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L81[06:47:32] <Fluburtur> why are printers like this
L82[06:57:37] <Eddi|zuHause> it's a conspiracy.
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L90[07:49:25] <Fluburtur> my grandma decided I was sick because of my 3d printer
L91[07:49:47] <Fluburtur> pulled a paper about thin particles and ABS but I don't even use ABS
L92[07:51:52] <Althego> what does this mean
L93[07:52:33] <Fluburtur> what
L94[07:53:03] <Althego> pulling a paper, thin particles, abs, and how is this related to 3d printers
L95[07:53:29] <Althego> so i have trouble understanding these 4
L96[07:54:05] <Fluburtur> well ABS can produce bad fumes but I don't care because I don't have ABS, idk how a printer can produce thin particles
L97[07:54:26] <Fluburtur> also I have been having good ventilation in my room when I got sick because it was too hot
L98[07:54:35] <Fluburtur> PLA is pretty much harmless
L99[07:55:03] <Althego> a sheet or a thread can be thin, i dont see how a particle can be thin. maybe small, tiny, fine
L100[07:55:20] <Fluburtur> yeah small particules
L101[07:55:25] <Fluburtur> you know I can't actually english
L102[07:55:36] <Althego> like i am that much better
L103[07:55:56] <Althego> so what is with the paper. is that some kind of filter now?
L104[07:56:17] <Fluburtur> nah she just gave me a paper about that
L105[07:56:28] <Althego> as in article
L106[07:56:34] <Kalpa> As in a scientific paper
L107[07:56:36] <Althego> ok i am starting to understand it
L108[07:56:42] <Kalpa> In academia they're called 'papers' for some reason
L109[07:56:56] <Althego> i know
L110[07:57:06] <Althego> but didnt think that wasthe meaning there
L111[07:57:15] <Fluburtur> doesn't seem very scientific at all
L112[07:57:20] <Althego> it seemed unrealistic a grandmother looking up scientific papers about stuff
L113[07:57:36] <Fluburtur> they use homeopathy
L114[07:57:40] <Kalpa> Respected science journals have been on downhill alas
L115[07:57:41] <Althego> haha
L116[07:57:58] <Kalpa> And the advent of pseudoscience is palpable
L117[07:58:00] <Fluburtur> I want to replace all that with regular sugar
L118[07:58:05] <Fluburtur> because there is no difference
L119[07:58:53] <Althego> you think so? imagine what happened here in the 90s. during socialism there was not much about religion or occult. so in the 90s all these things just exploded here from nowhere
L120[07:59:42] <Althego> compared to that we have a slight background noise increase from flat earthers
L121[07:59:54] <APlayer> OTOH, we didn't have KSP during the 90s either
L122[08:00:01] <Triffid_Hunter> Althego: asbestos is a perfect example of fine particles that are thin and cause health problems
L123[08:00:02] <APlayer> So I'd say we're making progress
L124[08:00:13] <Althego> but even then my fear is after a while anti-science idiots may win in the ling run, ruining all that humanity has achieved
L125[08:00:28] <Fluburtur> you know homeopathy sugar pellets are actually covered by health insurance in france
L126[08:00:35] <Althego> eh
L127[08:00:37] <Fluburtur> refunded 20% and 80% in some areas
L128[08:00:50] <Althego> they do have some effect, just not better than placebo
L129[08:00:57] <APlayer> 20% and 80% = 100%?
L130[08:01:01] <Fluburtur> no
L131[08:01:07] <APlayer> :P
L132[08:01:14] <Fluburtur> most is 20 but some are 80
L133[08:01:52] <Fluburtur> and like, actual doctors made an assiciantion or something to get those refuns removed because it's not actual medicine so the homeopathy peoples started suing the real doctors
L134[08:01:58] <APlayer> I wouldn't agree however that homeopathy is useless. Herbs do contain certain compounds that are helpful in some cases
L135[08:02:22] <Fluburtur> even when disolved like 1 molecule in the whole ocean?
L136[08:02:44] <Fluburtur> I can just go outside eat a flower for free
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L138[08:03:22] <Althego> there was a time when homeopathy was not useless. at that time medicine was so primitive it actually harmed people, so homeopathy doing nothing was better than that
L139[08:03:24] <APlayer> Synthetic medicine tends to have greater effects
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L141[08:13:04] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_NZ1ql8B8Y
L142[08:13:04] <kmath> YouTube - THE SCUTOID: did scientists discover a new shape?
L143[08:13:15] <Althego> hehe, they found the shape in living cekks
L144[08:13:18] <Althego> cells
L145[08:14:09] <Eddi|zuHause> <Althego> but even then my fear is after a while anti-science idiots may win in the ling run, ruining all that humanity has achieved <-- we're straight on the path to a new "middle/dark age"
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L147[08:15:05] <Eddi|zuHause> where in 500 years historians will digg up stuff about "wow, they were so advanced, and over the course of 50 years, everything disappeared"
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L151[08:21:30] <Eddi|zuHause> and they'll wonder why the exploding nuclear power plants were the cause or the effect of the decline
L152[08:23:34] <Eddi|zuHause> <Fluburtur> you know homeopathy sugar pellets are actually covered by health insurance in france <-- that isn't particularly hard to do, you just need a big enough lobby
L153[08:23:56] <Fluburtur> but that's stupid
L154[08:24:50] <Eddi|zuHause> and the key parts of pseudoscience are 1) it sounds plausible to an intelligent but untrained-in-the-field ear, and 2) the people promoting them are a loud minority
L155[08:25:37] <Eddi|zuHause> like they made studies about the placebo effect, and found that it works better on highly educated people
L156[08:26:13] <Althego> hehe
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L158[08:26:41] <UmbralRaptor> https://twitter.com/mainframed767/status/1025023780416966656
L159[08:26:42] <kmath> <mainframed767> EVERYWHERE https://t.co/CFTijCvaTT
L160[08:27:50] <Althego> what if i want to kick cards instead of punching them?
