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L30[04:42:33] <TheSpacePlan> Hello
L31[04:42:36] <Mod9000> Hello, TheSpacePlan
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L33[04:42:48] <Althego> spaceplan? spaceplane?
L34[04:43:09] <Mat2ch> Uh, I need to build a spaceplane some day
L35[04:43:11] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> What
L36[04:43:24] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> Do you remember me?
L37[04:43:33] <Mat2ch> And I wanna build something like Skylon in RSS :D
L38[04:43:47] <Althego> hard mode
L39[04:43:56] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> Do you see my Messages?
L40[04:44:02] <Althego> yes
L41[04:44:05] <Althego> and i remember you
L42[04:44:11] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> They are grey for me for some reason
L43[04:44:26] <Althego> hehe, all messages are grey
L44[04:44:36] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> Now its ok
L45[04:44:39] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> I changed my theme
L46[04:44:53] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> I cant remember what system nickname i had
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L48[04:45:24] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> It looks pretty
L49[04:45:31] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> Did it get updated?
L50[04:45:38] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> Or was it like this for a long time?
L51[04:45:52] <Althego> there shouldnt be any color codes emitted
L52[04:46:09] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> btw how are you?
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L54[04:46:54] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> I couldnt get my Duna expedition into orbit ;B;
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L56[04:53:37] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> Hello everyone
L57[04:53:39] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> Missed me?
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L61[05:19:58] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> I made a space ship, and didnt even use the last stage XD
L62[05:22:24] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> I guess ill use it to get to minmus and then back to kerbin orbit
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L65[05:24:10] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> I have a engine, that is very powerful
L66[05:24:24] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> And runs of Electricity and Xenon
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L78[07:08:35] <NGC3982> yey.
L79[07:08:52] <NGC3982> is moho hard to get to?
L80[07:09:21] <NGC3982> that and tylo is the only thing i havent visited with kerbonauts yet
L81[07:17:47] <taniwha> nothing is hard to get to, though some things may take a lot of ΔV
L82[07:20:19] <Truga> moho probably takes the most dv to get to
L83[07:20:38] <Truga> tylo probably the most to land/return from surface?
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L85[07:21:55] <taniwha> I suspect Eve launch takes more than Tylo return
L86[07:22:03] <Truga> oh yeah
L87[07:22:15] <Truga> well
L88[07:22:24] <taniwha> or at least is very comparable
L89[07:22:35] <Truga> is that still the case with the "new" aero? :p
L90[07:22:56] <taniwha> my understanding is it made things worse for Eve
L91[07:23:03] <Truga> lol
L92[07:23:19] <Althego> to eve orbit around 8k min from sea level
L93[07:23:20] <taniwha> (due to Isp -> thrust -> gravity drag)
L94[07:24:08] <Truga> I remember needing 11k in old aero
L95[07:24:50] <Truga> circularizing with nuclear was fun, I dipped pretty far into atmo again before I managed to escape :v
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L98[07:28:13] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> Hi
L99[07:28:17] <Mod9000> Hello, TheSpacePlaneArchitect
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L101[07:39:21] <Althego> hah geocentric universe on the nonsequitur show
L102[07:39:47] <Althego> this is almost flat earth, so i guess i can listen to it
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L107[08:06:47] <Althego> this guy is actually quite smart
L108[08:07:03] <Althego> he is wrong slightly, but not dumb as a flat earthers
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L112[08:10:47] <Althego> just because there is no analytical solution the the 3 body problem it doesnt mean the newtonian gravity is failing. it still gives correct solution, just not analytical. but most differential equations dont have analytical solutions anyway
L113[08:12:42] <taniwha> actually, even 2-body doesn't really have an analytical solution
L114[08:13:00] <taniwha> pos->time is analytic, but time->pos is not
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L116[08:13:25] <taniwha> (because mean anomaly->eccentric anomaly is not analytic)
L117[08:14:20] <Althego> now michelson-morely, that must be one of the most misunderstood experiments ever
L118[08:14:58] <taniwha> anything post-Gallileo is misunderstood
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L120[08:22:29] <taniwha> I had a really tough time with the applications of the concept of energy
L121[08:22:46] <Althego> i still dont know what energy is
L122[08:23:03] <Althego> aside from that which is retained
L123[08:23:04] <taniwha> nothing more than a concept, really
L124[08:23:36] <taniwha> I have become rather unconvinved that energy actually exists
L125[08:23:42] <Althego> why would it
L126[08:23:49] <Althego> do numbers exist?
