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L54[07:33:19] <clinton> Quick question, are
the low space EVA reports no longer biome specific or is it just
some mod I've got that's making them not biome specific?
L55[07:34:46] <Althego> it is biome
specific for some instruments
L56[07:35:38] <clinton> Althego: for EVA
reports?
L58[07:36:35] <clinton> Althego: Yes I know
the link and it says low space EVA reports are Biome specific but
on 1.4.4 I'm running they're not
L59[07:36:46] <Althego> they should
be
L60[07:36:57] <Althego> at least not so
long ago they were biome specific
L61[07:37:09] <clinton> Althego: I'm
wondering whether there's a mod causing that or there's actually
been a change in a recent version
L62[07:37:31] <Althego> there was no change
lately
L63[07:37:44] <clinton> Althego: hmmm very
strange
L64[07:38:28] <Althego> i think not even
1.4.0 changed anything related to science
L65[07:38:53] <clinton> Althego: Ah it's
"Kerbalism" all good
L66[07:39:17] <APlayer> Yes, Kerbalism does
that
L67[07:41:45] <JVFoxy> for the all mighty
science points huh?
L68[07:44:22] <APlayer> Well, Kerbalism
does awesome things to game mechanics and game balance
L69[07:44:27] <APlayer> Absolutely love the
mod
L70[07:44:57] <APlayer> It's realistic and
hard enough to not be boring, and not hard enough to be
frustrating
L72[07:49:43] <Fluburtur> I just need to
glue the wings and maybe paint the cockpit
L73[07:49:55] <Althego> but will it
blend?
L74[07:50:21] <JVFoxy> Kerbalism kind of
reminds me of RO in ways
L75[07:50:25] <Althego> what are those
holes in the wing?
L76[07:50:44] <Fluburtur> servos
L77[07:50:49] <Fluburtur> for control
L78[07:50:57] <Althego> no, i mean a series
of holes in line in the left wing
L79[07:51:02] <Althego> (on the
right)
L80[07:51:10] <JVFoxy> just behind the
leading ege
L81[07:51:11] <Fluburtur> that's from the
cutting
L82[07:51:44] <JVFoxy> wings getting a
covering I take it?
L83[07:52:04] <Althego> they seemed to be
covered by some kind of tape
L84[07:52:05] <Fluburtur> just some fiber
tape
L85[07:53:15] <Althego> but this is
amazing, to design and print it by yourself. even a decade ago this
was impossible
L86[07:53:30] <Fluburtur> yeah
L87[07:53:45] <Fluburtur> back in like 2012
the cheapest consumer printers were like 1200€
L88[07:55:58] <JVFoxy> considering they
just started coming out onto the market... then you had people
seeing if they could build their own 3d printers instead
L89[07:56:29] <JVFoxy> good quality
printers, of decent size still pretty costly..
L90[07:56:39] <JVFoxy> even then, they can
still be a bit... twitchy
L91[08:02:16] <Althego> so, does it
fly?
L92[08:02:48] <Fluburtur> maybe
L93[08:02:51] <Althego> lol
L94[08:03:18] <Fluburtur> it is a bit heavy
but it should be fine
L95[08:03:48] <JVFoxy> ever seen the 3D
printed P-38 the guys from Testflite got to mess around with?
L96[08:03:59] <Fluburtur> yeah
L97[08:04:16] <Fluburtur> I got the bf109
from the guy that makes those
L98[08:04:20] <Fluburtur> I have yet to
print it
L99[08:05:04] <Althego> is there a 3d
printer that can use different materials?
L100[08:05:38] <Fluburtur> most printers
can use a wide variety of plastics
L101[08:06:32] <Althego> yes, but it is
still just plastics. or metal for the rocket industry. but there is
nothing that can build a complete product
L102[08:07:32] <JVFoxy> remember someone
saying, the softer the plastic, the slower the print.
L103[08:07:50] <JVFoxy> and then you got
tech guys printing organics..
L104[08:09:51] <JVFoxy> the industry side
of things isn't just limited to plastics, they can also do metals
too. Uses a sort of welding type method.
