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L1[00:00:54] <Blaank> Neat, air leak on
ISS.
L2[00:04:35] <Blaank> I did not know the ISS
ships up water and nitrogen and vents methane.
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L4[00:05:12] <Blaank> The water provides the
oxygen and the hydrogen reacts with carbon dioxide to make methane
and more oxygen.
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L9[00:54:18] <petti> I hope the methane
vented is farts
L10[01:01:13] <mr_flea> I'll vent methane
on you
L11[01:01:50] *
RyanKnack ignites mr_flea
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L34[03:23:48] <Apexseals> wow
L35[03:23:51] <Apexseals> apparently the
leak on the ISS
L36[03:23:54] <Apexseals> was caused by
debris
L37[03:24:08] <Apexseals> possibly
micrometeorite
L38[03:24:15] <Apexseals> i'd say debris is
more likely
L39[03:32:03] <NightHawk043> At the speeds
of impact doesn't really matter what it is, micrometeorite, or
debris
L40[03:32:26] <NightHawk043> a fleck of
paint can do a lot of damage
L41[03:32:53] <NightHawk043> but I am
amused that the solution is still one of the two engineers
classics
L42[03:33:00] <NightHawk043> aka, duct
tape
L43[03:36:22] <NightHawk043> That said,
it's a good thing the leak is in what I assume is the orbital
module of the soyuz.
L44[03:36:36] <NightHawk043> Could be a lot
worse if it was in the descent module
L45[03:48:51] <sandbox> they were all
asleep at the time?
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L47[03:56:19] <Briton88> Hey!
L48[03:56:38] <sandbox> no
L49[03:57:38] <Blaank> spammer
L50[03:57:43] <Blaank> You guys need to
+s
L51[03:57:46] <Blaank> really
L52[03:58:24] <Blaank> It does fix the
problem. Till then. I'm out. Keep getting spammed.
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L64[04:53:33] <Deddly> That was a short
nap
L65[05:07:31] <NightHawk043> Today while
trying to resolve a bug in my game that seemed to be related to a
specific new mod, I came across a new term I'd never heard
before.
L66[05:07:50] <NightHawk043> See, when I
tried to find the bug, it had apparently fixed itself, with no
intervention from me
L67[05:08:01] <NightHawk043> Turns out this
is called a "Heisenbug"
L68[05:08:13] <NightHawk043> I'd always
called them transient bugs, but I like this term now
L69[05:08:39] <Deddly> Huh, nice
L70[05:09:10] <NightHawk043> Relating to
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principal, it means any bug that seemingly
ceases to exist when one attempts to observe it
L71[05:09:32] <Deddly> NightHawk043,
yesterday we had a spambot that reported its own spam post. I think
I'll call it the Heisenbot
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L73[05:09:46] <NightHawk043> ahah
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L75[05:10:56] <Deddly> Actually sounds like
the most difficult kind of bug, to be honest
L76[05:11:27] <Deddly> Negative quantum
existence. It ceases to exist when observed
L77[05:11:27] <NightHawk043> There are ways
around it, but they're certainly a pain to try to isolate and
fix
L78[05:11:48] <NightHawk043> I don't think
an "Angelbug" has the same ring though
L79[05:12:14] <darsie> Do photons cease to
exist when observed?
L80[05:12:28] <Deddly> darsie, no...
L81[05:12:39] <NightHawk043> In some ways,
yes Deddly
L82[05:12:58] <darsie> true. The survive
scattering and reflection, e.g. with solar sails.
L83[05:13:34] <NightHawk043> In that when
you try to observe light acting as particles (eg photons),
suddenly, it acts purely as a wave
L84[05:15:17] <NightHawk043> See the double
slit experiment as an example
L86[05:21:39] <kmath> YouTube - Laser pulse
shooting through a bottle and visualized at a trillion frames per
second
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L88[05:24:14] <NightHawk043> I dislike that
kind of thing, because you're effectively visualising 750 or so
different laser pulses
L89[05:24:44] <NightHawk043> (approximately
25 seconds of final speed footage @ 30fps)
L90[05:26:40] <NightHawk043> assuming one
picture taken per pulse at increasing picosecond intervals
L91[05:27:22] <NightHawk043> though it is
impressive to be able to get that timing so exact, so I wonder if
they do it a lot more than that number of times, then just pick the
ones that happen to be closest to that
L92[05:28:50] <NightHawk043> "We use
an indirect 'stroboscopic' method that combines millions of
repeated measurements by careful scanning in time and
viewpoints."
