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L6[00:32:26] <kmath> YouTube - Pokémon Red
INSIDE Minecraft — An Interview with the Creator, "Mr.
Squishy'"
L7[00:34:38] <Althego> what has science
done
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L23[02:23:45] <Rokker> seriously what is
China's obsession with bombing their own people with hydrazine
rocket stages
L24[02:25:40] <Gasher[work]> em, we kinda
have/had the similar issue
L25[02:26:36] <Rokker> Gasher[work]: yes I
know, you like bombing the Chinese with rocket stages too
L26[02:26:52] <Gasher[work]> well not
everyone has an ocean nearby
L27[02:27:00] <Rokker> ...
L28[02:27:15] <Rokker> Gasher[work]:
...
L29[02:27:22] <Gasher[work]> lol i could
say the same about chernobyl/fukushima
L30[02:28:19] <Japa> those two are not the
same.
L32[02:28:27] <Japa> chernobyl was
hubris.
L33[02:28:31] <Rokker> NO OCEAN
L34[02:28:34] <Rokker> NONE AT ALL
L35[02:28:36] <Japa> fukishima was a
natural disaster.
L36[02:28:52] <Rokker> Gasher[work]: ur
right, Russia is such a landlocked country
L37[02:29:10] <Rokker> Gasher[work]: ur
basically lesotho
L38[02:29:15] <Gasher[work]> so what? it's
about the handling. Also they had an obvious design flaw when they
got their power knocked off
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L40[02:29:43] <Gasher[work]> Rokker, yeah,
right, one launch was made like that
L41[02:29:47] <Rokker> not sure I would
call a tsunami a design flaw
L42[02:30:44] <Gasher[work]> makign a power
plant in seismic active region with danger of tsunami and not
planning for it definitely is
L43[02:31:19] <Rokker> Gasher[work]:
anyways, I'm not talking about reactors
L44[02:31:34] <Gasher[work]> it's not a
house which you can easily rebuild after a yearly tornado
L45[02:31:41] <Rokker> I'm talking about
nations sticking their rockets in the middle of land
L46[02:31:51] <Rokker> when they have plant
of ocean to use
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L48[02:31:58] <Rokker> plenty of*
L49[02:32:02] <Gasher[work]> there were
like, reasons to put kosmodrome in the middle of nowhere
L50[02:32:22] <Gasher[work]> out of reach
of certain aircraft carriers for example
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L52[02:32:26] <Rokker> Gasher[work]: at
least your land is like 1 person ever 10 square kilometers
L53[02:32:39] <Gasher[work]> yeah and
that
L54[02:32:43] <Rokker> China, they land
rockets in people's farms all the time
L55[02:32:58] <Rokker> they are completely
reckless
L56[02:33:16] <Gasher[work]> lol
L57[02:33:24] <Gasher[work]> policing other
countries are we? :D
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L60[02:50:33] <Rokker> Gasher[work]: ur one
to speak, russian
L61[02:50:43] *
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L65[03:08:06] <Rokker> Gasher[work]: you
will never get me, I have learned the Russian tactic of rush B. B
is more well defended than ever now.
L66[03:08:24] <Gasher[work]> lol
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L68[03:09:00] <Gasher[work]> Clauzewitz
approach is good as always
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L81[04:21:25] <Mat2ch> hehe
L83[04:24:31] <Fluburtur> "If you
manage to live until 113 years old, you become a teenager
again."
L84[04:29:15] <Mat2ch> hrhr
L86[04:29:59] <Mat2ch> don't laugh, it's
still possible that they figure out what makes us "old"
in our lifetime and then it's probably possible to turn our aging
back
L87[04:30:27] <Mat2ch> still, some may need
a new body by then...
L88[04:31:06] <Fluburtur> I think that's
the stuff called telomerse that is supposed to protect dna but it
gets a bit damaged after each replication
L89[04:31:28] <Fluburtur> and lobsters have
some much more efficient one that protects it very well s they
don't age
L90[04:32:00] <Mat2ch> iirc they're not
sure if it's only the Telomere
L91[04:32:12] <Fluburtur> put lobster dna
in me
L92[04:32:14] <Fluburtur> please
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L94[04:32:22] <Fluburtur> and jellyfish too
so I can glow in the dark
L95[04:33:09] <Mat2ch> well... it's
possible, but you need to change it in your cells, too
L96[04:33:23] <Mat2ch> It's called CRISPR
and yes, you can do it yourself
L97[04:33:31] <Fluburtur> heh
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L99[04:33:41] <Mat2ch> but you need a
vector to get it into your self and that's the problem
L100[04:33:43] <Fluburtur> pass me the dna
brah
L101[04:34:06] <Mat2ch> just using a
retro-virus only works on cells where lots of blood is flowing
through
L102[04:35:09] <Mat2ch> but your skin
hasn't that much blood flow, so you need to come up with a way to
get it there
L103[04:35:35] <Mat2ch> if you're really
interessted in that stuff, try reading about the treatment of
people with genectic deseases which got treated
L104[04:36:00] <Fluburtur> I'll take a
bath of dna then
L106[04:37:27] <Mat2ch> Not DNA, but retro
viruses. And it has to be able to penetrate your skin
L107[04:37:42] <Mat2ch> because the outer
skin is very good in not letting things through
L108[04:37:47] <Fluburtur> I have sharp
cutter blades
L109[04:37:49] <Mat2ch> also the bacteria
on it likes to eat all bad stuff
L110[04:37:58] <Mat2ch> that sounds
horrible
L111[04:38:03] <Fluburtur> yes
L112[04:38:20] <Mat2ch> there's a way to
inject stuff into muscles through skin with high pressure
L113[04:38:24] <Fluburtur> but it doesn't
actually hurt to get cut by those because they are very sharp
L114[04:38:31] <Mat2ch> that could
work
L115[04:38:32] <Fluburtur> I cut myself
accidentaly too often
L116[04:39:01] <Mat2ch> when I cut myself
the cut doesn't hurt either, but it starts to burn after a while,
which is very unpleasent
L118[04:39:53] <Mat2ch> lol
L119[04:40:11] <Fluburtur> the old rotor
thing was broken so I got an airplane prop
L120[04:40:43] <Gasher_> lol
L121[04:41:00] <Gasher_> what about
rpm/
L122[04:41:01] <Gasher_> ?
