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L1[00:00:31] <mabus> i thought it was a plane or something but it didnt move
L2[00:01:32] <mabus> i might need to dig out the telescope from storage
L3[00:02:38] <mabus> could be saturn, its supposed to be visible all month
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L5[00:11:38] <UmbralRaptor> South sounds like Antares.
L6[00:11:53] <UmbralRaptor> (well, south + red)
L7[00:12:51] <mabus> how does one look it up?
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L10[00:14:07] <UmbralRaptor> Generally with some star charts, a planisphere, or an app like Sky Map (on Android)
L11[00:14:27] <UmbralRaptor> Where are you, roughly?
L12[00:14:54] <mabus> nova scotia
L13[00:17:15] <UmbralRaptor> hm. Mars should be up. Probably near max altitude.
L14[00:18:35] <Neal> double mun encounter all the way across the skyyy
L15[00:18:40] <Neal> https://i.imgur.com/FiRwjkE.png
L16[00:19:08] <Neal> and it the next orbit is almost exactly the same
L17[00:20:24] <Neal> it just occurred to me that Nova Scotia is latin for new scotland..
L18[00:20:41] <mabus> it is
L19[00:21:28] <Neal> always thought it was french because it's by french canada and also because I never gave it more than 10 seconds of thought at a time
L20[00:22:36] <UmbralRaptor> unrelated astronomy https://asunow.asu.edu/20180625-discoveries-are-we-alone-asu-scientists-developing-strategies-search-life-exoplanets
L21[00:23:10] <mabus> we deported our french in 1755
L22[00:23:20] <mabus> you're welcome for louisiana
L23[00:23:31] <cringe> ISS Urine Tank Level: 11%
L24[00:24:02] <Althego> heh i cant believe this, it's business time still wasnt lanuched
L25[00:24:50] <UmbralRaptor> mabus: Yay, jambalaya.
L26[00:25:00] <cringe> gumbo
L27[00:25:10] <cringe> poboy
L28[00:25:18] <cringe> mmhmm
L29[00:25:20] <UmbralRaptor> also yay for those
L30[00:26:01] <cringe> absinthe
L31[00:26:17] <cringe> thx
L32[00:27:15] <mabus> thats probably the 1 place in usa that i havent been but want to go to most
L33[00:27:51] <mabus> food, history, mardi gras. something for everyone.
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L35[00:33:37] <mabus> https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/night/ ok this seems to be the best resource i have found so far
L36[00:37:09] <mabus> still not sure how to be sure
L37[00:39:26] <mabus> no compass
L38[00:39:44] <UmbralRaptor> fourmilab.ch/YourSky
L39[00:39:47] <UmbralRaptor> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.stardroid
L40[00:40:11] <mabus> no smartphone right now
L41[00:40:18] <Althego> i could never get this to work on the s7
L42[00:40:24] <UmbralRaptor> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.planetdroid
L43[00:40:31] <UmbralRaptor> blarg
L44[00:40:31] <Althego> or rather it works but the compass is always off whatever i do
L45[00:42:15] <mabus> mars, thanks the fourmilab map is pretty neat
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L47[00:43:26] <UmbralRaptor> yay
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L49[00:48:09] <Althego> any monsters around?
L50[00:49:49] <UmbralRaptor> Just a few cacodemons and barons.
L51[00:51:01] <Neal> did we recommend Stellarium?
L52[00:51:08] <Neal> free, open source, cross-platform
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L54[00:55:43] <mabus> i'll take it, thanks
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L56[00:56:39] <UmbralRaptor> We did not, but we should.
L57[01:00:25] <mabus> ill have to dig out the telescope to get a better view tomorrow
L58[01:01:38] <mabus> this looks infinitely easier than using my telescope computer
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L72[03:21:34] <Eddi|zuHause> i was in an observatory in the late 90s, and back then they used a computer from the 80s and a software equally as old to align their telescope
L73[03:21:43] <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't be surprised if they still used that
L74[03:32:09] <Althego> hehe
L75[03:32:15] <Althego> forefront of science
L76[03:32:28] <Truga> well
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L78[03:32:40] <Truga> 80s computers will probably never get old and die
L79[03:32:55] <Truga> and software that runs on such a computer has less bugs by definition
L80[03:33:03] <Truga> since it has to be simpler to even load
L81[03:34:15] <Eddi|zuHause> well, but even space maps will need to be maintained and updated
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L95[05:39:20] <taniwha> that's just data
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L99[06:01:39] <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, yeah, but in some weird binary format, and where do you get a DD-format 3½" disk from if your existing ones break?