L105[08:10:45] <Althego> but i want
complete product printing, like in ta or supcom, like printing a
car or an airplane
L106[08:13:36] <JVFoxy> yay TA
L107[08:13:59] <JVFoxy> well in TA they
used nanotech.. just sprays on.. thats a bit beyond us by a long
shot still :P
L108[08:23:01] <Fluburtur> uhu por seems
to work well to glue foam to PLA
L109[08:23:05] <Fluburtur> superior german
tech
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L118[10:26:25] <Althego> stock hinge is
kind of ok, but i still cant make a working foldable wing. even the
simplest one fails. which is just rotating it on top of the
plane
L119[10:26:42] <Althego> because there is
no way to make it structurally rigid
L120[10:27:10] <Althego> it can redock
with one port but not with 2
L121[10:28:22] <Althego> not to mention
based on my previous experience, if i were to rotate the wing in
the hangar then redock it later in the correct orientation for
flying, at least some of the control surfaces would not work
correctly (flaps for sure)
L122[10:43:15] <Mat2ch> Althego: stock
hinges?
L123[10:43:42] <Mat2ch> ah, with docking
ports and stuff
L124[10:43:57] <Mat2ch> and I thought I
missed something and they finally implemented the fun stuff
L125[10:44:27] <Althego> probe core,
battery and reaction wheels captured inside a cage made of
cubic...
L126[10:44:57] <Mat2ch> Why are there no
real stock hinges yet?
L127[10:45:01] <Mat2ch> I still don't get
it.
L128[10:45:25] <Althego> it is one of my
oldest ksp dreams to send a packed plane to duna
L129[10:45:36] <Althego> then unfold it
either during descent or on the g round
L130[10:45:48] <Mat2ch> yes. But no, Squad
never listend :(
L131[10:46:00] <Althego> it could carry
the isru system for infinite delta v
L132[10:46:35] <Althego> i hate that
rovers are way overrepresented with their infinite delta v, but
they are slow, and prone to accidents
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L136[10:57:05] <JVFoxy> Althego 'stock
hinge'?
L137[10:57:30] <Althego> there are many
ways to do it, but it always boils down to a separate craft
captured in some kind of cage
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L139[10:57:50] <Althego> so it is
effectively a part of an other craft
L140[10:57:50] <JVFoxy> ah ok.. thought
was in the update or something lol
L141[10:58:01] <JVFoxy> sorta mixed
feelings as to hinges being stock or not
L142[10:58:17] <Althego> at least give me
stock prop
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L145[10:58:47] <Althego> because the ones
i make are either horrible or dont work
L146[10:59:39] <JVFoxy> for me KSP seems
to be mix of rockets and planes. Not sure jet engines is a good
start off point.. props perhaps but thats just me.
L147[11:02:21] <JVFoxy> but hey.. at least
they keeping it mod'able...
L148[11:02:34] <JVFoxy> gotta wonder what
happened to them other games, where 'mods' were considered a bad
thing
L149[11:03:29] <Althego> props are needed
for the exploration of eve and duna
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L151[11:05:41] <Althego> so the best would
be a solar powered prop plane with folded wings. and drop it on
eve
L152[11:06:18] <JVFoxy> electric motored
props?
L153[11:06:30] <JVFoxy> curious to see how
the flying mars project will go over
L154[11:07:30] <Althego> only a few years
to wait :)
L155[11:07:43] <Althego> the other thing
is the rtg powered drone on titan
L156[11:09:58] <JVFoxy> speaking of RTG...
isn't the core supply geting a little scarce and old at this
point?
L157[11:10:23] <JVFoxy> far as I know...
they weren't making new material or weren't planning to. Maybe
mixing in some other stuff to help sustain the current stuff a bit
longer but beyond that...
L158[11:10:40] <Azander> they import the
fissionable material from Russia now
L159[11:11:21] <Azander> Uranium Mins in
Wyoming are complaining about it.
L160[11:11:55] <JVFoxy> not just the
mines... facilities to process it been shut down for a while now
last I heard
L161[11:12:07] <Azander> there is 1 left
in the US
L162[11:12:55] <Azander> According to the
articles I've read the only reason it is still operational is that
they are using it to "burn up" old material from our old
ICBMs
L163[11:13:59] <JVFoxy> mind you... info I
had was a few years old. Back then, they only had enough local
material for one major mission if they were going to use it really
soon. Otherwise, unless if it was blended with some other things,
could possibly sustain it a bit longer
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L165[11:14:50] <Azander> Artitles I've
been reading are less than 1 year old.