L161[08:28:07] <Althego> hehe comment from soldier of fortran
L162[08:28:08] <Eddi|zuHause> also things that increase the effectiveness of placebos: injections work better than pills, and operations(!) work better than injections
L163[08:28:25] <Althego> ah yes there are operations conducted regularly
L164[08:28:29] <Eddi|zuHause> and placebos work better if administered from high level doctors
L165[08:28:32] <Althego> that dont have any effect better than placebos
L166[08:29:49] <UmbralRaptor> Okay, so what happens if you prescribe a homeopathic placebo?
L167[08:30:18] <Althego> i consider myself one of the last fortran programmers. when a while back i was thinking what non scripting language i can use on an ok level it turned out fortran was right behind c. now maybe c++ got up in front of fortran, but still it is in the 3rd place
L168[08:31:13] <UmbralRaptor> FORTRAN is very much still in use.
L169[08:31:13] <Eddi|zuHause> UmbralRaptor: the world implodes from the paradox
L170[08:31:37] * UmbralRaptor eyes high performance computing
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L172[08:38:09] <JVFoxy> mmm...
L173[08:38:14] <JVFoxy> oooornning.. ugh..
L174[08:38:27] <JVFoxy> well at least this morning gone off to a better start than most of the others.
L175[08:38:30] <Althego> east coast?
L176[08:38:32] <Eddi|zuHause> 15:38, good morning
L177[08:38:41] <JVFoxy> west coast.. 0638
L178[08:38:49] <Althego> hehe that is quite earlz
L179[08:38:57] <Eddi|zuHause> you get up at those ungodly hours?
L180[08:39:03] <JVFoxy> no.. early is waking up at 2am... can't sleep
L181[08:39:31] <JVFoxy> mostly because couldn't stay up past 7pm.. end up crashing on chair..
L182[08:39:37] <Eddi|zuHause> 6:38 is when i'm asleep for 2 hours give or take
L183[08:39:45] <Althego> lol
L184[08:39:50] <Althego> i woke up at 5:30 today
L185[08:40:02] <Althego> which was still yesterday for americans
L186[08:40:18] <JVFoxy> my office opens 530
L187[08:40:42] <Eddi|zuHause> i quit my last job because they wanted me to show up at 9:00
L188[08:40:49] <Althego> lol
L189[08:40:52] <Althego> i would too
L190[08:41:01] <Althego> no way i could waste several hours in the morning until i go to work
L191[08:41:38] <JVFoxy> 9am I can do
L192[08:41:47] <Eddi|zuHause> no, trying to shift my sleeping pattern literally made me sick
L193[08:42:52] <JVFoxy> can't say the heatwave here really been helping matters, just as I was getting at the tail end of dealing with a loss
L194[08:43:01] <Althego> that is hwy you dont shift, but control them :)
L195[08:44:18] <JVFoxy> easier said than done sometimes
L196[08:44:26] <Eddi|zuHause> Althego: if you go to bed at 22:00 and then spend 6 hours wide awake desperately attempting to fall asleep, then have to get up after effectively sleeping for 1 hour... it wears you down pretty quickly
L197[08:44:35] * UmbralRaptor ? sleep with ☕
L198[08:44:35] <Althego> it was a joke, but you can also try to alt them :)
L199[08:45:00] <Althego> even lot less does
L200[08:45:17] <Althego> like leaving the base around midnight, then being there at 7 next morning
L201[08:46:19] <JVFoxy> in my case it was more ending up sleeping on the floor to help avoid most of the heat, then waking up several hours later, sore back, slightly damp, headache... >_<
L202[08:46:38] <Eddi|zuHause> i told them when i started that 10:00 is the earliest i can realistically sustain, but they kept pushing and pushing
L203[08:46:44] <Eddi|zuHause> and it didn't get any better
L204[08:47:24] <Eddi|zuHause> over the course of about a year
L205[08:47:47] <JVFoxy> honestly.. I'd rather consistent hours. One of the jobs I had, kept moving the start time, then it was random overtime nearly every day, then wanted to work Saturdays. Once was 14 days straight, only 2 off, then 5... back to normal..or what passed for normal there.
L206[08:47:58] <JVFoxy> Its a wonder I got burnt out there after 5 years
L207[08:52:57] <JVFoxy> I'm tempted to stream an older ksp...
L208[08:54:04] <Althego> have to admit that ksp is not really an action packed game. so streaming it is mostly trying to do something in the hangar with occasional explosions around ksc
L209[08:54:11] <Althego> in short not too interesting
L210[08:54:37] <Eddi|zuHause> why would streams need to be action packed?
L211[08:54:52] <Althego> because if nothing happens it is boring
L212[08:55:05] <JVFoxy> lol.. well I could always fire up the first release of KSP I have... see whats changed since
L213[08:55:21] <Eddi|zuHause> were you attending the michael bay shool of entertainment?
L214[08:55:28] <Althego> hehe
L215[08:55:29] <Eddi|zuHause> +c
L216[08:55:31] <Althego> i like ksp
L217[08:55:38] <Althego> but watching a game is not like playing it
L218[08:56:03] <JVFoxy> ya well.. I found watching golf, not the same as playing
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L220[08:56:39] <JVFoxy> I could just record, edit, post...
