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L13[01:00:51] <Althego> why do they need to
jam it? they could just turn off the civilian part
L14[01:01:48] <Neal> they could have been
testing some anti-jam device with a crazy overpowered jammer
L15[01:02:16] <Gasher[work]> oh wow, you
can block radio signals! incredible!
L16[01:02:49] <Neal> for the entire state
of california?
L17[01:03:00] <Neal> transmitting from one
location?
L18[01:03:29] <Draconiator> Weird, I have a
"57-in-one" memory card reader, yet the thing has 5 slots
on it (CF, SD, xD, Memorystick, and TransFlash/MicroSD)
L19[01:03:54] <Neal> also you can't block
radio signals, unless you deploy chaff over the entire area... you
can override radio but not effectively block the signal
L20[01:04:50] <Althego> based on the
frquency of gps signals and the range given in the map, calculate
the altitude of the antenna
L21[01:05:11] <Gasher[work]>
"block" is not the correct word here, right
L22[01:05:12] <Neal> probably
airborne
L23[01:05:13] <Althego> (above sea level on
a smooth spherical earth)
L24[01:05:29] <Althego> you can block
signals, by enough metal
L25[01:05:44] <Neal> I don't think it's
feasible to deploy chaff over the entire state
L26[01:05:46] <Althego> but it is rather
hard to put a farady cage that big over an area
L27[01:05:51] <Althego> especially
unnoticed :)
L28[01:06:20] <Neal> that jammer might even
have to be in space when you consider the sierra nevada mountains
are right by China Lake NWS
L29[01:07:06] <Gasher[work]> well it's
definitely not chaff
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L31[01:07:45] <Gasher[work]> plus do they
block GPS or all of the other satellite navigation? i guess the
latter
L32[01:08:37] <Neal> good question
L33[01:08:59] <Neal> if its gps-only it's
probably an on/off switch on the gps satellite transmitter
L34[01:09:58] <Neal> although I don't think
they'd use that considering the russians have their own gps
constellation, it would be pretty stupid for the russians to rely
on american gps signals for military hardware
L35[01:11:49] <Gasher[work]> civilian stuff
usually has support for both
L36[01:12:32] <Gasher[work]> well, if i
remember correctly, newer iphones support GLONASS
L37[01:12:48] <Neal> I remember samsungs
got support for glonass pretty early on
L38[01:13:39] <Althego> there are 3 other
navigation systems working or almost working now, and most new
civilian receivers support all
L39[01:14:51] <Neal> on the topic of gps, I
wonder how secure the military's encrypted GPS /really/ is. it
seems as though you could compromise the entire system by stealing
one receiver...
L40[01:14:53] <Althego> for the jamming to
work it just needs to be winde band enough to cover all
L41[01:15:39] <Althego> if you get the
receiver intact. however procedures of a landing in enemy area
would wipe out all encryption keys
L42[01:16:06] <Althego> including gps, iff,
and voice/data comm
L43[01:17:19] <Neal> I guess it depends how
common those receivers are in the first place. If they're just used
on something like battleships and high tech aircraft, they might
have a chance.
L44[01:17:42] <Neal> if they are in humvees
I'm sure it's already compromised
L45[01:18:43] <Althego> it is just one
button usually
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L47[01:18:53] <Althego> that may even work
without power
L48[01:19:06] <Gasher[work]> Neal, i think
wikipedia article says that military one was reverse engineered in
like 80s
L49[01:19:07] <Althego> for some reason
they call it zeroize
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L51[01:19:42] <Neal> you should see the
effort put into cracking satellite TV smart cards, some guy was
using an electron microscope to read the individual bits off of the
eeprom
L52[01:19:54] <Althego> hehe
L53[01:21:02] <Neal> Althego, suppose
whoever was responsible for that got incapacitated? or was a
spy?
