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L1[00:02:14] <mischief> why are they not
proper already
L2[00:02:18] <Tank2333> i just watched The
Expanse and earth blow up Deimos with a nuke so that video is Fake
News
L3[00:02:24] <mischief> also, minmus seems
very wee
L4[00:02:31] <mischief> compared to mun i
guess
L5[00:03:22] <Tank2333> because of
Einstein
L6[00:03:29] <JVFoxy> lol.. good luck even
pushing a small moon.
L7[00:03:40] <JVFoxy> Scott did a video on
it.. you'd need more mass than the moon itself
L8[00:03:43] <Tank2333> he made gravity too
complicated
L9[00:03:51] <Althego> yes that was an old
video
L10[00:03:53] <Althego> maybe with
gilly
L11[00:04:10] <Althego> but ultimately they
are on rails anyway
L12[00:04:14] <Tank2333> i remember that
you cant realy do it with rockets
L13[00:04:26] <Tank2333> you would need
more fuel that the moon has mass
L14[00:04:27] <Tank2333> or so
L15[00:04:45] <Tank2333> that=than
L16[00:05:43] <JVFoxy> heh.. old because
its only been a few years and he's put out so many videos..?
L17[00:06:05] <Tank2333> been a few years i
think
L18[00:06:37] <JVFoxy> I have to ask about
the meaning of 'old' these days... mostly since, 'oh, you've had
your phone a few years? Thats old'.. really..?
L19[00:06:49] <Althego> yes that is
old
L20[00:07:44] <Tank2333> im not 13 so i
have a sense of time :)
L21[00:08:41] <JVFoxy> the ground you stand
on is old...
L23[00:08:54] <kmath> YouTube - What does
it Take To Deorbit A Moon In Kerbal Space Program
L24[00:08:56] <Tank2333> 5 years
L25[00:09:00] <mischief> should i be
landing on the lakes of minmus?
L26[00:09:07] <mischief> landing on the
mountains seems trecharous
L27[00:09:13] <Tank2333> yes
L28[00:09:25] <JVFoxy> I guess the fact
that companies keep pushign you to buy the latest products all the
time, doesn't really help matters
L29[00:09:35] <Supercheese> Minmus' flats
are a godsend
L30[00:09:43] <Supercheese> most planets
are filled with steep slopes everywhere
L31[00:09:47] <Althego> my phone is already
older than 2 years
L32[00:09:51] <Supercheese> but Minmus has
those delicious flats
L33[00:09:55] <Supercheese> easy mode
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L35[00:10:05] *
JVFoxy only been through two models of flipphones since... ealry
2000s.. he's fixed them as needed.. has spares
L36[00:10:28] <Althego> probably i will
need to replace the battery soon, but for that have to take it to
some shop (built in). or i can just buy a new one next year
L37[00:10:34] <JVFoxy> avoid the poles.. at
least on mun... elevation changes get stupidly exagerated
L38[00:10:38] <Tank2333> my on is only one
and a half and it is starting to get slower... i think android is
rigged
L39[00:10:47] <Althego> on duna too
L40[00:11:00] <Althego> and of course there
is the mohole
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L42[00:11:15] <Tank2333> is it still
there?
L43[00:11:24] <Althego> it has its own
biome now
L44[00:11:32] <Tank2333> oh ok
L45[00:11:34] <Althego> so it is there
permanently, part of the lore
L46[00:11:42] <Tank2333> true
L47[00:11:45] <Althego> originally was a
terrain glitch
L48[00:12:04] <Tank2333> yeah i know, but
never went there
L49[00:12:32] <Althego> heh something crazy
happened to the tests again
L50[00:13:25] <Tank2333> wich tests?
L51[00:14:01] <JVFoxy> interesting its only
moho.. not any other planet/moon
L52[00:14:21] <Althego> the product. but as
i am not going to do any work today it has to remain a mystery. it
loks like some infrastructure problem
L53[00:14:33] <JVFoxy> first time I came
across 'moho' as a weird was back in the Total Annihilation
game.
L54[00:14:39] <Althego> there is a peak on
duna
L55[00:14:42] <JVFoxy> weird->word
L56[00:14:49] <Althego> the moho mine
L57[00:14:55] <Althego> protect the moho
mine at all cost
L58[00:15:11] <JVFoxy> stil have it.. not
played in a while since got new machine going. :(
L59[00:15:16] <Althego> just played through
ta last week
L60[00:15:38] <Althego> but if your map is
smaller than the screen it can easily crash
L61[00:15:49] <Althego> had to change the
resolution from full to avoid that :)
L62[00:16:19] <mischief> okay
L63[00:16:26] <mischief> so i should go to
the flats of minmus?
L64[00:16:34] <Althego> that is the
easiest
L65[00:16:43] <Althego> they are exactly at
0 altitude and completely smooth
L66[00:16:53] <KrazyKrl> Naa... run full
5:4 at 1350x1080 stretched.
L67[00:16:59] <mischief> i see a rather
nice spot
L68[00:17:21] <Althego> 2560x1600 is too
big :)
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L70[00:17:48] <KrazyKrl> you mean your
monitor is too small.
L72[00:18:01] <mischief> that flat bit
yeah?
