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L1[00:01:24] <Neal1> probably altimeters on
the rocket
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L9[00:17:23] <Guest83476> Hello
L10[00:17:26] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest83476
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L17[00:36:00] <Rhys989> hello?
L18[00:36:19] <Rhys989> can I get help
please?
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L22[00:44:04] <UmbralRaptop> Can you be
more specific? (or just leave without actually asking a
question)
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L24[00:52:24] <Rhys989> hello?
L25[00:52:45] <Rhys989> help?
L26[00:53:24] <UmbralRaptop> We cannot help
if you never state the nature of the problem and just leave.
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L28[00:54:05] <UmbralRaptop> Additionally,
IRC is not always real time. Sort of like the forums. Note that eg:
it's the middle of the night in the US.
L29[00:54:19] <KrazyKrl> multiplayer
notepad.
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L31[00:55:47] <Rhys989> sorry, I dc
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L33[00:56:47] <UmbralRaptop> okay
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L35[00:58:50] <Rhys989> I have this problem
in KSP. My 'ship' falls apart on the launch pad after loading in.
Never happened before, it has about 110 parts, I thought I had an
auto-strut mod installed and in the right file directory so I did
not strut manually, there does not seem to be any indication that
it is working and no visual cue. Any Ideas why my ship is
falling
L36[00:58:50] <Rhys989> apart and how to
sort it?
L37[00:59:18] <Rhys989> 110/203 parts
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L39[01:00:20] <Rhys989> falls apart and
explodes.
L40[01:00:21] <UmbralRaptop> Screenshot of
the craft?
L41[01:00:38] <Rhys989> ''and it
exploded!'' lol
L42[01:00:53] <Rhys989> no screen shot
yet.
L43[01:01:06] <Rhys989> How to take screen
shot?
L44[01:02:51] <UmbralRaptop> F1
L45[01:03:03] <Rhys989> okay I will try to
get Screen shot
L46[01:03:57] <UmbralRaptop> It'll be in
(whatever you KSP directory is)/Screenshots
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L48[01:05:14] <Rhys989> I pushed F1, how to
paste in here?
L49[01:06:37] <UmbralRaptop> Upload to your
preferred image hosting site (eg: imgur) and paste the link.
L50[01:07:20] <Rhys989> I do not know about
any hosting site
L51[01:08:50] <KrazyKrl> if you use steam,
you can link a steam screenshot you have uploaded.
L52[01:09:28] <Rhys989> i think i found
imgur here
L53[01:10:51] <Rhys989> ok, here is link,
this is not finished build, I went to launch to try to find the
source of the oxidizer I do not want on the build, that is where I
noticed problem with structural integrity.
L55[01:11:43] <KrazyKrl> oh lord the part
clipping.
L56[01:11:58] <Rhys989> huh?
L57[01:12:42] <UmbralRaptop> KrazyKrl: bad
enough to cause their problems?
L58[01:13:16] <UmbralRaptop> Rhys989: the
way lots of parts are overlapping / clipping through each
other.
L59[01:13:28] <Rhys989> I see. there was an
earlier version without the part clipping and it did not boom
L60[01:13:55] <Rhys989> so the part
clipping is the problem?
L61[01:14:03] <KrazyKrl> Yea, probably. You
are clipping parts into other parts which are not attached in a
parent-child relationship.
L62[01:14:24] <KrazyKrl> you're creating
intersecting cousins.
L63[01:14:34] <Rhys989> imbreeding?
L64[01:15:17] <KrazyKrl> no. Parts are
specifically set to not really interfere with their immediate part
that they were attached to.
L65[01:15:31] <KrazyKrl> think of a tree
where the branches are rubbing together.
L66[01:16:11] <Rhys989> I do not really
understand the business about the symetry with parent and vessel.
it looks the same. Could you sudgest a online video explaining
it.
L67[01:17:02] <KrazyKrl> The main thing
is... you're clipping heavy fuel tanks into MULTIPLE other heavy
fuel tanks. Clipping is practically voodoo in the best of
times.
L68[01:17:40] <Rhys989> you think that bad,
you should see underneath
L69[01:17:51] <Rhys989> oh mercy
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L71[01:18:28] <Rhys989> should i just stick
to connecting things like that to the main core body then?
L72[01:19:37] <KrazyKrl> try to limit
clipping to tucking things into their parent part a bit.
L73[01:20:10] <KrazyKrl> having 1 part
touching 4 other parts where those 4 parts touch 16 other parts
where those 16 parts touch 64 other parts...
L74[01:20:47] <Rhys989> how to identify the
parent? Yes I am noob, I hardly been out of Kerbal SOI
L75[01:20:55] <Rhys989> Kerbin
L76[01:21:47] <KrazyKrl> it's just how you
build the craft (and how it's programmed internally)... you have
the root part which is the first part you placed. then you build it
like a tree that sprouts branches from a trunk.
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L78[01:22:05] <KrazyKrl> the main point
is... don't clip stuff too much.
L79[01:22:24] <Rhys989> but I need/want the
fuel
L80[01:22:30] <Rhys989> underneath
L83[01:22:53] <KrazyKrl> yes, and it looks
neat. but the physics engine doesn't like it.
L84[01:23:22] <UmbralRaptop> The amount of
fuel is fine. The tanks intersecting, however…
L85[01:23:52] <KrazyKrl> not only are they
intersecting... there are decouplers in there.
L86[01:24:39] <KrazyKrl> what does the
flight report say after it explodes?
L87[01:24:44] <Rhys989> no decouplers, just
the senior docking port (1)
L88[01:24:53] <KrazyKrl> especially the
very top entry of the initial failure.
L89[01:25:06] <Rhys989> I did not look, I
only did it once
L90[01:25:18] <Rhys989> too annoyed to
look.
L91[01:25:35] <KrazyKrl> well, that would
tell you almost exactly what problem you have.
L92[01:26:46] <Rhys989> build currently has
70760 units of LF on it, how much to go to eloo and back to Kerbin
low orbit?
L93[01:27:38] <Rhys989> I want to use it as
a tug to anywhere that stays in space
L94[01:27:58] <Rhys989> afk
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L96[01:35:39] <UmbralRaptop> The amount of
fuel needed depends on the mass of the craft (including what it's
pushing), the Isp of the engines, and the type of trajectory
taken.
L97[01:36:38] <KrazyKrl> 71k fuel with
NERVAs is going to get you VERY far.
L98[01:38:43] <Rhys989> the isp is
800
L99[01:38:52] <Rhys989> thrust is
1920
L100[01:39:33] <KrazyKrl> you have a lot
of dry weight due to lots of tanks and engines.