L221[08:57:01] <JVFoxy> I've been putting off a certain rescue mission for far too long...
L222[08:57:17] <Althego> flying a mission that is already built and planned
L223[08:57:22] <Althego> that could be mroe interesting
L224[08:58:33] <JVFoxy> so... just going through the motions, no sense of mystery and suspense?
L225[08:58:56] <Althego> there is plenty of that if an actual human is flying it
L226[08:59:02] <Eddi|zuHause> you must be watching completely different lets plays than i am
L227[08:59:12] <Althego> i dont
L228[08:59:30] <JVFoxy> I don't mine the occasional 'chill' playthroughs... sometimes the banter between players is funny
L229[08:59:33] <Althego> i would rther play something myself
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L231[09:02:36] <JVFoxy> I remember some people talking about streaming through twitch or youtube, but I've also wondered if better just to record alone and edit/post after.
L232[09:03:10] <JVFoxy> I'd probably feel 'bad', leaving out the potential for intereaction...
L233[09:12:52] <Althego> hehe my new x-15 has mad it into orbit
L234[09:13:00] <UmbralRaptor> Depends on the people you know and your goals.
L235[09:13:06] <Althego> ok, it was launched from a test platform instead of a b-52
L236[09:13:17] <UmbralRaptor> Althego: quick, claim it was an X-20.
L237[09:13:19] <Althego> and uses one of the dlc engines
L238[09:13:59] <UmbralRaptor> The DLC engines are silly. Like, they attempt balance…
L239[09:15:27] <Althego> haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPbXgVBUkeA
L240[09:15:27] <kmath> YouTube - Master Replica Group HAL 9000 Product Line
L241[09:16:01] <Eddi|zuHause> man, i spent crazy amounts of money to build this big dam in cities skylines, but it doesn't seem to run full :/
L242[09:16:30] <Eddi|zuHause> so it just sits there producing 0 energy
L243[09:18:41] <JVFoxy> you just plunked a dam on the water and thats it?
L244[09:19:39] <Eddi|zuHause> it was a narrow valley with a speedy river
L245[09:20:14] <Eddi|zuHause> i built the dam, it started filling up on one side, and at some point the currents all stopped
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L247[09:22:02] <JVFoxy> investingating
L248[09:23:28] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm currently assuming it's overflowing in some part of the map that i can't see
L249[09:23:45] <JVFoxy> fills up to to the top.. you sure?
L250[09:23:57] <JVFoxy> some people been reporting this issue since 2015
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L252[09:27:04] <Eddi|zuHause> filled up about half way i'd say
L253[09:27:17] <Eddi|zuHause> nowhere near the top
L254[09:27:44] <JVFoxy> the dam needs to fill to the top before it can produce anything
L255[09:30:52] <JVFoxy> if this is of any help... https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/dam-problem.842244/
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L258[09:33:52] <Kalpa> JVFoxy: "EDIT2: after checking out the map editor, i suppose the problem is that a water source doesn't have a real outflow volume but a desired waterlevel (and some sort of arbitrary outflow value between 0 and 1) and if a dam is higher then the desired water level, water just stops coming if that water level is reached at the dam, even though its supposed to be a river that never stops bringing in
L259[09:33:58] <Kalpa> more water " probably that, ie. a map quirk
L260[09:35:27] <JVFoxy> they suggest trying to lower the dam... at least one person complained, why does it have to be filled to the brim before it works?
L261[09:35:44] <Kalpa> Because.
L262[09:35:46] <JVFoxy> too simplistic/unforgiving
L263[09:36:07] <Kalpa> Make a game of your own then.
L264[09:36:08] <JVFoxy> a damn that isn't filled, could still run, just not ideally at the 100%
L265[09:36:23] <Kalpa> Mod it in!
L266[09:36:26] <Kalpa> Etc, etc, etc
L267[09:36:37] <JVFoxy> this was a comment on the forums.. not me saying this
L268[09:37:15] <Kalpa> I've been feeling like playing something for a few days now
L269[09:37:26] <Kalpa> But I just can't figure out what to play
L270[09:38:59] <Kalpa> Evidently I'm suffering from an acute case of gamer's block
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L274[09:50:48] <Eddi|zuHause> ok, no idea what happened now :/
L275[09:51:27] <JVFoxy> mm?
L276[09:51:33] <Althego> ping timeout happened
L277[09:51:34] <JVFoxy> you get my link from earlier?
L278[09:51:38] <JVFoxy> ah that
L279[09:51:50] <Eddi|zuHause> my system froze
L280[09:52:07] <Eddi|zuHause> in a different way than the graphics card problem earlier
L281[09:52:22] <JVFoxy> regarding the dam issue... if this helps any? https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/dam-problem.842244/
L282[09:52:22] <Eddi|zuHause> no, last line i got was <JVFoxy> the dam needs to fill to the top before it can produce anything
L283[09:53:18] <JVFoxy> someone suggested lowering the dam slightly, see if it fills to the top... then produces (ugh i keep wanting to type damn.. stupid muscle memories)
L284[09:53:32] <Eddi|zuHause> hehe
L285[09:53:40] <Eddi|zuHause> i have no money to move the dam though
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L287[09:54:04] <Eddi|zuHause> this was my "the solution to all energy problems" project, so i sunk everything into it
L288[09:55:50] <JVFoxy> I don't know the game very well... no way to retry?
