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L8[01:00:37] <Althego> wormsign
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L11[01:05:52] <kmath> YouTube - Amiga 500 -
Dune (Wormsign)
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L13[01:10:15] <Gasher_> hm,wait. that
aircraft that crashed in switzerland was Ju-52? pre-WW2
tri-motor?
L14[01:13:01] <JVFoxy> ya
L15[01:15:55] <JVFoxy> another smaller
plane crashed a little ways out, a few hours prior
L16[01:16:52] <Gasher_> oh news say that
company ahs three more Ju-52
L17[01:16:55] <Gasher_> * has
L18[01:20:44] <ConductorCat> :3
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L20[01:22:32] <Avikebics> Connected relay @
atlanta, ga
L21[01:23:08] <Avikebics> Connected Relay
<-bi-> to AvionicsGDS at GDS Building #1
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logdump 0
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L65[06:15:41] <Rolf> wow. EO-1 is retiring.
it's 17 years old
L66[06:15:53] <Rolf> apparently it was
comissioned for one year.
L67[06:16:16] <Althego> what is eo-1
L68[06:16:27] <Rolf> earth pbserving -
1
L69[06:16:33] <Rolf> observing
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L75[07:02:10] <Fluburtur> uh, my friend
will be back in a week and I need t fly the vg33 before then
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L78[07:28:50] <Inari> The rules link
appears to be broken
L80[07:29:22] <Inari> Maybe just my
routing
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L104[10:15:37] <JVFoxy> Any word what
happened yesterday outside Stuttgart?
L105[10:17:19] <Althego> what does google
say?
L106[10:17:25] <Althego> what does the fox
say? :)
L107[10:20:52] <JVFoxy> eh..
L108[10:21:32] <JVFoxy> haven't been able
to find anything on google... you'd think having several fire
departments called in on something would have raised a few news
flags
L110[10:21:37] <kmath> YouTube - 100%
STOCK HELICARRIER to Laythe! | KSP 1.4.5
L111[10:21:41] <Mat2ch> this will melt you
CPU...
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L113[10:21:52] <Althego> no, i have noctua
:)
L114[10:22:46] <Althego> hehe quite
cool
L115[10:23:25] <Althego> the question for
me in these cases is always, can it generate more lift with the
rocket powered rotors, than with directly using the engines
L116[10:24:16] <Althego> they never
stopped to think whether they should :)
L117[10:24:29] <Mat2ch> I guess it has
something to do with where to put the fuel...
L118[10:24:56] <Mat2ch> oh, read your
question wrong
L119[10:24:59] *
Mat2ch is tired
L120[10:25:11] <Mat2ch> Well, you could
easily test that.
L121[10:25:46] <Mat2ch> Build a rocket
powered rotor with four engines and see what it can lift and then
do the same with the engines alone
L122[10:25:55] <Mat2ch> also watch the
fuel economy
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L129[10:35:33] <Althego> i got to get back
to creating a new wing hinge
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L132[10:43:21] <Althego> i think the
problem yesterday was caused by the fact that the decouplers dont
have a hole in the center, they just look like that
L133[10:47:22] <Eddi|zuHause> anyone
thinks i should try "baking" my graphics card?
L134[10:48:04] <Eddi|zuHause> it's
apparently this last resort thing that people do which may work, or
may ruin your stove
L135[10:49:13] <Althego> that is the
natural way it is born
L136[10:49:32] <Althego> you just cant
achieve a correct thermal profile with the stove
L137[10:49:45] <Althego> but it may fix a
bad solder joint
L138[10:50:09] <Althego> remove all
plastics before trying
L139[10:50:20] <Mat2ch> Althego: well, you
can try at least.