L101[01:39:37] <Rhys989> mass is 508
metric tons
L102[01:41:11] <Rhys989> oh, oops. I miss
read your previous text, I read it as negative
L103[01:42:12] <UmbralRaptop> ;c
71e3/200
L104[01:42:12] <kmath> UmbralRaptop:
355
L105[01:42:29] <Rhys989> I think I was
originally aiming for 33k Dv but now expecting 10k Dv
L106[01:42:54] <UmbralRaptop> ;c
9.80665*800*ln(508/153)
L107[01:42:54] <kmath> UmbralRaptop:
9414.725476857913769
L108[01:43:24] <UmbralRaptop> ;c
800*9.80665*ln(9)
L109[01:43:25] <kmath> UmbralRaptop:
17237.929921067388648
L110[01:43:36] <Rhys989> I was putting all
that fuel there because I was aiming for 10k fuel and 10k Dv
L111[01:44:24] <Rhys989> I wanted 33k Dv
but it was starting to look unrealistic figure
L112[01:45:25] <Rhys989> and I wanted 2k
thrust but I have settled for 1920
L113[01:45:30] <UmbralRaptop> 33 km/s
would require at least 2 stages (and more practically 3)
L114[01:46:30] <Rhys989> well, I have not
got as far as a lifter yet, it actually achieves a TWR=1.06 at 5.3
km or so
L115[01:47:45] <Rhys989> I wanted to
isolate and remove the oxidiser when i first noticed its structural
integ. problem
L116[01:48:21] <Rhys989> But now it would
seem I would have to pick it apart in the VAB now anyway to get rid
of the clipping
L117[01:48:44] <Rhys989> somehow, I
managed to bury some oxidiser in there.
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L120[01:50:02] <Rhys989> I do not
understand your numbers in above text
L121[01:51:37] <KrazyKrl> calculated your
dV as ~17,000 unless i'm not reading it correctly.
L123[01:54:05] <KrazyKrl> pretty close
probably.
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L126[01:58:41] <Rhys989> click for
lol
L129[01:59:06] <KrazyKrl> Did the front
fall off?
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L131[02:00:01] <Rhys989> core is
intact
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L133[02:00:39] <Rhys989> how to bring up
mission in game log?
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L135[02:05:46] <KrazyKrl> F3 iirc.
L136[02:06:48] <Rhys989> dam, i just
reverted
L137[02:06:59] <Rhys989> what is
iirc?
L138[02:07:33] <KrazyKrl> if i recall
correctly
L139[02:07:50] <KrazyKrl> and yes, it's F3
to toggle results screen in KSP.
L140[02:08:28] <Rhys989> k thanks
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L157[04:17:06] <Mat2ch> UmbralRaptop: in
Celcius please
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L166[07:17:55] <mischief> hi
L167[07:17:56] <Mod9000> Hello,
mischief
L168[07:18:19] <mischief> i interrupted an
eva by starting another eva, and i reboarded the ship. but how do i
gain control of the first eva again?
L169[07:18:52] <mischief> the pause menu
warns that 'you are on a ladder' if i try to click tracking
station
L170[07:20:43] <JCB> still there?
L171[07:20:49] <JCB> which version
ksp?
L172[07:21:55] <mischief> 1.4.4
L173[07:22:54] <JCB> ah ok so pc..
L174[07:23:10] <JCB> you'll want to
'switch vessels'.. that is done with the [ and ] keys
L175[07:23:28] <JCB> it'll work as long as
vessels are within 2km of each other
L176[07:23:44] <mischief> hooray!
:-)
L177[07:23:53] <mischief> that was
easy
L178[07:24:20] <JCB> so.. now if you wanna
do a rescue mission later.. you know how to take command of the
other kerbal/vessel when you get close enough
L179[07:25:28] <mischief> now to get these
kerbs home
L180[07:25:32] <mischief> 40 fuel :v
L181[07:25:57] <JCB> very carefully?
L182[07:26:22] <JCB> long as you can get
part of your orbit down past 70km.. you'll eventually come
down
L183[07:27:25] <mischief> i am in orbit
around the mun xD
L184[07:27:45] <mischief> i had to eva to
reset my science jr
L185[07:28:09] <mischief> the scientist is
in the crew cabin, so i had to eva the pilot in the command module
first, and then transfer him since there's no crew hatch
L186[07:29:02] <JCB> oh mun...
L187[07:29:08] <JCB> ya that can pose a
bit of a problem..
L188[07:29:46] <JCB> is it equipped with
docking ports?
L189[07:30:21] <mischief> no
L190[07:30:28] <mischief> not that far in
career yet
L191[07:31:44] <JCB> could always get out
and push.. though that gets a little tricky
L192[07:32:24] <Gasher[work]> rescue
missio
L193[07:32:26] <JCB> unless you have
relays around the mun... wouldn't suggest a robotic resuce
L194[07:32:37] <Gasher[work]> then rescue
mission for the rescue mission
L195[07:32:58] <JCB> nah.. I tend to like
planning my stuff a little better
L196[07:33:19] <mischief> damnit
L197[07:33:33] <JCB> do have a rescue
contract mission... no idea where kerbal was till I took it. stupid
ended up half way to the south pole on the mun
L198[07:33:37] <mischief> 1.m million
meters from kerbin
L199[07:33:47] <JCB> oh..
L200[07:33:48] <mischief> 1.3
L201[07:33:58] <mischief> i almost got my
trajectory back but ran out of fuel.
L202[07:34:04] <JCB> was going to suggest
holding off till you could get something else out there
L203[07:34:38] <mischief> how do you 'get
out and push'?
L204[07:34:42] <JCB> not a total loss..
just need to get something out there to help it before the mun
throws your orbit out of wack
L205[07:34:47] <Gasher[work]> 1)get out 2)
push
L206[07:34:51] <JCB> kerbals have
jetpacks..
L207[07:34:56] <mischief> i mean
L208[07:35:00] <Gasher[work]> and they
replendish fuel for free
L209[07:35:01] <mischief> i can't hold
onto ladder no?
L210[07:35:06] <Gasher[work]> no
L211[07:35:08] <JCB> you have a pilot
right?
L212[07:35:24] <JCB> get one non-pilot
out... because you want the pilot to keep the ship stable
L213[07:35:52] <JCB> jet around to a spot,
use the kerbal to bump into the ship, push it retro further.. just
take care not to run out of pack fuel
L214[07:36:05] <Gasher[work]> turn on SAS,
put pilot in, orient the craft the way you need, get the other
kerbal so that it would face the craft's bottom where up is the
direction of where it was oriented then turn on jetpack with IJKL
buttons forward
L215[07:36:09] <mischief> roger
L216[07:36:40] <JCB> you'll have to do
some shuffling around with crew because of the one exit
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L218[07:36:59] <JCB> unfortunatley, if
crew isn't pilot... SAS won't work
L219[07:37:14] <Gasher[work]> it's
tedious
L220[07:37:29] <Gasher[work]> reallly, a
rescue mission could take much less IRL time
L221[07:37:54] <JCB> hopefully... craft
won't just blow up on re-entry
L222[07:39:48] <mischief> the eva jets
barely do .1m/s change
L223[07:40:39] <Gasher[work]> as i said,
tedious
L224[07:40:46] <Gasher[work]> well they
are infinite
L225[07:47:18] <mischief> covered 400k
meters so far :)
L226[07:47:30] <mischief> few more rounds
of eva and i might make it back home
L227[08:09:10] <JCB> progress?
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L229[08:10:52] <mischief> ~200000m to
go
L230[08:10:58] <mischief> :P
L232[08:11:36] <mischief> i will probably
just burn up anyway
L233[08:14:48] <mischief> what might an
ideal altitude for a hot entry be
L234[08:14:58] <mischief> i don't really
wanna go back around either
L235[08:20:29] <JCB> from LKO.. usually I
set to 35km
L236[08:21:20] <JCB> might wanna be around
50-55... give yourself a few rounds. likley going in too fast to do
a direct descent
L237[08:22:18] <mischief> we have lost the
crew cabit
L238[08:22:20] <mischief> cabin.