L123[04:41:07] <Fluburtur> my grandparents
have a lot of crap from the ussr for some reason
L124[04:41:14] <Fluburtur> rpm is a bit
low but is enough
L125[04:42:32] <Fluburtur> I expected it
would be a bit faster than the older propeller because this one is
smaller but I don't think the speed was limited by the propelelr
load
L126[04:42:47] <Fluburtur> this is a prop
for scale p47 and crap like that on it now
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L143[06:00:55] <Fluburtur> expensive
bois
L144[06:01:14] <Fluburtur> but the yf23
does look cool
L145[06:01:24] <Rokker> Fluburtur: you
should see it in person
L146[06:01:57] <Fluburtur> the x-02 wyvern
from ace combat looks kinda similar
L147[06:02:01] <Fluburtur> mostly the
tail
L148[06:02:12] <Rokker> Fluburtur: did i
ever tell you about how i smacked my forehead into the rear of the
YF-23
L149[06:02:16] <Rokker> left a mark
L151[06:02:22] <Fluburtur> no
L152[06:03:38] <Rokker> well, in the old
R&D hangar, the YF-23 was right in front of the XB-70
L153[06:03:54] <Rokker> I wanted to get a
pic of the inside of the XB-70s intakes
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L155[06:04:05] <Rokker> so i started
backing up
L156[06:04:10] <BadRocketsCo> Howdy
L157[06:04:16] <Fluburtur> yo
L158[06:04:30] <Rokker> and i knew that
the YF-23 was generally close to where i was so i turned around to
make sure i wouldnt hit it
L159[06:04:40] <Rokker> and right as i
turned around, boom i ran into it
L160[06:04:47] <Fluburtur> haha
L161[06:05:23] <Rokker> Fluburtur: the
right control surface, left a little bruise on my head for a few
days
L162[06:07:59] <BadRocketsCo> Rokker:
isn't the YF-23 a cancelled US jet fighter...?
L163[06:08:49] <Rokker> yes
L164[06:09:22] <Rokker> well, not really
cancelled, it was just the losing prototype in the YF-22/YF-23
competition
L165[06:09:27] <BadRocketsCo> Ooh
L166[06:10:58] <Fluburtur> they look
fairly similar
L167[06:13:36] <BadRocketsCo> Rokker:
wait, are you an AF pilot?
L168[06:16:11] <Rokker> no
L169[06:16:26] <Rokker> just an air force
nerd
L170[06:19:56] <BadRocketsCo> Ah,
okay
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L174[06:53:07] <Rokker> Fluburtur: every
day I love Planes of Fame more and more
L175[06:53:58] <Rokker> apparently they
are restoring a P-59 Airacomet to flying conditjon
L176[06:54:31] <Rokker> speaking of which,
Fluburtur they need to add the Airacomet to war thunder
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L178[06:58:00] <Rokker> Fluburtur: sure
the P-59 kinda sucked
L179[06:59:38] <Rokker> but imagine a jet
powered P-63 with slightly better altitude performance
L180[06:59:54] <Fluburtur> eh I
guess
L181[07:00:07] <Fluburtur> I like the
planes with a single high caliber gun in the nose in wt
L182[07:00:12] <Fluburtur> like the yak
9t
L183[07:00:27] <Fluburtur> glorious
ns37
L184[07:00:41] <legion> get the italian 4
engined one.
L185[07:00:56] <legion> it has the biggest
calibre
L186[07:00:56] <Rokker> Fluburtur: you can
sorta look down the nose of the xxxxcobras at my museum, it's just
terrifying and beautiful
L187[07:01:06] <Rokker> legion:
blegh
L188[07:01:12] <Rokker> have fun aiming
that
L189[07:01:22] <Fluburtur> there is a
b25with a big gun I think
L190[07:01:27] <Fluburtur> but I prefer
smaller fighters
L191[07:01:27] <Rokker> yes
L192[07:01:44] <Rokker> Fluburtur: it's
actually a Navy variant of the B-25
L193[07:01:46] <Fluburtur> the yak9 is
really good at dogfight but the fuel tanks catch on fire too
easily
L194[07:02:02] <Rokker> the F-82 is the
head on king
L195[07:02:04] <Fluburtur> but can do
stupid stuff with the cannon
L196[07:02:23] <Fluburtur> one shot is
always enough to kill a fighter with the 37 or 45mm gun
L197[07:02:28] <Rokker> when u have the
F-82, you don't need a cannon
L198[07:02:30] <Fluburtur> and a few can
take down a bomber
L199[07:02:49] <legion> the Japanese heavy
fighterline with the 37mm sucks though... not enough ammo, nor
different belts for that gun
L200[07:03:00] <Fluburtur> btw I just got
the french f6f
L201[07:03:24] <Rokker> I'm telling you
guys, F-82 with the gun pod is the best opportunity fighter of the
game
L202[07:03:40] <Rokker> If you get any
good fire option, that plane is dead
L203[07:04:02] <Rokker> Fluburtur: weird,
why don't they have a French made fighter there?
L204[07:04:10] <Rokker> I thought you guys
had such good planes
L205[07:04:13] <legion> you get those
gunpods on low level stuff too, right?
L206[07:04:21] <Fluburtur> well the lower
ranks are french planes but then they have murikan ones
L207[07:04:29] <Rokker> legion: no
L208[07:04:31] <Fluburtur> I have the
mb157 and vg33 otherwise
L209[07:04:46] <Fluburtur> then in the
higher ranks it is french planes again
L210[07:04:49] <Rokker> legion: the F-82
gun pod has 8 extra 50 cals
L211[07:05:05] <Fluburtur> the french
didn't make much planes in the middle of the war for some
reason
L212[07:05:16] <Rokker> Fluburtur:
quitters
L213[07:05:21] <legion> oh yeah, it was
the dual .50' pods on the others
L214[07:05:26] <Rokker> yeah
L215[07:05:45] <Rokker> I've never used
the duals. they were added after I had passed that part of the
tree
L216[07:05:46] <Fluburtur> but the nice
german peoples let the guys at the factory finish the only mb157
that existed
L217[07:05:50] <Fluburtur> and they found
it nice
L218[07:06:04] <Fluburtur> captured some
vg33 too
L219[07:06:21] <Rokker> "the Nazis
liked it, so it must be good"
L220[07:06:25] <Rokker> solid logic
L221[07:06:50] <Truga> uhhhhh
L222[07:07:07] <Fluburtur> well it would
have been dangerous to them if it was actually used so I
guess
L223[07:07:36] <Fluburtur> the vg33 kinda
matched the bf109e for speed and maniability
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L225[07:09:13] <Rokker> anyways
L226[07:09:32] <Rokker> I'll probably be
using the F-82 for the rest of my war thunder American planes
career
L227[07:09:35] <Rokker> great plane
L228[07:09:51] <Rokker> good speed, good
climb, good weapons, ok maneuverability
L229[07:10:17] <Fluburtur> im currently
researching the bf109 g6, yak 3p and the other french f6f
L230[07:10:20] <Fluburtur> and some
spitfire
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L232[07:10:51] <Rokker> Fluburtur: I have
a problem in that I can't make SL for crap
L233[07:11:04] <Rokker> I'm at that really
crappy grindy phase
L234[07:11:15] <Fluburtur> heh
L235[07:11:30] <Rokker> where all my lions
are spent on upgrades and buying planes added after I stopped
playing the last time
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L237[07:12:32] <legion> Rokker, do you
only play planes or groundforces as well?