L73[00:18:02] <Althego> no, tha maps are
too small
L74[00:18:17] <Althego> yes any of
that
L75[00:18:26] <mischief> excellent
L76[00:18:28] <mischief> let's go
L77[00:18:34] <Althego> if you land near
the hills, you can get biome data from the slopes and
highlands
L78[00:18:40] <JVFoxy> I'd probably still
play it on my older machine
L79[00:18:42] <Althego> with small hops or
with eva
L80[00:18:56] <JVFoxy> I never got around
to installing the DVD drive on this new box
L81[00:19:03] <mischief> Althego: i'm not
that adventurous
L82[00:19:07] <mischief> this is career
mode too :P
L83[00:19:11] <mischief> no antenna,
forgot
L84[00:19:13] <mischief> oops
L85[00:19:15] <Althego> at least take
surface sample
L86[00:19:17] <Althego> hehe
L87[00:19:24] <KrazyKrl> The last time i
needed to use a DVD drive... was to install command and conquer the
first decade.
L88[00:19:24] <mischief> yeah
L89[00:19:27] <mischief> my craft is pretty
big
L90[00:19:33] <mischief> i have the seismic
sensor too
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L92[00:19:34] <KrazyKrl> and that was like
10 years ago.
L93[00:20:08] <mischief> my lander is 19
t
L94[00:20:10] <mischief> O_O
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L96[00:20:36] <KrazyKrl> I don't know if
that's good or bad mischief.
L97[00:20:42] <Althego> clearly a
hopper
L98[00:21:05] <Althego> remember there is
tons of science on minmus, hop throuogh all of the biomes for best
result
L99[00:21:13] <KrazyKrl> i mean... it
certainly could be an ore container.
L100[00:21:41] <JVFoxy> I have a game a
friend gave me on DVD... held on to it just in case... machien
built, forgot DVD... eventually got one, just never stuck it in...
ya sorry lazy somewhat. >.<
L102[00:21:51] <mischief> bit large
eh
L103[00:22:19] <Althego> i would have
taken only a scientist so that there is more delta v for hoppin
g:)
L104[00:23:22] <KrazyKrl> yep... just take
a scientist in a single man pod... then use an advanced probe core
if you need SAS capability.
L106[00:24:37] <JVFoxy> reading up on this
surface science pack.. need at least eng and sci guy to put things
together, make it of use... pilot optional since core could
probably help
L107[00:25:06] <mischief> your kerbal
looks like he ate too much sugar
L108[00:25:09] <KrazyKrl> isn't the lander
can 2 crew?
L109[00:25:36] <Althego> the bigger
one
L110[00:25:51] <mischief> this is the
command pod Mk1-3
L111[00:25:54] <mischief> 3-man ship
L112[00:26:15] <Tank2333> oh wow... the
"inline image" option from this irc client does
work
L113[00:26:26] <KrazyKrl> i know what the
3 man capsule is. but you don't really need a pilot due to the
previously mentioned probe cores.
L114[00:26:51] <mischief> my current
lander only has "Spark" and "Twitch"
engines
L115[00:26:57] <mischief> takes a while to
get anything done
L116[00:27:05] <Tank2333> nice little
ship
L117[00:27:31] <KrazyKrl> well... all you
need is enough dV on launch to get home, or to the reentry
vehicle.
L118[00:27:52] <mischief> i made it
:-D
L119[00:28:06] <mischief> KrazyKrl: yeah
thats what the 4 twitch engines are for
L120[00:28:22] <mischief> they are
surprisingly strong for their size
L121[00:28:39] <KrazyKrl> they have among
the best dV of any engine iirc.
L122[00:29:29] <Althego> but they are
nowhere as op as they used to be in the old days
L124[00:29:57] <Althego> looks like a
science plane thing
L125[00:30:59] <KrazyKrl> why i needed
like 6 of each experiment, i have no idea.
L126[00:31:16] <JVFoxy> terrier does good,
poodle is best
L127[00:31:33] <JVFoxy> though.. twitch I
find comes out a little better in some cases
L128[00:31:41] <JVFoxy> ... or
spark..
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L130[00:32:20] <Tank2333> terrier is the
404?
L131[00:32:22] <Althego> the non radial
version is always better
L132[00:32:36] <Althego> 909
L133[00:32:42] <Tank2333> right
L134[00:32:51] <Althego> 404 is the http
error code :)
L135[00:32:53] <Tank2333> lol 404 is
"no engine found"
L136[00:32:57] <Tank2333> yeah
L137[00:33:25] <Tank2333> i think i diodnt
played much after they startet naming the engines
L138[00:33:54] <mischief> looks like green
cheese out here
L140[00:34:38] <mischief> buzz kerman's
mouth is simply agape in awe
L141[00:34:48] <Althego> supposedly it is
mint icecream
L142[00:34:59] <Althego> as the science
texts say
L143[00:35:09] <mischief> i want mint
icecream :(
L145[00:35:36] <Althego> lol
L146[00:35:41] <Tank2333> lol
L147[00:35:51] <Tank2333> retirement
pod
L148[00:35:57] <mischief> i don't get
it
L149[00:36:00] <Althego> coffin?
L150[00:36:18] <KrazyKrl> Jeb "Get
off my plane" Kerman
L151[00:40:29] <JVFoxy> ... ok now I have
to find a pic of jeb.. when I did my first mun landing with
hi..
L152[00:47:19] <JVFoxy> here we
go...
L154[00:47:42] <Althego> hehe
L155[00:47:51] <JVFoxy> I guess I used a
booster to drop my descent down so much, the shroud landed
safely.
L156[00:47:58] <JVFoxy> this was
back...
