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L43[05:44:15] <Gasher[work]> Althego,
lmao
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L60[08:11:41] <Rokker> no
L61[08:11:49] <Rokker> just no
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L63[08:18:03] <Rokker> Fluburtur: why would
someone do this to a beautiful DC-3
L64[08:18:30] <Fluburtur> to anger you I
guess
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L66[08:41:25] <Arcan> Rokker: presumably to
enable it to take off and land from extremely short airstrips
L67[08:41:58] <Rokker> Arcan: no
L68[08:42:13] <Rokker> Arcan: it was for
speed
L69[08:42:17] <Arcan> incidentally, that's
operating in the US
L70[08:42:17] <Rokker> but its
disgusting
L71[08:42:50] <Arcan> maybe if a private
individual had done it, but given that's an S&R vehicle
L72[08:43:05] <Arcan> i don't find it that
bad
L73[08:43:07] <Rokker> ive just gone down a
weird rabbit hole of douglas commercial planes
L74[08:43:27] <Rokker> Arcan: if that was
the plane rescuing me, id ask to be thrown back in the water
L75[08:43:39] <Arcan> no you wouldn't
L76[08:45:26] <Rokker> Arcan: you think
youre right, but youre wrong
L78[08:46:48] <Arcan> that particular plane
seems to be owned by polair right now
L79[08:46:57] <Arcan> or it was at some
point in the past
L80[08:47:07] <Rokker> Arcan: like the fact
that that is so hideous vs a Basler BT-67 shows that they are
horrible people with awful taste
L81[08:47:35] <Rokker> anywyas
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L83[08:49:26] <Arcan> Rokker: it appears
that conroy aircraft cannot into DC-3's
L85[08:50:02] <Rokker>
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
L86[08:50:35] <Fluburtur> stahp
L87[08:50:40] <Fluburtur> he's gonna
die
L88[08:50:45] <Althego> hehe
L89[08:51:29] <Rokker> anyways
L90[08:51:33] <Arcan> Rokker: you think
that one looks bad?
L92[08:52:00] <Rokker> Arcan: im aware, ive
been looking at the weird history of DCs for the last few
hours
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L94[08:52:52] <Rokker> well
L95[08:52:58] <Rokker> now im reading about
CNAC
L96[08:53:00] <Rokker> but still
L98[08:56:04] <Rokker> Arcan: a DC-3 was
bombed by the japanese during the 2nd SJ war, outer left wing
destroyed
L99[08:56:27] <Rokker> they ordered a new
wing from Douglas but were afraid it wouldnt get there in
time
L100[08:56:34] <Arcan> what der fu
L101[08:56:35] <Rokker> before the
japanese came back for it
L102[08:56:46] <Rokker> Arcan: so they
stuck a DC-2 wing to it
L103[08:56:57] <FltAdmVonSpiz> this is
like HMS /Zubian/
L104[08:57:06] <Rokker> Arcan: you might
notice it looks a little bit lopsided
L105[08:57:07] <FltAdmVonSpiz> HMS Zulu
had her stern blown off by a mine
L106[08:57:11] <Arcan> this reminds me of
some of burt rutan's crazy aircraft
L107[08:57:15] <FltAdmVonSpiz> HMS Nubian
her bow taken off by a U boat torpedo
L108[08:57:24] <Rokker> FltAdmVonSpiz:
lol
L109[08:57:25] <FltAdmVonSpiz> so they
welded the front half of Zulu onto the stern of Nubian
L110[08:57:33] <Rokker> FltAdmVonSpiz: a
match made in heaven
L111[08:57:47] <FltAdmVonSpiz> supposedly
German anval intelligence went nuts trying to work out where the
secret shipyard was
L112[08:57:54] <FltAdmVonSpiz> that was
building extra escorts
L113[08:58:02] <FltAdmVonSpiz> since they
had no idea where she had come from
L114[08:58:05] <Rokker> lol
L115[08:58:26] <VanDisaster> allied
intelligence had a lot of fun trolling the germans...
L116[08:59:01] <Rokker> Arcan: apparently
my museum also has a weeeeeird Douglas hybrid called the C-39 which
along with its C-38 prototype was a weird combo of douglas
parts
L117[08:59:30] <Rokker> Arcan: Inner wing
and fuselage were DC-3, outer wing and engines were DC-2
L118[08:59:34] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I just have
some vision of an elderly naval architect squinting at the two
ships in dry dock "Smithers, bring me my large
slide-rule"
L119[08:59:35] <Rokker> gear were
B-18
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L122[09:01:43] <VanDisaster> I'm picturing
the two parts ending up in a dockyard used to building landing
craft
L123[09:01:51] <VanDisaster> & the
foreman going "hmmm, you know...."