L166[11:16:04] <JVFoxy> I never got around
to following up on things... so much going on as it is.
L167[11:16:26] <JVFoxy> I know things can
change quickly or not so quickly
L168[11:17:08] <Azander> I suspect that
since the current president is very Pro-Military Might, they
believe they can get him to stop importing and create more mining
locally, along with building new processing plants.
L169[11:18:00] <Azander> I know they ue
the NK programs as reasons for it in the articles.
L170[11:18:00] <JVFoxy> I know up here in
Canada... was talk about shutting down material for medical
purposes even
L171[11:19:07] <Azander> *used
L172[11:19:18] <APlayer> o/ guys
L173[11:19:25] <Azander> hi
L174[11:19:25] <Mod9000> Hello,
Azander
L175[11:19:35] <APlayer> Just a friendly
reminder that we try to avoid political discussions in this
channel
L176[11:19:56] <Azander> yep... trying to
keep it "reporting the article" and not political
:)
L177[11:20:30] <APlayer> Alright. I only
see the last few messages, so I have little context. But anyway, a
reminder can never hurt. :P
L178[11:20:38] <Azander> right :)
L179[11:22:56] <Azander> We are talking
RTGs
L180[11:23:16] <APlayer> Ah, I see
L181[11:23:33] <APlayer> The lack of
Plutonium?
L182[11:23:38] <JVFoxy> ya
L183[11:23:48] <JVFoxy> article I saw.. or
maybe osmething Scott brought up in a vid some years back.
L184[11:23:56] <Azander> among other
rources that are lacking like processing facilities
L185[11:24:19] <APlayer> Well, Plutonium
is not the only fissionable material usable in RTGs
L186[11:24:29] <APlayer> Can also use
Americium and whatnot
L187[11:24:40] <JVFoxy> no but it doesn't
cause as much secondary effects as some of the others
L188[11:26:06] <Azander> The big issue is
that they only have 1 place they can process the materials, and
that same place is also decomissioning the Older ICBMs, along with
decomissioning the US stockpile of chamical weapons
L190[11:26:37] <APlayer> Many alternatives
to Plutonium
L191[11:27:36] <Azander> It has to be
reconfigured for each material to process it, at last according to
what I have been able to read
L192[11:27:38] <JVFoxy> ya but comes with
their own set of problems
L193[11:28:49] <JVFoxy> AM could be used,
just gotta remember to bump up the shielding slightly more
L194[11:31:35] <APlayer> Woah, something
big is happening. A dozen fire department trucks and a few
ambulances just passed by
L195[11:31:51] <Azander> yikes
L196[11:31:55] <JVFoxy> mmm...
L197[11:32:16] <JVFoxy> I'd ask where...
roughly
L198[11:32:47] <APlayer> South Germany, a
rather small town near Stuttgart
L199[11:33:06] <APlayer> "Near"
as in 100 km.
L200[11:33:21] <Azander> Local Fire
Department is at 2/3 strength.. they sent the other 1/3 to fight
fires in teh Western Us
L201[11:34:10] <JVFoxy> Lot of fires
further up the coast here too
L202[11:34:31] <JVFoxy> one very local
caused a lot of smog in the valley... last year, it was pretty bad,
lasted several weeks
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L204[11:35:49] <APlayer> Germany's not
having many problems with fires here, but Sweden is
L205[11:36:45] <APlayer> Oh, another fire
truck heading that way
L206[11:37:31] <JVFoxy> hmmm
L207[11:37:34] <APlayer> Probably
unrelated, though. They wouldn't send a single truck after many
other ones five minutes later
L208[11:38:48] <JVFoxy> depends on what
kinda truck
L209[11:39:02] <Azander> Unless it is the
special equipment truck, and didn't know they needed it until the
first reponder got there
L210[11:39:19] <Azander> or as a
road-block truck
L211[11:39:50] <Azander> Locally they
taker truck is usually about 5-10 bein dthe main group
L212[11:39:54] <Azander> *they
tanker
L213[11:39:57] <Azander> GRRR
L214[11:40:00] <Azander> The tanker
L215[11:42:07] <Eddi|zuHause> i find it
more likely that it's a truck from another department that was 5
minutes further away, when they asked for that many trucks
L216[11:42:14] <APlayer> And another lone
fire truck
L217[11:42:36] <APlayer> Humm, that sounds
plausible, Eddi
L218[11:42:52] <JVFoxy> got a local news
feed?
