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L1[00:12:16] <Rokker> UmbralRaptop: oooo i spotted siding spring
L2[00:15:19] <Rokker> UmbralRaptop: I remember when the first news came out about siding spring. it was all very exciting
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L7[01:25:20] <oren> https://imgur.com/H1QYpFe
L8[01:25:20] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/H1QYpFe.jpg
L9[01:25:43] <Althego> space train
L10[01:25:55] <oren> space train arriving at duna, choo choo
L11[01:26:24] <Althego> when in bttf 3 the doc sounds the whistle on the train and mentions he always wanted to do that
L12[01:27:54] <oren> https://imgur.com/SXaq35I
L13[01:27:55] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/SXaq35I.png
L14[01:28:21] <Althego> why is it that long and that many modules?
L15[01:31:36] <oren> Althego: bringing fuel for multiple landings, plus an entire space station
L16[01:32:01] <Althego> space train station
L17[01:32:25] <oren> including farm module for infinite life support despitew its high weight
L18[01:32:44] <oren> and a nuclear reactor
L19[01:33:23] <Althego> i read that china wants a biology experiment on the moon. with growing plants and some caterpilalrs or something
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L21[01:57:21] <Rokker> Althego: blegh
L22[01:57:22] <Rokker> china
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L24[01:57:37] <Althego> is that one of your triggers?
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L26[01:58:30] <Rokker> Althego: oh no, I love people responsible for the single worst debris causing event in space exploration history
L27[01:58:39] <Althego> hehe
L28[01:58:40] <Rokker> one that won't be rectified for decades
L29[02:09:55] <Althego> that is what you are worried about? never mind we collectively doomed earth already
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L70[06:29:34] <Fluburtur> k time to make the new nozzle mold
L71[06:29:47] <Fluburtur> then maybe tomorrow I can fire a rocket with the mk3 nozzle
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L74[06:38:14] <Mat2ch> Mold sounds like hot. I don't like "hot" right now
L75[06:38:22] <Mat2ch> It's not even summer and we have 30° C
L76[06:38:37] <Fluburtur> yeah im melting
L77[06:38:39] <kubi> it was 25 yesterday here in Stockholm
L78[06:38:46] <kubi> summer
L79[06:38:57] <kubi> I fear that summer was yesterday :)
L80[06:39:21] <Mat2ch> I don't. I fear that climate change will result in > 40° C here :|
L81[06:39:31] <Mat2ch> We typically have no AC here
L82[06:39:38] <Mat2ch> Almost unbearable
L83[06:39:56] <Mat2ch> And since this is rented I have no idea where to put an AC here :|
L84[06:39:57] <Fluburtur> apparently having my fuel a bit more oxydizer rich could help stop the oscillations
L85[06:40:06] <Fluburtur> it's called "chuffing" apparently
L86[06:40:17] <Mat2ch> Oh, great idea
L87[06:40:21] <Mat2ch> wanna see that :)
L88[06:40:45] <Fluburtur> well I already have fuel pre-mixed so I will try with the new nozzle first
L89[06:42:18] <Fluburtur> also I will try to improve the ignition method
L90[06:43:12] <Fluburtur> I usually pour some black powder to the bottom of the rocket and put the ignition cord in that but next time I will put some cotton to hold it at the bottom of the engine this way it all burns inside the engine and makes for a cleaner start
L91[06:43:15] <Mat2ch> And moar screws!
L92[06:43:24] <Althego> or moe screws :)
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L94[06:50:33] <Fluburtur> the new nozzle should be stronger and have less back presure and smoother flow
L95[06:50:37] <Fluburtur> so I hope it will work
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L97[06:58:33] <Althego> my back has been killing me all day
L98[06:59:09] <Fluburtur> kill it
L99[07:13:45] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5brXkwrAnc
L100[07:13:46] <kmath> YouTube - NASA EDGE: Low-Boom Flight Demonstration
L101[07:13:54] <Althego> maybe supersonic planes are making acomeback
L102[07:18:22] <Althego> looks something like a kerbal would use
L103[07:37:33] <Mat2ch> I hope they solve the climate impact, before they have a comeback...