L93[05:29:09] <NightHawk043> I should have
read the description haha
L94[05:29:18] <NightHawk043> but my
hypothesis was correct anyway
L95[05:30:46] <Deddly> Well, to be fair,
they never claimed to actually film at a trillion frames per
second. The media did that
L97[05:30:54] <kmath> YouTube - Visualizing
video at the speed of light — one trillion frames per second
L98[05:31:20] <Deddly> Right in the
begining he says it's a "virtual slow-motion
camera"
L99[05:31:58] <NightHawk043> Oh, you
misunderstand me. I'm aware that he was completely upfront about
it. It's also a very cool way of visualising something
L100[05:33:54] <NightHawk043> My dislike
is for the fact that the behaviour we see isn't of one pulse, but
rather a large number, so we can't really judge about the
scattering in the same way
L101[05:35:24] <Deddly> I think that in
order to see the scattering at all, the scattering will have to be
identical for each exposure
L102[05:35:53] <Deddly> There might be a
few outliers but we don't see them in the results
L103[05:36:47] <NightHawk043> But that's
exactly my point. We're only able to see the select few results
that show the beam scattering photons to the camera at the exact
moment the shot is taken
L104[05:37:08] <NightHawk043> i.e. we're
seeing the outliers, rather than the bulk
L105[05:38:14] <NightHawk043> I mean, by
definition, when looking at the beam's path, we can only see that
which is scattered
L106[05:38:28] <Deddly> How's that?
L107[05:38:55] <Deddly> Oh I think I see
what you mean
L108[05:39:00] <NightHawk043> well, the
camera records photons that enter it when it's shutter is
open
L109[05:39:24] <NightHawk043> the bulk of
the laser beam is sending photons tangential to the camera
L110[05:39:36] <NightHawk043> we can only
see the ones that get redirected towards the camera
L111[05:40:31] <Deddly> True
L112[05:40:43] <NightHawk043> Now, as the
beams power increases, provided it is being fired through
atmosphere, the probability of scattering rises
L113[05:40:57] <NightHawk043> this is why
there's problems with weaponised lasers by the way
L114[05:41:09] <NightHawk043> exponential
powerloss as the beam power increases
L115[05:41:59] <NightHawk043> But yeah,
they would have taken millions of shots, then selected the ones
which had scattering at the appropriate place, to view the progress
of the beam
L116[05:42:11] <Deddly> And, of course,
that's why we can see the beam of lasers in the visible
spectrum.
L117[05:42:34] <NightHawk043> well, no
:/
L118[05:42:46] <Deddly> Scattering
L119[05:43:00] <NightHawk043> you can see
the beam of lasers in the visible spectrum, because the photons
it's emitting are in the visible spectrum
L120[05:43:13] <NightHawk043> doesn't
matter how much an x-ray laser scatters, you will never see it with
your eyes
L121[05:43:19] <Deddly> They scatter from
particles in the air
L122[05:43:31] <NightHawk043> oh wait,
ahah, i misunderstood you
L123[05:43:32] <NightHawk043> yeah
L124[05:43:44] <Deddly> A green laser in
space is invisible
L125[05:43:47] <NightHawk043> that's why
you can see the beam of lasers that are in the visible
spectrum
L126[05:43:50] <NightHawk043>
Exactly!
L127[05:43:54] <Deddly> :)
L128[05:44:35] <NightHawk043>
incidentally, that's why we wouldn't be able to intercept laser
communications between other ships or planets in space, unless they
were aimed at us
L129[05:44:38] <Deddly>
Heisenphotons
L130[05:44:44] <NightHawk043> because we
can't see the beam unless we pass into it
L131[05:45:16] <Deddly> Good point
L132[05:45:36] <NightHawk043> we might be
able to see it, if some scattering was forced
L133[05:45:54] <NightHawk043> say a cloud
of ice particles
L134[05:46:05] <NightHawk043> sort of like
a laser in a smokey room
L135[05:46:31] <NightHawk043> but again,
has to be inside the path of the beam
L136[05:46:39] <NightHawk043> which is
hard for us to personally do
L137[05:46:45] <Deddly> Assuming you don't
have some ridiculously-sensitive instrument that can detect the
occasional photon that scatters from a hydrogen atom here and
there
L138[05:46:59] <NightHawk043> but if you
did, how would that help
L139[05:47:11] <NightHawk043> you'd have
to distinguish it from the background particles that are Always
flying around
L140[05:47:18] <Deddly> Indeed
L141[05:48:16] <Deddly> Maybe you could
observe some scattering around the laser aperture itself, if it's
in your field of view?
L142[05:49:41] <NightHawk043> I think
you'd probably have better luck looking at the receptor rather than
the transmittor
L143[05:50:03] <NightHawk043> a slight
increase in the photons bouncing from the planet itself
L144[05:50:24] <NightHawk043> after all, a
particle beam of that strength would still have significant spread
over multiple light-years
L145[05:50:31] <NightHawk043>
probably
L146[05:50:45] <Deddly> I was thinking
ship-to-ship communications.