L140[10:50:38] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure
all plastic is removable
L141[10:50:52] <Althego> well, they may
become even more plastic then :)
L142[10:50:55] <Mat2ch> And remove all
stickers as well
L143[10:51:09] <Mat2ch> remove everything
that was put there afterwards
L144[10:51:09] <Eddi|zuHause> like there's
a plastic thing around the place where the cooling fan
connects
L145[10:51:41] <Althego> they had to put
those there somehow, consequently there should be a way to remove
it
L146[10:51:43] <Mat2ch> it has to go or
will burn
L147[10:52:23] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'd
have to unsolder the pins
L148[10:52:35] <Mat2ch> then you should do
that
L149[10:52:35] <Althego> lol
L150[10:53:00] <Althego> think of this.
for a lead free solder you must achieve around 250 degrees
L151[10:53:15] <Althego> that plastic can
cactch fire or at least smoke a lot
L152[10:53:41] <Althego> and lose
shape
L153[10:53:52] <Eddi|zuHause> i think the
idea is that the stove doesn't reach 250
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L155[10:54:15] <Eddi|zuHause> at least
this guide here says i should start with 100 and up it step by step
to 220 if it didn't work
L156[10:54:52] <Mat2ch> at 100° no Pb-Free
solder will get liquid
L157[10:54:58] <JVFoxy> ... we talk'n in c
or f?
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L159[10:55:05] <Eddi|zuHause> C
L160[10:55:09] <Mat2ch> even 220° C is not
enough for that
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L163[10:55:47] <Althego> 220 may be enough
for lead based. although i remember the eutectic temperature as
225, but i may be wrong
L164[10:55:50] <Mat2ch> I used to work in
a company making electronics. On day I got bored and clibrated the
solder oven with our technician...
L165[10:55:57] <Eddi|zuHause> well, the
idea is not to make it liquid, but just make it viscous enough that
it falls back into place
L166[10:56:02] <Mat2ch> Althego: no,
you're right
L167[10:56:34] <JVFoxy> ok then ya.. about
200c.. though depend on the type, can go as high as 318c
L168[10:57:05] <Mat2ch> I'd still go for
250° C
L169[10:57:20] <JVFoxy> sorry 240c...
anything higher tends to get costly.
L170[10:57:25] <Mat2ch> Well, I've watched
hundreds of boards getting soldered, I know what they can take
;)
L171[10:57:59] <Althego> i used to run
siemens placement machines and electrovert omniflo ovens
L172[10:58:00] <JVFoxy> mmm... there is
even gold solder ;P
L173[10:58:11] <Althego> god soldier. burn
them all :)
L174[10:58:20] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't
think they used a lot of gold in my 100€ card
L175[10:58:20] <Mat2ch> I'd preheat the
oven to 250° C, then put in the board for around a minute. Then
switch off the oven and open the door a bit, so it can cool down
slowly
L176[10:58:39] <Mat2ch> Althego: Essemntec
here
L177[10:58:57] <Mat2ch> well, not run,
mostly watching. :D
L178[10:59:16] <Althego> oh wait it was
warrior not soldier (in nausicaa)
L179[11:00:10] <Mat2ch> also you could get
a digital thermometer (some multimeter can do that) and measure the
oven, before I try that...
L180[11:00:28] <Mat2ch> also you could get
a digital thermometer (some multimeter can do that) and measure the
oven. I'd do it before I try that...
L181[11:00:53] <Eddi|zuHause> well, this
"guide" here says 100°C for 30 minutes, then 160, 190 and
220 (again 30 minutes each)
L182[11:01:09] <Althego> it may work
L183[11:01:24] <Mat2ch> 220 at 30
minutes?! What the heck?
L184[11:01:28] <Althego> lol
L185[11:01:29] <Mat2ch> that's not how
this works :P
L186[11:01:30] <Althego> that is
L187[11:01:41] <Althego> even in the oven
they spand max a few minutes at that temperature
L188[11:01:45] <Althego> spend
L189[11:01:59] <Mat2ch> They're max 1
minute in the hot zone
L190[11:02:15] <Mat2ch> and got preheated
and all
L191[11:02:38] <JVFoxy> if you got any
caps... I'd keep an eye on those, last thing you need is the
coating to get melted off
L192[11:02:41] <Althego> i wouldnt spend
this much time on this, easier to buy a new one :)
L193[11:02:57] <Mat2ch> but the preheating
is only for the solder flux to activate
L194[11:03:05] <JVFoxy> whats wrong with
it anyways?
L195[11:03:47] <Eddi|zuHause> with the
graphics card? it doesn't survive booting the machine properly, as
soon as X starts, it has a few seconds of glitches and then the
system freezes
L196[11:04:08] <Althego> hehe
L197[11:04:21] <Althego> that is either
kernel (module) or real hw issue
L198[11:04:36] <JVFoxy> was going to ask
how you knew it was the vid card... or at least I think its the
vid..