L104[07:38:04] <Althego> not as long as they burn hydrocarbons
L105[07:38:32] <Mat2ch> you could create that out of thin air and sunshine
L106[07:38:47] <Althego> would take a long time
L107[07:38:57] <Mat2ch> nah, just huge solar plants
L108[07:39:06] <Althego> and that is the issue, we are burning through this stuff that was collected in millions of years
L109[07:39:07] <Mat2ch> there's enough space in some of our deserts
L110[07:39:14] <Althego> all plants are solar :)
L111[07:39:31] <Mat2ch> the other plant :P
L112[07:40:56] <Althego> there is biodiesel
L113[07:41:17] <Mat2ch> which needs huge agricultural space and eats a lot of water
L114[07:41:22] <Althego> but i dont know about biofuels for planes
L115[07:41:36] <Althego> probably still more efficient than anything we could come up with
L116[07:41:36] <TheKosmonaut> Bioplanes
L117[07:41:40] <Althego> birds
L118[07:41:48] <TheKosmonaut> They had them in the Flintstones
L119[07:41:54] <Fluburtur> there was the weed plane thing
L120[07:42:00] <Mat2ch> Althego: I'm talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanation
L121[07:42:05] <Fluburtur> plane made of hemp fibers and hemp based fuel
L122[07:42:48] <Mat2ch> use solar energy, split Water in H2 and O2, release the O2, use CO2 from the atmosphere, make methane
L123[07:53:41] <APlayer> That's called Bosch-Haber, isn't it?
L124[07:53:57] <APlayer> Wait, no, it isn't
L125[07:59:18] <Fluburtur> I should probably start cooking some fuel
L126[08:05:46] <Althego> do you eat it too?
L127[08:05:58] <Fluburtur> I rthink I could
L128[08:18:35] <Fluburtur> I think I will put a metal wire frame inside the nozzle to keep it from cracking
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L171[12:25:22] * APlayer buys a gravestone for #KSPOfficial
L172[12:25:39] <Flub2> lel
L173[12:25:41] <APlayer> Did someone forget to unmute it?
L174[12:25:51] <Flub2> any news on your quad?
L175[12:25:55] <APlayer> Yes
L176[12:26:10] <APlayer> It flew. A bit too enthusiastically, even, heh
L177[12:26:15] <Flub2> nice
L178[12:26:18] <Flub2> do you have video?
L179[12:26:39] <APlayer> I may take a picture of the aftermath, more like
L180[12:26:43] <Althego> here lies kspo, launched once too many
L181[12:27:34] <APlayer> So we implemented a control algorithm with PID loop. Did run a few tests of the tuning while holding it the hand, also made it successfully take off and cut motor power after 3 seconds
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L183[12:29:00] <APlayer> Seemed to be stable. Then we went on and attempted a 10 second hover with thrust slightly below 1 G (so it would ideally descend slowly). 10 seconds was enough to uncover an unstability in the PID loop, so it crashed a bit and a motor ripped off because the propeller collided with a table
L184[12:29:24] <Flub2> well that's pretty nice
L185[12:29:35] <Flub2> didn't you have a soft testing surface?
L186[12:30:07] <APlayer> Propeller kept spinning and tangled itself around its cable, resulting in broken wires where the isolating tube ended and the motors windings began
L187[12:30:20] <Flub2> uh that's bad
L188[12:30:29] <Flub2> time to integrate a safety cutoff then
L189[12:30:34] <APlayer> I don't think that's recoverable, but we ordered spares now. Should be there by the end of next week
L190[12:31:00] <Flub2> nah when wires are broken too close to the motor is is very hard to fix
L191[12:31:00] <APlayer> Flub2: Safety cutoff currently only reacts to pitch/roll angles of more than 60 deg in either direction
L192[12:31:17] <Flub2> should cut if it loses control or if therr
L193[12:31:21] <Flub2> if there is a shock
L194[12:31:21] <APlayer> Should add another one add sudden accelerations
L195[12:31:46] <APlayer> Can't easily detect in-loop if it lost control
L196[12:32:21] <APlayer> Uh, I meant to say "Should add another one for sudden accelerations"
L197[12:33:33] <Flub2> I guess you could make a "lost control" safety if the quad is out of the wanted flight conditions for too long
L198[12:35:53] <APlayer> if it's used the vibrations of the floor would interfere with sensor calibration.