L238[07:12:48] <legion> because grinding
tanks can be even worse
L239[07:13:12] <Rokker> I play it
all
L240[07:13:18] <Rokker> which is part of
the problem
L241[07:13:34] <legion> Arcade or RB
L242[07:13:35] <legion> ?
L243[07:13:38] <Rokker> legion: that tank
rb grind hurts my soul
L244[07:13:50] <Rokker> air arcade, tank
rb
L245[07:14:22] <legion> i wished there was
an tank arcade mode without the goddamn plane spam
L246[07:15:35] <Rokker> I don't care about
the planes
L247[07:15:44] <Rokker> I wish tank rb was
unlimited tanks
L248[07:15:54] <Rokker> I mean tank
arcade
L249[07:16:00] <Fluburtur> infinite
wirbel
L250[07:16:04] <Rokker> nah
L251[07:16:10] <Rokker> I mean like air
arcade
L252[07:16:16] <Rokker> rather than 3
tanks
L253[07:21:07] <legion> playing bombers
sucks in AB though...
L254[07:24:09] <Rokker> sometimes it's
ok
L255[07:25:39] <legion> depends on the
bomber. I like the japanese ones, except for their rather anemic
bombload.
L256[07:26:01] <Rokker> B-29 is bae
L257[07:26:05] <Rokker> just needs
nukes
L258[07:26:09] <legion> even the lowest
tier 3 has only 10 50kg bombs stock
L259[07:26:24] <Fluburtur> the farmand is
kinda good in arcade
L260[07:26:42] <Alanonzander> Rokker: I
prefer the B-17
L261[07:26:43] <Fluburtur> because at that
rank no one knwos how to intercept bombers so I just climb to 5000
meters and kill all the bases
L262[07:26:55] <Rokker> is it wrong that
I've never actually gone down the Russian and German trees?
L263[07:27:14] <Rokker> like past tier
2
L264[07:27:18] <Fluburtur> eh
L265[07:27:24] <Fluburtur> russians are a
bit more fun
L266[07:27:44] <Rokker> I'm partly in it
for the history nerd fun
L267[07:27:45] <Fluburtur> once you got
the bf109 f4 you can pretty much forever play that in german
L268[07:28:05] <Rokker> and I find the
American British French and Italian trees the most
interesting
L269[07:28:14] <legion> the early russian
mombers have good maneuverability and a nose mounted turret. fun to
chase planes with
L270[07:28:32] <Fluburtur> I think I shot
down a wellington with a pe3 once
L271[07:28:39] <Fluburtur> and a h8k
L272[07:28:45] <Rokker> the early Russian
bombers were cool too
L273[07:29:55] <legion> i also like ground
attackers like the SU-8. all the dakka
L274[07:30:08] <Rokker> I will admit, I
don't thing the game is wholly historically balanced
L275[07:30:24] <Rokker> using Pe-8s like
they are B-17s despite the low production rate
L276[07:30:26] <Rokker> etc
L277[07:30:36] <Rokker> and that ugly
French plane
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L279[07:30:48] <Rokker> that looks like a
propeller based vampyre
L280[07:30:55] <Fluburtur> the
so8000?
L281[07:31:07] <Rokker> ye
L282[07:31:24] <Fluburtur> was made from
random parts they found left by the germans I think
L283[07:31:58] <Truga> historical balance
is very important, especially in arcade battles
L284[07:32:00] <Rokker> Oh and the R2Y2
just pisses me off
L285[07:32:31] <Fluburtur> I hate all the
jap planes exept the big bombers
L286[07:32:40] <Rokker> Fluburtur: the
R2Y2 annoys me because it's similar to the reason I left world of
tanks
L287[07:32:46] <Rokker> non historical
craft
L288[07:33:03] <Rokker> I left world of
tanks when they started asking for fake French tanks
L289[07:33:29] <Rokker> and the addition
of a paper plane like the R2Y2 is just a kick in the face from
gaijin
L290[07:33:40] <Fluburtur> well there ae a
few paper planes in wt
L291[07:33:45] <Rokker> yes
L292[07:33:51] <Rokker> and I hate them
all
L293[07:33:55] <Fluburtur> heh
L294[07:34:11] <Rokker> Fluburtur: AND
EVEN THEN
L295[07:34:39] <Rokker> even then you can
go on the forums and find people arguing against adding X paper
plane because it's not historical
L296[07:34:53] <Rokker> either add em all
or none, you can't argue to have both
L297[07:35:25] <Fluburtur> I kinda want
the good ol p.1110
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L299[07:36:26] <Truga> does warthunder
have mig17 yet?
L300[07:36:50] <Fluburtur> I think it
does
L301[07:37:55] <Truga> lol it does
L302[07:38:05] <Truga> just roll that 24/7
and win every fight ever then
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L307[08:08:35] <kubi> omg
L308[08:08:38] <kubi> my brain
L309[08:09:07] <kubi> I read you name as
SloanMcKinsey
L310[08:10:28] <Rokker> Truga: fun fact,
if you break off just the wingtips of the MiG-17 in RB, you can go
supersonic
L311[08:16:31] <Truga> mig-15/17 excel at
subsonic characteristics tho
L312[08:16:43] <Fluburtur> crpa I spilled
acetone verywhere
L313[08:17:25] <Truga> they'll outturn and
outclimb any competition, they have good guns, the only rule is to
not dive after sabres if you like having your tail attached
:p
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L317[08:27:37] <kubi> just light a
match
L318[08:27:45] <kubi> that cleans up
acetone
L319[08:28:00] <Fluburtur> well I was
thinking about using my hair drier to make it evaporate
L320[08:28:09] <Fluburtur> but I opened
everything and turned on my fan
L321[08:28:14] <Fluburtur> good thing I
got a new prop for it
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L323[08:30:18] <Fluburtur> there might be
acetone in my milk now
L324[08:30:18] <Fluburtur> uh
L325[08:30:42] <kubi> do they go into
solution?
L326[08:31:52] <Fluburtur> I have the
cardboard bottles and idk if acetone goes through
L327[08:36:54] <Fluburtur> I should try to
make a 3d printed propeller
L328[08:37:09] <Fluburtur> but idk how to
makeout the angle of attack at each section of the blade
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L332[08:50:47] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: did you
watch the 'print the legend' documentary about 3d printing?