L124[09:02:58] <VanDisaster> except that
was the ww1 tribals I guess
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L126[09:04:08] <VanDisaster> landing craft
were pretty famous for breaking in half, and then towing the bows
back home with the stern half
L127[09:08:03] <Rokker> Arcan: holy
crap
L128[09:08:10] <Rokker> Arcan: theres a
BT-67 Gunship
L129[09:08:59] <Rokker> wait what
L130[09:09:05] <Rokker> they use gas
powered guns
L131[09:09:15] <Rokker> whats the point of
a gunship without a gatling cannon
L132[09:09:18] <Rokker> BOOOOO
L133[09:11:35] <Rokker> nvm, they have a
minigun
L134[09:11:37] <Rokker> its all good
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L136[09:19:32] <Rokker> Arcan: do you
happen to know why britain is obsessed with top mounting crap to
wings
L137[09:19:48] <Rokker> or was when they
had an aviation industry
L138[09:19:57] <Arcan> no
L139[09:19:57] <Fluburtur> uh saturn will
be out tonight at 2am
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L141[09:20:48] <Fluburtur> im pretty sure
I can get the rings with my telescope
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L146[09:22:04] <Rokker> oops
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L150[09:34:40] <VanDisaster> the jaguar is
mostly french
L151[09:34:49] <VanDisaster> they seem
more obsessed with top-fit stuff
L152[09:38:10] <VanDisaster> the lightning
tanks were there because the wheels took up most of teh wing
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L155[09:39:49] <Rokker> VanDisaster:
britain is just another word for france
L156[09:40:16] <VanDisaster> what would
you canadians know about europe :P
L157[09:41:40] <Rokker> VanDisaster:
Listen. Ive got scandinavian and germanic blood in my veins.
everything south of Denmark is just land for conquering
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L159[09:42:17] <Rokker> VanDisaster:
france, britain, it all belongs to the normans
L160[09:42:45] <VanDisaster> like 90% of
the pop of britain has scandinavian blood at least ...
L161[09:42:48] <oren> Rokker: NEO ANGEVIN
EMPIRE
L162[09:43:31] <VanDisaster> I shuold
point out the last successful invasion was by the dutch
L163[09:43:41] <VanDisaster> altho they
did kinda get invited, so a very strange invasion
L164[09:43:59] <Rokker> VanDisaster: i
love that the vikings so successfully invaded france that they got
offered land in france just so they would stop trying to attack
it
L165[09:44:23] <VanDisaster> they came
here, got offered tea, & never went home
L166[09:47:19] <VanDisaster> the vikings
had some great names
L167[09:47:28] <VanDisaster> who the hell
would want to be called "Ivar the Boneless"
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L171[10:18:39] <RandomJeb>
"everything south of Denmark is just land for conquering"
<--- this but south and east of the baltic sea
L172[10:18:45] <RandomJeb> signed,
norway
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L182[10:55:23] <Cewein> Hello
L183[10:55:54] <Althego> hi
L184[10:55:56] <Mod9000> Hello,
Althego
L185[10:56:00] <Althego> argh
L186[10:56:06] <Althego> most useless
featuer ever
L187[10:56:21] <Cewein> So lately i've
been reading how to getting into ksp modding but the tutorial seem
to be a bit old, any new about it ?
L188[10:58:15] <Althego> maybe somebody
know about that
L189[10:58:19] <Althego> but not me
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L195[11:01:41] <Cewein> Well thanks
anyway
L196[11:02:16] <ve2dmn> Cewein: what do
you want to know?
L197[11:02:58] <Cewein> it's about modding
but I thing there is another IRC chat for that ?$
L198[11:02:59] <ve2dmn> I have a pretty
bad headache right now, but I can still try to answer specific
quesiosn
L199[11:03:18] <ve2dmn> there's
#kspmodding
L200[11:03:23] <Althego> yes there is a
channel but i never know its name because at one point it split in
two
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L202[11:04:40] <Cewein> OH alright thanks
ve2dmn
L203[11:04:51] <ve2dmn> Althego: now it's
3.1, soon it will be modding95, modding98, ME and 2000
L204[11:05:06] <Althego> hehe
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L224[12:37:02] <Althego> hah scott about
star types
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L232[12:59:03] <Rokker> Fluburtur: what in
the name of capitalism is that cancer picture
L233[12:59:17] <Rokker> Fluburtur: not the
duck one, the other one
L234[12:59:44] <Althego> it is your death
:)
L235[13:00:20] <Rokker> Althego: i said
not the duck one
L236[13:03:17] <ve2dmn> Rokker: look at
the url. It's from a game
L237[13:03:59] <Rokker> ve2dmn: looks more
like its the plane that shot down MH-17
L238[13:04:06] <Rokker> MH 17*
L240[13:04:29] <ve2dmn> A game with gems
like "you are all idiots! The Earth is CLEARLY a
CUBE!"
L241[13:04:56] <Rokker> Althego: yeah i
got a phone notification about that and all i could think is
"i neither know nor care"
L242[13:06:03] <Rokker> lemme know when
McCartney dies, until then, meh
L243[13:09:30] <JCB> eh..
L244[13:09:45] <JCB> I'm waiting on the
next global iceage
L245[13:10:26] <Althego> we are still in
one
L246[13:10:32] <Althego> just
interglacial
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L248[13:22:10] <ve2dmn> "Paul
McCartney having been killed and replaced with a lookalike"...
or so does the conspiracy goes
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L251[13:33:17] <JCB> then again.. people
have said the world would blow up, the sun would die, all water
would spontaneously freeze... I just started tuning things out.