L54[01:22:37] <Neal> apparently the new
smart cards have super tiny traces running though the epoxy
encapsulation where if you touch one it will detect tampering and
erase the keys
L55[01:23:39] <Althego> hehe
L56[01:25:01] <Althego> keys have a
lifetime, after that they are changed anyway
L57[01:25:13] <Neal> for a while they
weren't
L58[01:25:57] <Neal> iirc the lifetime is
<1year now
L60[01:26:14] <kmath> YouTube - Black Hat
DC 2010 - Hacking the Smartcard Chip
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L91[05:28:58] <Eddi|zuHause> <Neal> I
guess it depends how common those receivers are in the first place.
If they're just used on something like battleships and high tech
aircraft, they might have a chance. <-- i imagine you want to
have those in drones and missiles. for humvees it's probably enough
to use the regular gps, unless you want to jam that in the
area
L92[05:30:12] <Eddi|zuHause> but in
general, if you design a "secure" thing, you need to
assume that everything except the encryption keys are known to
everyone else
L93[05:30:40] <Eddi|zuHause> so nothing in
the receiver should be vital to the system staying
"secure"
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L125[09:38:45] <ve2dmn> Good morning
L126[09:39:23] <ve2dmn> Which one among
you speaks german?
L127[09:41:09] <snow> I speak
swampgerman
L128[09:41:22] <snow> what's up?
L129[09:45:55] <ve2dmn> gimme a sec
L131[09:46:12] <ve2dmn> Can you identify
the city this might be in?
L132[09:46:46] <APlayer> No indications of
that
L134[09:48:04] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Are you
visiting Germany, or why?
L135[09:51:38] <APlayer> And I must admit,
their page is pretty well made compared to the average restaurant.
Despite them being a fast food place.
L136[09:52:00] <petti> poutine.. the most
uselessest of national foods :-)
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L138[10:00:41] <ve2dmn> it's not my pic,
and not I'm not going to Germany... I don't have that kind of
money...yet
L139[10:02:11] <petti> I've always liked
trips to Germany, well recommended.
L140[10:03:59] *
APlayer orders a shipping of beer to Canada
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L146[10:16:19] <darsie> ve2dmn: I speak
German.
L147[10:16:50] <ve2dmn> I got my answers,
but thank you
L148[10:22:12] <Mat2ch> now I have to find
out if there's a Frittenwerk nearby :P
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L150[10:22:32] <ve2dmn> ... my work here
is done
L151[10:23:11] <Mat2ch> there really is
one
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L153[10:23:53] <Mat2ch> oh, wow, it's one
of those gentrification stores. :D
L154[10:24:15] <Mat2ch> The street it's in
is the former red light district :D
L155[10:25:18] <Mat2ch> but prices seem to
be ok
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L157[10:26:08] <ve2dmn> They don't have
the proper cheese, but I guess you can't get sqeeky cheese
everywhere
L158[10:29:12] <Mat2ch> squeeky cheese is
the best cheese :D
L159[10:29:28] <Mat2ch> we call it
"grill chese" here and throw it on the grill ;)
L160[10:29:40] <Mat2ch> I love that stuff.
The more squeek, the better
L161[10:30:38] <ve2dmn> You must be
talking about the finnish stuff.... which makes the exact same
sound :D
L162[10:30:57] <petti> we call it
breadcheese, squeaks in the teeth
L163[10:31:08] <ve2dmn> yes !
L164[10:31:12] <petti> great with
cloudberry jam
L165[10:31:24] <ve2dmn> people usually
think I,m nuts!