L289[09:59:40] <Eddi|zuHause> with roads you get some money back if you destroy them short after construction, but there was no such tooltip when hovering over the dam, so i didn't try
L290[10:00:22] <JVFoxy> was thinking more.. restarting the session from a save point... not sure how the game deals with sessions if it auto saves as you play
L291[10:01:08] <Eddi|zuHause> i made a savegame, but i probably overwrote that by now, as i did other stuff that warranted saving
L292[10:01:23] <JVFoxy> are you on a windows system?
L293[10:01:27] <Eddi|zuHause> no
L294[10:01:57] <JVFoxy> ah.. if you were, I'd offer up looking into 'revert from previous version' feature..
L295[10:11:54] <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's not that big of a problem to have sunk all the money in it, but it's too much to just tear it down and try again
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L297[10:15:51] <JVFoxy> woulda been nice if you knew ahead if it wasn't going to fill.. not a 'ya if it fills, you'll get this much'.. instead, it doesn't even consider if it can fill up to that point or not
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L301[10:22:41] <Althego> they removed the legs after all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZVvt17BagY
L302[10:22:41] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX - Block 5 Merlins - Remote Cap - 1047 08-02-2018
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L304[10:28:39] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, the estimate is pretty useless
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L306[10:37:10] <Fluburtur> maybe I should get from the depths
L307[10:37:16] <Fluburtur> is it still a good game?
L308[10:37:52] <JVFoxy> lol... just me or does anyone wish they could 'pin' the data in map mode from closest approach?
L309[10:38:13] <APlayer> Removed the legs for what?
L310[10:38:20] <Althego> for transport
L311[10:38:23] <APlayer> Ah
L312[10:38:30] <Althego> supposedly the block 5 legs should be just folded back
L313[10:38:34] <Althego> that was one of the improvements
L314[10:38:35] <Althego> less work
L315[10:38:41] <Althego> they tried to do that
L316[10:39:04] <Althego> but it seems ultimately it ws too hard to do
L317[10:39:04] <APlayer> Perhaps they're still testing and trying things out
L318[10:39:42] <APlayer> SpaceX strikes me as a company that does not necessarily sticks to schedules, but eventually, they do deliver what they promised
L319[10:40:01] <Althego> the b-52 has a length of 48 m. in the ksp editor it is huge
L320[10:40:16] <APlayer> That is, if the Block 5 is not reusable for 100 + times yet, I am confident they will achieve that eventually
L321[10:40:27] <APlayer> Even if they claim that it would be the final iteration of the rocket
L322[10:40:54] <Althego> i cant build a plane that long
L323[10:41:43] <JVFoxy> Althego just scale it down to kerbal size
L324[10:41:56] <Althego> i use the editor readouts
L325[10:41:57] <JVFoxy> I'm guessing you using 48m as in the real world length?
L326[10:42:23] <JVFoxy> for a kerbal.. 1m is pretty tall...
L327[10:42:25] <Althego> but then the body width is not proportional
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L329[10:47:24] <Althego> i think i scale it down a bit. which is a problem, because the x-15 is around as big as it should be
L330[10:49:44] <APlayer> Build two planes half the length and launch both at once
L331[10:49:46] <Fluburtur> eh I think I might just get from the depths
L332[10:49:57] <Fluburtur> seems like I could waste a lot of time in there
L333[10:50:59] <JVFoxy> ok... remember reading you can move a point of a strut around.. but jsut the one end?
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L335[10:58:28] <JVFoxy> frig... ok maybe a bit too much power..
L336[10:58:40] <JVFoxy> overshot the rescue orbit by a lot :P
L337[11:02:10] <UmbralRaptor> http://www.planetary.org/explore/space-topics/space-missions/mer-updates/2018/08-mer-update-opportunity-sleeps.html
L338[11:15:44] <Althego> funny that we are not even on mars yet we already need a weather report
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L340[11:17:21] <UmbralRaptor> Define "we", meatbag.
L341[11:17:26] <Althego> hehe
L342[11:17:31] <Althego> humans
L343[11:17:31] <UmbralRaptor> (2 rovers, 5 orbiters)
L344[11:19:27] <JVFoxy> kind of nice to know what to expect for when we do go there
L345[11:19:33] <Fluburtur> the clock uses one full watt?
L346[11:19:38] <Fluburtur> that sounds like a lot
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L350[11:37:00] <JVFoxy> take one tourist into orbit, rescue two kerbals from contracts...
L351[11:37:13] <JVFoxy> ok, built something for the mission to do those in one go...
L352[11:37:29] <JVFoxy> first attempt fails... lack of fuel. revert to fix
L353[11:38:34] <JVFoxy> go back out, managed to rescue both stranded kerbals, only to realize revert threw out my tourist. >.<
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L360[11:56:30] <APlayer> JVFoxy: Better yet, when this happens on a tourist only mission
L361[11:56:44] <APlayer> So you flew for nothing
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L365[12:11:44] <Althego> well well, americans know their engineering, this flies http://warpology.com/k/b52.png
L366[12:12:43] <Fluburtur> yeah and it will fly long after their newer crap
L367[12:12:45] <Fluburtur> somehow
L368[12:12:56] <Althego> note that this is about √2 times smaller than the original
L369[12:13:01] <Althego> still quite big in ksp
L370[12:13:12] <Fluburtur> yeah ksp sizes are weird
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L372[12:14:46] <JVFoxy> well at least with a tourist only mission, the lack of kerbal face cams would be a c,lue something's wrong
L373[12:15:59] <JVFoxy> Althego A-10...