Live the moment.
L252[13:35:12] <JCB> anyways,
sorries...
L253[13:35:19] <Althego> even though the
history of life on earth is several billion years long, it has like
1-2 hundred million years left, as the sun gets brighter because of
old age
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L255[13:35:36] <JCB> watching this Scott
video on stars.. now I'm wondering, anyone ever tried making their
own solar system?
L256[13:35:43] <Althego> life will be long
gone before the sun turns into a red giant
L257[13:36:22] <JCB> eh... heard it was
another 5billion years before sun poofs
L258[13:36:45] <JCB> sun is only middle
aged... so we are rather fortunate
L259[13:37:05] <Althego> yes it is much
closer than you would think
L260[13:37:29] <Althego> earth will be too
hot to sustain water long before the sun dies
L261[13:37:55] <Supercheese> Well, I ended
up being able to see the TESS launch, even though I had to pull
over to the side of the road since I didn't make the drive all the
way to Titusville
L262[13:38:01] <Althego> mars could turn
out somewhat ok for a while
L263[13:38:26] <JCB> was a theory running
around, saying if the earth was in a more elliptical orbit, our
oceans would have helped to keep the temperatures somewhat
stable.
L264[13:39:15] <JCB> a million years.. if
humanity was still around, who knows. Maybe we could just simply
move the Earth itself out of harms way
L265[13:40:05] <Supercheese> I was trying
to make it to a good viewpoint, but didn't have enough time. Stupid
toll roads...
L266[13:40:41] <Supercheese> Toll roads
are a bizarre and foreign concept, we do not have them in Idaho or
California
L268[13:47:50] <kmath> YouTube - vtx02
test
L269[13:49:29] <Althego> when comes the
next entropy?
L270[13:49:37] <Fluburtur> idk
L271[13:49:46] <Fluburtur> when I make new
nozzles
L272[13:50:34] <Althego> you know the
soviets could make better pictures decades ago on the surface of
venus :)
L273[13:50:54] <Fluburtur> they didn't buy
super cheap cameras from china
L274[13:51:53] <JCB> Yay! I found the wire
I wanted for building my antenna... hoping to do some ham-sat
receiving down the road.
L275[13:52:12] <Althego> what sat?
L276[13:54:13] <Fluburtur> I have a nice
conspiracy theory idea
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L278[13:54:31] <Fluburtur> volcanoes are
actually giant engine bells made to thrust earth aroudn
L279[13:54:39] <Fluburtur> man many
peoples would believe that
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L282[13:54:56] <Althego> doesnt work
L283[13:55:03] <Althego> see the
corresponding manley video
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L285[13:55:23] <Althego> any thrustyou
would get from them is negated by the atmosphere
L286[13:55:32] <Fluburtur> Althego,
conspiracy peoples don't know anything about anything and only care
about stuff that confirms what they say
L287[13:55:58] <Fluburtur> just the
argument that some craters are somewhat bell shaped would be
enough
L288[13:56:00] <ve2dmn> Althego: any valid
argument you have is diregarded when talking about
conspiracies
L289[13:56:01] <UmbralRaptop> Also,
gravity.
L290[13:56:09] <Fluburtur> and do you
expect those idiots to know how a rocket actually works?
L291[13:56:16] <Althego> hehe
L292[13:56:19] <Althego> they dont know
that
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L294[13:56:59] <Althego> when more than a
decade ago i read the argument "what does the rocket pushes
against", i thought there cant be many idiots of this level.
apparently there are
L295[13:57:16] <Fluburtur> many peoples
think that
L296[13:57:36] <Fluburtur> mostly peoples
that don't actually know how they work and not peoples that believe
they have to push on stuff
L297[13:57:44] <Fluburtur> and well, they
do actually push on stuff
L298[13:58:01] <Althego> yes, on the
exhaust
L299[13:58:05] <JCB> Althego Re: What sat?
~any... basically see what comes over my area.
L300[13:58:10] <ve2dmn> It push against
inertia
L301[13:58:20] <Althego> but they mean the
exhaust needs to push against
L302[13:59:01] <JCB> lol... thrusters on
earth... gotta wonder how the death star even moves around
L303[13:59:14] <Althego> the death star
doesnt have any atmosphere
L304[13:59:23] <ve2dmn> JCB: magic, of
course
L305[13:59:24] <JCB> no but its basically
a 'small moon'
L306[13:59:25] <Althego> also it has the
most powerful known energy source
L307[13:59:47] <JCB> then again.. I come
across stuff talking about using mini black holes as a power source
for interstellar travel
L308[14:00:03] <Althego> romulan ships use
those :)
L309[14:00:25] <JCB> ya.. quantum
singularities.. but didn't say exactly which
L310[14:00:33] <ve2dmn> JCB: black hole do
have an incredible mass-energy conversion rate
L311[14:00:48] <JCB> they also mind
mummingly small
L312[14:00:53] <JCB> ugh..