L166[10:31:44] <petti> well you might be
;)
L167[10:33:13] <ve2dmn> well... I'm not
100% it's the same type of cheese... the ones we got have to be
eaten fresh, like... within 24h
L168[10:33:50] <ve2dmn> Which makes it
impossible to export... and explains why it took that dish so long
to get anywhere
L169[10:34:06] <petti> I don't think it is
the same then, the finnish stuff is cooked brown on the surface a
bit like pancakes
L170[10:34:31] <Mat2ch> but I'm not
talking about brown cooked stuff
L171[10:34:36] <Mat2ch> what I have in
mind is pretty white
L172[10:34:56] <ve2dmn> I'm just happy
someone doesn't think I'm crazy when I talk about cheese that
squeeks
L173[10:35:09] <Mat2ch>
ITSBESTCHEESE
L174[10:35:17] <ve2dmn> ITISREALLY
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L177[10:37:11] <Mat2ch> Halloumi?
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L183[10:44:19] <TheKosmonaut> Halloumi is
the best
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L185[10:46:35] <petti> halloumi is
tasteless.. you need something with it
L186[10:48:40] <Mat2ch> it has to squeek.
That's it. :D
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L188[10:54:31] <petti> try some
leip�juusto
L189[10:54:46] <petti> great source of
protein
L190[10:57:23] <Eddi|zuHause> i think
everyone who likes raw cheese is crazy
L191[10:57:28] <Mat2ch> now I need to try
Lakka
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L193[11:04:45] <petti> yes you do
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L196[11:30:39] <APlayer> Uh-oh, the
Canadians are rising
L197[11:33:52] <petti> could be worse
:)
L198[11:35:03] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, like
they could be destroying the planet by extracting oil sands... oh
wait
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L234[14:09:53] <Rokker> also I went to the
air show yesterday:D
L235[14:09:59] <Fluburtur> nice
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L240[14:30:11] <Supercheese> Collings
Foundation is flying in to our local airport on Saturday
L241[14:30:24] <Supercheese> always a
treat
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L247[15:19:11] <APlayer> Rokker:
"Baguette intensifies"
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L250[15:20:09] <Fluburtur> huh
L252[15:23:13] <Rokker> cancerplane
L253[15:23:22] <Fluburtur> glorious
L254[15:23:25] <Rokker> Fluburtur: it took
them way too long to add mirroring
L255[15:23:32] <Fluburtur> yeah
L256[15:24:12] <Supercheese> Twin baguette
plen
L257[15:25:19] <Fluburtur> this one is a
good zooming plane but the accel and top speed are kinda bad
L258[15:25:25] <Fluburtur> but it can hold
speed for a while after a dive
L259[15:27:13] <Supercheese> Premium
though
L260[15:27:21] <Supercheese>
Pay2Baguette
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L262[15:32:52] <bobloblaw> hey guys
L263[15:33:17] <bobloblaw> Can I ask a
question regarding CKAN?
L264[15:33:39] <APlayer> You may try to.
Not sure if you can, though
L265[15:33:42] <bobloblaw> I
L266[15:34:00] <APlayer> You may try
again. ;-)
L267[15:34:30] <bobloblaw> I'm just trying
to figure out what the dash ("-") under the
"Installed" column indicates?
L268[15:35:24] <APlayer> Humm, I'm afraid
I can't help you here, but if you're patient, someone else might
show up and know the answer.
L269[15:37:05] <bobloblaw> okay, thanks
anyway
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L273[15:44:18] <APlayer> Anyway guys. I'm
off for today. See you!
L274[15:44:39] <Zarthus> as APlayer
departs, I'll take over his role of .. whatever he does.
L275[15:44:48] <Zarthus> please refer to
me as BPlayer.
L276[15:45:24] *
APlayer Yarthus
L277[15:45:34] <APlayer> Woops, that was
supposed to be a nich change
L278[15:45:40] <APlayer> nick
change*
L279[15:46:04] <Zarthus> That's my pirate
nick.
L280[15:46:22] <APlayer> Anyway, on second
thought, I'd better not impersonate EsperNet staff ;-)
L281[15:46:35] <Zarthus> Why not? I can't
think of anything wrong with that.