L199[11:04:45] <Althego> what about the
voltage supplied?
L200[11:04:56] <VanDisaster> basic vga
mode shouldn't do that, sounds like my laptop when it's gpu became
unsoldered
L201[11:04:56] <Althego> the video card is
one big consumer
L202[11:05:15] <Eddi|zuHause> i swapped
graphics drivers, with the other driver it survives a bit longer,
but still freezes after like half an hour of watching youtube
L203[11:05:17] <JVFoxy> lol.. I built my
new system, did some cleanign, forgot to plug in the video power
supply... took me a bit figure out what I forgot
L204[11:05:27] <Eddi|zuHause> and i
swapped graphics card to an older model, and that works fine
L205[11:05:48] <Eddi|zuHause> there's no
extra power supply on this
L207[11:05:56] <kmath> YouTube - Bring
your video card back from the dead! - Oven method
L208[11:06:14] <JVFoxy> the card had been
running fine before.. (or this a newer one you just got?)
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L210[11:06:26] <Althego> as he saus, dont
try to make food in that again
L211[11:06:30] <Althego> says
L212[11:06:34] <Eddi|zuHause> about 5
years old
L213[11:07:06] <Althego> i was wondering
how you can keep it off the metal
L214[11:07:11] <Eddi|zuHause> i switched
graphics drivers a few weeks back, and then it was quickly
degrading
L215[11:07:17] <Althego> because there are
two sides and dont want to melt off all the ics
L216[11:07:36] <JVFoxy> may want to
consider looking at your power supply if its been with you for a
while
L217[11:07:42] <Eddi|zuHause> i have an
old stove that is not used for food anymore, not sure if it is
hooked up to power
L218[11:07:42] <Althego> apparently it is
simple just put alu foil balls under it
L219[11:08:14] <Eddi|zuHause> the guide
here says to use baking paper
L220[11:08:20] <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if
i have any of that
L221[11:08:29] <JVFoxy> if the one card is
running fine but only up to a point.. may wanna consider suspecting
some power regulators starting to go
L222[11:08:38] <Althego> if anybody bakes
some sweets there should be
L223[11:09:02] <Althego> yes the older
card may draw less power
L224[11:09:45] <JVFoxy> other suggestion
is to grab a system monitor program that can record performances on
various voltages to a flash drive while you run up the youtube..
see if something glitches
L225[11:09:47] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't
think i have any suitible spare power supplies
L226[11:10:57] <Eddi|zuHause> the power
supply is around 7 years old, i think
L227[11:11:08] <JVFoxy> if you plugged in
that other car and the system ran fun long as you wanted... I'd
have suspected the one vid card.. but two cards, then an old old
one doing fine.. sounds like something else is going on
L228[11:11:20] <JVFoxy> fun->fine
L229[11:12:14] <JVFoxy> lol.. sorry, if
you were my way, I'd offer to come over, help out. Holiday here,
probably give me something to do
L230[11:12:52] <Eddi|zuHause> not two
cards
L231[11:13:04] <Eddi|zuHause> one card
with 2 drivers. and the older card
L232[11:13:58] <JVFoxy> all I know is, one
card system glitches on at boot, 2nd card, will run but up to a
point while being slightly stressed out. 3rd card, older I'm
guessing? It runs fine
L233[11:14:33] <JVFoxy> if it was drivers,
it wouldn't glitch the system out right off from boot
L234[11:14:36] <Althego> actually it was 2
cards
L235[11:14:41] <Althego> 1 with 2
drivers
L236[11:14:46] <Eddi|zuHause> card A with
driver A -> immediate, card A with driver B -> 30min, card B
with driver B -> fine
L237[11:15:00] <JVFoxy> ah ok..
L238[11:15:01] <Eddi|zuHause> (driver A
doesn't support card B)
L239[11:15:10] <JVFoxy> which card if i
might ask?
L240[11:15:26] <Eddi|zuHause> Radeon HD
7750, and 6570 (i think)
L241[11:16:50] <Eddi|zuHause> the 7750 i
had in this system for 5 years, and the 6570 i grabbed a friend who
threw out his old system. (he said he always had a glitch with that
card on windows, but it isn't showing for me)
L242[11:18:42] <JVFoxy> looks like a few
people had issues with the 7750 as of a few years back..
