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L23[02:07:23] <Rokker> god sammit china https://twitter.com/SCMP_News/status/1014562736385257475?s=09

L24[02:07:24] <kmath> <✔SCMP_News> This Chinese village was rocked by a massive explosion — caused by falling space debris. https://t.co/HMKmDL7ZNR

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L26[02:08:36] <Gasher[work]> Rokker, you mean it was rocket ?

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L28[02:09:40] <Rokker> Gasher[work]: why cant they launch from reasonable locations

L29[02:09:56] <petti> upper stage blowing up fully fueled?

L30[02:10:08] <Gasher[work]> because US pacific fleet? :D

L31[02:10:29] <Gasher[work]> petti, i guess fully fueled would have been much larger

L32[02:10:36] <Rokker> petti: nope, first stage reserve fuel

L33[02:10:43] <Rokker> this is standard chinese practice

L34[02:13:28] <petti> yeah, makes more sense

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L37[02:19:46] <JCB> um.. derp

L38[02:20:22] <JCB> mean while I'm sitting here testing quad jet powered flying cans for landing on mountains back behind the KSC

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L41[02:28:04] <JCB> ok.. that went a lot better than I expected... very soft landing

L42[02:29:40] <JCB> lol... nearly 17.2k feet up and it says, space suit isn't really needed.... umm.. perhaps not but you'd still wanna be able to breat ;P

L43[02:29:49] <JCB> *breath

L44[02:30:27] <darsie> What measures altitude in feet?

L45[02:30:37] <JCB> I converted... 5224meters to feet

L46[02:30:42] <darsie> ok

L47[02:31:00] <JCB> its not the 'k2' peak behind KSC... just a spot nearby that was reasonably flat

L48[02:32:31] <JCB> mind you.. how the heck does that tree on the k2 peak even survive? I can see it from my landing spot

L49[02:33:15] <darsie> pics or it didn't happen.

L50[02:34:21] <JCB> https://imgur.com/a/CbSZXKm

L51[02:34:25] <JCB> was working on it

L52[02:34:33] <JCB> didn't realize imgur changed things up

L53[02:35:33] <Althego> no picture

L54[02:35:44] <Althego> most of aviation measures altitude in feet

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L56[02:36:22] <JCB> stupid things still uploading..

L57[02:36:30] <JCB> ok there done..

L58[02:36:33] <JCB> sorry about that.

L59[02:37:44] <JCB> ya most aviation... they still measure mountain peaks here in Canada in meters though.

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L61[02:40:13] <darsie> still? Will they change to feet?

L62[02:44:17] <Gasher[work]> hm flight echelons were changed to feet here to be the same as what they use all around the world

L63[02:47:07] <JCB> we use km up here... doubt will change.

L64[02:47:21] <JCB> though... my ultralight stuff uses mph for air speed...

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L66[02:48:05] <JCB> lol...

L67[02:48:13] <JCB> ok so flew over to 'the tree'.....

L68[02:48:39] <JCB> added pic to https://imgur.com/a/CbSZXKm

L69[02:48:59] <darsie> wow, trees in KSP :)

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L71[02:49:40] <JCB> big trees...

L72[02:49:55] <JCB> adding 3rd pic.. give me a moment. give you a sense of scale... also this one ended up on edge of cliff

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L74[02:51:50] <JCB> ok there done uploading.. now 3 pics

L75[02:52:09] <JCB> just temp... till I go. I was mostly messing around with jet powered hopper type craft

L76[02:53:08] <darsie> I see two

L77[02:53:33] <darsie> now three

L78[02:54:02] <darsie> damn, I tried to tilt the pic :)

L79[02:55:36] <darsie> Ohh wow, now I found the Kerbal under the tree. Really big tree.

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L81[02:57:14] <darsie> Is that KSC in the background?