L147[05:51:22] <NightHawk043> hmm, again,
possibly, if you knew where to look for the receiving ship
L148[05:51:47] <NightHawk043> I mean, as
an example though, look up the size of the beam of the best lasers
we have by the time they reach the moon.
L149[05:51:53] <Deddly> If you're
communicating across light years of space, then yeah, the beam
would be massive by the time it reaches its destination
L150[05:52:14] <NightHawk043> yeah
L151[05:52:24] <Deddly> Yup, most lasers
will have a bean several km across by the time it reaches the
moon
L152[05:52:27] <NightHawk043> hmm, i think
xkcd did something on lasers over large distances
L153[05:52:29] <Deddly> beam
L155[05:52:41] <NightHawk043> muahah
L156[05:52:53] <Deddly> I love that
one
L157[05:54:18] <Deddly> Also, I have that
1W laser he links to in the begining
L158[05:56:10] <NightHawk043> You know
what's funny though? Originally this started by me mentioning a new
term for a transient programming bug.
L159[05:57:38] <Deddly> Heisentopic
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L161[06:08:14] <NightHawk043> anyone else
add roll-cages to their rovers?
L163[06:10:09] <NightHawk043> really saves
the solar panels, antennae etc when you invariably take a little
tumble in low-g
L164[06:11:00] <Deddly> Very nice
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L167[06:26:27] <Eddi|zuHause>
<NightHawk043> You know what's funny though? Originally this
started by me mentioning a new term for a transient programming
bug. <-- is it "new" if it started to exist only once
you knew about it?
L168[06:26:55] <NightHawk043> Very good
point. That was an error on my part
L169[06:26:59] <Eddi|zuHause> because that
word/usage is probably like 50 years old ;)
L170[06:27:33] <NightHawk043> yeah, I
should have said "mentioning a term I was previously unaware
of"
L171[06:28:18] <NightHawk043> How about a
Higgs-Bugson. That must be a little newer?
L172[06:29:15] <NightHawk043> a bug that’s
hypothetically predicted to exist based on other conditions, but is
difficult to produce
L173[06:29:51] <Eddi|zuHause> there's also
"Bohrbug" and "Schrödingbug"
L174[06:30:16] <Eddi|zuHause> although i
forgot the exact definition for those
L175[06:30:29] <NightHawk043> A Bohrbug is
a nice bug to have
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L177[06:30:58] <NightHawk043> manifests
reliably under well defined conditions
L178[06:31:44] <Eddi|zuHause> i have a
higgs-bug in a program i wrote recently. i can prove its existence
in a theoretical way, but i have not managed to trigger it
L179[06:32:09] <NightHawk043> I believe a
Schrödinbug (no second g) only manifests when someone debugging a
section of code realises that the code should never have worked in
the first place
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L181[06:32:57] <Eddi|zuHause> ah yes, that
sounds right (except the g part)
L182[06:33:30] <Deddly> The real question
is if it's a hard G or a soft one
L183[06:34:03] <NightHawk043> which one,
the definite one in bug? or the hypothetical one?
L184[06:34:18] <NightHawk043> the definite
is hard, the hypothetical would be soft
L185[06:34:40] <Deddly> See the topic to
get the joke
L186[06:34:54] <NightHawk043> yeah
whatever :P
L187[06:36:57] <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, for
my higgs-bug: it's actually fairly simple. i have some value that i
read ever 10ms or so, and sum up in a variable (64bit-double). the
bug is if that runs for too long, the value might get so big that
the numerical effect "value+new==value" may appear
L188[06:38:13] <NightHawk043> when you say
that the effect appears
L189[06:38:54] <NightHawk043> do you mean
that it displays the wrong value, throws an error, or actually
modifies the variable into a string containing
"value+new==value"
L190[06:39:38] <Eddi|zuHause> i put that
in as an error condition
L191[06:39:45] <NightHawk043> gotcha
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L193[06:40:03] <Eddi|zuHause> as at that
point the calculation becomes unreliable
L194[06:41:00] <NightHawk043> so is it an
actual variable overflow? or is it just stopping working once
getting above a size that should theoretically still fit within the
double?