L313[14:01:00] <JCB> I mean..
heavy..
L314[14:01:04] <Althego> but dont small
black holes evaporate?
L315[14:01:22] <ve2dmn> Althego: define
'small' in that case
L316[14:01:24] <Althego> otherwise you
would need to move the huge mass of the black hole with your
ship
L317[14:01:47] <JCB> wasn't there a limit
on how many solar masses small a black hole could be?
L318[14:01:59] <Althego> naturally
occuring
L319[14:02:12] <Althego> there was some
small chance for smaller primordial black holes
L320[14:02:26] <Althego> they were never
found, or rather the explosions they should have created after they
ecaporate
L321[14:02:33] <JCB> you need something
with enough mass to generate stupid amounts of gravity... enough to
squish solid matter down to a pin prick
L322[14:03:19] <ve2dmn> So, if I
understand correctly, there are no black holes that are lower then
1 solar mass in existance?
L323[14:04:08] <JCB> well if it were
created with less than a solar mass, our sun would have gone dark
long ago
L324[14:04:53] <Althego> there is also a
nice theoretical idea, you could put enough energy into a focused
point, that its mass creates a black hole :)
L325[14:04:55] <ve2dmn> And at limit does
a black hole stop being if you bombard it with anti-mater?
L326[14:05:19] <Althego> it is called the
kugelblitz
L327[14:05:32] <Althego> which still
doesnt make it a ball lightning
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L329[14:06:53] <ve2dmn> What happens to a
black hole which has, say, the mass of the earth?
L330[14:07:10] <ve2dmn> Does it evaporate
under a few instant?
L331[14:07:17] <Althego> the smaller the
black hole the faster it evaporates
L332[14:07:21] <Althego> probably
not
L333[14:07:35] <Althego> it had to be
really small for that
L334[14:07:50] <legion> best answer: we
don't know (yet).
L335[14:07:52] <JCB> trouble is... how do
you get something heavy enough, squished down to a small enough
size, that it creates a high enough gravity gradient
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L337[14:08:02] <Althego> we havent even
seen a black hole yet
L338[14:08:08] <ve2dmn> So what's the
event horizon size of a black hole the mass of the earth?
L339[14:08:08] <Althego> but soon we will
havea picture :)
L340[14:08:31] <Althego> those are
relatively easy to calculate, look it up on wiki :)
L341[14:08:33] <legion> how can you have
apicture of something that can't reflect light?
L342[14:08:44] <Althego> a picture of the
event horizon
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L344[14:08:51] <Althego> as it bends
light
L345[14:08:53] <JCB> naturally, some are
saying 2-3 solar masses after a neutrino star is formed, a chance a
black hole may form.
L346[14:08:55] <legion> that isn't the
black hole
L347[14:09:00] <Althego> it is
L348[14:09:16] <ve2dmn> Althego: my
headache makes math hard. I'll check laters
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L351[14:09:35] <JCB> where light bends as
well as radiated energy... if its a spiral black hole
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L354[14:15:56] <ve2dmn> legion: just like
a perfect mirror cannot be directly observed :)
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L356[14:17:35] <Rokker> I'm hearing
rumblings of a new Lockmart fighter
L357[14:17:48] <Rokker> based on F-22 and
F-35
L358[14:18:35] <Althego> why would they do
that?
L359[14:18:51] <ve2dmn> $
L360[14:19:43] <Althego> is that a regex?
:)
L361[14:19:49] <Althego> i know
L362[14:19:50] <JCB> the times are
changing.. constantly
L363[14:19:56] <Althego> literally
L364[14:20:14] <JCB> the new fighter going
to be pilotless?
L365[14:20:21] <ve2dmn> The present is not
just a point, but a changing vector
L366[14:20:52] <Fluburtur> will be a nice
waste of money and time
L367[14:21:55] <JCB> whatever came of
Russia's unstoppable cruise missile?
L368[14:22:09] <JCB> or was it fighter..
bomber.. torpedo?
L369[14:22:37] <JCB> I heard some
rumblings about a super fast torpedo project... mostly since part
of the project passed through my area in the past
L370[14:22:56] <Fluburtur> uh I need to
get a sky map of tonight
L371[14:22:59] <SnoopJeDi> there is a
torpoedo and a supersonic long-flight missile
L372[14:23:08] <Althego> supercavitation
torpedo
L373[14:23:11] <SnoopJeDi> why build one
superweapon when you can build two for twice the price!
L374[14:23:16] <Fluburtur> I can probably
use the planetarium thing on my phone if it works offline
L375[14:23:18] <sandbox> hypersonic
L376[14:23:39] <JCB> ya.. was some sort of
rocket powered torpedo
L377[14:23:40] <Althego> there was
something about it, some 20 years ago? man i am old. nothing
happened. ok, there was a supercavitation sub in a seaquest episode
once :)
L378[14:24:07] <ve2dmn> Seaquest... man,
that takes me back
L379[14:24:14] <JCB> been some attempts at
doing a super quiet sub.. using superconducting magnets..
L380[14:24:30] <ve2dmn> Seaquest DSV? With
the talking dolphin?