L374[12:16:24] <Fluburtur> the A-10 was designed by a french traitor
L375[12:17:07] <Althego> if i wanted to fly any plane above enemy territory, that would be the a-10
L376[12:17:35] <Althego> can fly back with the loss of hydraulics, one engine, one half of a wing, one tailfin, and a puncured fuel tank
L377[12:18:02] <Althego> all at the same time
L378[12:18:28] <JVFoxy> which was the plane they used in a war... enemy was expecting super sonic bombers, instead, the US switched down to prop planes, slow and low. Enemy had hard time hitting because sites weren't calibrated for slow
L379[12:18:33] <Fluburtur> what if it is all on the same side
L380[12:19:39] <JVFoxy> one f-15 pilot flew back with whole wing missing
L381[12:19:58] <JVFoxy> had no clue till he landed... spewing so much fuel it disgused it
L382[12:20:05] <Fluburtur> yeah it was nice
L383[12:20:17] <Fluburtur> it inspired the story of Pixy in ace combat zero
L384[12:20:53] <Althego> yes but that plane has lot of lift on the body
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L386[12:21:26] <Althego> and doubt it could fly back with the damage a-10 can
L387[12:21:33] <Rokker> JVFoxy: he had to use the F-15 tailhook for it
L388[12:21:49] <Rokker> Althego: depends on where the damage is
L389[12:22:10] <Rokker> all tall should be ashamed, talking usaf without me
L390[12:22:41] <JVFoxy> had to fly pretty fast to make the jet body act like a wing.. because it was pretty wide already
L391[12:23:31] <Althego> now i am supposed to cut a slit in the right wing for the tail of the x-15
L392[12:23:37] <Althego> but maybe i dont bother with that
L393[12:23:55] <JVFoxy> I think with the f-15.. also helped that roll control was also provided by the elevators as well. Think some developers used the experience to make better control recovery systems
L394[12:24:23] <Althego> does it have thrust vectoring? probably not
L395[12:24:46] <JVFoxy> no... just throat control on the nozzles
L396[12:24:47] <Fluburtur> nah
L397[12:24:59] <Fluburtur> a lot of planes with full flying tail also have roll
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L399[12:25:21] <Fluburtur> I know they added that on the sukhoi 27 for added stability
L400[12:25:47] <JVFoxy> I wouldn't be surprised if the f-15 had been considered for thrust vectoring.. usually with twin engines, don't typically have yaw control by engines
L401[12:25:59] <Althego> now this has 1.3 twr, which is too big for the b-52, but that is for full loading of 220 t, while this is slightly lighter than an empty b-52
L402[12:26:02] <JVFoxy> since you can differential thrust
L403[12:30:44] <Fluburtur> the f15 probably doesn't actively use dif thrust
L404[12:30:59] <Fluburtur> because jets take some time to respon and they are still somewhat close
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L406[12:31:11] <Althego> now the painful part, integrating the x-15
L407[12:32:18] <JVFoxy> throttle for each engine..
L408[12:32:41] <JVFoxy> it wouldn't be instant...
L409[12:32:45] <Fluburtur> yeah but would you actively think about changing that while in a situation that would require it
L410[12:33:14] <Fluburtur> also it would be better for a long slow turn that anything in a combat situation
L411[12:33:23] <Rokker> Fluburtur: gaijin hates its fanbase
L412[12:33:30] <Fluburtur> yeah it does
L413[12:33:36] <Fluburtur> I hate this pilot damage thing
L414[12:33:52] <JVFoxy> perhaps not.. though with the b52.. does make me wonder if they had at least some partial differential thrust to overcome carrying the x-15
L415[12:33:56] <Fluburtur> I was flying my yak 3p the other day then my pilot was slightl yellow and I couldn't turn anymore
L416[12:33:57] <Rokker> Fluburtur: nah I'm grinding the ground forces summer event
L417[12:33:59] <Rokker> its awful
L418[12:34:22] <Rokker> JVFoxy: they didnt
L419[12:34:35] <Rokker> that's what the big tail was for
L420[12:34:53] <JVFoxy> lol.. so just like taking off in a prop plane
L421[12:34:59] <JVFoxy> gotta give it some rud
L422[12:35:03] <Fluburtur> I think the only times peoples used engine for steering is when they had no other controls left
L423[12:35:12] <JVFoxy> I know ksp isn't quite as forggiving
L424[12:35:32] <Rokker> Fluburtur: and for, yknow, the B-2 and other tallest vehicles
L425[12:35:47] <JVFoxy> the a-37 Firefly, they would cruise around on one engine a lot... so much power, wasn't really needed for loitering in areas
L426[12:36:21] <Rokker> you mean dragonfly
L427[12:36:56] <JVFoxy> ya.. sorry dragonfly.. lol. I'm so used to the trainer version, Tweeter
L428[12:37:06] <JVFoxy> I've a couple of models of the T-37b
L429[12:37:15] <Rokker> trainer version was tweet
L430[12:37:33] <JVFoxy> well one version is dragonfly but leave off a few things, it becomes the tweeter
L431[12:37:49] <JVFoxy> I so wanted to buy one when they retired
L432[12:38:11] <Rokker> and single engine thrust was a thing, but it wasnt ever used for the differential thrust bit of it
L433[12:38:20] <JVFoxy> no...
L434[12:38:30] <JVFoxy> but did get me thinking on engine out sorta thing
L435[12:39:36] <Althego> probably with the wheesley engines are not going to take it high up
L436[12:40:26] <Rokker> the B-52 here lost 2 engines on her last mission
L437[12:40:46] <JVFoxy> thnk wheesley's suffer a lot starting around 8km
L438[12:41:09] <Althego> yes, so probably even 10 km is hard with this
L439[12:42:11] <JVFoxy> depends... might loose a lot of speed.