L219[11:43:03] <APlayer> Won't have
updated this quickly
L220[11:43:10] <APlayer> I'll have a look
in 2 - 3 hours
L221[11:43:35] <APlayer> It must be rather
close, though. I can smell the smoke
L222[11:43:37] <Eddi|zuHause> the big
group would then have been the professional fire brigade, whereas
the individual ones are the semi-professional from nearby
areas
L223[11:44:07] <JVFoxy> we have local
traffic reports both every 10 minutes as well as whenever something
happens...
L224[11:44:15] <APlayer> I don't think we
have nearby fire departments in the direction where that truck was
coming from
L225[11:44:45] <APlayer> JVFoxy: I live in
the middle of nowhere
L226[11:45:38] <Eddi|zuHause> "100km
outside of stuttgart" is deep forest, where witches lure
little children into their house and feed them until they get fat
enough to eat
L227[11:45:40] <JVFoxy> funny enough, last
year or so ago, fire took out the radio tower that gave out these
reports. :\
L228[11:45:44] <APlayer> Closest
reasonably sized town (i.e. population of more than 100 000) is 40
km away
L229[11:46:05] <APlayer> (Ulm)
L230[11:46:08] <JVFoxy> they managed to
put a temp tower up... less range, figured it would be like that
for a year or so. Managed to get it restored in a few weeks
L231[11:46:51] <Eddi|zuHause> i guess that
depends on whether the building structure was damaged, or
"just" the equipment
L232[11:47:13] <Eddi|zuHause> and how
quick the insurance pays up
L233[11:47:25] <APlayer> Well, radio
towers tend to be built from non-flammable materials, so...
L234[11:47:50] <JVFoxy> was just a tower
structure, small shed, fenced off. cause unknown
L235[11:48:08] <APlayer> Must have been
Jebs rocket again
L236[11:48:19] <JVFoxy> was in forested
area near new highway.. set back 1/4 mile. forest was cut back
about as far
L237[11:48:35] <JVFoxy> highway section
got shutdown.. but any case
L238[11:48:57] <Eddi|zuHause> well,
concrete can crack and steel can melt in hot enough
temperatures
L239[11:49:00] <JVFoxy> checking google
maps showing a lot of road closures around stuttgart... but nothing
indicating 'accident'.
L240[11:53:49] <APlayer> Eddi: Well, even
iron can bond with oxygen, so technically it can burn
L241[11:53:52] <JVFoxy> ok.. crash showed
up on the A8
L242[11:54:21] <JVFoxy> massive
backlog
L243[11:54:33] <APlayer> If you have thin
enough pieces of iron, it can actually burn, even in practice (try
to set one of those metal sponges on fire)
L244[11:54:53] <Eddi|zuHause> APlayer: i'd
define "burning" slightly more narrow than "any
oxidizing reaction"
L245[11:54:59] <APlayer> (Do it outside
and wear safety glasses, though, wouldn't want to get a molten bit
of metal in your eye)
L246[11:55:28] <Eddi|zuHause> yes, steel
wool can burn
L248[11:56:39] <kmath> YouTube -
Stahlwolle anzünden (ignite steel wool)
L249[11:56:45] <APlayer> Woops, you
ninja'd me
L250[11:57:26] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly
sure we did that in school like 20 years ago
L251[11:57:46] <APlayer> Yeah, you do that
in chemistry class
L253[12:04:48] <Althego> lol
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L255[12:05:17] <JVFoxy> should do a balsa
wood clog, into a quad.. see how the dutch feel about that.