L381[14:24:37] <Althego> that
L383[14:24:56] <JCB> captain was same guy
from Jaws, "think we going to need a bigger boat"
L384[14:25:08] <Althego> and it was a big
boat :)
L385[14:25:17] <JCB> with 'whiskers'
L387[14:25:31] <Althego> it was an acronym
if i remember
L388[14:25:40] <ve2dmn> And so guy who
could breath underwater in the later season
L389[14:25:48] <ve2dmn> some*
L390[14:25:57] <Althego> and some bio
weapon dude
L391[14:26:05] <JCB> ah.. here: WSKRS
(pronounced "whiskers"; Wireless Sea Knowledge Retrieval
Satellites)
L392[14:26:06] <ve2dmn> Dagwood
L393[14:26:09] <Rokker> TESS landing
footage
L395[14:26:14] <kmath> YouTube - TESS |
Landing
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L397[14:26:23] <Rokker> sep to
landing
L398[14:26:42] <JCB> heh.. yet another
series with a geeky kid... ala startrek TNG :P
L399[14:26:44] <Althego> they are doing it
like a pro now
L400[14:26:49] <Rokker> Althego: also,
they plan to sell it to japan
L401[14:27:23] <Althego> so, can it turn
into a giant robot with a katana?
L402[14:27:44] <Rokker> Althego: though im
wondering if it will be a lockmart plane or a lockmart licensed to
mitsubishi
L403[14:28:13] <ve2dmn> Althego:
Mecha-Fighteru!
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L405[14:28:38] <JCB> lockmart... that some
kind of knock off company from a certian asian country?
L406[14:28:45] <Rokker> Althego: like they
did with the F.2
L407[14:28:53] <ve2dmn> With an idol as
pilot, who signs on live TV
L408[14:29:00] <Rokker> JCB: Lockheed
Martin
L409[14:29:01] <ve2dmn> sing*
L410[14:29:40] <Rokker> JCB: the 3rd
largest aerospace company in the world
L411[14:29:41] <Althego> lockmart, sounds
like some grocery store chain
L412[14:30:02] <Althego> yes, got to have
macross robots
L413[14:30:05] <ve2dmn> Althego: or the
locksmith departement of Wallmart
L414[14:30:33] <Althego> kwik-e-mart
L415[14:30:33] <JCB> I know.. just jiving.
I just never heard of it called lockmart before, usually
lockheed
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L417[14:34:08] <Fluburtur> k I got some
planetarium app and it is a bit ugly but it should work
L418[14:34:20] <Fluburtur> saturn should
be up at like 3am so i ope I will get nice pics
L419[14:34:37] <Althego> go get them
L420[14:34:41] <Althego> catch em
all
L421[14:34:52] <Rokker> Fluburtur: i use
Skyview
L422[14:35:09] <Rokker> Fluburtur: pretty
decent astronomy app
L423[14:36:11] <Fluburtur> uh can't put it
on my phone for some reason
L424[14:37:25] <Fluburtur> andromeda will
be in an area of pretty bad light pollution so idk if I can get it
then
L425[14:38:16] <ve2dmn> "Lockmart is
a leading factory direct wholesale distributor of architectural
hardware for commercial openings."
L427[14:38:28] <Althego> hahahaha
L428[14:38:36] <Fluburtur> ceres will be
visible apparently
L429[14:39:02] <Althego> ayashi no ceres,
good old times :)
L430[14:39:19] <Fluburtur> haumea
too
L431[14:39:24] <Fluburtur> eh I doubt I
will be able to get it
L432[14:39:58] <Fluburtur> saturn will be
in a bunch of open clusters
L434[14:41:54] <kmath> YouTube - Aquarius
(Let the Sunshine in)
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L437[14:41:58] <ve2dmn> Where is the Tesla
these days?
L438[14:42:08] <JCB> I used to get
astronomy now magazines... but getting them was a pain from the
store. I didn't want a subscription because living situation was
kind of a mess at the time
L440[14:45:21] <Althego> hehe
L441[14:46:14] <Rokker> >Tumblr
screenshot of a reddit post
L442[14:46:40] <Rokker> I might as well
upload this to Facebook to complete the descent from good site to
horrible
L443[14:46:49] <Rokker>
reddit>tumblr>fb
L444[14:47:05] <Rokker> actually... idk,
Tumblr is pretty cancerous
L445[14:47:08] <JCB> fluburtur you are
your own worst enemy?