L440[12:42:26] <Fluburtur> idk I got to 10km with a juno once
L441[12:42:58] <JVFoxy> Most of my flights to the poles, takes up a bit of fuel till I get to crusing, around 6-7km.. then engines don't use as much even at full throttle
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L443[12:44:37] <oren> I used to do a lot of jet plane stuff, these days I prefer to do a suborbital spaceplane
L444[12:45:08] <JVFoxy> I still do plane stuff...
L445[12:45:10] <Eddi|zuHause> dangit it did it again, i built another dam lower this time, and it fell still a tiny bit short :/
L446[12:45:25] <JVFoxy> though.. sometimes I get a contract to do some survey half way around the planet and wonder... 'why?'
L447[12:46:09] <oren> yeah it's much faster to make a suborbital spaceplane with an auxiliary jet engine for the final part
L448[12:46:42] <JVFoxy> oren did something like that a few times for just around the KSC... mostly for 'above 16-18km' stuff
L449[12:47:24] <oren> if you use the mk1 command pod as a nosecone you can come in at 2500 m/s in a ballistc arch
L450[12:47:47] <Rokker> JVFoxy: https://media.defense.gov/2005/Dec/27/2000572458/-1/-1/0/051018-F-1234P-025.JPG
L451[12:48:01] <Rokker> rip engineybois
L452[12:49:28] <JVFoxy> Rokker huh?
L453[12:49:39] <JVFoxy> one engine on each pilot or ..?
L454[12:49:45] <JVFoxy> bleh..
L455[12:49:54] <Rokker> one engine on each yeah
L456[12:49:56] <JVFoxy> sorry... I mean b52 lost an engine on each pylon or..?
L457[12:50:05] <Rokker> SA-2 asploded near it
L458[12:50:15] <JVFoxy> ok so .. not as terrible
L459[12:51:29] <oren> Hmm, why can't ksp planes fly so well with differential thust like that
L460[12:51:41] <Rokker> could have been a lot worse, yeah
L461[12:51:55] <Rokker> oren: cause it's a lot harder to trim out?
L462[12:55:41] <Althego> i could get up to 10 km, but that was without the x-15
L463[12:58:50] <JVFoxy> x-15 quite a bit of weight?
L464[12:59:06] <JVFoxy> probably also adds a lot of drag too..
L465[13:00:24] <oren> fire the x15 engine to compensate
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L468[13:13:48] <JVFoxy> lol...
L469[13:14:06] <JVFoxy> while EVA... I keep getting forwards/backwards mixed up with up/down keys for jetpack
L470[13:15:13] <Althego> kind of annoying yes
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L472[13:17:37] <JVFoxy> kind of stems from playing a lot of descent game for me
L473[13:25:21] <oren> I use a custom control scheme
L474[13:25:28] <oren> FGHRTY
L475[13:26:16] <oren> FGHRTY for jet pack, IJKL for rover wheels, QWEASD for spacecraft
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L477[13:26:29] <JVFoxy> fps with awsd... 3d with awsd+shift/ctrl
L478[13:26:39] <JVFoxy> er wait... no.. descent I used keypad
L479[13:26:47] <JVFoxy> a/z was forwards and back
L480[13:26:58] <JVFoxy> ctrl was fire, space missile
L481[13:27:06] <Althego> yes the vertical stabilizer cuts into the wing, just as in the real one :)
L482[13:27:43] <Althego> but because of the scale differences the wings also clip into the body and the engines
L483[13:28:34] <Draconiator> found a webcam at a local thrift store....can I use the microphone on it by itself too?
L484[13:28:42] <oren> oh and I changed the rcs and sas to C V
L485[13:28:49] <JVFoxy> Draconiator which webcam?
L486[13:29:28] <oren> I shoudl try using a three axis joystick though
L487[13:31:03] <Draconiator> Windows says it's a Creative VF0350 LIVE
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L491[13:34:40] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/Y7nvsZaZ2ik
L492[13:34:40] <kmath> YouTube - vg33 tail controls
L493[13:35:34] <Fluburtur> Althego should I get from the depths
L494[13:35:53] <Fluburtur> im not sure I want it just because robbaz makes it look like a nice game or if I will actually enjoy it
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L496[13:36:15] <Althego> i dont know about it
L497[13:36:56] <Fluburtur> uh
L498[13:37:19] <Althego> http://warpology.com/k/problem.png
L499[13:37:47] <Fluburtur> eh screw it I will get it
L500[13:37:52] <Fluburtur> then maybe I will play it
L501[13:37:56] <JVFoxy> Draconiator might be able to.. depends on the software you use
L502[13:38:16] <JVFoxy> I know OBS lets you chose which sound source
L503[13:39:16] <Althego> with this i assume they used fuel unbalance to compensate
L504[13:39:29] <Althego> and i cant do that because the wings dont contain any fuel
L505[13:42:55] <JVFoxy> could throw on a few fuel tanks
L506[13:43:10] <Althego> but maybe now i can use the fact that the i-beams are made of osmium or something
L507[13:43:24] <oren> or throw on a few reaction wheels
L508[13:43:29] <oren> just a few
L509[13:43:36] <Fluburtur> wow FTD is super quick to download
L510[13:44:30] <Althego> again because of the size differences the bottom fin is close to the ground
L511[13:45:24] <Althego> lol now there is fog on the runway
L512[13:45:51] <Althego> two beams at the tip were not enough
L513[13:51:10] <Fluburtur> I used my old nick in ftd because it sounds more pirate
L514[13:52:10] <Fluburtur> my internet nick before this one was "Kreptouk"
L515[13:57:41] <Althego> and after clipping a few tonnes of metal plates in the left wing, the com is alright again
L516[13:58:01] <Althego> and with this after the decoupling the plane is going to steer left on its own, getting out of the way
L517[14:01:49] <Althego> hard to fly even with the com in the middl,e because of drag and thrust problems
L518[14:02:02] <JVFoxy> whoops...