L195[06:41:39] <Eddi|zuHause> it's not
really an overflow
L196[06:42:42] <Eddi|zuHause> numerically,
what happens is this: before adding two x.xxxx*2^y values, the two
y-values need to be "normalized" to the same value
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L198[06:43:19] <Eddi|zuHause> so if the
difference between the exponents is too large, that
"normalized" value might exceed the precision of the
mantissa
L199[06:43:45] <Eddi|zuHause>
x.xxxx*2^y
L200[06:43:57] <Eddi|zuHause>
+0.000x*2^y
L201[06:44:06] <Eddi|zuHause> is the
smallest one that still makes a difference
L202[06:44:29] <Eddi|zuHause> (i'm
probably terrible at explaining this)
L203[06:44:35] <NightHawk043> ah-hah
L204[06:45:54] <NightHawk043> Nah I
understand where you're coming from regarding the precision
errors
L205[06:47:08] <NightHawk043> essentially
you're running into a floating point error problem
L206[06:47:34] <NightHawk043> like how,
for a computer, sometimes 4/2 actually equals
1.9999999999999998
L207[06:48:02] <Eddi|zuHause> slightly
different, but yes
L208[06:48:04] <NightHawk043> however, to
avoid the confusion, it then quietly rounds that to 2, where it
"should" be
L209[06:49:46] <Eddi|zuHause> i should
probably run a calculation to estimate how long the process must
run to expose that bug
L210[06:50:43] <Eddi|zuHause> but i have
not enough data on how the value i read every so often actually
fluctuates. the more it does, the earlier it may appear
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L212[06:55:45] <Eddi|zuHause> the
secondary problem is, for some time before this error condition
triggers, the calculation will accumulate a lot of rounding
error
L213[06:56:24] <NightHawk043> Ok, so are
these examples specifically talking about cases where you're
essentially adding a really large number to a really small
number?
L214[06:56:39] <Eddi|zuHause> yes
L215[06:57:06] <Eddi|zuHause> i think that
has a name, but my numerics lecture was a long time ago...
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L218[07:00:27] <NightHawk043> I should
double check, which language are you coding in?
L219[07:01:53] <NightHawk043> Also,
additionally, why are you adding extremely small numbers to
extremely large numbers, and why is it important to be precise
about it
L220[07:02:36] <NightHawk043> like, is it
important to the mass of the earth, if you take a grain of sand
from some other planet, and put it on earth, thus increasing earths
mass by that grain of sand
L221[07:03:08] <NightHawk043> i.e. does it
really matter that this precision error is happening
L222[07:05:09] <NightHawk043> If the
precision really is that important, you could use a "long
double"
L223[07:05:18] <NightHawk043> but I'd
suggest that perhaps it's not
L224[07:06:49] <NightHawk043> if it's
still important that you have the gradually increasing volume, then
store the values temporarily in a second variable, until they reach
a sufficient size to then add that to the larger value
L225[07:07:03] <NightHawk043> sorry,
replace "volume" with value
L226[07:07:56] <NightHawk043> my meds have
have run out for the day, so I'm getting distracted
L227[07:12:34] <NightHawk043> anyway, for
var1=x.xxxx*2^y1 and var2=x.xxxx*2^y2 if y1-y2>A (you figure out
what order of magnitude causes the problem), then store
var3=var3+var2
L228[07:14:38] <NightHawk043> once y3
(from var3=x.xxxx*2^y3) satisfies y1-y3<(A-safety), y1=y1+y3,
y3=0.
L229[07:14:52] <NightHawk043> something
like that Eddi|zuHause
L230[07:15:31] <NightHawk043> I'm assuming
successive var2 values are never too different from one another,
and it's only their difference from the running total
L231[07:16:59] <NightHawk043> oh
L232[07:17:00] <NightHawk043> also
L233[07:17:21] <NightHawk043> not
y1=y1+y3,y3=0. rather var1=var1+var3, var3=0
L234[07:17:25] <NightHawk043> my bad
L235[07:18:51] <NightHawk043> I'd
recommend that over using the long double, as the long double will
still have the same problem, just Much further down the line.
L236[07:30:15] <Eddi|zuHause>
<NightHawk043> if it's still important that you have the
gradually increasing volume, then store the values temporarily in a
second variable, until they reach a sufficient size to then add
that to the larger value <-- i thought about that, but the
calculation is a bit time critical, so further complicating it
might not be acceptable
L237[07:30:44] <NightHawk043> fair
enough
L238[07:31:05] <NightHawk043> I can only
provide solutions for the problem as it's been explained
L239[07:31:26] <NightHawk043> I'm out,
dinner time.
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L246[08:08:36] <Althego> machine
cleaned
L248[08:13:19] <kmath> YouTube - Flat
Earther Comes Out With Their Most Outrageous Claim Ever!