L157[00:48:13] <JVFoxy> late june
2014
L158[00:48:39] <JVFoxy> KSP V0.23.5
L159[00:49:26] <Supercheese>
Jeb-in-the-Box
L160[00:49:32] <mischief> i am doing what
you guys suggested
L161[00:49:34] <mischief> hopping
around
L162[00:49:42] <mischief> i have enough
fuel this time and the gravity is so small..
L163[00:51:17] <JVFoxy> well.. guess jeb
hide-and-seek in a can... no lid
L164[00:55:18] <mischief> i found midlands
on minmus which are 3.2km up ... where the heck are highlands
L166[00:58:58] <JVFoxy> looks like most of
them closer to the poles, spotty other places
L167[00:59:08] <mischief> idk if i'll make
it this trip :v
L168[00:59:18] <mischief> i have like 400
science already, so that's okay..
L169[00:59:27] <mischief> maybe more like
600 idk
L170[00:59:36] <JVFoxy> don't get too
ambitious...
L171[01:00:17] <mischief> maybe even
more
L172[01:00:21] <mischief> let's land and
find out :-D
L173[01:02:57] <JVFoxy> just imagine,
"sir.. why are all our missions rescue missions?"
L174[01:03:04] <Althego> hehe
L175[01:06:09] <JVFoxy> in my defense,
"Well.. I had to assign someone to go get all them crew, those
non-name companies keep stranding out there. I'd get Jeb to do it
but he thinks rescue missions are silly.. or something"
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L178[01:09:01] <JVFoxy> speaking of rescue
contracts...
L179[01:09:34] <JVFoxy> when you go out
and rescue a kerbal on a contract, the pod, usually doesn't have a
flag right?
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L181[01:12:40] <mischief> never seen a
flag
L182[01:13:09] <mischief> all mine have
just been command pods
L183[01:13:13] <mischief> or crew
cabins..
L184[01:13:22] <mischief> wow
L185[01:13:30] <mischief> 1789
science!
L186[01:14:06] <JVFoxy> kay.. just
sometimes I wonder if its another company stranding their kerbals..
or they doing it themselves..
L187[01:14:31] <JVFoxy> oh no..
independent self controlling kerbals launching themselves into
space
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L190[02:01:24] <KrazyKrl> wat,
L191[02:01:56] <KrazyKrl> unless you paid
money for a permanent slot on a server someplace, there must always
be a purge.
L192[02:06:02] <JVFoxy> 'THE Purge!'
L193[02:06:50] <KrazyKrl> it's like fight
club, but instead of fists, it's nothing... and instead of soap,
it's also nothing.
L194[02:07:34] <JVFoxy> whats worse..
space or digital oblivion?
L195[02:08:08] <KrazyKrl> well, one is in
tamriel; and the other would be <censored> sweet!
L196[02:09:18] <JVFoxy> ok guess I lost
things.. I never quite got into elderscrolls /that/ much
L197[02:13:21] <JVFoxy> I was thinking
more purge system on spacecraft vs purge system on computer server
data base
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L200[02:29:13] <mischief> so.. this rescue
mission is at 180 degrees from my orbit around minmus
L201[02:29:24] <mischief> think i can flip
my ship around?
L202[02:30:11] <mischief> guess im not
going *that* fast
L203[02:30:12] <mischief> lets try
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L205[02:32:51] <Althego> hah scott an hour
ago
L206[02:41:09] <mischief> ok
L207[02:41:13] <mischief> reverse
successful
L208[02:41:29] <mischief> now, do i try
landing again on minmus or just go home with my two rescued
people..
L209[02:42:09] <Althego> depends on
fuel
L210[02:42:24] <Althego> more minmus
landings, more science
L211[02:42:27] <mischief> a fair bit
L212[02:42:38] <mischief> my landing kegs
are nearly full
L213[02:43:04] <mischief> and the tank
directly under the command pod is full, not even used yet
L214[02:43:14] <Althego> go for it
L215[02:43:31] <mischief> only took me a
tiny bit of fuel for two rescues which had opposite orbits, i'm
surprised
L216[02:43:56] <mischief> i think minmus
is easier than mun :)
L217[02:44:36] <Althego> it is
L218[02:44:40] <Althego> and better
L219[02:44:42] <Althego> more
science
L220[02:44:53] <mischief> word
L221[02:44:53] <Althego> the mun has more
biomes
L222[02:44:59] <mischief> last trip got me
1800 science :)
L223[02:45:04] <Althego> but you have top
foight hard to get them
L224[02:45:10] <Althego> on minmus you can
just milk it forever
L225[02:45:24] <Althego> basically you can
get the whole tech tree
L226[02:45:24] <mischief> forever?
L227[02:45:45] <Althego> maybe not in hard
mode, then a few nodes will be unfilled on the highest level
L228[02:54:33] <mischief> my navball is
wrong :(
L229[02:55:47] <Althego> or in the wrong
mode
L230[02:56:02] <mischief> it's rocket
mode
L231[02:56:11] <Althego> no such
mode
L232[02:56:19] <mischief> sorry
L233[02:56:20] <mischief> staging
mode
L234[02:56:43] <Althego> that is not the
navball mode
L235[02:56:48] <mischief> it says i'm in
orbit moving at 10.0 m/s and my prograde and retrograde are
inverted
L236[02:57:03] <mischief> where is mode
shown?