L239[08:25:01] <mischief> hooray
L240[08:25:04] <mischief> chutes
deployed
L241[08:25:24] <mischief> only my command
pod, service bay with batteries, and chutes survived
L242[08:25:31] <mischief> everything else
burned off :(
L243[08:25:42] <JCB> probably came down
too deep
L244[08:26:29] <mischief> was 35km
L245[08:26:35] <mischief> but it got hot
pretty fast
L246[08:26:41] <mischief> was going in at
like 3200m/s..
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L248[08:28:50] <mischief> RIP bob and
valentina.
L249[08:30:15] <JCB> 35.. only if you in
stable LKO orbit..
L250[08:30:25] <JCB> otherwise.. coming
from moon, ya, you'll have too much speed built on
L251[08:31:42] <JCB> I'mma make a video..
my jump jet pod thing.. reaching out to the mountains to get
surface sample
L252[08:33:55] <mischief> what is this
nonsense
L253[08:34:01] <mischief> take *five*
tourists to the mun
L254[08:34:19] <mischief> i need
coffee
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L256[08:41:45] <JCB> s'ok.. I took
10
L257[08:41:52] <JCB> 2 wanted just Kerbin
orbit
L258[08:42:02] <JCB> so 12 total.. plus
pilot ;)
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L265[09:18:15] <JCB> wee...
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L268[09:47:06] <JCB> ferg...
L269[09:47:30] <JCB> having to convert
video... little sounds in background from KSP... ya, got a little
messed up. >.<
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L287[11:16:16] <mischief> now i got *onto*
the mun
L288[11:16:18] <mischief> now to get off
:)
L289[11:19:10] <mischief> crap
L290[11:19:15] <mischief> have 3
fuel.
L291[11:23:45] <mischief> reverted flight.
:(
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L293[11:35:03] <UmbralRaptop> Or rescue
mission.
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L303[11:54:45] <UmbralRaptop> Yay,
IRCOps
L304[12:00:25] <Neal1> Infrared Cops
L305[12:01:37] *
UmbralRaptop hands Zarthus, Hikaru, mr_flea, et al dewers of liquid
nitrogen.
L306[12:01:54] ***
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L307[12:02:03] <Zarthus> ah, more fuel for
the ircds
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L309[12:08:25] <mischief> my rocket
sucks
L310[12:09:14] <UmbralRaptop> That's just
the turbopumps.
L311[12:11:25] <APlayer> Aww, I missed the
fun again
L312[12:11:39] <APlayer> Not by that much,
though
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L314[12:16:20] <Mat2ch> oh, wow, somebody
is driving a real smear campaign against kloeri. With fake blog
posts and stuff.
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L316[12:19:04] <Neal> they're not even on
the right network
L317[12:22:12] <Draconiator> What the heck
did the guy do anyway?
L318[12:25:11] <Zarthus> my experience on
what is necessary to do in order to end up being harassed on the
internet: nada.
L319[12:32:13] <APlayer> The internet is a
very interesting place. All sorts of stuff going on.
L320[12:32:27] <APlayer> Not all of the
things you can find there are nice.
L321[12:32:38] <mischief> so do i swap my
4 thumper boosters for liquid fuel engines and chain them with a
pipe to my main engine?
L322[12:32:47] <mischief> err, 6
thumpers
L323[12:33:33] <APlayer> mischief: An
image, as well as the issues your rocket has, would be
helpful.
L324[12:33:59] <mischief> i lack
oomph
L325[12:34:31] <APlayer> Either use MOAR
boosters, LESS weight, or DIFFERENT boosters. ;-)
L326[12:34:44] <mischief> word
L327[12:34:52] <mischief> i could upgrade
from 6 thumpers to 6 kickbacks
L328[12:34:59] <mischief> they cost a lot
though :(
L329[12:35:18] <APlayer> Liquid engine
& fuel tank stacks can also be considered as boosters
L330[12:35:27] <mischief> rocket's already
at $33,192 kerb-bucks or whatever they are.
L331[12:35:28] <APlayer> But, again, an
image would help me help you
L332[12:36:33] <UmbralRaptop> It's
entirely possible that eg: 6 thumpers → 4 kickbacks would make
sense.
L333[12:36:44] <UmbralRaptop> But also,
pics.
L334[12:37:02] <mischief>
i.imgur.com/joHB69U.jpg
L335[12:37:09] <mischief> err
L337[12:37:42] <APlayer> The rocket you
are requesting does not exist or is no longer available.
L338[12:37:46] <Mat2ch> needs moar
boosters
L339[12:37:59] <APlayer> Is this a Mun
lander?
L340[12:38:05] <mischief> yeah
L341[12:38:14] <APlayer> Pretty sure the
lander tank can be halved in size
L342[12:38:29] <mischief> APlayer: it was
halved the first time around
L343[12:38:36] <mischief> first time i
made it the whole way and then i ran out of fuel trying to deorbit
back to home
L344[12:38:47] <mischief> 16:19:09
mischief | crap
L345[12:38:52] <mischief> 16:19:15
mischief | have 3 fuel.
L346[12:38:54] <mischief> 16:23:45
mischief | reverted flight. :(
L347[12:39:02] <APlayer> Don't need the
reaction wheels on it either, you have strong built in ones in the
capsule
L348[12:39:35] <APlayer> I'm pretty sure
the issue is related to your trajectory if you're not making it. At
most, add a half size tank with a quarter size one
L349[12:39:45] <UmbralRaptop> I bet adding
another tank of liquid fuel somewhere would do the most for
Δv.
L350[12:40:14] <mischief> i could put
another Large tank for my Skipper engine
L351[12:40:42] <mischief> (thats on the
bottom)
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L353[12:41:56] <APlayer> DO you have KER
or MechJeb to show the delta V readouts?
L354[12:41:59] <APlayer> Do*
L355[12:42:57] <mischief> nope, mod free
:-P
L356[12:43:03] <APlayer> Ah, I see
L357[12:43:11] <mischief> i suppose i
should get mechjeb, but i wanted to try career without mods
L358[12:43:52] <APlayer> Well, I once
again suggest beginning the modifications with the lander, because
you can make it lighter, and that's what saves the most dv
L359[12:44:10] <mischief> APlayer: my
problems so far have been getting *off* the mun though
L360[12:44:41] <mischief> i could ditch a
battery and half the tank back to the original but not much
else.
L361[12:44:41] <APlayer> Can you record
the dry and fuelled mass of the lander for me?
L362[12:44:57] <APlayer> You can also
ditch the reaction wheels
L363[12:45:48] <UmbralRaptop> ΔV
information is so important that it arguably should be stock.
L364[12:46:08] <mischief> engineer report
seems to say 4.085t
L365[12:46:22] <APlayer> When dry?
L366[12:46:28] <mischief> tank is
FL-T400
L367[12:46:33] <mischief> i assume that's
full.
L368[12:46:49] <mischief> let's
see..