L249[08:13:35] <Althego> actually about
the shuttle
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L251[08:20:19] <Althego> astonishing how
little the old guy knows about the shuttle
L252[08:26:44] <NightHawk043> Well, I'm
glad at least there are no Australian Flat Earthers, because if
there was, they would be one of the 25 million actors paid to fool
the world Australia exists
L253[08:27:01] <Althego> hehe
L254[08:29:35] <sandbox> I believe in the
cat earth theory
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L268[09:26:44] <Fluburtur> reverse
canadair better
L269[09:26:48] <Fluburtur> throws
gasoline
L270[09:26:59] <Althego> and uses water as
fuel?
L271[09:27:08] <Fluburtur> yeah
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L275[09:53:53] <Deddly> Hey Fluburtur, I
finally started your challenge
L276[09:54:04] <Fluburtur> the submarine
one?
L277[09:54:09] <Deddly> Yeah
L278[09:54:14] <Fluburtur> nice
L279[09:54:19] <Deddly> Boat category,
though
L280[09:54:29] <Fluburtur> how fast
L281[09:54:47] <Deddly> Up to now has been
designing and planning
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L283[09:55:22] <Deddly> With a full fuel
load, and carrying a plane, it goes 25 m/s at full throttle
L284[09:55:37] <Althego> that is fast if
it is not a hydrofoil
L285[09:55:39] <Fluburtur> a bit slower
than my sub then
L286[09:55:49] <Fluburtur> didn't you have
a big super fast one?
L287[09:55:51] <Deddly> Sorry not full
throttle
L288[09:55:58] <Deddly> 1/3 throttle
L289[09:56:02] <Althego> but in ksp boats
are just eat up fuel and slow, unless you make an electric
paddlewheel thing
L290[09:56:50] <Deddly> This is not a
hydrofoil version. So yeah, 25 m/s at one THIRD throttle
L291[09:57:33] <Deddly> Fluburtur I have a
very fast one, yeah, but it wasn't designed for this challenge and
it isn't finished
L292[09:58:02] <Deddly> I'll post pictures
soon
L293[10:00:31] <Deddly> Fluburtur, I
decided to go with Kerbnet waypoints to lay out the route. Will be
interesting to see how far I get without refuelling :)
L294[10:00:51] <Fluburtur> yeah
L295[10:01:02] <Fluburtur> will you do air
dropped refuel pods like I did
L296[10:01:17] <Althego> ah, support
planes?
L297[10:01:51] <Deddly> I'm hoping to do
the entire trip without refuelling at all
L298[10:02:07] <Fluburtur> that's like at
least 10k kiloemeters
L299[10:02:19] <Deddly> Yeah, I might not
make it
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L301[10:02:44] <Deddly> I haven't done any
proper calculations of distance
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L303[10:04:22] <Deddly> But I have done
some tests and eyeballed it
L304[10:06:34] <Deddly> Fluburtur: If I
see that I'm not going to make it, I figured I can go just offshore
of KSC on the way back, taking a detour from the southern ice shelf
on the way to the eastern leg. Then I can send out a tanker and
refuel there
L305[10:07:05] <Deddly> Or send a tanker
down to the ice shelf, of course
L306[10:07:13] <Fluburtur> planes are
faster
L307[10:07:18] <Deddly> (probably makes
more sense)
L308[10:07:25] <Fluburtur> I designed a
few heavy lifters made to drop fuel tanks
L309[10:07:36] <Althego> can you go around
on water only and on ground only?
L310[10:07:50] <Fluburtur> that ended up
being some of my best cargo planes becayse they can carry 50t
across the planet at 1200m/s
L311[10:07:50] <Deddly> Yeah but what
plane can refuel this amount of fuel. :)
L312[10:08:29] <Deddly> This ship is...
not on the small size, ya know
L313[10:08:44] <Fluburtur> big plane
then
L314[10:08:46] <Fluburtur> or send a
few
L315[10:08:48] <Deddly> Refuelling from
yhe air would be quite a project
L316[10:09:02] <Deddly> Tanker would be a
lot easier
L317[10:09:27] <Fluburtur> yeah but much
more time because driving the tanker will take forever
L318[10:09:29] <Deddly> I can simply send
a copy of this one but with a claw on the front
L319[10:09:36] <Fluburtur> unless you have
a lot of them everywhere
L320[10:09:54] <Fluburtur> I did a tanker
refueling once but I ceahted it to where I wanted to refuel
L321[10:10:24] <Deddly> I anticipate only
needing to refuel one single time, but hopefully not at all
L322[10:10:38] <Fluburtur> land a tanker
plane on it
L323[10:10:49] <Fluburtur> then keep it or
push it off the boat
L324[10:10:58] <Deddly> Well it's not THAT
big ;)
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L326[10:11:11] <Fluburtur> parachutes or
vertical landing
L327[10:11:27] <Deddly> Seriously though,
to refuel this by plane... boggles the mind
L328[10:11:50] <Deddly> The ship is made
up almost entirely of fuel tanks
L329[10:12:03] <Deddly> So you are
suggesting making this fly
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L331[10:12:26] <Deddly> This is KSP, that
could happen!