L237[02:57:26] <Althego> it is probably
the control from here menu what you want
L238[02:57:35] <Althego> so if you have a
probe core or docking port or such
L239[02:57:40] <Althego> you can be useing
the wrong one
L240[02:57:51] <mischief> just a command
pod
L241[02:57:56] <mischief> i'm landed on
the surface o_O
L242[02:57:56] <Althego> or in orbit mode
while you are near the surface
L243[02:58:09] <Althego> if you click the
navball now, does the speed change?
L244[02:58:15] <Althego> (it should)
L245[02:58:25] <mischief> ooh
L246[02:58:32] <mischief> i didn't know
you could click the words
L247[02:58:35] <Althego> in surface mode
it is relative to the surface
L248[02:58:42] <Althego> in orbit mode it
is relative to the center of the planet
L249[02:58:44] <mischief> now it shows
surface 0.0m/s
L250[02:58:49] <mischief> makes more sense
xD
L251[02:59:08] <Althego> you can use this
to see the surface speed on the launchpad for example
L252[02:59:15] <Althego> normally it
transitions automatically
L253[02:59:17] <Althego> but sometimes
not
L254[02:59:26] <Althego> or you want to
switch back to surface mode for contracts
L255[02:59:34] <Althego> (fly x speed, it
is always surface speed)
L257[03:00:54] <Althego> oh wait a sec we
have 1.4.5
L258[03:00:58] *
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L259[03:01:02] <mischief> does that
actually work
L262[03:02:41] <Althego> obviously it
happened around midnight
L263[03:02:45] <Althego> i expected it
next week
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L266[03:19:25] <Althego> not much of a
reéease
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L274[04:23:52] <kmath> YouTube - VSS Unity
| Third Rocket Powered Flight
L275[04:24:02] <Althego> maybe something
happens over there too
L276[04:24:15] <Althego> they started
before everybody else, and they are only a runner up
L277[04:24:26] <Rolf> so kerbian
design
L278[04:24:33] <Rolf> 3 planes bolted
together ;)
L279[04:27:12] <mischief> some kind of
ssto?
L280[04:27:16] <Althego> isnt it kerbal
rather than kerbian
L281[04:27:21] <mischief> or space
plane
L282[04:27:22] <Althego> no orbit
L283[04:27:24] <Althego> just
suborbital
L284[04:27:41] <Rolf> possibly
L285[04:29:48] <mischief> this mission
just says 'reocver a module without damaging it too much'
L286[04:29:54] <mischief> what is too much
and how do i do that :v
L287[04:30:18] <Althego> there is no
partial damage in stock
L288[04:30:32] <Rolf> damhing too much
means poof I guess
L289[04:30:39] <Althego> except maybe
landing legs and wheels
L290[04:31:06] <mischief> the module is
purported to weight 2.5t
L291[04:31:14] <Althego> but the parts are
usually cabins, tanks, engines
L292[04:31:25] <mischief> how the heck
will i get some random 2.5t thing back to kerbin without it blowing
up while deorbiting
L293[04:31:33] <Althego> once i had to
recover an empty shuttle solid booster from a crater on the
mun
L294[04:31:35] <Althego> that was
hard
L295[04:31:52] <Rolf> mischief: any dock
on it?
L296[04:32:01] <mischief> idk, didn't
accept mission yet
L297[04:32:04] <Rolf> if it has, dock
something with LOT of paracles on it
L298[04:32:14] <Rolf> cant spell that
word
L299[04:32:21] <Althego> you need the
claw, and some serious delta v reserve
L300[04:32:25] <Althego> and also
parachutes
L301[04:32:31] <Rolf> ah yes the
claw
L302[04:32:43] <Althego> but you get these
contracts only after you have the claw
L304[04:32:51] <kmath> YouTube - Toy Story
- The Claw
L305[04:33:08] <mischief> i guess i just
need to have a lot of fuel left for retrograde burn when
deorbiting
L306[04:33:13] <mischief> so i don't burn
up..
L307[04:33:54] <Althego> also reentry burn
to not burn up
L308[04:34:09] <mischief> thats what i
mean :P
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L310[04:37:01] <Deddly> Cargo plane
:)
L312[04:37:16] <kmath> YouTube -
'Beautiful Black Sky' - Virgin Galactic's VSS Unity Flies Higher
Than Ever
L313[04:37:18] <Althego> mostly
correct
L314[04:37:35] <Althego> amazing view not
amazing for
L315[04:37:38] <Rolf> cool :)
L316[04:37:51] <Althego> it is from the
pilots
L317[04:38:27] <Rolf> I wouldnt know if I
would accept if somehow magucally they invite me to ride in
one
L318[04:38:50] <Althego> as with
everything wait 10 years when it becomes cheap
L319[04:39:09] <Althego> although i waited
far more than that and they still didnt start business
L320[04:41:16] <Althego> however good
these automatic subtitling algorithms are, they still fail really
badly. even in a relatively clear english that has no strange
accent
L321[04:41:38] <Rolf> consider 3 years
ago
L322[04:41:43] <Rolf> it was much much
worse
L323[04:41:51] <Rolf> wouldnt be able to
even tell what topic was about
L324[04:41:57] <Althego> lol
L325[04:42:07] <Rolf> nowdays its pretty
amazing, so good I can figure glitch words by context
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L327[04:47:20] <Althego> ready aplayer
one? :)
L328[04:47:32] <Rolf> lol
L329[04:47:34] <APlayer> Ready for
what?
L330[04:47:50] *
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L331[04:47:59] <Althego> i dont know,
neither read the book or watched the movie
L332[04:48:03] <Althego> nor
L333[04:48:20] <Althego> if there is nor
in the english language, why is there no nand? :)
L335[04:49:15] <Rolf> movie was fun!