L333[08:56:01] <ve2dmn> I'm getting my
very first phone emergency alert message this morning
L334[08:56:51] <Fluburtur> not yet
L335[08:56:53] <Judge_Dedd> Oh wow. What's
happening, ve2dmn?
L336[08:57:02] <ve2dmn> Very first
test
L337[08:57:12] <Fluburtur> also it's
possible to get some very nice cuts using my sword
L338[08:57:16] <Judge_Dedd> Ah a test. Not
too bad, then :)
L339[08:57:17] <Fluburtur> but needs some
practice
L340[08:59:29] <ve2dmn> Judge_Dedd:
Nothing ever happens here, so the system wasn't needed
L341[09:00:10] <ve2dmn> Following last
year flood's, they decided it was time
L342[09:00:56] <Judge_Dedd> Can be useful
for any number things, I suppose
L343[09:01:23] <Judge_Dedd> Storms, fires,
floods, crazy people on the loose...
L344[09:01:38] <ve2dmn> Yeah... well...
the Japanese use it to play music at the end of the shcool
day
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L346[09:01:49] <Judge_Dedd> On your
phone?
L347[09:02:01] <ve2dmn> on the outdoor
sirens
L348[09:02:06] <Judge_Dedd> LOL
L349[09:03:40] <ve2dmn> well... it's one
way to make sure they still work
L350[09:03:59] <Fluburtur> dedd did you
see the plane im making?
L352[09:05:52] <Mat2ch> erks, somehow my
brain thought it was Wednesday and got excited.
L353[09:06:15] <Judge_Dedd> Fluburtur,
nice. 3D printed?
L354[09:06:43] <Fluburtur> yeah
L355[09:06:51] <Fluburtur> desk version of
the big one
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L361[09:22:21] <ve2dmn> ok... I'm not
impressed. None of the phones at work reacted
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L364[09:31:18] <Althego> fancy ip
phones?
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L367[09:37:38] <ve2dmn> Althego:
cellphones
L368[09:37:47] <Althego> that is even
worse :)
L369[09:39:17] <ve2dmn> it seem that for
the first test you either needed a third party app or one of the
'approved' phones.
L370[09:41:25] <ve2dmn> And since I didn't
get a Google Pixel, a Samsung S8 or a iPhone 8 I got nothing
L371[09:42:03] <Althego> s8 is so last
year :)
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L375[09:44:50] <Althego> what did you need
to do?
L377[09:56:45] <Fluburtur> I want to fill
it but I can't
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L381[10:04:19] <Althego> hehe, i didnt
know christopher judge is kratos in gow4
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L383[10:08:47] <Althego> not that i ever
played gow because it is on consoles, but it is still a well known
game. so i didnt follow it closely, but hey teal's is kratos now
:)
L384[10:08:54] <Althego> *c
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L386[10:11:17] <Fluburtur> no matter what
phone my grandma uses to call me, it sounds like crap
L387[10:12:16] <Althego> then it is your
phone :)
L388[10:12:25] <Althego> fix it
L389[10:12:29] <Fluburtur> no it is fine
when it is other peoples
L390[10:12:37] <Althego> on speaker?
L391[10:12:42] <Fluburtur> yeah
L392[10:12:48] <Althego> that iusually
sounds lot worse
L393[10:12:51] <Fluburtur> maybe she put
crap over the microphone idk
L394[10:12:56] <kubi> Fluburtur: do you 3d
print propellers?
L395[10:13:03] <Fluburtur> I mean no
matter how i set up my phone
L396[10:13:15] <Fluburtur> kubi I will
try
L397[10:13:31] <kubi> report then :)
L398[10:13:34] <Althego> i mean she is on
the speaker. that means lot farther from the mic
L399[10:13:37] <Fluburtur> idk what goes
into the design of propellers but it will be a fun experiment
L400[10:13:47] <Fluburtur> idk
L401[10:14:52] <kubi> I think, there are a
lot of models, but the technology is really important if you want
to succeed with a high RPM prop
L402[10:15:33] <kubi> and a broken prop is
not funny :(
L403[10:15:43] <Fluburtur> it can be
L404[10:15:48] <Fluburtur> if it explodes
nice enough
L406[10:16:07] <kubi> once I lost one of
the props of my quadcopter
L407[10:16:16] <Althego> you had some
video of some prop exploding
L408[10:16:35] <kubi> It was flying like
3m high with a really high speed (backwind too)
L409[10:17:04] <kubi> in theory it should
stabilize itself mostly, but did not have time, so crashed
L410[10:17:46] <kubi> then I decided to
drop the alu tube and use 10x10mm pine wood stick from the store
that is 1/100 the price :)
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L414[10:31:00] <Althego> anybody tried
frostpunk?
L415[10:32:56] <oren> not yet
L416[10:36:50] <Doffe> I did.
L417[10:36:57] <Doffe> the simulation is a
bit mundane.
L418[10:38:25] <Doffe> Doesn't really let
you see things on an individual-level, and I feel there is room for
it. Also the visualization isn't so well tied to the actual
simulation. If you see a worker running fast, you're still just
generating coal at a fixed rate per minute and such. Which makes
sense, but I don't think it makes sense in a game that hopes to get
personal.
L419[10:42:31] <Doffe> It is alright
though, and not triple A priced, but I think the overwhelming
praise it seems to be getting is a bit hasty and not too well
throught through. I think after the initial 2-3 hours of
review-copy, it gets stale quick.
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L421[10:48:39] <Doffe> I have a question
about kerbalism I'd hope someone could help me with though.. It
seems my VAB estimation of electric charge consumption is showing
estimates for when my probe is actively transmitting. For some
reason it decided to do this, while previously not going so. It
feels a bit redundant, and while I can maths it by subtracting it,
that sort of ruins the purpose of an easy GUI.
L423[10:51:06] <APlayer> I don't think you
can turn them off in a single option just like that
L424[10:51:29] <APlayer> You may either
fully turn off signal mechanics, or disable EC costs in every
antenna's patch
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L426[10:52:21] <APlayer> If you just mean
the GUI, right clicking on a part gives you an option to
include/ignore it in EC calculations
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L430[10:54:43] <ve2dmn> Update on previous
alert thing: I sent an SMS to all my friends we all have yet to
find someone for which it worked.
L431[10:54:46] <ve2dmn> Epic Fail
L432[10:54:58] <APlayer> What alert?
L433[10:55:11] <Althego> the sms?