L332[10:12:49] <Fluburtur> land a rocket
on it to refuel
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L336[10:16:05] <Althego> i think i clean
up the video card fans too, because i forgot them
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L342[10:34:29] <Althego> the fans were
barely dusty. but there were 3, and in less than ideal
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L346[10:38:44] <Althego> the order of
adjectives are probably wrong
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L357[11:20:12] <Fluburtur> ;wa energy of
9kg at 385kph
L358[11:20:14] <kmath> Fluburtur: kinetic
energy->, mass->9 kg (kilograms), velocity->385 km/h
(kilometers per hour)kinetic energy->51.47 kJ (kilojoules), =
14.3 W h (watt hours), = 0.0143 kW h (kilowatt hours)
L359[11:31:28] <kubi> ehh
L360[11:31:40] <kubi> i want a micro atx
machine
L361[11:31:43] <kubi> or even
smaller
L362[11:31:49] <Althego> nuc?
L363[11:31:50] <Althego> pi?
L364[11:31:59] <kubi> nah
L365[11:32:03] <kubi> for ksp
L366[11:32:04] <Fluburtur> ;wa energy of
9kg at 835kph
L367[11:32:06] <kmath> Fluburtur: kinetic
energy->, mass->9 kg (kilograms), velocity->835 km/h
(kilometers per hour)kinetic energy->242.1 kJ (kilojoules), =
67.25 W h (watt hours), = 0.06725 kW h (kilowatt hours)
L368[11:32:31] <kubi> i have an odroid hc1
for smart home control and file server purpose
L369[11:32:51] <kubi> but I hate my
desktop computer
L370[11:32:55] <kubi> it is a huge
brick
L371[11:34:40] <Althego> nothing in my
home to be controlled
L373[11:34:49] <kmath> YouTube - aurora 90
garden flying
L374[11:35:22] <Althego> battery low? but
you have hud!
L375[11:35:36] <Althego> seems to be false
some of the time
L376[11:35:49] <UmbralRaptop> I'd only
worry about the size of my computer if I lived in a studio aot, and
even then would eliminate some furniture first
L377[11:36:29] <kubi> it is ugly
L378[11:36:50] <kubi> does not look good
in the living room
L379[11:37:15] <kubi> it is bigger then
the normal sized amplifier
L380[11:37:22] <kubi> much bigger
L381[11:39:24] <Althego> well hidden in
the desk, barely visible
L382[11:39:40] <UmbralRaptop> … do you
have a VAX, or something?
L383[11:39:44] <Althego> hehe
L384[11:39:48] <Althego> hyuge
L385[11:40:02] <Althego> some of them are
not that big
L386[11:40:27] <kubi> I think it is a full
tower or something like that
L387[11:43:09] <kubi> 46x20x46cm
L388[11:43:25] <UmbralRaptop> Then again,
I chose a desk such that it at one time held 3 CRTs.
>_>
L389[11:43:51] <Althego> hehe
L391[11:44:09] <Althego> i could fit the 3
monitors on this desk, despite it being a lot wider than the one i
used to have
L392[11:44:14] <Althego> *could not
L393[11:44:35] <Althego> the original
started with a 14" crt :)
L394[11:46:53] <kubi> lol
L395[11:47:08] <kubi> desk with a uilt in
ATX drawer
L396[11:47:24] <kubi> 15k SEK (1500
euro)
L397[11:47:56] <Althego> lol
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L399[11:48:18] <Althego> so the desk is a
computer housing too?
L400[11:48:36] <kubi> yes
L402[11:50:57] <Althego> there is a dk-04
version of this already
L403[11:51:01] <Althego> probably even
more expensive
L404[11:51:31] <Althego> transparent. i
dont want a transparent desk because of the mouse
L405[11:51:56] <Althego> unless in some
years we transition from optical to tiny hair touch based
mice
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L410[12:10:11] <Althego> heh thought
emporium didnt update on either of the antennas
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L415[12:21:43] <oren> my mouse's mouse
wheel is malfunctioning
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L417[12:22:02] <oren> wat brand of mouse
is good?