L369[12:46:50] <APlayer> If you right
click the tank, you can change the amount of fuel in it with the
sliders
L370[12:46:59] <APlayer> Default is
full
L371[12:47:10] <mischief> FL-T400 is
2.25t, liquid fuel is 0.9 t and oxidizer is 1.1 t.
L372[12:47:21] <APlayer> I see
L373[12:47:37] <mischief> so my ship is
about 3t when empty and 4t when full
L374[12:47:57] <APlayer> !c 9.81 * 330 *
ln(4.085 / 2.085)
L375[12:48:02] <APlayer> Uh
L376[12:48:07] <APlayer> ;c 9.81 * 330 *
ln(4.085 / 2.085)
L377[12:48:07] <kmath> APlayer:
2177.255415961027405
L378[12:48:12] <APlayer> Ah, there we
go
L379[12:48:25] <mischief> did you miss a
digit
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L383[12:48:45] <APlayer> Quick
clicking
L384[12:48:46] <Althego> hehe that was
fast
L385[12:48:52] <UmbralRaptop>
Zarthus!
L386[12:49:00] <Zarthus> you tried
L387[12:49:06] <Zarthus> but I saw them
before you called my name!
L388[12:49:10] <UmbralRaptop> Ah,
thanks.
L389[12:49:14] <APlayer> UmbralRaptop++
Zarthus++ thanks for taking care of that stuff
L390[12:49:34] <Zarthus> what's the .rs
tld again?
L391[12:50:10] <APlayer> .rs?
L392[12:50:19] <UmbralRaptop> Serbia,
apparently.
L394[12:51:09] <mischief> APlayer: was
that suppoed to be ln(4.085 / 3.085) insted of ln(4.085 / 2.085)
?
L395[12:51:23] <APlayer> mischief: 0.9 t +
1.1 t = 2 t
L396[12:51:31] <mischief> derp
L397[12:51:35] *
mischief drinks more coffee
L398[12:51:38] <APlayer> I subtracted 2 t
from 4.085 t
L399[12:51:43] <Zarthus> ah, used in rust
projects
L400[12:51:45] <Zarthus> naturally
L401[12:52:09] <mischief> APlayer: is this
delta v?
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L404[12:53:33] <APlayer> mischief: Yes, it
is. Generally, you need 600 m/s for takeoff or landing at the Mun,
290 m/s to enter Mun orbit from a transmunar trajectory or to
return to Kerbin from a low Mun orbit, and unfortunately I don't
remember how much to get from LKO to LMO
L405[12:53:37] <Fluburtur> lots of spam
tonight
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L409[12:54:49] *
APlayer needs to practice his kickban moves, though
L410[12:54:58] <mischief> i'm gonna muck
around a little bit with my rocket and try mun one more time
L411[12:55:07] <mischief> if i fail ill
bend and install mechjeb
L412[12:55:30] <APlayer> mischief: In any
case, 2 km/s is about as much as I was using to get from LKO, to
the Mun surface and back to Kerbin, IIRC
L413[12:55:52] <APlayer> Unfortunately, I
haven't played in the stock solar system for a long time now
L414[12:56:03] <mischief> haha.
L415[12:56:20] <APlayer> 900 m/s from LKO
to TMI, apparently
L416[12:56:53] <APlayer> So you use 2700
m/s
L417[12:57:01] <UmbralRaptop> ^
L418[12:57:15] <APlayer> Perhaps I was
bringing 3 km/s in total
L419[12:57:29] <mischief> i've added an
additional Rockomax X200-16 for my Skipper engine.
L420[12:57:38] <mischief> should give a
bit more oomph.
L421[12:57:46] <APlayer> But anyway, in
most rockets, it's the upper stage that should be doing the
transfer orbit insertion, and the lander needs 1800 m/s
L422[12:58:00] <APlayer> This is including
some safety margin already
L423[12:58:14] <mischief> by your
calculation mine is 2177 ?
L424[12:58:22] <APlayer> Yes
L425[12:58:31] <APlayer> You can safely
cut 400 m/s there
L426[12:59:11] <APlayer> If you remove a
battery, the reaction wheels and half the tankage, you may just
about get there
L427[12:59:43] <APlayer> Perhaps you will
need one of the orange torodial tanks there
L428[13:00:06] <mischief> wait
L429[13:00:10] <mischief> so my lander is
too heavy?
L430[13:00:25] <APlayer> I'm pretty sure
you can make it much lighter
L431[13:00:39] <APlayer> Did you remove
the monopropellant from the crew capsule too, by the way?
L432[13:01:04] <mischief> no haha
L433[13:01:10] <mischief> i didnt even
know you could deduct fuel.
L434[13:01:30] <APlayer> Well, now you
know another trick. ;-)
L435[13:04:09] <mischief> okay
L436[13:04:13] <mischief> i think the
extra gas helped
L437[13:04:27] <mischief> havent even
ejected the large tank yet, and i just finished aligning my kerbin
orbit
L438[13:04:57] <mischief> is it ok to do
orbital transfers at points other than ap and pe?
L439[13:05:21] <APlayer> As long as your
orbit is reasonably circular, no, the kraken will get you
L440[13:05:33] <APlayer> ;-)
L441[13:06:00] <mischief> what
L442[13:07:48] <APlayer> You can do your
maneuver wherever you want to do it, and if your orbit is
reasonably circular, it does not matter at all
L443[13:08:53] <APlayer> Even if you have
a very elliptic orbit, you can do your maneuver anywhere, not just
at the periapsis. But if you do it close to the apoapsis, you're
going to get less out of it, because of the oberth effect
L444[13:09:09] <mischief> im at 118k/101k
on kerbin
L445[13:09:14] <mischief> here we go to
the mun :)
L446[13:09:36] <APlayer> That's close
enough to circular, but doing it at the periapsis would be just
slightly more efficient
L447[13:10:03] <mischief> also, is there
ever a time i should prefer the Target marker on the nav ball to my
manuever marker?
L448[13:10:11] <mischief> is Target marker
more accurate?
L449[13:10:28] <APlayer> No, not at
all
L450[13:11:39] <APlayer> The maneuver
marker is where you want to point if you want to end up in the
trajectory your maneuver should get you to. The target marker
points only to the Mun. They may end up opposite if you overshoot
your maneuver, and pointing at the target marker would only
overshoot you even more
L451[13:12:16] *
APlayer goes to buy some grammar
L452[13:12:27] <APlayer> But I guess that
was understandable enough
L453[13:16:12] <mischief> haha
L454[13:16:15] <mischief> oops.