L434[10:55:17] <Althego> or the
alert
L435[10:55:17] <ve2dmn> Test of the
emergency broadcast system
L436[10:55:32] <Althego> please remain
calm, this is a test
L437[10:55:50] <Althego> not like the
hawaiian missile warning that went out as real :)
L438[10:56:05] <ve2dmn> TV and Radio got
the test ok, but so far: 0 cellphones out of about 50
L439[10:56:27] <Althego> probably not
their fault
L440[10:56:47] <ve2dmn> I blame the cell
phone carriers
L441[10:56:48] <Althego> i think for
emergency broadcast to phones you need to have some support from
the service provider
L442[10:57:07] <Althego> and if they didnt
buy the equipment needed for it, then tough luvk
L445[10:58:18] <Althego> hehe
L446[10:58:25] <Doffe> APlayer; I mean
just the GUI, but I can't find an option to include/ignore it in EC
calculations in VAB/editor; but there is supposed to be one?
L447[10:59:02] <APlayer> Uh, there used to
be one at the very least
L448[10:59:30] <APlayer> When right
clicking an antenna, there was a red/green text which indicated
whether it was included in calculations
L449[11:00:13] <Doffe> Maybe an other mod
is screwing with something
L450[11:02:47] <APlayer> I doubt that,
TBH
L451[11:06:12] <Doffe> Well yeah I just
tried with it alone and it didn't help.
L452[11:06:26] <APlayer> I am talking
pre-N70 Kerbalism. Perhaps he changed something
L453[11:06:40] <APlayer> Also, let me see
if it works for me. Just a few minutes.
L454[11:07:13] <Doffe> It was real odd
though, initially it didn't calculate with it, went to the mun a
few times, and then it did.
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L460[11:30:45] <Althego> you must like the
3d printer a lot
L461[11:31:11] <Fluburtur> I have it so I
use it
L462[11:31:21] <Fluburtur> but yeah it is
a nice tool
L463[11:31:25] <legion> yeah, not using it
would be a waste
L464[11:31:48] <Althego> yes, make a
production line and have it in use 24 hoursa day
L465[11:32:42] <Fluburtur> will require a
lot of plastic
L466[11:32:47] <Fluburtur> speaking of, I
need to order more
L467[11:32:51] <Fluburtur> only have half
a roll left
L468[11:33:08] <Fluburtur> will probably
order clear plastic next time
L469[11:33:12] <Fluburtur> instead of just
old boring white
L470[11:33:49] <legion> white is
cheaper?
L471[11:34:06] <Fluburtur> nah they are
about the same price
L472[11:37:51] <legion> don't you need to
sand and polish the clear plastic to get it to be seetrough?
L473[11:38:09] <Althego> hah wolfie with
an other adi video demonstrating how it works for flat
earthers
L474[11:38:12] <Fluburtur> well it's
really hard to make it that nice
L475[11:38:23] <Fluburtur> but having it
transluscent is nice enough
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L479[11:42:56] <KrimZon_2> does
rasterpropmonitor not work with the DLC?
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L481[11:54:11] <Althego> if it doesnt it
is rather with the actual game version
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L484[12:00:36] <Fluburtur> smells like
ion
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L491[12:41:19] <Fluburtur> looks
familiar
L492[12:41:23] <Fluburtur> im not sure
why
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L494[12:41:36] <Fluburtur> how does it
compete against the koyuz?
L495[12:43:43] <Althego> the fat falcon
:)
L496[12:44:37] <Draconiator> No
L497[12:47:30] <ve2dmn> "If something
looks too good to be true, then buy it for the entertainment
value." That is a wonderful life motto.
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L502[12:57:49] <Draconiator> I have a DVD
of "10 films so bad they're good"
L503[12:57:58] <GurrenLagannTSS> Hi
L504[12:57:58] <Mod9000> Hello,
GurrenLagannTSS
L505[12:58:18] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: so...
aside from Plan9, what other titles are there?
L506[12:58:57] <Draconiator> Well lets
see.
L507[13:00:09] <Draconiator> Whoops, got
the title wrong, it's "The Best of the Worst, and that's just
the tagline. So we got here....
L508[13:03:03] <Draconiator> here are all
the films in here. Manos: The Hands of Fate
L509[13:03:03] <Draconiator> Track of the
Moon Beast
L510[13:03:03] <Draconiator> The Beast of
Yucca Flarts
L511[13:03:03] <Draconiator> Eegah
L512[13:03:03] <Draconiator> The Ape
Man
L513[13:03:03] <Draconiator> The Atomic
Brain
L514[13:03:03] <Draconiator> The Amazing
Transparent Man
L515[13:03:04] <Draconiator> Dementia
13
L516[13:03:04] <Draconiator> Unknown
World
L517[13:03:05] <Draconiator> The
Terror
L518[13:03:05] <Draconiator> Mesa of Lost
Women
L519[13:03:06] <Draconiator> The
Incredible Petrified World
L520[13:03:29] <Fluburtur> none of my
movies are there so that's good
L521[13:03:34] <Althego> i havent heard
aof these
L522[13:04:09] <ve2dmn> Can you find me
the ISBN/ISSN/serialWhatever of that DVD? It sounds like a good
gift for a friend of mine
L523[13:04:18] <ve2dmn> (he collects
really bad movies)
L524[13:04:22] <Althego> hehe
L525[13:05:20] <Draconiator> And what's
weird is I have some of those on a "Best of the Best"
collection...weird DVD distributors...
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L529[13:06:19] <Draconiator> The barcode
number of it is 6 83904 53116 2
L530[13:06:38] <Althego> i doubt that
helps :)
L532[13:07:30] <ve2dmn> I like the $2.00
sticker on the front
L533[13:07:38] <Althego> hehe
L534[13:08:32] <Fluburtur> I just sticked
my pants togetehr with cyano glue
L535[13:08:42] <Althego> lol
L536[13:08:52] <Althego> pic
L537[13:09:07] <Fluburtur> too late
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L547[13:42:01] <Althego> space stove
:)
L548[13:42:44] <GurrenLagannTSS> you took
a 2k image
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L550[13:43:42] <ve2dmn> GurrenLagannTSS
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L555[13:57:32] <kubi> cheap probe...
L556[14:06:52] <Fluburtur> "balloon
went up into inner space, about 90,000 feet"
L557[14:06:56] <Fluburtur> oh please
L558[14:07:21] <ve2dmn> source?
L559[14:07:26] <Fluburtur> tumblr
L560[14:07:59] <ve2dmn> tumblr is not a
source, it's a problem
L561[14:08:51] <Fluburtur> when it comes
to stuff like space and science, yes
L562[14:09:56] <Althego> not a source? is
it a drain?
L563[14:10:11] <Althego> inner space
lol
L564[14:10:14] <Althego> i thought that
was the body
L565[14:10:17] <ve2dmn> it's where
information go to die, and be turned into memes
L566[14:10:24] <Althego> so it is a
drain
L567[14:10:44] <ve2dmn> just like Facebook
and twitter
L568[14:11:00] <ve2dmn> Stuff is usually
abridged beyond usefullness
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L583[15:20:29] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L596[15:44:43] <thelounge73> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: In the interest of public security, I have
taken the liberty of freezing all your bank accounts to secure
tropical vacations.
