a certain speed, weight under a
certain amount, your golden
L574[18:56:03] <JVFoxy> *stall
L575[18:56:13] <senray> huh
L576[18:56:18] <senray> What do you
fly?
L577[18:56:31] <JVFoxy> peh... not sure on
syrup, but interesting to try it on cooking oil though
L578[18:56:48] <senray> heh, yeah.
Biodiesel is cool
L579[18:56:56] <JVFoxy> School has a Rans
Coyote.. also one of hte isntructor's own planes.
L580[18:57:20] <senray> Never heard of
that before
L581[18:57:33] <JVFoxy> think they now
have to Rans... one of hte guys crashed the original, they picked
up a second. Last I was over, he was fixing the first one up so it
could fly again
L582[18:57:33] <senray> I took lessons in
a 172
L583[18:57:43] <JVFoxy> *two.. dang
typing
L584[18:57:59] <senray> huh
L585[18:58:10] <senray> IIRC, the school
has a Tomahawk too
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L589[19:06:21] <JVFoxy> Its a Rans Coyote
S6 <trying to find a pic but a lot of them pretty
small>
L591[19:07:58] <senray> huh
L592[19:08:04] <JVFoxy> similar.. just
different colors.
L593[19:08:09] <senray> If it had bigger
tires, I'd say it looks like a bush plane
L594[19:09:23] <JVFoxy> some do..
L595[19:15:04] <JVFoxy> School has, last I
was there, a Foxbat as well
L596[19:15:18] <JVFoxy> trying to figure
out what plane Ben owns and uses for flight instruction
L597[19:16:13] <JVFoxy> ah.. Ikarus
C42
L598[19:17:49] <UmbralRaptor> Is… is…
there another plane called a Foxbat?
L600[19:20:04] <kmath> YouTube - A22
Foxbat Advanced Short Take Off
L601[19:20:06] <senray> This plane?
L603[19:21:38] <JVFoxy> ya pretty much
same aircraft, our's with a slightly different engine cowl though.
Our's also slightly brighter yellow
L604[19:23:12] <JVFoxy> err.. well I guess
most of htem some dirty yellow color
L605[19:25:01] <JVFoxy> oh heh.. video
of.. well Ben is paralyzed from the waist down, he's one of our
instructors. Flys the C42
L606[19:25:13] *
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МиГ-25
L607[19:25:38] <JVFoxy> nah.. not hte
fighter
L608[19:25:40] <JVFoxy> ultralight
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L610[19:27:13] <JVFoxy> 25.... ooh.. mig
vs su 25... I sent a friend a model of a Frogfoot fighter (1/72
scale) a while back.
L611[19:29:07] <JVFoxy> anyways..gotta
run
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L618[19:53:53] <MARS18> Hello
everyone
L619[19:54:04] <MARS18> I got a
question
L620[19:55:32] <Supernovy> Ask away.
L621[19:55:39] <MARS18> Is there a rss
patch for ksp 1.4.5
L622[19:55:53] <MARS18> Just curious
L623[19:57:04] <MARS18> ?
L624[19:57:35] <MARS18> I'll take the
silence as a no then
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L641[21:17:37] <oren> Wait, are the
fairings supposed to be semitransparent?
L644[21:19:40] <JVFoxy> maybe new tech..
metal so thin but strong, you can sorta see through :)
L645[21:19:50] <JVFoxy> Or maybe its just
made out of fabric
L646[21:29:17] <UmbralRaptor> stab stab
stabbity stab stab
L647[21:50:18] <oren> OK, encouraging
signs that my plan of reusing the mun lander from the previous
mission will work
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L649[21:52:59] <MARS18> Hello again
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L654[21:54:41] <JVFoxy> ....
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L656[21:55:23] <oren> sucess, jebediah has
recovered it and docked it to the new mothership
L657[21:59:56] <oren> this time, I will
need to somehow recover the lander on kerbin
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L672[23:05:42] <senray> Anyone ever have
KSP not load any parts
L673[23:07:26] <Draconiator> Never
happenned to me.
L674[23:08:42] <senray> getting this in
the log for a bunch of parts "Cannot find Part of type
'PartTapIn'"
L675[23:11:11] <JVFoxy> anyone play KSP
while having dual screens and game on just one?
L676[23:12:43] <senray> it's only loading
struts
L677[23:13:32] <JVFoxy> sorry... strut
your stuff
L678[23:16:54] <senray> lol
L679[23:17:44] <senray> hmm....so they
aren't even getting in the part databse cfg
L680[23:17:49] <JVFoxy> anyways.. was
asking about dual screens as I found a problem... at least if you
using dual screens and also have older copies of KSP
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L683[23:22:30] <senray> maybe some sort of
permissions garbage...
L684[23:22:58] <JVFoxy> what os?
L685[23:24:23] <senray> win 10
L686[23:24:25] <senray> er 7
L687[23:24:28] <senray> win 7
L688[23:26:02] <JVFoxy> guessing steam
install?
L689[23:26:05] <senray> nope
L690[23:26:10] <senray> zip
L691[23:26:26] <senray> i never use steam
when I can avoid it lol
L692[23:26:38] <JVFoxy> oh zip..
L693[23:26:52] <JVFoxy> that case.. my
guess stuff isn't getting placed in proper places then
L694[23:26:58] <JVFoxy> stock right?
L695[23:27:14] <senray> a bunch of mods
too. But they're all 1.4 compatible
L696[23:27:49] <JVFoxy> ok wouldn't know
about mods.. more concerned if your stock parts aren't showing
up
L697[23:27:59] <senray> those aren't
showing either
L698[23:29:48] <JVFoxy> you should have a
folder says gamedata.. in that should at least be squad
folder
L699[23:30:33] <senray> all thats
their
L700[23:31:35] <JVFoxy> go into them till
you see actual files..? I never installed through zip.. it was
uncompresed with folders, just drag drop
L701[23:32:11] <senray> yeah, the actual
files are there
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L703[23:32:47] <JVFoxy> maybe a mod... ? I
don't know what you've got
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L706[23:47:37] <JVFoxy> eh..
L707[23:47:43] <JVFoxy> who knows about
websites?
L708[23:48:12] <Althego> they are among
the most horrible things humans have come up with
L709[23:48:41] <JVFoxy> I can pull a ping
and traceroute but... when I go to it with browser, just times
out.. guessing some kinda 'issue'?
L710[23:51:14] <Althego> ping and
traceroute doesnt say anything about the state of the http
server
L711[23:52:30] <senray> guess i'll try
halving....
L713[23:58:01] <Althego> which what