L127[08:23:56] <taniwha> exactly
L128[08:23:59] <Althego> does even position and velocity exist?
L129[08:24:06] <taniwha> yes, those do
L130[08:24:13] <Althego> no, not according to the universe :)
L131[08:24:16] <taniwha> well... position does, at least
L132[08:25:30] <Althego> matchematical concepts might exists, if you think of them as a platonist
L133[08:25:33] <Althego> sometimes i do
L134[08:26:10] <Althego> i would like to believe that even if humans die out, some day some aliens might find remains of science and recognize them, because they also discovered the same concepts
L135[08:26:36] <Althego> but it might be that there can be mathematics built on completely different concepts, and incompatible with ours
L136[08:27:10] <taniwha> my point is that energy may not be something that physically exists, but rather is a mathematical tool for relating position and (apparent?) velocity
L137[08:27:20] <Althego> position however is only a macroscopic construct, doesnt really exist in reality
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L139[08:27:59] <taniwha> I think you might be confusing position with motion
L140[08:28:01] <Althego> it is probably that
L141[08:28:18] <Althego> not really, the same way as position doesnt existm velocity doesnt exist either
L142[08:28:33] <Althego> only in classical mechanics, because they agree with our macroscopical experiences
L143[08:28:43] <taniwha> position exists, in 4D (+?) space
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L145[08:29:19] <Althego> unfortunately neither general relativity nor quantum mechanics can be the final answer, so science, as it always was, still incomplete
L146[08:29:26] <taniwha> but as soon as you use 4D space, velocity disappears
L147[08:29:51] <taniwha> science is a process, not a "thing"
L148[08:30:02] <Althego> ok, then scientific knowledge
L149[08:30:18] <taniwha> that's the only knowledge there is :)
L150[08:30:24] <Althego> hehe, true
L151[08:30:43] <Althego> the findings produced by the process
L152[08:30:52] <taniwha> indeed
L153[08:31:11] <taniwha> (and if you haven't guessed, I've watched a fair bit of Aron Ra)
L154[08:31:12] <Althego> it produced those two theories more than 100 years ago, and we couldnt unify them
L155[08:31:20] <Althego> and both are only half of the solution
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L157[08:31:51] <taniwha> I think quantum is younger than 100 years (though not by much)
L158[08:31:52] <Althego> i really like his systematic classification of life series
L159[08:32:28] <Althego> max planck around 1900
L160[08:32:32] <Althego> so more than 100
L161[08:32:33] <taniwha> not sure I've seen that, but I did watch his foundational falsehoods series
L162[08:32:49] <Althego> yes, that is good
L163[08:33:16] <Althego> the classification thing is ongoing. at ep 30 or so, still not past dinosaurs
L164[08:34:05] <taniwha> I've actually been mostly avoiding him and others latey. too much of a time-sink
L165[08:34:26] <Althego> my trick is to play t he video in the background
L166[08:34:33] <Althego> and do something else
L167[08:34:39] <Althego> only the sound matters
L168[08:34:40] <taniwha> (still good shanghaied into John Michael Godier lately, though)
L169[08:34:54] <taniwha> can't do that. too hypnotic :P
L170[08:35:50] <taniwha> I find it crazy that even after two years, Tabby's Star still has aliens on the table as a possibility (though mega-structures got ruled out this week)
L171[08:36:33] <taniwha> And Trappist-1 is still bouncing between maybe-maybenot for life
L172[08:36:34] <Althego> given the tools we have to get any information of something so far away... so basically only electromagnetic waves, it is not surprising to see there are problems
L173[08:37:05] <Althego> there were regular updates on youtube on tabby's star
L174[08:37:34] <taniwha> a 16% dip in brightness requires a 40% diameter (assuming spherical bodies)
L175[08:38:09] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHN1yTHRr6BU1Ndb26vBqlg
L176[08:38:22] <taniwha> (approximately: I'm not quite sure how brightness varies over a solar disk)
L177[08:39:05] <taniwha> it seems that was determined to be dust, but the source of the dust remains in question
L178[08:43:34] <Althego> oh this delightful drilling sound. i should just keep a huge concrete block to drill in, just to reciprocate in these occasions
L179[08:45:35] <Althego> btw one of the worst puns ever. there is the SIP protocol, and there is a lib that supports this, called resiprocate
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L184[08:56:29] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> Hello
L185[08:56:31] <Mod9000> Hello, TheSpacePlaneArchitect
L186[09:00:15] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> I tried to assemble a satellite on the orbit
L187[09:00:25] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> It is super ineffective
L188[09:02:03] <UmbralRaptop> Have you tried attaching a nanab berry?