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L598[15:44:49] <Scolar_Visari> Huh.
L599[15:45:32] <Scolar_Visari> Also, Alan
Stern's co-written a new article about Pluto that's easily summed
up. Alan Stern: "Pluto is a planet!" IAU: "No, it's
not."
L600[15:46:07] <ve2dmn> How do you freeze
something that's tropical?
L601[15:46:29] <SnoopJeDi> Bose-Einstein
condensation?
L602[15:46:39] <Scolar_Visari> Liquid
helium.
L603[15:48:00] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: how
big is pluto compared to the biggest asteroid belt object?
L604[15:48:41] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Pluto is considerably more massive than Ceres, but the mass alone
is irrelevant.
L605[15:49:07] <ve2dmn> but mass
matter
L606[15:50:15] <Scolar_Visari> Currently,
the IAU defines planets largely by their astrodynamical
characteristics, rather than astrophysical characteristics.
Amusingly, Stern originally proposed using the former definition
before turning to the latter.
L607[15:50:44] <Fluburtur> why are there
mosquittos in my room
L608[15:50:47] <Fluburtur> can we go back
to winter
L609[15:50:55] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur:
NO!
L610[15:50:56] <Scolar_Visari> While Pluto
is more massive than Ceres, neither have cleared their
neighborhoods by any definition by a long shot.
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L612[15:51:07] <Fluburtur> yes
L613[15:51:08] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
The mosquitoes are exploiting an ecological niche.
L614[15:51:24] <Fluburtur> or at least two
months ago when it wasn't so warm and there was no
mosquittoes
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L623[16:11:57] <Rokker> Fluburtur: planes
of Fame is amazing
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L637[16:57:23] <dsockwell> Is it possible
with KAS to move an engineer around after grabbing a part, without
having to put the part in a container?
L638[16:58:18] <dsockwell> the part i want
to move is lightweight but takes up an enormous volume
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L640[17:04:28] <Supercheese> some KIS/KAS
parts can be flagged as able to be "Carried on back / as
backpack"
L641[17:04:42] <Supercheese> which would
allow a Kerbal to drag it around
L642[17:05:22] <dsockwell> i actually
havent tried that, im basing my volume idea on trying to put the
part in a container in VAB
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L644[17:06:25] <dsockwell> are the RCS
controls actually locked in KAS grab/drop mode or are they just
bound to the same keys as the part rotation controls?
L645[17:06:45] <dsockwell> if i rebound
them to, say, a joystick, could i move around with a part?
L646[17:07:27] <dsockwell> >max
desitnation volume reached, +38,000L
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L650[17:37:06] <dsockwell> binding
alternate EVA pack controls didn't work either
L651[17:37:15] <dsockwell> since when is
carrying things such a foreign concept
L652[17:41:56] <Draconiator> If you don't
do a slight correction, what are the odds of smacking into Gilly
when coming in interplanetary to Eve? I think I got a Gilly
intercept one time...pretty odd because it's so small.
L653[17:42:47] <dsockwell> depends on the
phase of the moon
L654[17:42:54] <dsockwell> i'd expect it's
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L656[17:58:22] <dsockwell> i guess i'll
just temporarily edit the config to give kerbals tremendous EVA
packs and never try doing things this way again
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L663[18:16:04] <dsockwell> how long of a
burn time do you get with those battery packs?
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L665[18:19:10] <Draconiator> I have a
nuclear reactor in the middle, so I guess as long as the fuel holds
out. right now I have 6600 worth.
L666[18:20:24] <dsockwell> oh i thought
that was another big xenon tank
L667[18:20:40] <dsockwell> and those arent
solar panels either
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L669[18:24:59] <Draconiator>
Radiators.
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L990[19:40:01] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Ceres is still not a planet.
L991[19:40:35] <dsockwell> did someone try
to say it was?
L992[19:40:52] <Scolar_Visari> dsockwell:
Alan Stern, in a recent co-authored editorial.
L993[19:41:03] <Scolar_Visari> He's . . .
Never moved on from 2006.
L994[19:42:05] *
UmbralRaptor should be able to find sources claiming that Ceres is
a planet… from the 19th century.
L995[19:42:11] <dsockwell> tbh it's been
time for a formal classification of dwarf planets and large
asteroids
L996[19:43:12] <dsockwell> but the
difference of being the only (or close enough) object in its own
specific orbit to within whatever tolerance is important
L997[19:43:44] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: Of greater interest are unanalyzed photographic
plates from the same century!
L998[19:44:09] <UmbralRaptor> !!!
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L1000[19:45:03] *
UmbralRaptor wonders if the plates could help with parallaxes and
proper motions.
L1001[19:45:04] <Scolar_Visari>
dsockwell: While you can use geophysical characteristics, a lot of
small objects are firstly classified by their orbits or obvious
phenomenon (Trojans being in planet-star Lagrange points, comets
emitting tails, etc.).
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L1003[19:45:28] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: I've heard it mentioned they'd be useful for
analyzing certain variable stars and, perhaps, Planet IX. The
*real* Planet IX.
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L1005[19:47:34] <Scolar_Visari> The more
Alan Stern writes about the planet definition nonsense, the more
I'm convinced he simply has an irrational hatred of
astronomers.
L1006[19:47:57] <Scolar_Visari> From his
new article: "Astronomers ignore the new definition of
“planet” every time they discuss all of the exciting discoveries of
planets orbiting other stars. And those of us who actually study
planets for a living also discuss dwarf planets without adding an
asterisk."
L1007[19:48:13] <UmbralRaptor> Maybe the
ghosts of Kozai and Liddov haunt him?
L1008[19:48:36] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: Exorcism is required. Herschel's Holy Water is hard
to come by, though.
L1009[19:49:02] <UmbralRaptor> well,
s/haunted/perturbed/
L1010[19:49:27] <Scolar_Visari> If he's
simply perturbed, that will require a Newtonian Body
Correction.
L1011[19:49:37] <Scolar_Visari> We'll
balance out his humors or he'll die trying!
L1012[19:50:16] *
Scolar_Visari also ponders what business an astrobiologist had
cowriting Alan Stern's editorial.
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L1014[19:53:19] <Scolar_Visari>
Amusingly, I *did* find a New Horizons based paper in which the
abstract starts out with, "The Pluto dwarf planet"!
Leyrat's et al.'s, "Predicted Antenna Temperatures Measured by
REX/New Horizons During The Pluto’s Flyby/Probing the sub-surface
in Microwave".
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L1016[19:55:07] *
Scolar_Visari is actually interested in a meta-paper which would
tally up the amount of times people use a non-IAU definition in
reference to planets.