L336[04:50:18] <Rolf> havent read book,
has it but in a large queue
L337[04:50:30] <Althego> hwhw
L338[04:50:31] <Rolf> currently reading
Hunted Earth omnibus
L339[04:51:02] <Althego> i know a guy who
has a a lot of books in his queue. he stacks them on top of each
other, forming an 1.5 m tower
L340[04:51:09] <Althego> new ones go to
the bottom
L341[04:51:29] <Rolf> heh mines at few
hundreds
L342[04:51:38] <Rolf> thankfully they all
stack into zero height
L343[04:53:04] <Rolf> I think book queue,
if not refilled, will last around 300 days
L344[04:53:10] <Rolf> or somewhat less
than full year
L345[04:53:46] <Rolf> reading around 300
page a day so yeah I read books very fast
L346[05:06:08] <Rolf> wanna know something
sad?
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L348[05:06:21] <Rolf> futuristic movie
2001 should have happened 17 years ago
L349[05:06:45] <Rolf> where is our long
spceship drat
L350[05:07:04] <Althego> longship is
long
L351[05:07:18] <Rolf> its perfect size for
long cats
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L353[05:08:58] <Rolf> ummmmm
L354[05:09:11] <Rolf> apparently google
has specific code for "long cats"
L355[05:09:14] <Rolf> google it
L356[05:16:36] <Althego> doesnt really
look like that
L357[05:17:04] <Rolf> you dont get
"18 inches" and subtitle of "without
tail"?
L358[05:17:16] <Althego> no
L359[05:17:36] <Althego> gives me result
about how long cats live
L360[05:17:58] <Althego> and longcat
picture from know your meme
L361[05:18:03] <Althego> quite realistic
result
L362[05:18:23] <Rolf> weird. lol
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L364[05:20:00] <Rolf> did you google long
cat or long cats?
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L367[05:25:57] <Althego> no use, doesnt
happen with any of those
L368[05:26:03] <Rolf> weird
L370[05:27:22] <kmath> <SmashRiot>
Unity has done it again. One of our artists left Unity idling over
night and got this very personal email from Uni…
https://t.co/Pk2bgjAAp7
L371[05:27:43] <Althego> even i would
leave an editor open just to get a personal email from alejandra
:)
L372[05:28:08] <Rolf> leave it long enough
and they will finish project for you
L373[05:28:31] <Althego> i would probably
sooner write my own engine than to learn an existing one
L374[05:32:08] <Epi> I would live with
stats collection than make my own engine beyond a 2d game, 3d maths
melts my brain most times
L375[05:43:22] <Althego> heh a friend of
mine is in the country again. and just today there is going to be
an unusually long lunar eclipse
L376[05:44:38] <Althego> have to convince
people to walk up the hill so that we can see it
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can't hold a relay scanner :(
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L385[08:36:09] <Althego> there was no
wintergatan video this week. also fluburtur is missing
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L387[08:53:23] <APlayer> France must have
disappeared
L388[08:53:32] <APlayer> That's the only
plausible explanation
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L392[09:03:49] <TheKosmonaut> Althego: the
Romans decided to reclaim Gaul
L393[09:04:12] <Althego> at least they
bring peace :)
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L395[09:07:59] <UmbralRaptor> Desert
Romana
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L402[11:01:08] <JVFoxy> Romanian desert..
or dessert?
L403[11:02:55] <kubi> 1.4.5?
L404[11:03:49] <JVFoxy> ... actually, I
was going to ask. Would it be worth doing a building aircraft
tutorial video for KSP?
L405[11:06:38] <JVFoxy> of course.. it be
nice if I could get a proper mic for my pc.. :\
L406[11:12:31] <UmbralRaptor> looks like
1.4.5 is actually out now
L407[11:13:09] <JVFoxy> they going to keep
1.4.4 available till mod builders are able to migrate to the new
version?
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L409[11:18:29] <JVFoxy> ok so... 1.4.4
replaced with 1.4.5...
L410[11:18:35] <JVFoxy> what issues did
1.4.5 have?
L411[11:18:46] <JVFoxy> er.. sorry what
issues did 1.4.4 have that they removed it completely?
L412[11:20:02] <JVFoxy> looks like I
missed out on 1.4.4, sigh oh well
L413[11:23:07] <JVFoxy> guess people still
in morning mode huh?
L414[11:28:56] <UmbralRaptor> Various bug
fixes.
L415[11:29:14] <JVFoxy> guess I just
worry, might miss on something
L416[11:29:30] <JVFoxy> I know a lot of
mod developers haven't even caught up to 1.4.4 yet
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L430[12:02:01] <Neal> my mods keep giving
me warnings that they aren't compatible with KSP 1.3
L431[12:02:20] <Neal> it's been that long
since I've updated them and everything still works *shrug*
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L451[13:28:05] <Epsilon> Makes me wonder
if they fixed whatever it was in 1.4.4 that broke Kopernicus. I
can't play without a rescale mod anymore, and I was hoping to get
back into KSP for a while. :(
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L454[13:37:03] <Supercheese> 1.4.3 is a
fine version
L455[13:37:37] <Supercheese> nothing super
critical in 1.4.4 - 1.4.5 that you'd desperately need
L456[13:48:33] <JVFoxy> mmm ok
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L458[14:13:34] *
UmbralRaptop ? the sky
L459[14:13:36] <UmbralRaptop> No blood
moon, there's a planet in the way. No Mars, clouds are in the
way.