L455[13:16:29] <mischief> didn't get a
orbin trajectory for the mun
L456[13:16:35] <mischief> instead got a
crash trajectory xD
L457[13:16:40] <APlayer> Perfect
L458[13:17:06] <APlayer> Now warp until
you pass about 2/3 of the transfer and to a course correction
L459[13:17:17] <APlayer> do* a course
correction
L461[13:18:11] <APlayer> Woops, that's a
bit close to the Mun now
L462[13:18:44] <APlayer> You could have
made an efficient trajectory correction while some distance off in
the Kerbin SOI. It will cost you 10 or 20 m/s now
L463[13:18:57] <APlayer> Perhaps even
more
L464[13:19:16] <mischief> i still have
half of my tank before the lander
L465[13:19:25] <mischief> so i could just
try to use it all going retrograde
L466[13:19:50] <APlayer> Then you have
absolutely plenty
L467[13:20:46] <mischief> maybe i can land
it pointing straight up o.O
L468[13:21:04] <APlayer> You will ditch
the tank before you begin descent anyway, and you have way too much
fuel to use it all up before that. May as well expend some fuel for
a nice trajectory
L469[13:21:23] <APlayer> I don't recommend
landing on the tank. It will make EVA harder, and it's an
unjustified risk
L470[13:21:44] <APlayer> Your lander has
more than enough fuel to do all you need without the upper
stage
L471[13:22:37] <APlayer> At the very most,
do a constant altitude burn with the upper stage tank, ditch it,
and then do a suicide burn with the lander. But without
pre-calculated readouts, that will be exceptionally hard
L472[13:23:20] <Draconiator> went to help
the Freenode staffers with that problem person. They say it's just
a single person doing this.
L473[13:24:00] <APlayer> TBH, I highly
doubt more than one person would be entertained by doing such a
thing
L474[13:24:24] <mischief> 5000m and
30m/s
L475[13:24:26] <mischief> we are
good
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L477[13:26:25] <mischief> .. damnit
L478[13:26:31] <mischief> ship fell
over.
L479[13:26:36] <APlayer> Aww
L480[13:26:46] <APlayer> How much fuel is
there left?
L481[13:27:17] <mischief> like 75 or 80%
:)
L482[13:27:24] <Zarthus> based on our
supplier of liquid nitrogen, 150%
L483[13:27:51] <APlayer> I think you're
good to leave it with your crew for safety reasons, and try to
launch it upright from the next hill
L484[13:28:14] <APlayer> Disable the
reaction wheels to conserve the battery, though. At least until
you're off the ground
L485[13:28:28] <mischief> i am wiggling
down the hill
L486[13:28:36] <APlayer> Zarthus: What
about coffee?
L487[13:28:38] <mischief> if it was
steeper i think the reaction wheels could pick me up :/
L488[13:28:39] <Fluburtur> who uses
reaction wheels
L489[13:28:45] <Fluburtur> I just bother
putting rcs everywhere
L490[13:29:11] <mischief> ill get the eva
over with
L491[13:29:11] <APlayer> mischief: Just
point upwards at the hill and light the engine
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L493[13:30:06] <APlayer> Do not attempt to
use the engine gimbal to get upright, though, it may destroy the
lander
L494[13:30:53] <mischief> :(
L495[13:31:09] <mischief> and what,
scraping the ground doesn't?
L496[13:32:39] <APlayer> It does too, but
not as much as pointing the engine upwards due to the gimbal, and
pressing your ship into the ground with it
L497[13:33:35] <APlayer> You may also
attempt to disable gimbal, enable reaction wheels, light the engine
and get upright this way. But you don't have any way to replenish
the lost electric charge and you may need it later for reentry or
whatever
L498[13:33:58] <mischief> oh my
L499[13:34:01] <mischief> i broke my
engine.
L500[13:34:26] <APlayer> That's
unfortunate. How did it happen?
L501[13:34:38] <mischief> i tried to stand
my ship up and went a little too fast
L502[13:34:44] <mischief> and only the
engine hit the ground :P
L503[13:34:58] <mischief> and no quicksave
of course
L504[13:35:12] <APlayer> Yeah... You
should get high enough off the ground before actually attempting to
get upright
L505[13:35:22] <APlayer> I hope the crew
is out of the lander?
L506[13:36:01] <mischief> crap
L507[13:36:07] <APlayer> Or the lander is
not moving at 50 m/s a few meters above the terrain, at least?
:P
L508[13:36:10] <mischief> i was going to
revert the flight but i loaded a save
L509[13:36:14] <mischief> and the landed
is still on the mun
L510[13:36:20] <mischief> no, it's
grounded
L511[13:36:26] <mischief> oh!
L512[13:36:31] <mischief> loading my save
worked
L513[13:36:37] <mischief> engine is back
:)
L514[13:36:41] <APlayer> Hah
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L519[13:38:23] <nedbat> Hey, I thought you
guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member
Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard
https://bryanostergaard.com/
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L523[13:38:44] <APlayer> Zarthus ^
L524[13:39:02] <Zarthus> thanks
L525[13:40:21] <APlayer> mischief: Then I
guess you could indeed try to disable engine gimbal, enable
reaction wheels, skid over the ground with the engine, wait until
you hit a bump that launches you 1 - 2 m off the ground, and
immediately get up as far as possible to get more altitude
L526[13:40:30] <Zarthus> fun fact: I think
this channel is the only one where the ops are around actively
enough to kill it before I do..
L527[13:41:04] <mischief> bump?
L528[13:41:06] <APlayer> Zarthus: Just
actively participating in a conversation right now, so we're there
when it happens
L529[13:41:06] <mischief> looks flat to
me
L530[13:41:14] <Zarthus> I guess that
helps.
L531[13:41:15] <APlayer> mischief: Then
the top of the hill
L532[13:41:24] <Zarthus> I'm considering
not issueing a KLINE and seeing if they just voluntarily
disconnect.
L533[13:41:28] <APlayer> But there will be
something uneven in the terrain nearby
L534[13:41:43] <APlayer> Zarthus: Is there
any point in doing that?
L535[13:42:11] <Zarthus> yes, it might
make them feel a more accomplished troll
L536[13:42:20] <Zarthus> therefore not
seeing the need to return for round N
L537[13:42:35] <Zarthus> the opposite is
also possible: they start flooding more nonsense
L538[13:43:26] <mischief> haha
L539[13:43:35] <mischief> i managed to get
it up
L540[13:43:51] <APlayer> mischief:
Congratulations!
L541[13:43:53] <mischief> by using my
fixed ladder as a thing to rock back and forth on
L542[13:44:01] <Zarthus> r/nocontext
L543[13:44:03] <mischief> with the builtin
reaction wheels
L544[13:44:11] <APlayer> Zarthus: Humm, I
see. Did you try to communicate with them?
L545[13:44:17] <Zarthus> kinda.
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L548[13:44:52] <Zarthus> I tried pointing
out the fact their website seemed illigitimate.
L549[13:44:57] <Zarthus> but they didn't
respond
L550[13:45:09] <Guest17080> yo guys.
bought ksp back in 2013. i still have the option to download it. is
it still the latest versions as the ones in the store
L551[13:45:26] <Guest17080> stupid
question i know
L552[13:45:34] <Zarthus> yes, the site
version should be the newest
L553[13:45:41] <APlayer> Guest17080: If
you bought KSP once, you can download any version of it that is
available
L554[13:45:57] <Guest17080> thanks
:D
L555[13:46:04] <APlayer> Ah, woops, I
misread that
L556[13:46:19] <mischief> now how do i get
off this rock xD
L557[13:46:22] <mischief> lets try
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L560[13:48:04] <APlayer> I guess those
were single use IPs for our specialist. May as well unban them, in
case someone uses them in the future
L561[13:49:14] <mischief> is there a way
to set kerbin as target
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L564[13:49:58] <APlayer> Aye, they quit
voluntarily this time
L565[13:50:01] <APlayer> Zarthus ^
L566[13:50:05] <Draconiator>
Ugh.....channel notices now
L567[13:50:48] <mischief> i have mun orbit
and half a tank of gas
L568[13:50:51] <mischief> think i can make
it? :P
L569[13:51:30] <APlayer> Definitely
L570[13:51:35] <mr_flea> APlayer: I got
him... might I suggest channel mode +T (no notices)?