L100[06:06:16] <taniwha> go back to audio tapes ;)
L101[06:08:20] <petti> plenty of floppies flosting around still
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L103[06:17:08] <darsie> Eddi|zuHause: I can give you one.
L104[06:18:15] <darsie> some secret service allegedly uses them so it's more obvious if someone steals data, like in the movie Red Sparrow.
L105[06:32:19] <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, yeah, you don't want anyone sticking random USB sticks into any "secret" computer :p
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L107[06:42:21] <Truga> never not epoxy all the usb ports
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L109[06:57:55] <Azander> heh. Floppies. 8", 5.25". and 3.5". I still have disks, and drives for all of them
L110[06:58:15] <Truga> i trashed all that junk a couple years ago
L111[06:58:17] <Truga> :v
L112[06:58:44] <Azander> I keep 2 of each drive. Saved a local business using them about 2 years ago
L113[06:59:15] <Eddi|zuHause> i have a few drives, but none attached to any computer i'm actually using
L114[06:59:27] <Azander> yeah, mine are in a box too
L115[07:00:05] <darsie> How do you connect them to contemporary mainboards? I doubt they have a floppy connector.
L116[07:00:48] <Azander> IDE to USB adapter
L117[07:00:51] <Eddi|zuHause> i think they do... at least 5 years ago
L118[07:01:10] <Azander> that and I keep a few really old machines around
L119[07:01:19] <darsie> floppy is IDE?
L120[07:01:26] <Eddi|zuHause> not really
L121[07:01:27] <Azander> a form of, yes
L122[07:01:39] <Azander> not the same connector though
L123[07:02:09] <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't seen a floppy to usb connector, but i assume they exist
L124[07:02:24] <Azander> yep
L125[07:03:18] <Azander> a lot of older milling and cutting machines still exist on production floors. Somebody has to maintain them :)
L126[07:06:06] <Gasher[work]> lol
L127[07:06:36] <Gasher[work]> there was an older laser cutter here which required floppy to put programs in it
L128[07:08:33] <Gasher[work]> like, it had its own desktop PC which run DOS which did not support mouse so the easiest way to make a program for it was to make it in some other program, copy it to floppy and transfer it
L129[07:08:44] <Gasher[work]> you can run it with only a keyboard
L130[07:08:54] <Azander> yep, a lot of that still goes on
L131[07:09:14] <Azander> I keep some really old hardware and software around for such things
L132[07:09:33] <Gasher[work]> add the malfunctioning solenoid valve which required the operator to hit the place where it was to engage it to lower the cutter before it starts
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L135[07:44:05] <GlassYuri> https://imgur.com/gallery/nccq30S
L136[07:45:10] <Gasher[work]> GlassYuri, lol
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L138[07:48:32] <Althego> Éb4
L139[07:49:03] <Eddi|zuHause> is that a musical note?
L140[07:58:45] <Althego> no it was supposed to be switch to buffer 4
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L156[09:17:56] <Althego> hah, i found the showdown of the century: flat earth vs geocentrism
L157[09:18:31] <Althego> two negatives dont make it right, but make it hilarious
L158[09:20:33] <ve2dmn> how about hollow earth?
L159[09:21:09] <Truga> volcanos are a ruse
L160[09:21:39] <Truga> and as we all know, one man's ruse is another man's keikaku
L161[09:21:55] <Althego> there must be some, but i havent seen that kind of debate yet
L162[09:22:43] <ve2dmn> But you would be suprised: the type of people who believe in flat earth is ALSO the type of people who believe in other things
L163[09:23:15] <Truga> flat earth owns
L164[09:23:18] <ve2dmn> Typically they believe that they have been told a lie
L165[09:23:31] <Truga> to be fair though
L166[09:23:40] <Truga> truth is always in the middle so obviously earth is a cube
L167[09:23:44] <ve2dmn> And will prefer to believe any nonsense rather then the 'official story'
L168[09:23:59] <Althego> cube? maybe polygonal spheroid :)
L169[09:24:02] <ve2dmn> Cube? A TIMECube?