L460[14:14:05] <Black_Eagle> so: does
anyone know how ksp treats the airbrakes? are they two regular
surfaces?
L461[14:18:13] <UmbralRaptop> I think
so?
L462[14:18:21] <UmbralRaptop> Well,
control surfaces
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L464[14:24:38] <Black_Eagle> the built in
aero display doesn't show a drag penalty
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L467[14:25:15] <Althego> heh cant see the
lunar eclipse, it is completely dark
L468[14:25:19] <Althego> because of
clouds
L469[14:25:44] <Black_Eagle> i was curious
if you could attach them "sideways" as vertical
stabilizers
L470[14:26:12] <Althego> attach
what?
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L472[14:26:28] <Althego> you can attach
everything everywhere, in the worst case through a cubic octagonal
strut
L473[14:28:33] <Althego> i wonder do the
astronauts watch the lunar eclipse from the space station? can
they?
L474[14:28:42] <Althego> (because the
cupola is towards the earth)
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L476[14:31:07] <Black_Eagle> Althego sure
i can put them anywhere but how do i avoid the drag penalty
L477[14:32:07] <Althego> there are some
parts that you cant attach in some ways, but it is not that
important anymore since the rotation and offset tools
L478[14:33:07] <Black_Eagle> i'm really
confused
L479[14:33:14] <Black_Eagle> are you like
blind or what
L480[14:33:17] <Black_Eagle>
aerobrakes
L481[14:33:29] <Althego> i dont know what
you are talking about
L482[14:33:40] <Black_Eagle>
A.E.R.O.B.R.A.K.E.S if you're more familiar with that
L483[14:33:45] <Althego> now you said
it
L484[14:33:54] <Black_Eagle> [27/07
22:14;11] <Black_Eagle> so: does anyone know how ksp treats
the airbrakes?
L485[14:33:56] <Black_Eagle> this
one
L486[14:34:03] <Althego> i was not here
then
L487[14:34:05] <Supercheese> isn't it
"A.I.R." and not "A.E.R.O."?
L488[14:34:09] <Black_Eagle> oh,
true
L489[14:34:12] <Althego> if they are open
they have more drag
L490[14:34:26] <Althego> probably not too
much drag if they are not open
L491[14:34:30] <Black_Eagle> oh for fuck's
sake
L492[14:34:34] <Althego> so you can tryto
rotate them
L493[14:34:59] <Black_Eagle> ok slow
down
L494[14:36:02] <Black_Eagle> if i put
airbrakes sideways so that the apparent surface they have is
aligned with the airflow, will ksp treat them as if they were
surfaces aligned with the airflow
L495[14:36:20] <Black_Eagle> as sort of
makeshift vertical stabilizers
L496[14:36:35] <Althego> probably they
will do almost nothing
L497[14:36:49] <Althego> but look ad the
drag arrows in the aero view
L498[14:36:58] <Black_Eagle> hmmm... so
they're basically not like wings that just fold and unfold
L499[14:37:11] <Black_Eagle> no drag
arrows - does that mean it's mostly cosmetic then?
L500[14:37:26] <Althego> yes
L501[14:37:49] <Althego> they are more
like parachutes
L502[14:41:08] <Althego> moon is almsot
completely gone according to the live feed
L503[14:43:20] <Black_Eagle> i found the
drag arrows, you're right. it's weird how the drag just appears
once you yaw the plane
L504[14:43:27] <Black_Eagle> so it goes
more that way
L505[14:43:40] <Black_Eagle> not terribly
useful
L506[14:43:52] <Althego> you can build a
flying wing with the
L507[14:43:53] <Althego> m
L508[14:44:50] <JVFoxy> I remember in some
past version, some of the aerodynamics weren't symetrical on some
mirrored parts directly connected to the route part.. or something
along those lines
L509[14:45:11] <JVFoxy> that ever get
fixed or..?
L510[14:45:59] <Black_Eagle> would have
been a neat way to save space on vertical control surfaces (as in
folded away when not in use)
L511[14:46:38] <Althego> you dont really
need them
L512[14:47:34] <Althego> you are fine with
only roll and pitch. and there are the reaction wheels too
L513[14:53:37] <JVFoxy> I usually turn off
raction wheels in planes
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L516[15:11:38] <Supercheese> Nice! I was
fortunate to be able to watch the launch of TESS from Cape
Canaveral in person
L517[15:12:05] <Supercheese> great to see
it starting its mission
L518[15:12:33] <Althego> finally
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L520[15:13:09] <Althego> if kepler found
thousands, tess could get us an order of magnitude more
L521[15:17:54] <UmbralRaptop> :D
L522[15:18:28] <UmbralRaptop> Supercheese:
a bunch of us watched it in a meeting room. With pizza.
>_>
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L524[15:20:38] <Supercheese> I happened to
be in Orlando for a business conference
L525[15:20:56] <Supercheese> was able to
drive on out to the space coast and luckily me there was a Falcon
9
L526[15:21:01] <Supercheese> lucky*
L527[15:21:29] <Supercheese> bloody toll
roads *everywhere* though
L528[15:21:31] <Supercheese> Florida is
bleh
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L558[18:38:12] <mischief> ugh
L559[18:38:20] <mischief> i need a 5 man
station around the mun..
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L565[19:07:04] <lordcirth> For 1.4.5 +
Making History, setting CKAN to allow all 1.4.x should be ok,
right?