L519[14:02:09] <Althego> i will be happy with even 8 km
L520[14:02:12] <JVFoxy> ok so eva between ships..
L521[14:02:37] <JVFoxy> went so fast, orbit went below surface, changed perspective. messed me up badly. was wondering what the heck happened. scared me
L522[14:03:12] <JVFoxy> weight the extra weight...
L523[14:03:18] <JVFoxy> what'll happen after you drop the x-15?
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L525[14:07:58] <Althego> around 8 km is the limit. but it still reached orbit :)
L526[14:08:47] <Althego> when i tried to check the b-52 after the x15 stabilized, it was already gone
L527[14:09:21] <JVFoxy> ya... usually poof after2km or a little more
L528[14:11:22] <Althego> normally i would just add some detachable counterweight
L529[14:17:26] <JVFoxy> yeesh.. whats with the constant rescue missions
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L532[14:22:34] <Rolf> JVFoxy: rest of bases are as good as your average player
L533[14:22:43] <Rolf> so lots rescue needed ;)
L534[14:25:20] <JVFoxy> rest of bases?
L535[14:25:31] <Althego> all your base are belong to us
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L539[14:40:06] <oren> JVFoxy: rescue missions give u free kerbals, they are my favorite missions
L540[14:40:22] <JVFoxy> profession tends to be randomized
L541[14:40:49] <JVFoxy> I get they are free.. but I believe each one you add, bumps the cost of buying new ones later on
L542[14:40:50] <oren> once u unlock probe cores with SAS profession doesn't really matter
L543[14:41:03] <oren> I never buy kerbals anyway
L544[14:41:29] <JVFoxy> lol... one craft lost a core but engineer I rescued was in pod still.. I could pilot but ya.. chutes failed
L545[14:41:31] <Althego> it gives me pilots, i dont need those
L546[14:41:41] <Althego> so hard to get even an engineer, let aloen a scientist
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L548[14:49:03] <oren> of course, if you're gonna do rescue missions it's important that none of your mods have pods with no hatch
L549[14:50:31] <Althego> hehe
L550[14:50:34] <oren> especially since my preferred rescue method involves zooming by the stricken vessel at 100 m/s and having the kerbal quickly get out and run
L551[14:50:43] <Althego> you could just capture the pod and take it home
L552[14:53:59] <oren> hmm, how fast can you run into a pod klaw-first without destrying it
L553[14:54:22] <oren> does the game check for klawing or destructive collision first
L554[14:54:38] <oren> this calls for science
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L557[14:59:13] <Draconiator> I found some old 1.44MB disks at a thrift store for my floppy drive...I guess even the new ones in box are sort of degraded a bit.
L558[15:00:12] <JVFoxy> Draconiator I wonder if my 5.25" 720 disks are dead or still workable..
L559[15:00:18] <Althego> they always degrade really fast
L560[15:00:24] <Althego> at least in industrial environment
L561[15:00:35] <Althego> they had a half life of a week
L562[15:00:40] <Althego> or maybe twoo
L563[15:00:50] <JVFoxy> the one I have still in box plastic wrap, brand new..
L564[15:00:58] <JVFoxy> hoping I can use them later to transfer retro games to my 8088 box
L565[15:01:04] <Althego> ah the joys of formatting thee :)
L566[15:01:09] <Althego> +s
L567[15:01:46] <Draconiator> Second one I tried is okay.
L568[15:01:50] <Althego> format a: /q /u or something? :)
L569[15:03:14] <JVFoxy> magentically are messed up or just the data on them?
L570[15:04:56] <ConductorCat> :3
L571[15:06:25] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/0c9700f5df9efdff8f296b3c5bee8ff7.png - There's the bad one.
L572[15:06:40] <ConductorCat> The floppy in my twenty year old Mavica seems to work.
L573[15:06:45] <Althego> what happened to the 0.04 MB?
L574[15:08:46] <Draconiator> well the first time I tried it said Track 0 bad. reformatting all of them to make sure theres no other ones.
L575[15:10:00] <JVFoxy> bad sectors.. don't make me come and whip you
L576[15:10:13] <Althego> hehe it has been a while since i last saw that message. you cant do anything about that
L577[15:10:53] <Kalpa> Mmmm bad sectors
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L579[15:15:30] <Draconiator> oooh this one's pretty bad., 3,584 bad bytes.
L580[15:15:42] <Draconiator> Can I srtill use the bad ones though?
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L582[15:18:12] <Draconiator> why I bought a whole boxful, I knew there were ones that MAY be a bit bad.
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L587[15:32:49] <Draconiator> seems the ones near the middle of the box are all good.
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L589[15:44:34] <Draconiator> Vast majority are good, but here's the worst one so far. https://i.gyazo.com/e34accd02ab64b4026e1f88761ac7aa7.png
L590[15:44:58] <Eddi|zuHause> if they are FAT formatted, you can mark the bad sectors, and carry on using the good ones
L591[15:46:28] <Eddi|zuHause> but assume they are going to degrade further, so don't keep any important data on them
L592[15:50:48] <Draconiator> what format flag does that? /q?