L418[12:22:05] <Althego> as usual
L419[12:22:19] <Althego> the middle click
and the wheel can fail most easily
L420[12:22:46] <oren> the wheel basically
sometimes, at random, things it's going backward
L421[12:23:05] <Althego> i am using a
bloody mouse (yes that is its brand) and somehow it didnt fail in
those areas yet, unlike all its predecessors
L422[12:23:32] <oren> I tried disassemblig
it and cleaning all the parts with alcohol, did not change
anything
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L425[12:35:09] <oren> whoops wrong
window
L426[12:35:24] <oren> not nsfw, just
boring for people not from my city
L427[12:38:02] <Althego> keesmaat, an
interesting name
L428[12:38:12] <Althego> because the
double double vowels
L429[12:43:28] <oren> Althego: She's
dutch. I know because I saw her in person once and she was very
tall
L431[12:47:30] <oren> er, 6 foot 2,
trudeau isn't a basketball star lmao
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L438[13:19:15] <Althego> it is not worth
to start a unit war because of this, i will just leave those
heights as unknown
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L441[13:22:36] <Althego> hah, flat
earthers made me learn something. the poisson spot. however i dont
expect that during a solar eclipse
L442[13:23:41] <Fluburtur> if only you
understood french
L443[13:23:55] <Althego> luckily i dont
:)
L444[13:24:09] <Fluburtur> a french
yourtuber that does astronomy teamed up with a few of his friends
to make a crop circle and see how peoples react and do science from
that
L445[13:24:20] <Fluburtur> I explain it
very badly but it's great
L446[13:24:23] <Althego> hehe
L447[13:24:26] <Althego> nice
L448[13:24:36] <Althego> it is a joke and
science in one
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L455[13:38:11] <Fluburtur> I managed to
slice a plastic bottle in half with my sword
L456[13:38:21] <Fluburtur> could only
slice carboard ones like htat before
L457[13:38:51] <Fluburtur> good to know
this thing is sharp enough, however I don't have much range with
it
L458[13:42:48] <KrazyKrl> I mean... i'd be
kinda worried if you had a sword that could hit people at 50
meters.
L459[13:43:21] <Fluburtur> yeah but I
expect at least 80cm
L460[13:43:28] <Fluburtur> I guess I angle
it back too much
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L462[13:44:08] <Fluburtur> also
L463[13:44:12] <Fluburtur> I need a new
lens
L464[13:44:15] <Fluburtur> or rather i
want
L465[13:44:26] <Fluburtur> m42 mount, as
short focal as possible
L466[13:44:30] <Fluburtur> 10mm or
under
L467[13:44:34] <Fluburtur> and one above
300
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L469[13:45:55] <Fluburtur> I already have
a 30mm, 50mm and 135mm but I need shorter ones for wide shots
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L471[13:49:31] <Fluburtur> I see a lot of
28mm ones but that's not wide angle
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L478[14:01:01] <oren> The Poisson spot
sounds like a great place to catch fish!
L479[14:01:24] <Althego> probability
distributions, cringe
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L495[15:17:27] <Althego> hmm devnote, 16
minutes ago
L497[15:21:38] <Althego> although the new
mk1 cabin is a bit annoying with the surface stripes
L498[15:21:44] <Althego> or grooves or
whatever they are
L499[15:23:17] <Althego> finally, kerbals
can occupy a command seat on start
L500[15:23:24] <Fluburtur> oh good
L501[15:23:27] <Fluburtur> was about
time
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L506[15:35:11] <darsie> Althego: The
barebones one?
L507[15:35:41] <Althego> you mean the
cabin?
L508[15:35:50] <darsie> no, the bicycle
seat.
L509[15:36:00] <Althego> that. but only
from 1.5
L511[15:37:25] <darsie> Are the grooves
realistic? Doesn't seem aerodynamic. But the tip should stay back,
anyways.
L512[15:38:13] <Rokker> boy between now
and January should be pretty interesting times in space. in fact I
would say it started being interesting in august
L513[15:39:09] <Althego> i think it wants
to be mercury
L514[15:39:15] <Althego> that looked like
this
L516[15:40:01] <Rokker> darsie: grooves
are realistic to Mercury, yes
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L519[15:41:49] <Rokker> and Gemini
L520[15:42:18] <Althego> why did they have
these?
L521[15:42:27] <Althego> cooling?
L522[15:42:44] <Rokker> Althego: improved
skin strength
L523[15:42:57] <Rokker> the prevent
buckling while they heated up on reentry
L524[15:43:08] <Rokker> to prevent*
L525[15:46:30] <Rokker> Althego: you see
corrugation as a solution the heat based warping a decent bit
around that time period
L526[15:46:53] <Rokker> for example in the
A-12/YF-12/SR-71 family
L528[15:48:46] <Althego> yes that would
make more sense
L529[15:49:05] <Althego> but also cahnges
the direction in which it is stronger
L530[15:50:22] <Rokker> Althego: well
think about it with the capsule. they didnt want a highly
aerodynamic vehicle and the skin/shingles on the Mercury and Gemini
capsules werent meant to be structural
L531[15:51:47] <Althego> probably the drag
losses were minimal during the ascent
L532[15:55:00] <Rokker> Althego: during
ascent it was minimal vs the drag from the rocket
L533[15:55:43] <Rokker> and on descent,
drag was helpful and even then it was negligible vs the blunt body
shape
L534[15:56:29] <oren> The part that really
needs a revamp IMO is the landing gear
L535[15:56:44] <oren> when will they fix
the landing gear?!?!?