L199[12:35:53] <APlayer> As for testing surfaces... We went for an indoors test, could have done it outdoors too. Outdoors we have a beach volleyball place with sand, but I fear the sand could damage it. Or we could do it on the grass, which might be uneven. Indoors, there would be a room which is largely empty and carpeted, should probably have used that. Also, there would be the school gym, but it's almost never entirely empty, and
L200[12:37:00] <APlayer> I think I'd rather just lower the threshold angle from 60 deg to 20 or so. Because 20 is sufficiently large to be outside of normal and intended if I just want to hover.
L201[12:37:12] <Flub2> yeah
L202[12:37:32] <Flub2> time to fine tune the pid then
L203[12:37:48] <APlayer> Also, high accelerometer or gyroscope readings should be a red flag too
L204[12:38:02] <Flub2> yeah
L205[12:38:48] <APlayer> Though high gyroscope readings almost seem normal. I was surprised to see my KD of the PID to be 0.0002 or so (with min/max output being -0.25/0.25)
L206[12:42:39] <APlayer> I am somewhat lost regarding how to safely test the quad, though. 3 seconds was not enough, apparently, and 10 seconds was way too much.
L207[12:44:01] <APlayer> Also, even in an ideal place where it has nothing to collide with and the surface is soft, such as grass, still consider the scenario where it hits someone of the people who are testing it
L208[12:45:55] <Flub2> well it isn't very big so shouldn't be very dangerous
L209[12:47:34] <Flub2> I guess if you can log flight data it would make it easier to tune the pid
L210[12:47:44] <Flub2> then it should be able to hover stabily forever
L211[12:49:07] <APlayer> I could log data to the EEPROM, actually
L212[12:49:47] <APlayer> It's only 1 kb in size, though, and my loop runs at more than 100 Hz, IIRC
L213[12:51:21] <Flub2> you can only log parts of it then
L214[12:51:31] <APlayer> What I did consider was to start it with an Arduino -> PC cable on it. But that's guaranteed to rip off the Arduino and sensors from the frame, might damage the computer and adds general problems because there would be a cable hanging on its side.
L215[12:51:40] <Flub2> most flight controllers can log flight data and you can set it to log a certain percentage
L216[12:52:03] <APlayer> I could indeed log, for example, once every 200 ms
L217[12:53:59] <APlayer> Quick calculation says I have just enough memory to log two floats every 100 ms for 12.5 seconds
L218[12:54:09] <APlayer> Should be enough, I think
L219[12:54:31] <Flub2> yeah
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L222[13:09:05] <Lyneira> Took a while but I finally got my hoverjet to Laythe in New Horizons... Derso looks neat over there through Laythe's atmo :O https://puu.sh/A7LNU/8a29a78b12.jpg
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L228[14:10:51] <Flub2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/437329351394983937/20180421204010_1.jpg
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L234[14:46:18] <Guest98481> Hey all, Does anyone know, but I think I know the answer... if you do a cheat it will default to sandbox?
L235[14:46:31] <APlayer> Sorry?
L236[14:47:24] <Guest98481> if you do a cheat, it will change your "title" that you give your game a "sandbox" default name
L237[14:48:36] <Guest98481> even if I do a small change, it changes my title to blah blah_sandbox
L238[14:48:57] <APlayer> What do you mean by "cheat"?
L239[14:49:37] <Guest98481> if you modify the paramaters
L240[14:49:50] <APlayer> In the settings?
L241[14:49:54] <Guest98481> go into debug..
L242[14:50:08] <APlayer> That should not turn your game into a sandbox either
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L244[14:50:14] <Guest98481> hmmm
L245[14:50:24] <Guest98481> It does when I change things
L246[14:50:37] <Guest98481> takes away my M/C
L247[14:50:50] <Guest98481> but I can change everything else
L248[14:51:15] <Guest98481> money, points tech
L249[14:53:21] <APlayer> That's weird. I don't know why it does that.