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L595[15:52:19] <Althego> does what? /q was quick, so it just erased the filesystem info, notthe data, /u was no unformat, both spared some time
L596[15:52:31] <Althego> i dontremember the others
L597[15:56:02] <Althego> ah there was the /s, that made it bootable, so looong ago
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L600[16:00:58] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/8aafb0798d06396cc87660eaeda67ea5.png - I found a small program that's helping me with the repair process.
L601[16:02:42] <Althego> maybe i should try to build the full scale b-52 tomorrow
L602[16:02:46] <Althego> i am not satisfied
L603[16:03:24] <Althego> which would mean even bigger wings, so lot of time on those, also a body from scratch, maybe from fairings
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L608[16:09:07] <Draconiator> so only one disk has bad sectors scattered all over. so gonna get rid of that one. I wonder though, if the damage is magnetic could I just use a magnet to manually erase and reformat?
L609[16:16:53] <Draconiator> Doing that SeEEEEEEEMS to work, still reading bad sectors but a lot less than before I did that.
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L611[16:17:57] <Draconiator> And I JUST repaired a disk that way, NO bad sectors.
L612[16:20:00] <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder if i still have VGACOPY anywhere
L613[16:20:26] <Eddi|zuHause> that could do a number of weird formatting options
L614[16:26:07] <Draconiator> and it seems that was all I needed to do. so irt seems those disks had no physical damage, just data degradation.
L615[16:33:31] <Draconiator> I think only ONE has physical damage, because no matter how much I rub the magnet on it, the format still hits a snag at the same place.
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L630[17:57:48] <Draconiator> Yep, I think I've verified only ONE disk has physical damage, the others needed to be completely wiped with a magnet.
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L632[18:09:37] <Draconiator> soooo out of 25 disks I cannot fix 2 of them.
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L634[18:11:23] <Eddi|zuHause> i have about a hundred 3,5" disks here where some of them have (had) data on them that i'd still like
L635[18:11:36] <Eddi|zuHause> but none of my running computers have a disk drive
L636[18:12:03] <mabus> if you didn't need it in the past decade, you dont really need it
L637[18:12:12] <mabus> thats how i deal with boxes of paper. if i dont go into the box for years, i can throw out the box
L638[18:12:26] <Eddi|zuHause> that's not how i work :p
L639[18:13:06] <Eddi|zuHause> in my experience, the moment i throw something away, i need that exact thing a week later
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L643[18:20:45] <Draconiator> For me it's just my retro computer hobby via DOSbox.
L644[18:31:23] <Eddi|zuHause> i have win 3.1 running in dosbox
L645[18:32:05] <JVFoxy> huh.. makes me wonder what my dos machine still has on it now
L646[18:32:14] <Eddi|zuHause> (i think that was actually 7 out of the 100 disks in the box)
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L667[22:10:47] <oren> I'm getting a weird flickering graphics glitch on my rover
L668[22:11:22] <oren> parts are flickering through each other
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L670[22:12:45] <oren> https://imgur.com/HKLBeP8
L671[22:12:45] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/HKLBeP8.jpg
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L673[22:13:56] <oren> and now I jsut fell through the ground
L674[22:26:18] <oren> ok this time it isn't flickering
L675[22:37:57] <oren> contract complete! got a total of 90K
L676[22:38:13] <oren> and 20 science
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L682[23:12:40] <oren> https://imgur.com/pP29BAK
L683[23:12:41] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/pP29BAK.jpg
L684[23:14:23] <umaxtu> sure
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L686[23:38:16] <cringe> ISS Urine Tank Level: 13%
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L688[23:40:10] <cringe> 14% >.>
L689[23:41:46] <Althego> urine level?
L690[23:41:55] <Althego> what else
L691[23:41:56] <cringe> 23:38 < cringe> ISS Urine Tank Level: 13%
L692[23:42:04] <cringe> but it went back down to 13
L693[23:42:15] <cringe> if the ISS is a rockin' ...
L694[23:42:30] <cringe> wastewater is still increasing tho
L695[23:43:12] <cringe> clean water god, O2 prod good
L696[23:43:20] <cringe> *clean water good
L697[23:44:32] <kremlin> does FAR work for 1.4.5 ?
L698[23:44:34] <kremlin> when recompiled
L699[23:48:01] <JVFoxy> Cringe and how are you get'n this info even?
L700[23:49:01] <cringe> thanks for asking!
L701[23:49:03] <cringe> https://isslive.com/
L702[23:49:26] <cringe> Live Data, ETHOS
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L707[23:51:52] <Althego> what will you do after the iss is decommissioned
L708[23:52:17] <cringe> give mars station urine tank level updates
L709[23:52:35] <JVFoxy> oh... neat
L710[23:53:00] <JVFoxy> and here half wondering of picking up ISS data/SSTV during one of the passovers
L711[23:53:52] <JVFoxy> mm... think Moon station will be next big project
L712[23:54:31] <cringe> funny you say that
L713[23:54:37] <cringe> nokia was contracted two months ago to deploy "wifi" on the moon
L714[23:55:03] <cringe> hmm not 100% sure that was puclic info before i said it
L715[23:55:07] <cringe> *public
L716[23:55:12] <cringe> but, thats what i know
L717[23:55:27] <cringe> and no idea on the timeline
L718[23:56:23] <cringe> typos galore as i get used to this new keyboard
L719[23:58:56] <JVFoxy> wifi... getting a little ahead of themselves huh?
L720[23:59:04] <JVFoxy> unless its to be used by rovers
L721[23:59:42] <cringe> my guess is, that was one small purchase as part of a larger overall project purchase
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