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L1018[20:00:26] <UmbralRaptor> That would
be interesting.
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L1020[20:02:53] <Scolar_Visari> More
Horizons related papers directly mention Pluto as a dwarf planet
than I would have thought, though Stern co-authored ones do
not!
L1021[20:04:37] <ConductorCat> :3
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L1023[20:16:51] <Scolar_Visari> In ur
system, perturbing your planetary embryos: Clement et al.'s,
"Mars' Growth Stunted by an Early Giant Planet
Instability" Icarus 2018
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1804.04233.pdf
L1024[20:17:28] *
Scolar_Visari notes with great amusement that the Clement et al.
paper dismisses a big chunk of the Rare Earth conceit of a
benevolent Jupiter.
L1025[20:20:16] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
so im arguing with someone about china and how they might be a
little bit irresponsible with spend stages and the lack of abort
capabilities
L1026[20:20:29] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
and this dummy tells me that you cant abort a rocket launch
L1027[20:24:38] *
Scolar_Visari turns the range safety detonation key, uncovers the
button and depresses it.
L1028[20:27:56] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
"aborting" a launch is not something that is really
possible. If you lose guidance, how are you supposed to guide the
rocket away? At that point, it is just a flying dumb bomb filled
with tons of toxic and explosive fuel. If you have a way to avoid
losing a rocket if guidance fails, you NEED to go work at NASA,
ESA, or any other space program, because we don't have one. Heck,
the Russians had a rocket crash because they
L1029[20:27:56] <Rokker> mounted a sensor
upside down. It's called rocket science for a reason. It's pretty
hard.
L1030[20:32:35] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: i
honestly dont know what hes doing on a space subreddit if he doesnt
understand the concept of flight termination
L1031[20:32:41] <Scolar_Visari> There's
little need to guide a failed rocket away if the ordinance atomizes
it.
L1032[20:33:13] <Scolar_Visari> I presume
they're on there the same reason electric universe trolls
periodically invade mainstream physics communities.
L1033[20:36:48] <Rokker> like my entire
point was that China treats their people a bit more expendably than
america. I pointed to them dropping rocket stages near villages
regularly and the fact that a simple FTS system could have made
Intelsat 708 a whole lot less awful
L1034[20:37:01] <Rokker> and he comes out
with "abort isn't possible"
L1035[20:37:27] <Rokker> like the entire
point of an abort system is for IF ITS OUT OF CONTROL
L1036[20:37:32] <Rokker> like jeez
L1037[20:39:09] <Rokker> he really got to
me with his Chinese defending crap
L1038[20:39:35] <Scolar_Visari> Mind you,
there has been a new launch facility developed since that time with
a superior range.
L1039[20:41:12] <Scolar_Visari> The
Xichang launch facility may be mothballed entirely, as I understand
it.
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L1041[20:41:54] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
I'll believe it when they actually start launching Long March
2(letters) from it
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L1043[20:43:55] <Scolar_Visari> The CNSA
has already started launching rockets from Wenchang, including the
25 metric ton to LEO CZ-5.
L1044[20:44:20] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
the reason I brought it up is that it happened on their recent
LM-3B launch
L1045[20:45:31] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
ok but the LM-5 is its ONLY capability atm
L1046[20:45:31] <Scolar_Visari> Launch
failures are a fact of life.
L1047[20:45:49] <Rokker> Launches hitting
villages isnt
L1048[20:46:04] <Rokker> it's
preventable
L1049[20:46:06] <Scolar_Visari> Uh . . .
No. The first launch from Wenchang was the CZ-7, which is intended
to replace older LVs.
L1050[20:46:41] <Rokker> oh right
L1051[20:46:55] <Rokker> still. they sure
are taking their time fixing it
L1053[20:48:01] <kmath> <AJ_FI>
Rocket debris near a town in Guizhou province following the Long
March 3B launch of Apstar-6C satellite on May 3.
https://t.co/rCH5wD8yhr
L1054[20:48:24] <Rokker> might be the
closest I've ever seen one land to a village other than that engine
that hit a dudes house
L1055[20:51:08] <Scolar_Visari> It's
worth keeping in mind that China has a considerable annual launch
volume.
L1056[20:52:16] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
America hadn't really risked hitting anyone's houses since we
killed a Cuban cow
L1057[20:52:20] *
Scolar_Visari notes Russian spent stages impact farm land down
range all the time.
L1058[20:52:27] <Rokker> Russia sucks
too
L1059[20:52:45] <Scolar_Visari> Rokker:
NO, but the United States also happens to have more convenient
transportation and security considerations.
L1060[20:52:46] <Rokker> but at least
Siberia isn't that populous, at least vs china
L1061[20:53:01] <Scolar_Visari>
Kazakhstan is not Siberia.
L1062[20:53:35] <Rokker> the stages don't
land in Kazakhstan too often afaik
L1064[20:55:09] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
clearly those considerations no longer apply to China since they
now have wencheng yet they are dragging their feet to fix it for
the other launches
L1065[20:56:08] <Rokker> I always
understood it to be more Siberia than Kazakhstan, maybe I was
wrong
L1066[20:56:10] <Scolar_Visari> It takes
time and, in this particular case, is not as relevant since they're
planning on phasing out older LVs.
L1067[20:56:32] <Rokker> I'm just saying
this wouldn't exactly fly in america
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L1069[20:56:55] <Rokker> Not
anymore
L1070[20:57:24] <Scolar_Visari> Again,
America had a far, far, far more convenient infrastructure and
geographical background.
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L1072[20:58:07] <Scolar_Visari> There
were also different privacy concerns. Baikonur was so used because
it was physically isolated, whereas there's no comparable point in
the continental United States.
L1073[20:59:19] <Rokker> uhhh
L1074[20:59:32] <Rokker> I mean there
kinda is
L1075[20:59:54] <Scolar_Visari> Except
for that part where the U.S. has a higher population in a smaller
space than Russia.
L1076[20:59:55] <Rokker> we just realized
launching from the coasts is easier and safer
L1078[21:02:25] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
america absolutely could have stuck a launch site in the western
desert areas and been fine
L1079[21:02:31] <Rokker> like near area
51
L1080[21:02:42] <Rokker> but we
didnt
L1081[21:02:43] <Scolar_Visari> You know,
which is next to Roswell, New Mexico.
L1082[21:03:05] <Scolar_Visari> The
American West is much, much, much more populated than
Siberia.
L1083[21:03:06] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
um what
L1084[21:03:09] <Rokker> UM WHAT
L1085[21:03:23] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
geography doesnt work like you think it does
L1086[21:03:31] *
Scolar_Visari points out the inexplicable metreopolises of Las
Vegas and Phoenix.