L170[09:24:06] <Althego> hehehe
L171[09:24:12] <Althego> that website is a word salad
L172[09:24:20] <Truga> haha
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L175[09:25:12] <ve2dmn> I'm sure you could come up with a Timecube-website-generator
L176[09:25:19] <Althego> they have
L177[09:25:28] <Althego> and it was exactly the same as the timecube
L178[09:25:46] <Truga> the babel library?
L179[09:26:21] <Truga> sorry library of babel
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L200[10:21:30] <ve2dmn> When i think I've seen everything, the internet always seem to get weirder
L201[10:27:17] * UmbralRaptor suggests Francis Dec, Archimedes Pluto nium, or Gregorio Baquero next?
L202[10:27:54] <UmbralRaptor> Actually the last one is too close to normal. How about Gabor Feket?
L203[10:32:05] <ve2dmn> It's a bit like entropy... there is no end to how much there can be... and when you think there can be no more, there is always more
L204[10:33:46] <UmbralRaptor> On a less disturbing note, what about Markov chains generating recipes, dnd monsters, etc?
L205[10:34:11] <Truga> i once put fourth stimpire and john galt speech into a markov bot and that owned
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L208[10:35:12] <UmbralRaptor> fourth stimpire
L209[10:35:22] <Truga> it's a star citizen thing
L210[10:35:24] <Truga> don't google it
L211[10:35:32] <Truga> it's terrible and horrible and bad
L212[10:35:40] <UmbralRaptor> ah
L213[10:35:49] <Truga> (much like the john galt speech)
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L215[10:36:56] <UmbralRaptor> snarxiv.org is fun
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L217[10:38:18] <APlayer> UmbralRaptor: Huh?
L218[10:38:19] <ve2dmn> Did you know that in 1956, 0% of Canadian parents refuse to give thier child the Polio Vacination out of fear of Autism?
L219[10:38:40] <Truga> sounds about right
L220[10:39:11] <UmbralRaptor> APlayer: silly bot generated abstracts.
L221[10:39:43] <ve2dmn> I like http://inspirobot.me/
L222[10:40:33] <Althego> not even copiable
L223[10:40:54] <Althego> btw it said to me: "whenever you seek a life, think of what it means to behave despicable"
L224[10:41:12] <ve2dmn> you mean, like this? http://generated.inspirobot.me/081/aXm9917xjU.jpg
L225[10:41:25] <ve2dmn> or this http://generated.inspirobot.me/080/aXm5124xjU.jpg ?
L226[10:41:42] <Althego> i dont need the image
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L229[10:41:50] <ve2dmn> and... best one so far: http://generated.inspirobot.me/080/aXm7787xjU.jpg
L230[10:41:53] <Althego> i want the text
L231[10:41:58] <Althego> yet it is that what it cant do
L232[10:42:07] <Truga> https://i.imgur.com/UjOeuhC.jpg
L233[10:42:09] <Truga> lmao
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L235[10:43:21] <JCB> ....
L236[10:43:41] <Althego> coal is still around
L237[10:44:03] <JCB> friend pointed out an ad on our transit system some years back... from power company, "Internet - Your welcome"
L238[10:44:07] <Truga> yes, sadly coal is
L239[10:44:21] <Althego> your? intentionally?
L240[10:45:20] <ve2dmn> I would have found another item for the periodic table instead of coal...
L241[10:45:27] <ve2dmn> from*
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L243[10:46:06] <Althego> radioactive strontium?
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L247[10:47:02] <JCB> ... hydrogen...
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L250[10:51:00] <ConductorCat> :3
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L252[10:52:54] <JCB> maybe some oxygen thrown in... but who's to say
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L269[11:37:20] <Guest35917> Hello
L270[11:37:20] <Mod9000> Hello, Guest35917
L271[11:37:29] <Guest35917> Can you help me?
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L274[11:39:13] <Althego> heh
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L277[11:39:49] <Fluburtur> bot cannot help
L278[11:40:49] <UmbralRaptor> Not much help possible with no time or info.