L447[14:47:26] <Rokker> nice
L448[14:47:28] <Fluburtur> I might
be
L449[14:47:33] <Althego> i wanted to say
something about saturn to flub but i forgot
L450[14:47:54] <JCB> tele... whats it..
don't hit, just twist the triangle thing
L451[14:52:35] <Althego> i dont know what
that would do
L452[14:54:14] <Althego> oh yes, i dont
know how it is related to saturn, but tomorrow is a workday because
of first of may happening on tuesday. luckily i just need to work 2
more hours so i stay at home
L454[14:55:10] <kmath> YouTube - Micro Jet
Turbine Project Part 2 - Assembly
L455[14:55:29] <Althego> oh wait, i got
it, tomorrow is saturday
L458[15:03:37] <kmath> YouTube - 0.38
Second Rubik's Cube Solve
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L463[15:06:24] <Rokker> anyways, im hyped
for a new lockmart plane
L464[15:06:40] <Rokker> since europe
doesn't seem interesting in producing anything new
L465[15:06:50] <Althego> i wonder why that
is :)
L466[15:08:41] <Fluburtur> well the rafale
is good for another 15 years and russian planes for about 150
L467[15:08:45] <Fluburtur> also why need
new planes
L468[15:09:07] <Althego> hint: we
dont
L469[15:10:02] <Fluburtur> also we try to
not waste too much money
L470[15:14:37] <ve2dmn> aren't the russian
planes still working on vaccum tubes?
L471[15:15:07] <Fluburtur> I think the
more recent ones aren't
L472[15:15:22] <Fluburtur> but vacuum
tubes are still used quite a lot in high pwoer radio stuff
L473[15:15:31] <Fluburtur> can channel
more power than modern electronics
L474[15:15:42] <Fluburtur> also less prone
to EMP
L475[15:15:55] <ve2dmn> AKA harder to
kill
L476[15:15:56] <Althego> the tunbes were
important durign the cold war
L477[15:16:05] <Althego> now you lose more
with them than you gain
L478[15:16:36] <Althego> yes, really high
power radio stations need vacuum tubes
L479[15:16:59] <Althego> although solid
state electronics are pushing the power boundary as time
passes
L480[15:17:10] <ve2dmn> Well, every
engineering design is a compromise...
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L482[15:18:07] <Rokker> you need new
planes cause the enemy has new planes
L483[15:18:11] <Rokker> it's pretty
simple
L484[15:18:47] <Fluburtur> who has new
planes?
L485[15:18:50] <Rokker> How are you gonna
fight against the SU-57 with a rafael
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L487[15:18:56] <Rokker> Fluburtur:
russia
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L489[15:19:08] <Fluburtur> yeahb ut you
can't do anything against the russian ones
L490[15:19:21] <Rokker> you cant
L491[15:19:24] <Rokker> we can
L492[15:19:31] <Fluburtur> nah you are
finished
L493[15:19:32] <ve2dmn> Starcraft told me
that SAM are cheaper
L494[15:19:47] <Fluburtur> some russian
pilots tried the rafale once and said they were impressed
L495[15:19:48] <Althego> dont start this
agian
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L497[15:20:09] <Rokker> sam against
stealthybois
L498[15:20:12] <Rokker> yeah sure
L499[15:20:29] <Rokker> SAM worked out so
well for vietnam
L500[15:21:19] <Rokker> they sure beat us
in that air war
L501[15:23:42] <Althego> dev note says
they had some hard to solve problems with mobile launchpads, that
is why there was no release this week
L502[15:24:05] <ve2dmn> Mobile
launchpads?
L503[15:24:20] <Fluburtur> I hope it will
be in stock
L505[15:24:32] <Althego> expansion
L506[15:24:42] <Fluburtur> man screw squad
and t2
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L508[15:24:50] <Fluburtur> at least I
still have kerbinside
L509[15:25:06] <Fluburtur> unless they
decide to make mods not possible and sell kerbinside as a dlc
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L512[15:25:45] <ve2dmn> Althego: it
sounded like a making history thing
L513[15:25:56] <Althego> yes
L514[15:26:01] <Althego> along with the
desert site
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L516[15:26:40] <ve2dmn> I don't have the
DLC, but I have no need for the parts it adds
L517[15:27:00] <ve2dmn> (so far at
least)
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L520[15:28:20] <Raptop> Eh, the DLC parts
attempt to be balanced.
L521[15:28:42] <Raptop> They don't always
suceed, but they attempt.