L566[19:10:00] <Azander> for teh mods I
have, that seesm to be correct
L567[19:10:26] <lordcirth> Cool
thanks
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L576[20:21:16] <mischief> mun mobile
processing lab reporting for duty.
L577[20:21:58] <mischief> i don't think i
packed enough batteries
L578[20:22:14] <mischief> run out of
electricity when i go out of the view of the sun :(
L579[20:23:09] <KrazyKrl> at that point,
why not run fuel cells?
L580[20:23:38] <mischief> i've run out of
fuel for one
L581[20:23:43] <KrazyKrl> get some
supplimental power, and you can easily dock to refill.
L582[20:23:54] <mischief> also, i didn't
pack a fuel cell
L583[20:23:59] <mischief> this is career
mode..
L584[20:24:17] <mischief> i did remember
docking ports though.
L585[20:24:23] <mischief> i might just
send a flying battery up there
L586[20:24:29] <KrazyKrl> yea, but if you
have a processing lab; you have the tech for fuel cells.
L587[20:24:55] <KrazyKrl> you could even
dock some ore, and refine on the station for fuel.
L588[20:25:17] <KrazyKrl> or... you might
even be able to dock a tiny ship made of batteries...
L589[20:25:28] <mischief> yes :P
L590[20:25:39] <mischief> a little probe
core on a stick of batteries
L591[20:26:36] <mischief> how do i do the
whole mining and refining thing?
L592[20:26:43] <mischief> i just unlocked
that tech node
L593[20:27:01] <KrazyKrl> get ore, refine
ore to fuel... that's kinda it.
L594[20:27:31] <mischief> i mean, is it
efficient?
L595[20:28:20] <mischief> hm
L596[20:28:21] <Rolf> is those largest
batteries you can use?
L597[20:28:44] <mischief> i have the Z-1k,
but i thought the Z-400 fit better.
L598[20:29:00] <KrazyKrl> the z1k is
terrible for ec/kg iirc.
L599[20:29:19] <mischief> it is only
0.05t
L600[20:30:13] <mischief> all the kerbals
in that picture look very excited
L601[20:31:00] <Rolf> camlock lol
L602[20:32:31] <KrazyKrl> oh right,
battery capacity was normalized. the z-400s are a little nicer to
work with due to the z400s form factor.
L603[20:33:19] <mischief> wtf
L604[20:33:25] <mischief> now i need a
station around minmus
L605[20:33:30] <mischief> supporting *10*
kerbals
L606[20:36:08] <Azander> so add on to the
other one
L607[20:38:56] <KrazyKrl> "I didn't
make something the right size" doesn't apply when you have the
klaw or equipped docking ports.
L608[20:40:09] <Eddi|zuHause> the worst
thing about station contracts is that they usually come with a
"must be a new craft" requirement
L609[20:41:59] <Eddi|zuHause> "what?
i just put a 6 kerbal science lab station in orbit of the mun, now
you want me to make a NEW 8 kerbal fuel station, instead of reusing
the previous one?!?"
L610[20:48:45] <mischief> yeah
L611[20:48:47] <mischief> that's
silly
L612[20:48:57] <mischief> Azander: does
that actually work?
L613[20:49:04] <mischief> i can send up
two 5 man crafts and dock them?
L614[20:49:31] <Azander> Don't know.
Haven't played career in a long time. I prefer science
L615[20:49:43] <mischief> what i really
want is for the decouplers to fit the largest element in the
stack
L616[20:49:52] <mischief> like if i put a
tiny engine on a larger diameter tank
L617[20:49:58] <Rolf> just make new
station, when mission is complete, dock it with other one so you
just have one object to track
L618[20:50:17] <mischief> the decoupler
only goes around the small engine and has a huge space around
it
L619[20:50:30] <Rolf> "but our
respective lab tests and equiqipment is different!" "dont
care! dock!"
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L621[20:56:00] <mischief> i also wish
there was a probe core that can fit normal size dock port on
it..
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L623[21:02:12] <mischief> hm
L624[21:02:21] <mischief> it seems like i
should try landing a convertotron 250 on the mun
L625[21:02:23] <mischief> seems..
difficult
L627[21:09:20] <mischief> what the
hell.
L628[21:10:41] <Eddi|zuHause>
<mischief> i can send up two 5 man crafts and dock them?
<- yes, as long as both were started after accepting the
contract, to fulfill the "must be new" clause
L629[21:10:50] <mischief> ok
L630[21:11:56] <Eddi|zuHause> (and don't
dock any older vehicles inbetween)
L631[21:12:59] <Eddi|zuHause> (well,
actually, i think you can dock and quickly undock, if you don't
leave to the tracking station, but don't quote me on that)
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L633[21:18:48] <oren> coming in from the
mun with no control
L636[21:20:20] <JVFoxy> 'Must be new
clause'.... eh...
L637[21:20:46] <mischief> my mining ship
is already 45t *cries*
L638[21:20:49] <mischief> i'll never land
this
L639[21:21:29] <oren> awwww dang
L640[21:22:45] <Rolf> any way to dump fuel
or something?
L641[21:24:54] <oren> ok trying
again
L642[21:25:32] <oren> interestingly an
antenna that has been folded away still expodes
L643[21:27:14] <JVFoxy> in the air
stream?
L645[21:27:32] <mischief> is this
right?
L646[21:28:03] <oren> and a paracute
deployed while inside a bay doens't seem to slow anything won
L647[21:28:06] <oren> down
L648[21:28:52] <mischief> why you put a
chute in a bay?