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L244[11:18:50] <JVFoxy> going to guess..
windows10?
L245[11:19:01] <Eddi|zuHause> no, i'm on
linux
L246[11:19:10] <Eddi|zuHause> my friend
was on windows 7, as far as i can tell
L247[11:19:25] <JVFoxy> ya I'm still on 7,
laptop got stuck with 10 when I got it. :\
L248[11:19:36] <JVFoxy> it originally had
8 but mom updated it.
L249[11:20:18] <Eddi|zuHause> i think most
laptops have a standard oem key you can use to get a windows 7 on
it
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L252[11:21:12] <JVFoxy> other than
tweeking a lot of settings, seems fine for most part... it is touch
screen so kind of works for me
L253[11:21:30] <JVFoxy> my desktop win7
isn't touch....
L254[11:21:36] <Eddi|zuHause> tbh, 10 is
probably better than 8
L255[11:21:54] <JVFoxy> ya its ok.. I
wasn't even going to get into 8 anyways
L256[11:21:57] <Eddi|zuHause> but i
haven't spent a lot of time with either
L257[11:22:35] <JVFoxy> as for the
graphics... maybe try out a 'what crashed' program if there is one
for linux? try out with the previous driver?
L258[11:22:55] <Eddi|zuHause> i tried a
memtest program
L259[11:23:07] <Eddi|zuHause> it
immediately hung with the first driver
L260[11:23:18] <Eddi|zuHause> with the
second driver it ran fine for a while
L261[11:23:39] <Eddi|zuHause> that was
both without starting X
L262[11:24:13] <JVFoxy> maybe try with a
whole system log... just to be sure its not something else. A lot
of things can go wrong... wanna be sure something else isn't
getting affected
L263[11:24:14] <Althego> hah this with the
ball rcs and the thermometers might work
L264[11:24:55] <Eddi|zuHause> the hung
memtest gave me these messages:
L265[11:24:59] <Eddi|zuHause> Aug 02
23:40:50 Johannes-II kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]]
*ERROR* ring sdma0 timeout, last signaled seq=68, last emitted
seq=70
L266[11:25:00] <Eddi|zuHause> Aug 02
23:40:50 Johannes-II kernel: [drm] No hardware hang detected. Did
some blocks stall?
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L271[11:25:42] <JVFoxy> I just going by
what I know... I don't really know linux all too well
unfortunately.
L272[11:25:56] <JVFoxy> just have to be
systematic..
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L275[11:26:51] <Althego> it would be a
bsod in windows
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L277[11:27:57] <JVFoxy> I have seen
windows and linux behave differently when it comes to networking...
friend's router was acting up. My windows kept jumping on and off
the router. His Linux didn't bat an eye. Unfortunately because of
that, he didn't think anything was wrong till the router burnt
itself out
L278[11:28:35] <JVFoxy> turns out it was
an older revision of router he found laying around. A newer version
fixed the overheating issue the older one had...
L280[11:29:30] <Althego> fell my
pain
L281[11:29:32] <Althego> feel
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L283[11:30:43] <Eddi|zuHause> that is
really painful to read
L284[11:30:54] <JVFoxy> ugh.. they really
milk'd that one >_<
L285[11:31:09] <JVFoxy> too early for
breakfast jokes..
L286[11:31:43] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah,
18:31
L287[11:32:08] <JVFoxy> 0932 here
L288[11:32:20] <JVFoxy> been up 3 hours
already..
L289[11:32:37] <JVFoxy> tomorrow I'll have
to be out at 0530 the latest
L290[11:33:29] <Althego> hah this is
amazing
L291[11:33:36] <Althego> rotated longer
than the propulsion lasted
L292[11:33:41] <Eddi|zuHause> did't you
say you had holiday?