L250[14:53:48] <Guest98481> I know, but that's one way of having people become a super player
L251[14:54:07] <Guest98481> I mean stopping
L252[14:56:47] <APlayer> I don't think that's intended. The debug menu is for debugging, not for cheating and/or cheat control
L253[14:57:14] <Guest98481> Its kind of arguious (However you spell it) to try and accomplish things in normal mode
L254[14:58:43] <Guest98481> you would think that for debug, they would have a separate control instead of having access to evrything
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L257[14:59:30] <Guest98481> you know what I mean
L258[15:00:51] <Guest98481> I didn't think this would be this difficult even on easy mode
L259[15:01:25] <Guest98481> thanks
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L266[15:20:25] <Flub2> https://78.media.tumblr.com/c685dd387ed109afb42e8d32e8777037/tumblr_inline_p70amaHYEf1r9vqxq_500.jpg
L267[15:24:33] <legion> looks like someone was inspired by 7 days to die...
L268[15:24:52] <APlayer> "tumblr_inline" in the URL seems appropriate
L269[15:24:58] <Flub2> it's the standard toilets of the scp foundation sites
L270[15:25:07] <Flub2> gotta save space for dem containmetn chambers
L271[15:25:54] <APlayer> That's rare footage from the Astronaut Complex
L272[15:26:51] <Flub2> uh a lot of youtubers are making references to joerg sprave
L273[15:27:05] <Flub2> like "say hello to my little friend" or "let me show you its features"
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L282[15:53:48] <Flub2> https://78.media.tumblr.com/aa0ef752c4b88f9d5a1982a2fe560498/tumblr_p7gyu15PJp1r539hzo1_400.gif
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L286[16:04:28] <Mat2ch> Flub2: How did your test go?
L287[16:04:38] <Flub2> didn't test yet
L288[16:04:46] <Flub2> nozzle is still in the mold
L289[16:04:56] <Flub2> I need to let them dry for like 24 hours
L290[16:05:14] <Flub2> so tomorrow I will cook the fuel and will test tomorrow night or maybe the day after
L291[16:05:31] <Flub2> when I get a good nozzle design I will make a lot of molds so I can make a lot of nozzles at once
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L299[17:04:44] <Flub2> Mat2ch https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405528003997859842/437372969195536384/DSC_8804.JPG
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L304[18:00:36] <Mat2ch> Flub2: ok...
L305[18:00:49] <Flub2> wire frame to hold it together
L306[18:01:33] <Flub2> idk if that will do much
L307[18:03:56] <Mat2ch> it works in reinforced concrete
L308[18:04:09] <Mat2ch> but you might want to add more or a net like structure
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L310[18:04:28] <Flub2> well it won't stop nozzle erosion
L311[18:04:38] <Flub2> it's more like to holt it together while in the mold
L312[18:04:56] <Flub2> and if the nozzle is cracked I doubt I will be able to use it
L313[18:05:11] <Flub2> might prevent it from fracturing while burning
L314[18:06:25] <Tortoise767> Anyone know how to determine why a mod is considered "Incompatible" on CKAN, even if it's listed as the latest version?
L315[18:08:08] <Mat2ch> Some mod authors don't upgrade their mods to the newer KSP versions
L316[18:08:33] <Mat2ch> which means they're incompatible
L317[18:08:55] <Tortoise767> " even if it's listed as the latest version?"
L318[18:09:08] <Flub2> I wonder where I can buy EPP foam
L319[18:09:17] <Flub2> whatevre they put in the molds to make foam airplanes
L320[18:09:29] <Mat2ch> yeah, why not?
L321[18:11:14] <Tortoise767> I mean, my mod is updated to the latest version of KSP...It even shows that on CKAN. But it's still listed as incompatible on the CKAN client
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L323[18:28:35] <Mat2ch> Tortoise767: oh, that's what you mean. Sounds like a bug. Ask in the ckan channel: #ckan
L324[18:29:11] <Tortoise767> Ah, didn't know there was a ckan channel. Thanks @Mat2ch
L325[18:29:42] <Mat2ch> :)
L326[18:29:45] <Mat2ch> Nightynight
L327[18:31:14] <Tortoise767> MIGHT
L328[18:31:17] <Tortoise767> caps*
L329[18:31:19] <Tortoise767> night*
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L331[18:45:38] <Flub2> https://78.media.tumblr.com/0187e50e493f677bde4ad2aa2ffbb1b1/tumblr_mfmlyoglOC1r7gy2bo1_540.jpg
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L366[23:55:19] <Blaank> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/251822595723362306/437476296063320064/Screenshot_20180422-005408.png is this legit? He's done crazier things.
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