L571[13:52:10] <APlayer> I'm not sure how
that works, but I trust your judgement on that
L572[13:52:26] <APlayer> How do I set
that?
L573[13:52:59] <mr_flea> /mode
#KSPOfficial +T
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L575[13:53:13] <APlayer> Alright, thank
you!
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L577[13:54:37] <APlayer> o/ Deddly
L578[13:54:45] <mischief> okay
L579[13:54:48] <mischief> here we go
L580[13:54:50] <mischief> back to
kerbin
L581[13:55:53] <mr_flea> [I hope we have
the no notices module loaded... Although the mode being settable
probably means it is.]
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L588[13:56:42] <mr_flea> well it
worked
L589[13:56:57] <Althego> still two
launches within an hour in 16.5 hours
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L591[13:59:07] <mischief> out of
fuel
L592[13:59:09] <mischief> crashing
L593[13:59:12] <mischief> god have mercy
on our souls.
L594[13:59:42] <Althego> witch mercy, that
is. my servants never die! :)
L595[13:59:50] <APlayer> Why crashing? You
have a parachute
L596[14:00:05] <mischief> coming in
hot
L597[14:00:13] <mischief> goo canisters
and batteries blew off
L598[14:00:17] <mischief> legs did
too
L599[14:00:20] <APlayer> That's fine, as
long as you have a heat shield
L600[14:00:25] <mischief> no haha
L601[14:00:29] <Althego> hehe
L602[14:00:38] <APlayer> Ah, now I
understand the issue
L603[14:00:44] <Althego> returning from
where?
L604[14:00:58] <APlayer> Well, next time
detach the trunk of the lander and expose a heatshield prior to
reentry
L605[14:01:11] <mischief> i blew up
L606[14:01:15] <mischief> was going too
fast :(
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L608[14:01:26] <mundus2018> Hey, I thought
you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member
Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard
https://bryanostergaard.com/
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L611[14:01:38] <Althego> they just dont
stop
L612[14:02:00] <mischief> oh no
L613[14:02:01] <mr_flea> yep... and
they're abusing a range of IPs that makes it difficult for us to
set a network ban.
L614[14:02:10] <mischief> my game got
saved after crash
L615[14:02:15] <mischief> no going back i
guess ;_;
L616[14:02:41] <mischief> that's
stupid
L617[14:02:45] <mischief> heck this
game
L618[14:03:06] <APlayer> Aww
L619[14:03:21] <mischief> Althego: i
returned from mun
L620[14:03:42] <mischief> i targeted about
44000m altitude, but i came in too fast.
L621[14:03:55] <mischief> all the stuff on
my ship burned off and i was going too fast for chutes to
work..
L622[14:04:01] <Althego> then you can have
a reentry as shallow as you want. say 46 km. that is usually safe,
and nothing blows up. although you end up in a multi pass
aerobrake
L623[14:04:14] <mischief> ?
L624[14:04:18] <mischief> i did 44km or
so?
L625[14:04:23] <mischief> still got
hot
L626[14:04:33] <Althego> then make it even
higher
L627[14:05:06] <mischief> i used what
little fuel i had left to slow down but there was not much in my
lander
L628[14:05:23] <mischief> maybe a heat
shield would make sense
L629[14:05:34] <mischief> and a decoupler
for the can's tank and engine
L630[14:05:59] <mischief> lost my best
pilot and like 200 science :(
L631[14:08:52] <mischief> ah
L632[14:08:57] <mischief> only need kerbin
orbit for lv 2.
L633[14:09:05] <mischief> gotta orbit
kerbin again i guess
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L636[14:16:16] <Warped> Hey, I thought you
guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member
Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard
https://bryanostergaard.com/
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L638[14:16:54] <APlayer> mr_flea ^
L639[14:17:03] <mr_flea> oh boy, he's
switched providers
L640[14:17:12] <mr_flea> to digitalocean
now :/
L641[14:17:27] <APlayer> Yay, more
fun!
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L647[14:36:03] <Rolf> yeah fkipping racist
#2
L648[14:36:38] <Mat2ch> Huh?
L649[14:36:47] <Mat2ch> somebody seems to
hate the freenode staff
L650[14:38:18] <Rolf> that or supporting.
its hard to analyize what our wonderful guy is saying
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L652[14:39:33] <Mat2ch> nah, was here
earlier and posted something similar
L653[14:39:43] <Mat2ch> it's a smear
campaign against the freenode staff
L654[14:39:50] <Rolf> saw em yeah
L655[14:39:50] <Zarthus> bad rep is still
rep
L656[14:39:52] <Zarthus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L657[14:39:58] <Rolf> unless its
faked
L658[14:40:09] <Rolf> I dont know if those
sites is in any way related to that person
L659[14:40:26] <Mat2ch> I'd say no
L660[14:40:57] <Mat2ch> the other site
isn't, the blog of kloeri is somewhere different
L661[14:41:20] <Mat2ch> but they did their
homework, they even copied old blog posts over and changed the date
so it appears that these blogs are online for some time now
L662[14:41:48] <Rolf> really careful with
second link, I saw page with text details, didn't click in case
there was more exlict stuff. dangerous.
L663[14:42:01] <Mat2ch> MattSTrout.com is
registered since 2018-07-19T17:15:36
L664[14:42:19] <Rolf> yeah seems more and
more likely faked up
L665[14:43:06] <Rolf> if that site has
more serious stuff person who faked it up can get jail time because
that topic is really super sick and yeah ver arrestable stuff
L666[14:43:15] <Zarthus> >more serious
stuff
L667[14:43:32] <Zarthus> it's not suitable
for this channel and all
L668[14:44:04] <Zarthus> but let's be
honest: nobody is going to be arrested for this
L669[14:44:07] <Mat2ch> I find it
important to show that this is fake and why, so others don't
click
L670[14:44:11] <Rolf> yeah thats why I'm
going around with words. someone really need to call some more
local police with this, from whereever its registered at
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L672[14:45:18] <Rolf> Mat2ch: does it say
who registered and so on?
L673[14:45:36] <Mat2ch> No, that's not
shown anymore
L674[14:45:45] <Zarthus> and it's easily
fakable anyway
L675[14:45:50] <Mat2ch> But the names are
likely faked, too
L676[14:45:57] <Zarthus> anyone with half
a brain can type in a string of characters
L677[14:46:26] <Rolf> if its "trail
registeration" it could be ALL fake info
L678[14:46:44] <Zarthus> my WHOISGUARD has
never been asked to be verified
L679[14:46:48] <Zarthus> it's all
fake
L680[14:49:10] <mischief> yay
L681[14:49:18] <mischief> heat shield and
jettisoning the lander's engine worked
L682[14:49:21] <mischief> not overheating
:)
L683[14:49:32] <mischief> cruising in to
kerbin
L684[14:54:19] <mischief> woo
L685[14:54:23] <mischief> got like 180
science
L686[14:54:27] <mischief> and my new pilot
got 7 xp
L688[14:56:35] <Gasher> lol i have seen
taht thing about freenode today
L689[14:56:41] <Gasher> someone's too
dedicated
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L694[15:03:15] <Rolf> checked freenode
channel for admin, they know
L695[15:03:26] <Rolf> most of spammers are
from cloudflare apparently
L696[15:03:35] <Rolf> and one from hacked
raspiberry
L697[15:03:56] <Zarthus> of course they
know
L698[15:04:01] <Zarthus> you're not the
first, not the tenth, nor the last.