L293[11:34:04] <Althego> maybe i can build
the compact hidden electric prop engine i always wanted
L294[11:34:45] <JVFoxy> ya.. civic holiday
here in BC
L296[11:39:42] <Althego> hehe, it recorded
youtube too :)
L297[11:40:53] <JVFoxy> interesting that
friction is modeled too
L298[11:40:56] <Eddi|zuHause> ;wa 385°F in
°C
L299[11:40:58] <kmath> Eddi|zuHause:
convert 385 °F (degrees Fahrenheit) to degrees Celsius: 196.1 °C
(degrees Celsius)
L300[11:41:08] <Althego> i doubt it is
really modeled
L301[11:41:15] <JVFoxy> noticed the parts
tend to hang slightly when its up to a certain speed
L302[11:41:15] <Althego> at least not in
this case
L303[11:41:16] <Eddi|zuHause> so the guy
in the video also doesn't go that hot
L304[11:41:26] <Althego> you can see how
it glitches sometimes, and that causes energy loss
L305[11:41:49] <JVFoxy> friction can be
between parts or against the air... otherwise, it wouldn't have
slowed down
L306[11:41:54] <Althego> yes, i prefer hot
women too :)
L307[11:42:24] <Althego> i wanted a hinge
but this bearing is so good i can really build an engine on
it
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L310[11:45:11] <JVFoxy> probably why
people use it a lot
L311[11:47:18] <Althego> normally i would
replace the thermometers with cubic...
L312[11:47:22] <Mat2ch> Althego: just a
probe core and thermometers around it?
L313[11:48:19] <Althego> for an engine i
would need to insert probe core, battery, rtgs and lot of reaction
wheels
L314[11:48:38] <Althego> this is really
just a bearing now, what i need for the rotating wing
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L316[11:51:38] <Althego> adjusted the
thermometers a little and now it spins for a minute
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L320[11:58:35] <Mat2ch> hrm, the probe
core does fit in the structural tube...
L321[11:59:49] <Althego> it does
L322[11:59:53] <Althego> i want it like
that
L323[11:59:57] <Althego> put this whole
thing in the tube
L324[12:00:36] <Althego> i tried with
stayputnic as the spherical part
L325[12:00:45] <Althego> but it always
fell apart
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L334[12:15:48] <Althego> i wish i could
add an other axis
L335[12:16:06] <Althego> then the wings
would be flat on the sides
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L337[12:23:12] <Fluburtur> I could charge
all my batteries and go to the river with the bottleboat
L338[12:23:18] <Fluburtur> would last me a
day
L339[12:29:36] <Mat2ch> hey Flub
L340[12:29:44] <Mat2ch> what's your 3d
printed plane doing?
L341[12:29:50] <Fluburtur> is
finished
L343[12:30:05] <Fluburtur> waiting to
fly
L344[12:31:35] <Mat2ch> when do you plan
to fly it?
L345[12:31:48] <Fluburtur> this week
L346[12:34:08] <Althego> holy graf
zeppelin batman
L347[12:34:10] <Althego> it works
L348[12:34:13] <Althego> omg it
works
L349[12:34:22] <Althego> the col is a bit
far back but i can move it
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L352[12:52:33] <Althego> and no comment. i
wanted this one for years
L353[12:52:52] <Althego> i am really
pumped up now
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L355[12:54:12] <Judge_Dedd> Althego,
nice!
L356[12:54:55] <APlayer> How does the
hinge work?
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L358[12:58:42] <JVFoxy> using rcs ball and
themometers
L359[12:59:41] <JVFoxy> Althego I seen
someone do concorde with the ball-themometer thing. .. but also an
airbrake panel and some parts as a servo
L360[13:00:25] <JVFoxy> airbrake wont'
give the 90 degree motion like what you wanted though..
L361[13:01:16] <Althego> hmm
airbrake
L362[13:01:44] <Althego> that would be a
better idea because now it depends on the docking ports to
connect
L363[13:01:55] <Althego> they also create
some drag
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L366[13:03:23] <kmath> YouTube - Building
A Fully Stock Concorde Replica! - KSP
L367[13:16:28] <Althego> eh the docking
ports create high enough drag that it cant break the sound barrier
lol
L368[13:17:28] <Althego> maybe if i put
that small cone there and connect the ports to those... but for
that i need to readjust the port locations... again
L369[13:26:00] <Althego> heh the nosecones
dont help
L370[13:26:33] <Althego> maybe i just
change the engine to the wheesley
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L373[13:31:52] <Althego> above 10 km it
gets better, but still, it wasnt like this
L374[13:32:22] <Althego> it used to reach
1100 m/s, now it is just stuck at 840
L375[13:32:41] <Althego> at least the
thermometers dont catch fire
L376[13:38:40] <Althego> that concorde is
nice. i think i have seen it. the servo could be modified through
some lever to actuate more
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L379[13:44:14] <JVFoxy> too hot
when...