L279[11:42:53] <JCB> no patients?
L280[11:43:28] <JCB> ... doh.. I mean patience
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L298[12:39:26] <Eddi|zuHause> <UmbralRaptor> On a less disturbing note, what about Markov chains generating recipes, dnd monsters, etc? <-- just like procedural world generation, it just feels bland after the first few times
L299[12:47:07] <APlayer> https://i.imgur.com/HdFj8tY.jpg
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L303[12:47:55] <ve2dmn> Any news on the NZ launch in 6h? is it gonna happen?
L304[12:47:56] <JCB> Thus a frog or two feasted well that night...
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L311[13:04:59] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/461230362689929216/20180626200244_1.jpg
L312[13:06:04] <legion> close call!
L313[13:06:45] <Fluburtur> it actually hit my tail
L314[13:07:01] <Fluburtur> that's like the only proper way to kill a long fock wulfe
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L316[13:08:21] <Neal> https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/715283092358351192/C5F0BF1CF6B1C5EDBAED6C9EC36FEBE8A418657F/
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L320[13:13:04] <Eddi|zuHause> never trust anyone who has "friendly" in their name :p
L321[13:19:50] <Fluburtur> heh
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L326[13:35:52] <Fluburtur> I need to research two planes and then I can start researching the jets
L327[13:36:01] <Fluburtur> Rokker the vautout will be mine
L328[13:36:05] <Fluburtur> vautour*
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L335[14:02:52] <ve2dmn> can someone explain to me what this actually does besides play old Atari games? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/atari-vcs-game-stream-connect-like-never-before-family-computers#/
L336[14:05:26] <Althego> nothing?
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L341[14:17:09] <APlayer> https://imgur.com/gallery/nccq30S
L342[14:17:34] <Eddi|zuHause> so it's essentially a steam console with an atari branding?
L343[14:17:56] <Eddi|zuHause> APlayer: repost!
L344[14:20:07] <APlayer> Fine quality and new to me, though ;-)
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L347[14:27:30] <ve2dmn> that idiegogo project sounds like Ouya 2.1b-patch4
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L349[14:31:55] <Gasher> APlayer, well that just means that people here have similar mindsets
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L352[14:42:54] <UmbralRaptor> https://twitter.com/astrotweeps/status/1011639402085281793
L353[14:42:54] <kmath> <astrotweeps> What Trojan targets are we exploring? We will have encounters with Eurybates, Polymele, Leucus and Orus in the L4 s… https://t.co/wQf1gOvAjS
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L360[15:02:25] <Rokker> Fluburtur: we. fatour
L361[15:02:31] <Rokker> ew*
L362[15:03:55] <Althego> what does it mean "What Trojan targets are we exploring?" did somebody send some probe there?
L363[15:04:23] <Althego> and that electron should just launch this time
L364[15:04:59] <ve2dmn> Althego: is it confirmed or not?
L365[15:05:38] <Althego> confirmed what?
L366[15:06:09] <ve2dmn> Electron launch
L367[15:06:19] <Althego> it is still counting down
L368[15:06:23] <Althego> more than 4 hours
L369[15:07:24] <Althego> looks so kerbal https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1011361522897940480
L370[15:07:24] <kmath> <✔RocketLab> T-1 day. #ItsBusinessTime ⏎ Another stunning snap at Launch Complex 1 from @Kieran__Fanning https://t.co/XNwMFzMYuO
L371[15:08:26] <Althego> tomorrow i am still without mobile net. but after that, i am unlimited!
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L374[15:21:22] <Althego> hehe scott breaking your craft in video, that is a badge
L375[15:21:37] <Althego> e used some from the new steam integrated whatever feature
L376[15:22:06] <ve2dmn> The Heli?
L377[15:23:10] <Althego> and some reentry later
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L381[15:42:40] <Fluburtur> I should get myself a SDR
L382[15:42:53] <Fluburtur> only problem, those don't go to very high frequencies
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L385[15:50:03] <Rokker> Fluburtur: some people had RC planes at the air show
L386[15:50:13] <Rokker> on the ground tho
L387[15:50:20] <Fluburtur> was it nice ones?