L649[21:29:14] <oren> to protect it from
heat of reentry?
L650[21:29:24] <mischief> shouldn't be a
problem
L651[21:29:40] <mischief> i've never had a
chute burn off
L652[21:31:57] <oren> even while returning
from the mun with no control because you only have enough batteries
for the trip there?
L653[21:32:40] <mischief> no kerbal
onboard?
L654[21:32:52] <mischief> you can get out
and push with your monopropellant :)
L655[21:33:11] <oren> no just a
stayputnik
L656[21:33:21] <mischief> usually i've got
a cone-shaped command pod, with parachutes on the pointy end and a
heat shield on the bottom
L657[21:33:29] <mischief> never burned up
with that setup
L658[21:33:57] <oren> returning with the
instruments bay open worked
L659[21:34:04] <mischief> haha
L660[21:35:28] <oren> and I completed by
contract to return from a flyby of the mun
L661[21:35:52] <oren> now I can finally
get solar panels
L662[21:38:34] <mischief> oh dear
L663[21:38:38] <mischief> solar panels are
quite useful xD
L664[21:40:45] <mischief> hm.. no SAS on
my miner
L665[21:40:51] <mischief> how can i get
SAS?
L666[21:41:00] <mischief> i can't seem to
attach probe cores to the side of my ship..
L667[21:43:21] <mischief> maybe i can't
use the cupola module then, sucks
L668[21:54:19] <oren> put a lander can in
it?
L669[21:54:49] <mischief> i just added a
hitchhiker storage container, to put the engineer in
L670[21:54:54] <mischief> pilot in the
cupola
L671[21:55:57] <JVFoxy> use the truss
structure, then probe on top
L672[21:56:15] <JVFoxy> just make sure its
turned to face the right direction
L673[21:57:36] <mischief> i just didn't
want to block the cupola's view.
L674[21:57:51] <mischief> the hitchhiker
container also gives me more room to put stuff
L675[21:58:02] <mischief> it is an extra
2.5t tho
L676[21:58:47] <JVFoxy> lander can usually
a bit lighter..
L677[21:58:49] <JVFoxy> I think..
L678[21:58:57] <JVFoxy> if you want to add
a probe, and have the coupula..
L679[21:59:23] <mischief> this is a mining
rig
L680[21:59:28] <mischief> it's already 36
tons
L681[21:59:41] <JVFoxy> add a little strut
to the back side. A probe after you turned it to connect. Then just
turn the probe to face the right direction. and slide it into the
body slightly so its not just sticking out
L682[22:00:36] <mischief> not sure how
i'll land the thing though, it's quite tall and heavy
L685[22:01:03] <oren> returning 10 kerbals
in this thing, wcgw
L686[22:01:39] <mischief> haha
L687[22:01:45] <mischief> no rocket for
retrograde burn?
L690[22:02:07] <mischief> should
work
L691[22:02:21] <JVFoxy> I did a 1 pilot+10
kerbal cruise ship.. launched that way. got mun orbit, came back
for LKO.. used a docking station as a meeting point. flew up a
couple of return craft, brought everyone home
L692[22:06:35] <oren> nothing has gont
wrong yet
L693[22:06:52] <Epsilon> Congratulations,
you've guaranteed that something will.
L694[22:07:26] <Epsilon> Although I admire
the realism in saying "yet"
L697[22:08:08] <mischief> yeah, going
sideways is a good way to catch drag
L698[22:08:10] <mischief> (and heat)
L699[22:08:59] <Epsilon> Gives literal
meaning to "this mission has gone sideways"
L700[22:09:05] <mischief> mun miner mk I
ready to go
L702[22:09:25] <mischief> let's get this
tin can off the ground
L703[22:10:02] <mischief> woops, forgot
some wings.
L704[22:10:34] <mischief> only cost
183,000 kerb bucks >_>
L706[22:10:49] <oren> working hooray
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L710[22:21:49] <JVFoxy> one way to do
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L712[22:36:47] <oren> in a sense this
thing is the ultimate spaceplane
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L715[23:03:16] <KrazyKrl> Wouldn't any
surface with 2 dots in it be the ultimate spaceplane?
L716[23:03:40] <JVFoxy> huh?
L717[23:05:52] <KrazyKrl> a number is one
dimensional, a plane is two dimensional. if you define 2 points in
space, you can create a space plane.
L718[23:10:57] <JVFoxy> mm... flying pizza
wedges
L719[23:12:42] <mischief> this sucks
L720[23:12:45] <mischief> my klaw won't
grab
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L722[23:14:25] <mischief> whew got
it
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L725[23:22:34] <mischief> it's dark
L726[23:22:36] <mischief> hold me :(
L727[23:25:34] <Althego> until it
sleeps
L728[23:27:38] <mischief> crashed on
mun
L729[23:27:46] <mischief> had ~200m/s to
go
L730[23:27:49] <mischief> ran out of fuel
:(
L731[23:27:55] <kremlin> oh no
L732[23:28:19] <mischief> i think if i
skip rendezvous i can make it
L733[23:36:38] <JVFoxy> home
L734[23:36:51] <JVFoxy> oh for frig's
sake..
L735[23:36:54] <JVFoxy> sorry
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L737[23:45:23] <mischief> sweet baby
jesus
L738[23:45:24] <mischief> i made it
L739[23:46:13] <mischief> one
problem
L740[23:46:15] <mischief> ground isn't
flat.