L700[15:04:04] <kmath> YouTube - This
Computer Costs $10
L701[15:04:17] <Rolf> Zarthus: i was
pretty sure wanted to check anyway
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L703[15:05:36] <mischief> so i've almost
got all of the 90-science nodes in career
L704[15:05:59] <APlayer> Someone's just
enjoying to cause some trouble, I guess
L705[15:06:01] <mischief> and i've done
one successful mun landing (and one unsuccessful one that still got
me science)
L706[15:06:08] <mischief> what should i do
next?
L707[15:06:13] <Rolf> ap or bitter after
being banned or something
L708[15:06:19] <APlayer> Whatever the
reason, we shall enjoy dealing with the matter
L709[15:06:58] <Mat2ch> mischief: either
you go science farming on the Mun or go to Minmus
L710[15:07:14] <UmbralRaptop> mischief:
Minmus! (alternatively, explore more of the Mün?)
L711[15:08:56] <Zarthus> Draconiator:
minecraft runs on that thing, jesus
L712[15:09:16] <Gasher> mischief, em,
unsuccesful but still got science? how?
L713[15:09:19] <Zarthus> is that the cpp
version?
L714[15:09:44] <Rolf> the rspi build of
minecraft
L715[15:09:50] <mischief> Gasher: i sent
stuff back but i crashed as i tried to come back home
L716[15:09:51] <Rolf> bit limited and
world size is small
L717[15:10:22] <Zarthus> i don't care how
limited it is, that you can get what looks like 23+ fps on it is
amazin
L718[15:10:43] <Rolf> yeah
L719[15:11:00] <Rolf> someone made rspi
rack and it was pretty insane
L721[15:13:55] <Rolf> "@PiAhoy - our
client is using them for clustering. Currently we got 5 of there
which makes 350 RPIs total in cluster."
L722[15:14:14] <mischief> Mat2ch: what's
'science farming?' the science points are finite, no?
L723[15:14:39] <Draconiator> The fact that
we may have the equivalent of gaming beasts from the late 80s
floating around our houses soon, so small you can't distinguish
them from dust.....
L724[15:15:05] <mischief> oh
L725[15:15:12] <mischief> i need to bring
a science jr to the mun i guess
L726[15:15:21] <mischief> probably get
loads of science for that
L727[15:16:14] <Gasher> mischief, also
lab
L728[15:16:30] <Mat2ch> mischief: yes,
they are finite. But there are many biomes on the Mun and you will
get science points for every experiment there.
L729[15:16:31] <Gasher> you can take
samples into it and process them for more science
L730[15:16:33] <mischief> i haven't got a
lab?
L731[15:16:53] <Gasher> experiment and
sample
L732[15:17:17] <Mat2ch> so you can pack as
many experiments as you have, send a vessel and do biome hopping
(with a fuel tanker in orbit). Once you've got all biomes, go back
to Kerbin with > 4000 science points...
L733[15:17:26] <Rolf> is biome information
still aliased?
L734[15:17:38] <Rolf> so theres a thin
biome between biomes
L735[15:18:00] <Draconiator> Smart dust.
heh
L736[15:18:25] <Rolf> my favorite quick
biome at kerbin is base itself, grass outside it, beach near it,
and line between beach and grass.
L737[15:18:34] <Rolf> thats 4 biomes in
short trip in car
L738[15:19:04] <Rolf> which tells me
kerbals live underground as they had to check surface biomes.
L739[15:20:43] <Gasher> base used to have
like 15+ biomes, no?
L740[15:20:51] <Gasher> did they change
that?
L741[15:21:17] <Rolf> dunno I recall just
checking the strip had unique biome besides that dunno
L742[15:21:45] <Gasher> inside the base
buildings have their own biomes
L743[15:22:02] <Rolf> weird
L744[15:22:13] <Gasher> also i managed to
roll an asteroid over base it getting new science for each sampling
of the asteroid when it was in new base biome
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L746[15:22:53] <Rolf> what no asteroid
bowling
L747[15:22:58] <Rolf> man I miss
danny
L748[15:23:20] <Gasher> heh
L749[15:23:49] <Gasher> world-killing
contraption made of three parts
L750[15:23:53] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
L751[15:23:57] <Gasher> hi
L752[15:23:57] <Mod9000> Hello,
Gasher
L753[15:24:09] <Gasher> hi bоt
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L755[15:24:33] <Rolf> yeah danny found a
way to kill all planet except one
L756[15:24:39] <Rolf> that green one
lol
L757[15:25:22] <Rolf> I bet you ksp devs
have so many copies of danny saves and fixed so many bugs
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L759[15:33:40] <mischief> how do i make a
car
L760[15:34:05] <Gasher> landing wheels +
jet or powered wheels + some power souce
L761[15:34:42] <Rolf> indeed
L762[15:34:53] <Rolf> once made ion engine
car. worked great till nerf lol
L763[15:35:03] <Rolf> nerf also killed my
ion plane
L764[15:35:48] <mischief> placing wheels
is.. hard.
L765[15:37:05] <Gasher> nerf?
L766[15:37:26] <Rolf> yeah imange gun
changed to nerf gun
L767[15:37:27] <Gasher> i recall ion
angines having lower thrust
L768[15:37:45] <Gasher> damn, i know the
word - i just don't remember when that happened
L769[15:37:52] <Rolf> ahh yeah thats why
it used to be a challenge, to fly ion engine plane to other
base
L770[15:37:55] <Gasher> ions used to have
like 1/10th of thrust
L771[15:38:00] <Gasher> ah
L772[15:38:01] <Rolf> my ion plane cant
even drive on land now.
L773[15:38:13] <Gasher> you mean when they
made it almost useless in atmosphere
L774[15:38:20] <Rolf> I think its due to
more realistic in air
L775[15:38:24] <Rolf> yeah
L776[15:38:42] <Gasher> and i remember
when their thrust was much less and i had ion rover on Mun - before
powered wheels
L777[15:38:51] <mischief> how's this for a
car
L779[15:39:03] <Gasher> bad
L780[15:39:09] <mischief> :c
L781[15:39:12] <Gasher> needs wider
base
L782[15:39:17] <Rolf> mischief: heres a
trick for you :) have a detchable rover
L783[15:39:21] <Gasher> also why asking,
just test it
L784[15:39:27] <Rolf> get out, sit on
rover, then detch
L785[15:39:33] <Rolf> drive around with
very light car
L786[15:40:11] <Rolf> thats how I did ion
plane also, it used very light chair, I used one of those normal
pilot cockpot items, but disconnected it and went around
L787[15:42:24] <mischief> dont have
it
L788[15:42:37] <Rolf> dont have light
chair?
L789[15:42:44] <mischief> no?