L1087[21:03:59] <Scolar_Visari> I'm not
sure you're noticing the big blots on the map there in the U.S.
west that don't have counterparts in Siberia.
L1088[21:04:14] <Scolar_Visari> Or
central Kazakhstan, for that matter.
L1089[21:04:17] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
tell me how in the world nevada is near new mexico
L1090[21:04:43] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
theres kinda a whole state separating them
L1091[21:04:55] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
also, we made white sands and the nevada test ranges work
L1092[21:06:08] <Rokker> Area 51 is 14
hours drive time from roswell
L1093[21:08:33] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: I
think you will find that a launch site in the Nevada nuclear test
range could have had a wide range of non-populous area hitting
orbits it could have made
L1094[21:09:21] <Scolar_Visari> Confusing
it with White Sands, at any length: No, it still would not have
worked as well as Baikonur did.
L1095[21:10:16] *
Scolar_Visari notes hitting non-populated areas would've also been
difficult given the Mississippi River Valley is invariable down
range.
L1096[21:11:10] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
yeah, well kamchatka and china are downrange of baikonur, but that
far downrange they kinda stop worrying
L1097[21:11:32] <Rokker> you dont see
NOTAMS blocking off far downrange areas for rocket launches
L1098[21:12:34] <Scolar_Visari> The
Mississippi's close enough to be a concern.
L1099[21:13:36] <Rokker> anyways this
isnt about russia and their dumb practices
L1100[21:13:50] <Rokker> this is about
china, who has a pretty populous coastline themselves
L1101[21:15:08] <Scolar_Visari> Again,
their flagship LV family will be launching from Wenchang, as will
any super heavy LVs.
L1102[21:15:57] <Rokker> they arent
fixing it fast enough imo
L1103[21:16:05] <Rokker> they need to
ramp it up faster
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L1105[21:16:24] <Rokker> the fact that
nobody has been hit by these stages is luck more than anything
else
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L1108[21:18:22] <Scolar_Visari> Your
opinion does not take into account economic and infrastructural
limitations. Setting up launch sites its difficult, expensive
work.
L1109[21:18:54] <Scolar_Visari> There
really is no particularly hurry, particularly since debris impacts
from spent stages aren't really an enormous risk in practice.
L1110[21:19:36] <Scolar_Visari> I can't
imagine transporting CZ-3 LVs to a place never meant to house them
being very cheap, either.
L1111[21:20:14] <Rokker> i cant imagine
the US even taking a risk like this, regardless of infrastructure
and economic limitations
L1112[21:20:19] <Rokker> or europe
L1113[21:21:11] <Scolar_Visari> The
United States, again, already had a built up infrastructure that
made coastal launches convenient.
L1114[21:22:24] <Scolar_Visari> A lot of
those inland Russian and Chinese launch sites also double as high
inclination launch areas, which is a very important consideration
in military aerospace.
L1115[21:23:29] <Scolar_Visari> And,
again: Baikonur and Inner Mongolia were very physically isolated
and easy to secure. The U.S. could not expect such privacy in even
the most remote areas.
L1116[21:25:13] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
I'm saying, let's imagine the US and China switched place. same
cultural dead, just switched geographical settings, I can't imagine
America doing what China did
L1117[21:25:16] <Scolar_Visari> They
wouldn't need spy satellites or recon planes to do what a wayward
Cesna pilot or Vegas tourist could do on the cheap.
L1118[21:26:10] *
Scolar_Visari points to open air nuclear testing near populated
areas.
L1119[21:28:45] <Rokker> anyways
L1120[21:28:56] <Rokker> if China really
career they would add FTS
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L1123[21:32:40] <Scolar_Visari> I'm not
sure whether any of the last failures would have involved the use
of ordinance.
L1124[21:35:33] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: i
guarantee Intelsat 708 would have benefitted
L1125[21:38:07] <Scolar_Visari> It may
have very well had ordinance installed but the RSO may have elected
(or simply failed) to activate it.
L1126[21:41:18] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
nah, chinese rockets didnt and, afaik, do not have FTS
L1127[21:42:36] <Scolar_Visari> When
CRS-7 failed, it didn't receive a destruct signal until 70 seconds
after it had veering off course.
L1128[21:43:31] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
this was a bit more clear of a deviation from course than
CRS-7
L1129[21:44:07] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
the simple fact that they dont even have FTS speaks volumes
imo
L1130[21:44:40] <Scolar_Visari> That's
funny . . . The manual for the LM-3A series explicitly describes
its manual and automatic destruct sequences.
L1131[21:46:02] <Scolar_Visari> As does
the CZ-2E's manual.
L1132[21:46:17] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: i
swear i read they didnt, dont remember where, might have been
NSF
L1133[21:47:41] <Scolar_Visari> Given
their attraction to the EmDrive, I can see why they might have
ignored documentation for the various CZ vehicles.
L1134[21:48:21] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
they are the best source of a lot of LV documentation honestl
L1136[21:50:13] <Scolar_Visari> If they
had people arguing that the Long March family lacked ordinance, I'm
going to highly doubt that. Being a commercial LV, this would (and
has been) very, very easy to verify.
L1137[21:51:46] <Rokker> i would like to
see one from pre-99
L1138[21:51:52] <Rokker> like 96
L1139[21:53:29] <Scolar_Visari> According
to the Space Review, all rockets since at least the CZ-2 have had
ordinance installed. In the case of the Intelsat disaster, it
appears it was simply activated too late (there being a period of
time where the rocket *can't* be detonated to avoid pad
damage).
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L1142[21:54:47] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
god forbid they damage the pad instead of killing a million
people
L1143[21:55:23] <Rokker> Orbital ATK does
it right
L1144[21:55:25] <Scolar_Visari> I don't
think the highest estimates come close to a million.
L1145[21:55:35] <Rokker> blow up all the
pads
L1146[21:55:49] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
hyperbole
L1147[21:57:25] <Supercheese> So if a
hyperbole is a greatly exaggerated statement... what sort of
statement is a parabole?
L1148[21:58:15] <Scolar_Visari>
Supercheese: An escape statement.
L1149[21:58:29] <Scolar_Visari> Parabolic
rhetoric, if you will.
L1151[22:00:12] <Scolar_Visari> IE:
"That's speed dater's alleged cat allergies was just parabolic
rhetoric to exit the conversation's orbit."
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L1153[22:01:40] <Scolar_Visari> IE2:
"When that KSP Executive changed the subject from yesterday's
launch failure to KerbalX's launch failure last year, they were
putting the subject on a parabolic rhetoric exit."
L1154[22:03:22] <Rokker> im off to
bed
L1155[22:03:43] <Scolar_Visari> You can
read the CZ manual of operations as a bedtime story.
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points.
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Retrorocket ramjet return?
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