L189[09:03:38] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> What
L190[09:03:44] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> I was using KIS
L191[09:04:18] <UmbralRaptop> you made. Pokémon joke, I ran with it. >_>
L192[09:04:50] <UmbralRaptop> Unsure with KIS, was it wobbling apart?
L193[09:05:05] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> No
L194[09:05:26] <Althego> what shall we do with the wobbling spacecraft, ... early in the mornign
L195[09:05:27] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> I couldnt hold it stable to assemble
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L197[09:05:40] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> It was flying away
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L199[09:07:36] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> So i will send it assembled
L200[09:07:57] <UmbralRaptop> Monolithic stations do have some advantages.
L201[09:10:18] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> Like what
L202[09:11:49] <UmbralRaptop> Lack of assembly is obvious one. Especially if you gave launchers that scale up well.
L203[09:12:10] <UmbralRaptop> Shapes may or may not be more restricted.
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L205[09:12:32] <UmbralRaptop> More amenable to ground tests.
L206[09:12:53] <TheSpacePlaneArchitect> I would prefer constructing surface bases using KIS
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L307[14:30:39] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jP9k8cJn3Q
L308[14:30:39] <kmath> YouTube - FPV formation flying
L309[14:31:03] <Althego> you installed burn together :)
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L311[14:31:17] <Fluburtur> heh
L312[14:33:03] <Fluburtur> now I just need to fix the tiny plane
L313[14:33:12] <Fluburtur> I had to hold right aileron the whole flight
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L315[14:35:25] <Fluburtur> and since we killed the plane my friend was flying I have to build a new one
L316[14:35:29] <Fluburtur> better, faster
L317[14:35:33] <Fluburtur> more efficient
L318[14:36:05] <Althego> harder better faster stronger
L319[14:36:15] <Althego> our work is never over
L320[14:36:30] <Fluburtur> idk about harder or stronger
L321[14:36:32] <Fluburtur> it is still foam
L322[14:36:39] <Fluburtur> and probably won't have a wing spar
L323[14:37:30] <Fluburtur> but my friend flies harder than me so idk
L324[14:37:58] <Fluburtur> the big plane was supposed to be slow and drive like a truck but he pulled some pretty hard turns on it
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L331[15:02:19] <Althego> hah ksp wekly is here
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L334[15:04:59] <Althego> not much in it
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L381[20:09:13] <Tank2333> hi
L382[20:09:14] <Mod9000> Hello, Tank2333
L383[20:11:48] <UmbralRaptop> Greetings
L384[20:14:23] <JCB> yupsup?
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L390[20:55:01] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Once you think about it, don't feathers make dinosaurs more cool? I mean, would you be afraid of a featherless hawk?
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L392[20:58:49] <UmbralRaptop> roadrunners are tiny beaked velociraptors.
L393[21:00:07] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: Clever girl https://cdn.audubon.org/cdn/farfuture/VehEzo6aQtE3aQbhncg83E-l42gajgattfxeTCPKdr0/mtime:1422550278/sites/default/files/Greater_Roadrunner_b13-45-102_l_1.jpg
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L396[21:12:32] <UmbralRaptop> *meep meep* *stab*
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L399[21:21:46] <Scolar_Visari> And the worst part is . . . Wyle E. Coyote would still be alive when Road Runner begins to eat him.
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L401[21:30:26] <UmbralRaptop> Hm
L402[21:34:46] <cringe> ISS Urine Tank Level: 33% (LOS)
L403[21:36:31] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: Of course, being Wyle E. Coyote, he would be unable to scream and would have to communicate his dying anguish with pre-written signs.
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L406[21:44:40] <UmbralRaptop> … there's a nonzero chance that those signs would be written in his own blood.
L407[21:45:47] <Scolar_Visari> That would make for an interesting discovery when future paleontologists happen upon their remains, crushed underneath a large boulder of course.
L408[21:46:38] * Scolar_Visari ponders if the same situation befell the Protoceratops and Velociraptor of Fighting Dinosaurs fame.
L409[21:47:03] <Scolar_Visari> Excluding the obvious cause of a collapsing sand dune.
L410[21:49:52] <UmbralRaptop> hah
L411[21:52:59] <Scolar_Visari> P. T. Andrewsi, saurian genius, only outwitted his great foe that was Vicky Velociraptor in death.
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