L790[15:42:48] <Rolf> forgot what proper
name it is
L791[15:42:57] <Rolf> looks like lawn
chair with controls lol
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L793[15:50:26] <mischief> i dont think i
can make a useable car with the parts i have..
L794[15:50:39] <Rolf> get more then with
science and all :)
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L797[15:55:23] <mischief> probably have
more luck with reaction wheels than these little probe
wheels..
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suicide camera
L801[16:03:26] <Fluburtur> gonna put it in
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you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member
Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard
https://bryanostergaard.com/
L809[16:18:20] <Ragnor> Hey, I thought you
guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member
Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard
https://bryanostergaard.com/
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https://bryanostergaard.com/
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https://bryanostergaard.com/
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https://bryanostergaard.com/
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https://bryanostergaard.com/
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https://bryanostergaard.com/
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https://bryanostergaard.com/
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Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard
https://bryanostergaard.com/
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L864[16:26:04] <UmbralRaptop>
aaaaaaa
L865[16:26:30] <Zarthus> bbbbbbbbbb
L866[16:28:10] <UmbralRaptop> They're all
gone, it looks like.
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L868[16:28:33] <mr_flea> UmbralRaptop:
they'll be back, this is the 3rd provider they've abused
today
L869[16:28:44] <UmbralRaptop> Blarg
L870[16:31:14] *** UmbralRaptop sets mode:
+r
L871[16:31:52] *** UmbralRaptop sets mode:
-r
L872[16:32:05] <UmbralRaptop> Feh
L873[16:33:32] <Zarthus> +q $~a is the
same
L874[16:33:36] <Zarthus> just allows
people to still join
L875[16:33:54] <Zarthus> granted: it's
weakness is the error message being vaguer
L876[16:35:00] *** UmbralRaptop sets mode:
+r
L877[16:35:14] *** UmbralRaptop sets mode: -q
$~a
L878[16:35:36] <UmbralRaptop> Well, this
way normal users should be able to talk?
L879[16:35:46] *
UmbralRaptop pokes Fluburtur
L880[16:35:51] <Fluburtur> boop
L881[16:35:56] <Fluburtur> wew it works
again
L882[16:37:29] <Fluburtur> anyways, is
time to bed now
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L885[16:43:49] <sandbox> sigh, had them
elsewhere for the past few hours
L886[16:44:27] <Zarthus> sometimes life
gives you lemons
L887[16:44:31] <Zarthus> sometimes they
give you a bunch of EC2
L888[16:46:21] <UmbralRaptop> Amazon
Lemon: a multiplatform mass notification service
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L890[16:48:20] <Eddi|zuHause> what's the
meaning of "$~a"?
L891[16:48:44] <UmbralRaptop> All
users
L892[16:49:11] <Eddi|zuHause> never seen
that kind of placeholder before
L893[16:49:22] <UmbralRaptop> I don't
think I have a good feel for IRC regexes.
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L895[16:52:11] <Zarthus> it's not a regex,
it's an extban
L896[16:52:13] <Zarthus> /quote help
extban
L897[16:52:20] <Zarthus> it means all
users without account
L898[16:52:25] <Zarthus> $a is all users
with account, the ~ negates it.
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L901[17:03:03] <Eddi|zuHause> so now
people without account can talk, but not (re)join?
L902[17:04:05] <UmbralRaptop> Yeah
L903[17:04:19] <UmbralRaptop> Register
with nickserv, yo
L904[17:05:13] <Zarthus> or never
disconnect
L905[17:05:15] <Zarthus> pick your poison
:')
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L909[17:28:36] <sandbox> I'm out
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L911[17:29:06] <Eddi|zuHause> except this
network seems to drop my connection randomly every few days
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L914[17:46:48] <Zarthus> Eddi|zuHause:
based on you being from germany, I would blame their backbone
rather than ours ;P
L915[17:46:57] <Zarthus> though it doesn't
help you're connected to an australian server.
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L917[18:20:38] <Eddi|zuHause> it's not
like i did anything to choose which server to join
L918[18:21:16] <Eddi|zuHause> if the
network has a silly loadbalancer...
L919[18:21:53] <Zarthus> the loadbalancer
isn't silly, it's not really thinking at all :P
L920[18:21:55] <Eddi|zuHause> and if it
were backbone-related, it would probably hit more than one
network?
L921[18:22:32] <Zarthus> theoretically, it
is, if it fails on multiple esper servers :P
L922[18:22:47] <Zarthus> because they come
from different providers and locations
L923[18:23:05] <Zarthus> but yeah, i'd
expect it to fail on other networks as well
L924[18:23:32] <Zarthus> we did have some
servers dropping users a week or so ago
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L934[19:42:32] <Draconiator> Heh I bought
some coffee today and dumped it into a bigger coffee container, and
apparently a little bit of coffee got left over in it, so when I
put a water bug in the now empty jar, it made this REALLY diluted
coffee...but the bug is like on drugs right now lol
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L938[21:00:36] <UmbralRaptop> Well,
caffeine *is* am insecticide…
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L941[21:05:52] <JVFoxy> ok so.. nick
change. I hear been some trouble a brewing...
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L943[21:06:46] <JVFoxy> #lobby
L944[21:07:06] <mr_flea> JVFoxy: please
use /join instead of clicking channel names
L945[21:07:17] <JVFoxy> oh lol.. whoops,
sorry.. that aside, hope everyone's alright
L946[21:07:36] <JVFoxy> ya.. just derped,
my bad. Been a bit of a strange day
L947[21:09:06] <JVFoxy> old hand at IRC..
maybe a bit /too/ old... :\
L948[21:10:04] <mr_flea> np
L949[21:10:25] <mr_flea> it's been a bad
day in IRC-land...
L950[21:18:41] <Dman979> sez who?
L951[21:21:09] <UmbralRaptop> Spammers
still at it?
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L953[21:24:14] <JVFoxy> no idea.. just
that I couldn't get into the channel unless I finally registered a
few moments back
L954[21:27:43] <UmbralRaptop> Yeah, this
channel has been +r for the past 8? hours.
L955[21:31:52] <JVFoxy> ah... was up 1am
PST... crashed about 11am.. woke up again 5pm. Didn't try to get on
till just a little bit ago
L956[21:32:36] <JVFoxy> I made a KSP
recording but was having troubles re-encoding the MP4...
>.<
L957[21:36:05] <JVFoxy> I wanted to find
out what happened, noticed a few other channels closed up
too...
L958[21:36:22] <mr_flea> UmbralRaptop:
over 2000 unique AWS IPs banned so far, busy working on requiring
nickserv accounts for all AWS connections...
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L960[21:39:10] <UmbralRaptop> wow
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L962[21:44:25] <JVFoxy> sorry.. AWS?
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L966[22:07:26] <UmbralRaptop> Amazon Web
Services
L967[22:07:47] <JVFoxy> oh rwar..
Amazon..
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L971[22:47:20] <Draconiator> if Nintendo
goes after archive.org, wow that is going to be a
clicktercluck.
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L973[22:49:58] <JVFoxy> eh... I remember
when they were going after people who so much as youtubed gameplays
of their stuff. :\
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L976[23:05:50] <Draconiator> Technically,
if you buy s game from a thrift store...that's piracy right? the
money isn't going directly to the company but to the owners of said
thrift store.
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