L82[02:59:27] <JCB> ya... I wanted to show where it was roughtly

L83[02:59:34] <JCB> flying back home now

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L105[05:32:18] <Althego> https://twitter.com/harinezumi_pics/status/1014782918672056320

L106[05:32:18] <kmath> <harinezumi_pics> ※お出かけ前は必ず靴の中をご確認ください。 https://t.co/BoslmUxaTC

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L114[06:03:22] <Epi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kfmnjrKmPY oh nice, I did'nt know ion engines were in use

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L172[09:49:00] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xryd9cC8ZWU

L173[09:49:01] <kmath> YouTube - First Ever Picture of a Baby Planet!

L174[09:49:20] <Althego> btw where is my event horizon picture?

L175[09:50:23] <Raybih> tauroctony

L176[09:57:15] <UmbralRaptop> direct imaging?

L177[09:58:14] <Althego> through some process described in the video, but it was done by a ground based telescope with light

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L184[11:06:58] <UmbralRaptop> Was the instrument GPIE or SPHERE?

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L186[11:10:43] <Althego> sphere

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L189[11:28:03] <UmbralRaptop> Makes sense.

L190[11:45:52] <Kalpa> Can I flood?

L191[11:45:58] <Kalpa> *May* I flood.

L192[11:46:50] <Kalpa> UmbralRaptop: I assume you no longer even have a desktop computer?

L193[11:47:38] <UmbralRaptop> Kalpa: well, a working desktop. There are some laptops.

L194[11:47:55] <Ezko> hyvää iltaa Kalpa

L195[11:48:03] <Kalpa> Ezko my man

L196[11:48:13] <Kalpa> How are you doing now that the end of the world has come to the taxi business?

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L203[11:56:00] <Ezko> Kalpa: well, i've driven every day since monday and hadn't had the taxi sign on the roof yet

L204[12:00:23] <UmbralRaptop> Althego: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wuemS6MudBG4P65dA

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L219[13:28:30] <Neal1> how was the date of May 1st, 2013 chosen for the making history expansion?

L220[13:28:50] <Neal1> was the EULA changed to allow DLC that day?

L221[13:34:37] <Judge_Dedd> Hi Neal1

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L223[13:34:50] <Judge_Dedd> OK, so here's the story behind that...

L224[13:35:23] <Judge_Dedd> Back in 2013 (and earlier), the site used to say "Buy KSP and get all future updates for free"

L225[13:35:55] <Judge_Dedd> Quite a lot of people took that to mean "Also future versions and anything else we might add at some point"

L226[13:36:29] <sandbox> I remember it well

L227[13:36:33] <Judge_Dedd> But what the devs actually meant was "Of course you won't be stuck with the Beta release - you get updates to the base game as well"

L228[13:37:26] <Judge_Dedd> However, in good faith, the devs decided: "OK, since that's what you honestly thought when buying it, it's only fair that we give you what you thought you were paying for. We're nice guys."

L229[13:38:46] <Judge_Dedd> Of course, since that wasn't the original attention, the wording was changed, but they said something like: "Just to be even fairer, we'll keep that "all updates forever for free" offer open until the end of the month"

L230[13:38:59] <Judge_Dedd> And so, Neal, that's how the date was chosen.

L231[13:39:44] <Judge_Dedd> Neal, Here's the original post explaining it back in the day: http://kerbaldevteam.tumblr.com/post/47730955705/expansions-dlc-and-the-future-of-ksp

L232[13:40:26] <Neal> I think I remember that now actually, luckily I bought it in march 2013

L233[13:40:42] <Judge_Dedd> An actual quote from that article: "So given that this was a point of confusion, and that we believe that no matter what, a promise is a promise, we are including Expansions in what you can expect to get for free if you have already bought the game. Also, for those considering purchasing the game, we will maintain this promise for all purchases made until the end of this month (April, 2013)."