L380[13:44:37] <JVFoxy> I sometimes worry
about massive parts counts.
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L382[13:49:02] <Draconiator> Ahhhhhhh
fresh copy of Win3.11 installed on Dosbox via actual floppies...the
copy I have is so old that it has a ton of errors in it.
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L385[13:56:01] <Eddi|zuHause> i think i
had win 3.11 on CD once
L386[13:56:28] <Eddi|zuHause> "Only
for sale with a new HIGHSCREEN PC"
L387[13:56:29] <JVFoxy> lol.. was talking
to friend about automenu.bat.. back from 8088 days
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L390[14:02:30] <Althego> rotated the
docking ports 90 deg and moved them to the close end to the wing,
seems to be working, less drag
L391[14:04:38] <Althego> but it seems
there is enough drag on the external components to still affect
speed
L392[14:05:10] <JVFoxy> mm..
L393[14:05:22] <JVFoxy> wanna ksp.. but..
means putting off other stuff. :\
L394[14:05:48] <Althego> i want the other
rotation too, so that the wings could lie flat to the body, taking
less space
L395[14:07:00] <JVFoxy> ponder using stock
hinges to build a folding space station..
L396[14:07:12] <JVFoxy> well.. folding
strut bar for solar panels and such
L397[14:11:16] <Althego> reached 1100,
reached northern ice cap
L398[14:11:21] <Althego> test
successful
L399[14:12:06] <JVFoxy> lol
L400[14:12:24] <JVFoxy> I've little planes
that can reach caps, and fly back..
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L405[14:23:13] <Althego> yes but this has
isru on board
L406[14:23:18] <Althego> so potentially
infinite range
L407[14:23:26] <Althego> and quite fast
too
L408[14:23:32] <Althego> intend to use it
on laythe
L409[14:23:49] <Althego> but with this
advanced bearing i might try eve with a prop
L410[14:25:40] <Althego> still dont know
how to do this on duna. no amount of wings is enough
L411[14:25:59] <Althego> but it was around
orbital (2200 m/s delta-v) for duna with a nuke
L412[14:27:20] <Althego> i think i know
how to do the second rotation. need two steps. disconnect the first
set of hinges and use a second one that rotates down
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L414[14:31:07] <Eddi|zuHause> planes won't
work on mars either
L416[14:32:42] <Althego> they might
L417[14:32:50] <Althego> and duna has more
atmo
L418[14:33:05] <Althego> the plane has
soem rcs exactly because of duna
L419[14:33:16] <Althego> but it is around
pointless anywhere else
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L421[14:33:26] <Althego> that rcs would
help it in the landing
L422[14:33:41] <Althego> still some chutes
for slow down would be better
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L424[14:42:53] <Eddi|zuHause> APlayer:
doesn't really convince me to the other way :p
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L426[14:47:28] <Althego> it seem the
unfolding of the wings during high aero stress (falling) is not
recommended
L427[14:50:24] <JVFoxy> APlayer Mercury
should be crash & Burn..
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L431[15:08:17] <kmath> YouTube - От
постройки Турбо Реактивного двигателя до полета - всего один
шаг
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L433[15:14:43] <Althego> looks like a
turbine
L434[15:15:01] <Althego> from an engine
turbo
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L437[15:32:55] <JVFoxy> Fluburtur closed
captions, turn to auto translate english
L438[15:33:05] <Althego> seemed it was in
russian
L439[15:33:12] <JVFoxy> it seems to catch
most of what he says pretty good
L440[15:33:55] <JVFoxy> building a jet
engine out of a turbo.. its a somewhat common hobie
L441[15:36:41] <JVFoxy> lol.. speedy man
with his hacksaw ;P
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L447[15:43:57] <JVFoxy> its actually a
pretty nice build for an engine
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L468[19:08:15] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
L469[19:13:06] <umaxtu> evening
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L487[23:15:29] <JVFoxy> .... just a
cruise'n....
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