L388[15:50:42] <Rokker> I thought the Fw 190 looked nice
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L390[15:54:01] <Rokker> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DVRlKXBM/20180624_121929.jpg
L391[15:54:09] <Rokker> Fluburtur: ^
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L395[15:54:26] <Fluburtur> looks like a foamy
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L397[15:54:36] <Rokker> it is
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L399[15:54:48] <Fluburtur> those are nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiFZ0E12TV8
L400[15:54:49] <kmath> YouTube - Rc FW-190 with Moki 250cc Radial Engine
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L402[15:54:55] <Rokker> Fluburtur: there were some other ones with like real combustion engines and stuff too
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L443[18:43:43] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
L444[18:54:20] <UmbralRaptor> https://twitter.com/jtuttlekeane/status/1011748098907955201
L445[18:54:21] <kmath> <jtuttlekeane> @PlanetaryGao needed more rainbows to keep it upbeat https://t.co/bQWORDHimD
L446[19:04:11] <UmbralRaptor> On am unrelated note, Mars is about a month away from the biggest it'll be until 2035. http://spider.seds.org/spider/Mars/marsopps.html
L447[19:04:15] <UmbralRaptor> *an
L448[19:05:05] <Medu> Does that even result in a difference to the naked eye?
L449[19:05:39] <Supernovy> Probably not.
L450[19:05:59] <Supernovy> But if you have a pair of binoculars or something, maybe?
L451[19:06:15] <UmbralRaptor> Brightness, yes. Telescopic gestures also.
L452[19:06:29] * UmbralRaptor glares at the dust storm.
L453[19:06:41] <UmbralRaptor> … s/gestures/features/
L454[19:07:01] <Medu> Mkay.
L455[19:07:24] <Supernovy> Telescopic gestures sounds like using your hands to talk to someone very far away.
L456[19:08:04] <Supercheese> So, like Italian, then
L457[19:08:15] <UmbralRaptor> Go go gadget arms and eyes!
L458[19:17:51] * UmbralRaptor ponders (mis)using the campus telescope in late July.
L459[19:21:24] <UmbralRaptor> https://twitter.com/OSIRISREx/status/1011763875950149632
L460[19:21:25] <kmath> <✔OSIRISREx> Quite a pair, aren't they? ⏎ ⏎ Asteroids Ryugu and Bennu have some definite similarities -- but also some differences… https://t.co/KcquoaT9rp
L461[19:21:27] <Pakaran> evening, gentlemen.
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L463[19:21:52] <Pakaran> To get a sense, where do you start your gravity turn?
L464[19:22:48] <UmbralRaptor> Probably a bit late (100 m/s or 5 km, give or take)
L465[19:28:27] <Pakaran> hmm, I may be using too much thrust on takeoff, then. I usually try for 1.8ish initially.
L466[19:29:25] <Pakaran> (usually using solid boosters designed to light with the first stage, but throttling the first stage back after the first km or two)
L467[19:29:41] <Pakaran> I may do a launch watching the FAR drag statistic.
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L469[19:59:23] <UmbralRaptor> MJ's ΔV tracker is also worth poking at.
L470[19:59:44] <UmbralRaptor> Interview in 6 hours. https://twitter.com/cosmos4u/status/1011774300930674690
L471[19:59:45] <kmath> <cosmos4u> Here is where the @haya2e_jaxa-arrives-at-Ryugu press conference will be streamed in 6 hours:… https://t.co/1qbYrhNBvj
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L515[22:27:28] <TransitBiker> does ksp use lzma files?
L516[22:31:51] <TransitBiker> hello?
L517[22:32:02] <BenjaminK> uhh
L518[22:32:09] <TransitBiker> .lzma
L519[22:32:12] <BenjaminK> what are lzma files?
L520[22:32:39] <TransitBiker> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lempel%E2%80%93Ziv%E2%80%93Markov_chain_algorithm
L521[22:34:10] <TransitBiker> they are used to unpack game files in pc games
L522[22:34:28] <TransitBiker> while keeping disk footprint small
L523[22:34:52] <TransitBiker> minecraft uses .lzma files
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L530[22:58:11] <UmbralRaptor> I think all the compression is normal graphics things like png. not sure if that uses lzma type compression.
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