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L283[15:47:56] <APlayer> I mean, as long
as I have triple redundancy (BPlayer, CPlayer) and contingency
plans (Ban evasion, ...), I should be fine by aerospace
standards
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L287[15:52:01] <APlayer> o/
L288[15:52:02] <Zarthus> Nice.
L289[15:52:05] <Zarthus> See you
'round.
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L300[16:19:32] <Fluburtur> wtf is
that
L301[16:19:44] <Fluburtur> the one in the
5th element was better
L302[16:20:00] <Fluburtur> then mayèbe
that idiot would press the red button
L303[16:21:20] <Eddi|zuHause> my source
said something about "anti-drone gun + macron"
L304[16:24:04] <Fluburtur> yeah idiotic
stuff then
L305[16:25:40] <Eddi|zuHause> who knows
what you're actually building, they must be capable of taking it
down :p
L306[16:26:04] <Fluburtur> I highly doubt
that
L307[16:26:30] <Fluburtur> if I wanted to
screw with them just to humiliate them, they wouldn't be able to
stop me
L308[16:26:43] <Fluburtur> then they
either take me down or hire me
L309[16:27:04] <Fluburtur> I guess an UAV
that uses optical nav as a failsafe for GPS and radio link losee
would be hard to take down
L310[16:27:18] <Fluburtur> other than a
very hard EMP to fry the electronics
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L312[16:37:53] <NGC3982> that is indeed an
anti drone device.
L314[16:39:56] <NGC3982> it is called
'dronegun tactical' and is produced by droneshield
L315[16:41:24] <NGC3982> Fluburtur: as
long as the failsafe is to continue on a predetermined path, a
modern (legal) drone gun is probably useless. most drone guns afaik
only blocks specific radio frequencies and is normally used to make
commercial drones simply loose user control and land.
L316[16:41:47] <NGC3982> if your UAV does
not require radio contact it should be good.
L317[16:41:50] <Fluburtur> you want to jam
2.4ghz and whatever the gps uses
L318[16:42:05] <NGC3982> that thing does
that.
L319[16:42:07] <NGC3982> and
glonass.
L320[16:42:24] <NGC3982> they say that it
works for over a kilometer.
L321[16:42:32] <NGC3982> and i doubt
it.
L322[16:42:33] <Fluburtur> very focused
beam then
L323[16:43:14] <NGC3982> well, a company
working with security with such a narrow product range is probably
either a scam or extremely good.
L325[16:43:46] <Fluburtur> or use crap
that works on other frequencies like 434 or 868mhz
L326[16:44:00] <Fluburtur> uh it does
433
L327[16:44:14] <Fluburtur> so I guess
868mhz and optical nav
L328[16:44:29] <Fluburtur> optical nav
would be tricky but it only needs to work for a shor distance until
it can get gps again
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L330[16:44:37] <NGC3982> oh noes! they can
block my wireless light switches at home!
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L334[17:04:32] <Draconiator> Does anyone
know if the ol' toothpaste + CD trick definitivelty works? I've
done it before but I don't really know if it works or not.\
L335[17:04:49] <Azander> NEver worked well
for me
L336[17:05:59] <Azander> I always use
window cleaner designed for windshields
L337[17:06:10] <Azander> not general use
cleaner
L338[17:08:02] <Eddi|zuHause> do GPS and
GLONASS actually use different frequency bands?
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L379[19:13:25] <kmath>
<✔UniOfSurrey> We are blown away by these stunning images of
RemoveDEBRIS! ⏎ ⏎ Find out more about the mission:…
https://t.co/e1N7na5Pbe
L380[19:20:54] <Eddi|zuHause> "flying
cube" more like a cubesat or more like a borg cube?
L381[19:21:59] <UmbralRaptor> Yes
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L393[20:51:38] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L402[22:52:01] <Neal> eyo
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L407[23:59:17] <mabus> hm, about the only
thing i can see in the sky tonight is a very bright red star to the
south. is that jupiter?