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L523[15:29:15] <Althego> that wolfhound or
something 412 s isp lol
L524[15:30:00] <Fluburtur> remember that
day when the devs didn't want a procedural solar system because
they wanted peoples to be able to share their savefiles
L525[15:30:06] <Fluburtur> uh wonder what
happened
L526[15:30:25] <Althego> you can
procedurally generate from the same seed
L527[15:30:52] <Althego> mods always broke
saves
L528[15:30:55] <Althego> so nothing
new
L529[15:31:03] <Althego> it is just an
official payed for mod
L530[15:31:05] <Althego> paid
L531[15:31:11] <Fluburtur> yeah it's
stupid
L532[15:31:32] <Rokker> I don't have to
pay but I don't really care to use it
L533[15:31:34] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: it's
the buiness model behind Paradox Studios
L534[15:31:43] <Rokker> no
L535[15:31:51] <Rokker> paradox produces
good DLC
L536[15:32:18] <ve2dmn> 95% true
L537[15:32:21] <Rokker> except those
immersion packs
L538[15:33:13] <SnoopJeDi> hot take: every
game you've ever played is a paid mod
L539[15:33:30] <ve2dmn> Some of the
Cities:Skyline DLC are.... meh
L540[15:33:30] <Fluburtur> exept free
ones
L541[15:33:42] <Rokker> SnoopJeDi: wat,
how
L542[15:34:04] <Fluburtur> also that ksp
isn't a game of which you can make dlc
L543[15:34:13] <Fluburtur> no game would
be idealy but here we are
L544[15:34:24] <SnoopJeDi> good point,
there are free games after all
L546[15:34:50] <Rokker> I remember when
ksp was free
L547[15:34:57] <Rokker> in the long ago
way before times
L548[15:34:58] <ve2dmn> They used to be
called Expansion pack
L549[15:35:40] <Rokker> ve2dmn: I always
saw expansions as more of the game rather than adding more to the
game
L550[15:36:03] <Althego> you cant really
add to a sandbox
L551[15:36:08] <Althego> you already have
the whole universe
L552[15:36:16] <ve2dmn> Well... the old
Simcity Graphic set didn't add anything to the core game
L553[15:36:23] <Rokker> like CoD United
Offensive. it didn't really add more to the game, it just added
more OF the game
L554[15:37:06] <ve2dmn> but your example
works in, say, warcraft 2
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L556[15:38:27] <Rokker> my definition also
sorta works with the idea of expandalones
L557[15:38:42] <Rokker> Which add more of
the game as a standalone expansion
L558[15:39:11] <Rokker> but this
definition is all personal preference and how I've always seen
it
L559[15:39:37] <Rokker> also I don't like
thinking of horse armor as an expansion
L560[15:40:07] <ve2dmn> if you want
continued developpement, you have to pay for it somehow
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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L562[15:40:35] <ve2dmn> That horse armor
was crappy anyway
L563[15:40:55] <Althego> although... i
would still like a second gas giant in ksp
L564[15:41:02] <Althego> and my space boat
pier
L565[15:41:09] <Rokker> ve2dmn: what if I
don't want continued development due to a growing distaste with the
base company as well as a desire to not have to update 100 mods
every few months
L567[15:41:45] <ve2dmn> That is an
interesting question: what WOULD you pay for in a KSP DLC?
L568[15:41:55] <SnoopJeDi> Zynga model?
:)
L569[15:42:12] <Fluburtur> for this dlc in
particular, not more than 4€
L570[15:42:21] <Rokker> ve2dmn: I don't
have to pay anything for it. i would pay... like 5 tops for
it
L571[15:42:33] <SnoopJeDi> oh what, not
how
L572[15:42:38] <ve2dmn> What content would
you like to see then?
L573[15:43:02] <ve2dmn> I would really
want something interesting done with asteroids
L574[15:43:20] <Rokker> eh
L575[15:43:30] <Rokker> I'm happy where
I'm at with RO and stuff
L576[15:46:15] <ve2dmn> In-game currency
would be the worse... of course, it's a sandbox, so it's basically
impossible
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L578[15:51:50] <ve2dmn> I've been
listening to the Paradox Podcast lately and I've given this DLC
thing a lot of thinking
L579[15:52:06] <Rokker> I'm still waiting
for that multiplayer I was promised
L580[15:52:30] <Fluburtur> don't wrry they
will take one of the mods and make it a dlc
L581[15:53:18] <ve2dmn> Rokker: I hope
it's not "No Man's Sky"-style multiplayer
L582[15:54:22] <Althego> no manley's skye?
:)
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L632[18:49:39] <UmbralRaptop> I hope Take2
realizes why Squad normally didn't announce release dates.
L633[18:53:09] <Fluburtur> I think the
tube of my telescope is bent
L634[18:54:00] <Fluburtur> is there any
decently priced telescope
L635[18:55:14] <UmbralRaptop> What are you
planning to use it for?
L636[18:55:22] <Fluburtur> looking
up
L637[18:55:45] <UmbralRaptop> If purely
observational, I suggest an 8" dobsonian
L638[18:55:56] <UmbralRaptop> s/8"/20
cm/
L639[18:57:08] <Fluburtur> yeah
L640[18:57:15] <Fluburtur> I want to put
my camera on it but I guess that's easy
L641[18:57:33] <UmbralRaptop> If
astrophotography, you'll be spending lots of €.
L642[18:57:59] <Fluburtur> well I can
probably do without a tracker
L643[18:58:27] <Fluburtur> you saw my
photos with my cheap telescope
L644[18:58:35] <UmbralRaptop> I'm not sure
on exact prices in France, but this can be the difference between a
$400 telescope, and a $1000-2000 one.
L645[18:59:59] <Fluburtur> why would that
be?
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L649[19:08:47] <Fluburtur> well if I get
money from my job I will consider getting one
L650[19:08:52] <UmbralRaptop> A big part
is having a mount that is sufficiently stable and good at
tracking.
L651[19:09:28] <Fluburtur> this shop is in
paris so I guess I can just go there and tell them what I
want
L652[19:09:43] <Fluburtur> the telescopes
under 200 seem fairly decent
L653[19:10:10] <UmbralRaptop> They're very
hit or miss.