L234[13:41:14] <Judge_Dedd> It's that blog post that pushed my to buy the game :P

L235[13:41:22] <Judge_Dedd> me*

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L238[13:42:38] <Neal> I had just gotten a new computer that was able to run it around then

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L240[13:42:47] <Neal> previously I was on an integrated gpu from 2003

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L242[13:43:32] <Judge_Dedd> I was on a GPU but my new machine is on integrated and it knocks the socks off the old one

L243[13:43:53] <Judge_Dedd> But yeah, 2003 integrated was OK for 2D and not much else

L244[13:44:22] <Neal> it did load KSP... vessels were completely black though

L245[13:44:33] <Neal> I think in .13 it just immediately put you in the VAB

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L247[13:46:56] <Neal> I'm still holding out upgrading my laptop until a good ryzen ultrabook comes out

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L249[13:48:29] <Judge_Dedd> Neal, my i5-6200U doesn't struggle at all with KSP (up to large but not crazy part numbers)

L250[13:49:15] <Judge_Dedd> HD Graphics 520 is just enough to get a green clock on the lowest screen resolution, but normal graphics settings

L251[13:49:31] <Judge_Dedd> So actually, it's my GPU that lets me down, but only just

L252[13:49:47] <Neal> it's not really KSP I'm worried about, I try to keep gaming to my desktop (r7 1700, 980ti). I just want a 13" with a lot of core/threads

L253[13:50:09] <Judge_Dedd> And only because of ocean lag

L254[13:50:18] <Judge_Dedd> Ah

L255[13:50:31] <Neal> can that be turned off? whenever I see the ocean I lose a lot of frames

L256[13:50:55] <Judge_Dedd> It's caused by the ocean actually being a second planet clipped into Kerbin

L257[13:51:06] <Neal> oh wow

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L259[13:52:09] <Judge_Dedd> Neal, it can be helped from space, but AFAIK, ocean lag will still be there when you're on the planet

L260[13:52:40] <Judge_Dedd> Unfortunately, KSP was a bit of a botch job in the beginning :)

L261[13:52:40] <Neal> it causes a lot of stuttering on my end

L262[13:53:15] <Neal> I can hear my gpu's coil whine change when the ocean is in view

L263[13:53:25] <Judge_Dedd> Neal, do you get that problem from orbit as well?

L264[13:53:51] <Neal> everywhere really, the ocean makes it worse though

L265[13:54:10] <Judge_Dedd> This should help, then: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/161804-13-very-small-fix-lag-when-looking-at-the-ocean-patch/

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L267[13:56:19] <Judge_Dedd> I've not looked into Kopernicus, but I wonder if it's possible to make a replacement for Kerbin that fixes stuff like that

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L270[14:02:29] <Neal> I'm not super familiar with the convert-o-trons, how many radiator panels should I use?

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L276[14:08:22] <Judge_Dedd> Sorry, no idea

L277[14:10:24] <darsie> Neal: Test on the ground pad.

L278[14:10:28] <darsie> launch pad

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L280[14:10:50] <Neal> I was going to launch them separately.. hmm..

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L288[14:37:22] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjsTzWXPBLM

L289[14:37:23] <kmath> YouTube - The Dragon Drone - An Innovative Drone From The University of Tokyo

L290[14:37:48] <Fluburtur> https://twitter.com/gabehabash/status/999730711811764224?s=19

L291[14:37:49] <kmath> <gabehabash> Good afternoon here are bobcats who like to be on cactuses https://t.co/KP7tQUuvm0

L292[14:37:49] <Althego> this is just awesome

L293[14:38:02] <Althego> it is a flying snake drone

L294[14:38:06] <Althego> what can be better than this

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L306[15:13:10] <Neal> two flying snake drones Althego

L307[15:13:55] <sandbox> I was just reminded of this amazing video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU5fdz3WrC0&list=PL65C4B9D6FC4D8E4F&index=26&t=0s

L308[15:13:56] <kmath> YouTube - Cat Tales - Hoth

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L382[23:38:49] <Althego> heh typed /exit instead of /wc twice :)

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