L536[15:56:58] <Althego> they already
fixed it. twice :)
L537[15:57:18] <Althego> andi talk from
experience that wheel physics is really nasty
L538[15:57:29] <oren> it still doesn't
work anything as well as it did in 1.0.5
L539[15:58:30] <oren> ever since 1.1
there's been ridiculous amounts of bouncing, there's a mod that has
landign gear that work correctly
L540[15:58:58] <Althego> actually really
bad bouncing started with 1.3, maybe it is a bit better with
1.4
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L542[15:59:44] <oren> and in 1.4 I've had
it literally jump into the air spontaneously from phantom
forces
L543[16:00:02] <Althego> does the ladder
kraken drive still work?
L544[16:01:15] <Althego> i have to
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L562[17:09:51] <Nancy> I'm here
L563[17:10:19] <Eddi|zuHause> did you mean
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L565[17:16:20] <xShadowx> the weirdest
tiny things that happen to a pc to make you go 'what the'
L566[17:17:29] <xShadowx> i got 2 screens,
taskbar is on the right screen, stuff on right minimizes 'down', or
more accurately towards its icon on task bar
L567[17:17:57] <xShadowx> stuff on left
scren minimize 'down left' as if heading away from task bar is
somehow the right way :P
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L586[18:52:53] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L593[19:24:21] <Rolf> infinity to infinity
lol
L594[19:24:30] <Rolf> in such scale it
would always show flat line
L595[19:28:06] <Arynnia> I know I have a
beefy computer, but THIS is ridiculous
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L599[19:31:37] <JVFoxy> didn't even know
of the performance thing..
L600[19:33:17] <Arynnia> Mm
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L602[19:40:33] <UmbralRaptor> hah
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L605[19:45:30] <CandyAngel> Does the
expansion fix any of the bugs?
L606[19:45:38] *
CandyAngel is super annoyed with KSP bugs right now
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L608[19:46:21] <CandyAngel> The game
decided to change my satellite that was orbiting Kerbin @ whatever
m/s to Orbiting the Mun at 0 m/s
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L610[19:50:35] <Eddi|zuHause> i would be
massively annoyed if i needed an expansion to fix core game
bugs
L611[19:50:40] <UmbralRaptor> it does not.
Just more parts, the scenarios, etc
L612[19:50:52] <UmbralRaptor> also, what
Eddi|zuHause typed
L613[19:52:05] <Supernovy> I think it
fixes bugs in the expansion content, though.
L614[19:54:03] <UmbralRaptor> Well,
yes
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L632[21:19:06] <Guest65407> Can you make
the 1.4 an update on Google play?
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L634[21:20:37] <UmbralRaptop> …
L635[21:20:45] <UmbralRaptop> ………
L636[21:21:15] <Rolf> 14 seconds, thats a
record!
L637[21:21:23] <Rolf> average is 2.43
seconds
L638[21:21:24] <UmbralRaptop>
………………………
L639[21:24:40] <Epi> That'slotta
dots
L640[21:24:50] <UmbralRaptop> …
L641[21:27:11] <JVFoxy> ,,,,,,
L642[21:27:18] <JVFoxy> squished
dots
L643[21:28:21] <UmbralRaptop> ...
L644[21:28:36] <UmbralRaptop> ∷∷∷
L645[21:29:41] <JVFoxy> 0.o
L646[21:30:13] <UmbralRaptop> Unicode is
Fun!
L647[21:30:33] <UmbralRaptop> "we
descended into the twin hells of spreadsheets and spherical
trigonometry" -- Scott Manley
L648[21:30:55] <JVFoxy> mm... math
L649[21:31:14] <JVFoxy> numbers.. most
universal language
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L652[22:16:03] <Althego> hmm, non sequitur
- search for planet 9 there goes 2 hours of my time
L653[22:16:17] <Althego> this day didnt
even start and gets shorter all the time
L654[22:16:55] <UmbralRaptop> Sadly no
one's found it yet
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L659[22:46:05] <Althego> ah it is already
september
L660[22:46:09] <Althego> sad
L661[22:48:20] <UmbralRaptor> It is always
September
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L664[22:59:28] <Rolf> it is september it
are always september
L665[22:59:39] <Rolf> hacky quote from
1984
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