:)
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L257[12:08:38] <APlayer> The props look
like they just barely don't crash into each other
L258[12:14:29] <Eddi|zuHause> that's how
it should be?
L259[12:15:00] <Azander> DANGIT, my save
file seems to have become corrupted
L260[12:15:03] <Eddi|zuHause> looks like
lots of surplus weight, though
L261[12:15:26] <Eddi|zuHause> Azander:
easy, just continue from your last backup :p
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L263[12:16:29] <Eddi|zuHause> (autosave,
quicksave, ...)
L264[12:16:31] <Azander> Eddi|zuHause:
yep. From a week ago :(
L265[12:16:54] <Azander> so far all the
others are damaged. looks like something damaged that portion of my
drive
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L269[12:17:21] <Eddi|zuHause> that does
not sound good
L270[12:17:37] <Azander> no.. not to check
system for issues instead of playing :(
L271[12:18:39] <Azander> not=now
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L276[12:52:54] <JVFoxy> 0_o
L277[12:53:02] <JVFoxy> if not now.. when?
:P
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L281[13:01:41] <JVFoxy> egh
L282[13:02:52] <Althego> watch out he is a
player :)
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L284[13:03:44] <BPlayer> Can't make puns
now, huh? :P
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L286[13:06:21] <BPlayer> CPU (or GPU) fans
are humming in the PC. Let's pause KSP in the background, so that
the room is silent.
L287[13:06:31] <JVFoxy> ...
L288[13:06:34] *
BPlayer clicks Pause - PC goes "woooOOOOOOO"
L289[13:06:59] *
JVFoxy watches own PC choke a bit on Second Life graphics...
>.<
L290[13:18:56] <Althego> hehe like
dreadnough hangar scene. nothing to do, therefore gpu fans are on
max
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L293[13:32:17] <JVFoxy> mmm..
L294[13:42:50] <Tank2333> yes
L295[13:47:33] <Althego> what if i made
the flattest hinge possible. then added some docking ports at the
stop point, bit farther from the body. then i would be able to add
the wings folded to the body. maybe with the wind or with
sepratrons unfold them backwards , where they hit the docking ports
and connect to them
L296[13:48:05] <Althego> this could work,
but i have to design a stable flat hinge
L297[13:48:27] <Althego> if it is not
stable the wings would just shear off
L298[13:49:44] <JVFoxy> I'd worry
sepratrons would mean singl euse
L299[13:50:57] <BPlayer> Use dockable
sepratrons
L300[13:51:04] <BPlayer> Add new ones when
the old ones are expended
L301[13:51:58] <JVFoxy> or just use little
fuel rockets.. can just refuel without having to swap
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L304[13:59:27] <JVFoxy> anyone poke at the
'what did you do today in ksp' part of the forums? Ever get
jealous.. or wonder why never got around to posting things?
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L307[14:06:45] <Althego> single use is ok.
all it has to do in the target atmosphere is to break out of a
fairing, unfold the wings, and start the engine
L308[14:06:57] <Althego> it would be
spectacular
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L310[14:09:06] <JVFoxy> lot as it 'breaks
out' rather than 'breaks off'...
L311[14:14:29] <Althego> yes, it is an
egg, and the bird flies away
L313[14:16:13] <Althego> doesnt work too
well
L314[14:16:29] <Althego> but these sort of
things are always very picky about part distance
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L318[14:22:29] <Althego> probably the
issue is that the decouplers dont like each other
L319[14:22:46] <Althego> so i have to come
up with an other method
L320[14:23:28] <Althego> if only the gears
had an attachment point
L321[14:23:55] <JVFoxy> I seen people do
hinges with leaner RCS and thermometers
L322[14:24:17] <Althego> yes but that
would be rather thick
L323[14:24:25] <Althego> but maybe not
thicker than this
L324[14:24:30] <JVFoxy> then used docking
ports as atchement points
L325[14:24:36] <BPlayer> Do doubly
redundant RCS thrusters for a 1 - 2 year long mission make sense in
KSP? Or perhaps bring spares via KIS container and replace when
needed?
L326[14:24:45] <BPlayer> With
Kerbalism*
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L352[15:17:12] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L420[23:06:01] <Tortoise767> ;seen
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