L654[19:10:27] <Fluburtur> can't be worse
than my current one
L655[19:11:23] <Fluburtur> actually my
friend's telescope could use a new mount
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L657[19:16:49] <PirateAE> Is the current
version of far usable at all with 1.4? or will i encounter game
breaking issues?
L658[19:18:35] <Fluburtur> apparently
andromeda is rather large so I will use something else than the
20mm lens for once
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L660[19:22:08] <PirateAE> nvm i look
though teh thread a bit more
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L667[20:21:32] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: If you ever lose an online FPS match, it
because the other team was hacking.
L668[20:22:27] <Scolar_Visari> Though, in
the case of Call of Duty titles since Modern Warfare 1, this is
likely true.
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L671[20:30:15] <Scolar_Visari> Zhu et al.
"Primordial black holes as dark matter: constraints from
compact ultra-faint dwarfs" Monthly Notices of the Royal
Astronomical Society 2018
https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.05032
L672[20:31:07] <UmbralRaptop> [Continuing
reminder that WIMPS beat up MACHOS]
L673[20:32:47] <Scolar_Visari> To the
article's credit, it admits that black holes with more than 10 and
perhaps as little as six stellar masses could likely be
excluded.
L674[20:33:08] <UmbralRaptop> yay
L676[20:37:58] <Fluburtur> I managed to
see saturn but no photo
L677[20:38:03] <Fluburtur> was quite dim
actually
L678[20:38:30] *
UmbralRaptop ? cameras that don't let you manually set both ISO and
shutter speed,
L679[20:39:19] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
That's a flock of geese.
L680[20:41:05] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: Though, now that I think about it, previous tests for
MACHOs involved far, far, far, far less massive objects.
L681[20:41:31] <Scolar_Visari> Like,
sub-stellar mass remnants.
L682[20:41:50] <Scolar_Visari> This may
explain why they would mention primordial black holes once and
moved on.
L683[20:41:52] <UmbralRaptop> well,
yes.
L684[20:42:25] <Eddi|zuHause>
<Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur: That's a flock of geese. <--
are we playing the little prince game?
L685[20:42:58] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: No,
it was swamp gas!
L686[20:43:21] <Eddi|zuHause> as in
"no, that's not a hat, that's a snake which swallowed an
elephant"
L687[20:43:38] *
Scolar_Visari points to flocks of geese being mistaken for alien
spacecraft in reality.
L688[20:44:55] <Eddi|zuHause> so if the
earth is flat, how is jupiter round?
L689[20:45:21] <Fluburtur> I was going to
take pics of saturn but I hear some spooky noises and decided I
wouldn't not deal with some wild pig
L690[20:45:38] <Fluburtur> wait no
L691[20:45:50] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: It's
also flat, but its moons are oblate spheroids.
L692[20:46:25] <Fluburtur> also the mount
of my telesope is still crap
L693[20:47:11] *
Scolar_Visari recalls this being an issue in early attempts at
telling time by observing the position of the Galilean moons. Easy
on land, difficult at sea.
L694[20:49:20] <Fluburtur> I also saw what
is either a binary system or just two stars that look close but I
lost it
L695[20:55:03] <Eddi|zuHause> that's a
question i always asked myself about Alkor and Mizar, but that was
before you could carry google around with you everywhere you
go
L696[20:55:35] <Fluburtur> I think it was
rather close to Vega actually
L697[20:55:50] <Eddi|zuHause> i mean
whether they're binary or just close
L698[20:55:58] <Fluburtur> yeah
L699[20:56:06] <Eddi|zuHause> i mean
visually close, but actually very far in space
L701[20:56:32] <Fluburtur> might be this
one
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L703[20:58:34] <Scolar_Visari> Optical
binaries
L704[20:58:54] <Fluburtur> two sets of
binaries apparently
L706[21:00:14] <Fluburtur> my telescope
doesn't have such resolution so assuming it's the one I saw, then I
only saw a binary system
L707[21:00:32] <Scolar_Visari> *Some*
actual binaries can be seen with binoculars.
L708[21:00:41] <Scolar_Visari> As with red
dwarfs, I believe.
L709[21:00:59] *
Scolar_Visari notes Proxima Centauri was visible to the naked eye
during its recent flare.
L710[21:01:36] <Fluburtur> but would it be
visible where I am
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L712[21:02:46] <Fluburtur> well if I
manage to get a proper telescope before this summer and if I go to
the mountain house where the sky is very clear I could get some
fancy pictures
L713[21:04:03] *
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similar to Dragon Commander's.
L714[21:04:20] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
You could always steal the Hubble.
L715[21:04:27] <Fluburtur> yeah
L716[21:06:54] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not as
familiar with star positions as i once used to be, but i think
Alpha Centauri was pretty southern
L717[21:08:14] <Scolar_Visari> Confirmed:
Battletech's Argo is indeed the space based version of Dragon
Commander's Raven.
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L719[21:15:38] <Scolar_Visari> Amusingly,
it is a DropShip that cannot land.
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L743[23:21:49] <Althego> ok scott, do your
thing :)
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L745[23:22:03] <UmbralRaptop> hah
L746[23:22:31] <Althego> he has several
high res videos with asteroids, and this is part of it
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