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L7[00:51:00] <Rokker> Draconiator: its been a few years since i was on Eve, but iirc, the best trick was low power high efficiency engines on a plane until you got high enough
L8[00:51:21] <Rokker> with big ole wings
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L10[01:03:08] <TheKosmonaut> Rokker: nah. Ion engines.
L11[01:04:45] <Althego> propellers
L12[01:04:48] <Hysts> Does the mun have "in orbit above" biomes? probably silly question but I wanna do some stuff to get some decent early science.
L13[01:05:12] <Althego> gravity scanner thingie does that. in orbit high and low
L14[01:05:26] <Hysts> "The mun" is probably a misnomer.
L15[01:05:33] <Althego> (for all bodies)
L16[01:05:55] <Althego> it is either called mun or mün
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L37[02:11:14] <oren> It's a very dusty day on the mun
L38[02:11:21] <oren> https://imgur.com/vFF3j6V
L39[02:11:22] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/vFF3j6V.jpg
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L41[02:17:08] <Rokker> oren: its always dusty
L42[02:17:13] <Rokker> regolith is a bitch
L43[02:17:31] <TheKosmonaut> Rokker:...
L44[02:17:38] <TheKosmonaut> You know better
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L46[02:17:43] <Rokker> ah crap
L47[02:17:53] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: today is not my day
L48[02:17:56] <TheKosmonaut> >:(
L49[02:18:04] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: i just saw the name oren and thought #SpaceX
L50[02:20:18] <Rokker> oren: did you know that dust on the moon is electrostatically charged in a way that causes it to float around on the moon
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L52[02:26:58] <oren> Rokker: I just like how cool it looks in ksp
L53[02:27:57] <oren> It distracts from the monotony of my constant ore-hauling operations
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L55[02:40:04] <oren> https://imgur.com/a1V70rX
L56[02:40:04] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/a1V70rX.png
L57[02:40:38] <oren> the crew of the space train have a celebratory tandem EVA after leaving kerbin system
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L61[03:07:37] <Rokker> i made a thing https://imgur.com/a/TOpt3
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L67[03:31:50] <Mat2ch> so, any news how the landing of the second stage went?
L68[03:31:59] <oren> https://imgur.com/1TbiQdO
L69[03:31:59] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/1TbiQdO.png
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L73[03:39:11] <Rokker> Mat2ch: ...
L74[03:39:23] <Rokker> Mat2ch: they aren't landing the second stage
L75[03:39:27] <Rokker> not for a while
L76[03:39:40] <Rokker> Mat2ch: especially this one since it's going to solar orbit
L77[03:47:24] <oren> RTG powered probes seem to neve rhave enough batteries to radio back all their data
L78[03:47:45] <oren> so my jool probe is using fuel cells instead
L79[03:52:07] <oren> it means I have a fixed total electricity budget but I calculated it and I have like 3 times what I could possibly need
L80[03:55:50] <Mat2ch> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/985654333860601856
L81[03:55:51] <kmath> <✔elonmusk> This is gonna sound crazy, but …
L82[03:56:20] <Mat2ch> Rokker: he said they want to try. But he didn't say when
L83[03:57:02] <Rokker> I know he said they wanna try, but they can't exactly do it on this one
L84[03:57:07] <Mat2ch> where did they mention that the second stage is going to solar orbit?
L85[03:57:39] <Rokker> Mat2ch: that's what people are saying in #SpaceX
L86[03:57:43] <Rokker> and it makes sense
L87[03:57:54] <Rokker> it won't last long enough for lunar apogee
L88[03:58:04] <Rokker> so they can't lower peri into the atmosphere again
L89[03:58:23] <Rokker> not confidently
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L91[03:58:38] <Mat2ch> Ah
L92[03:58:51] <Rokker> same reason Apollo did one of 2 things
L93[03:59:00] <Rokker> smashed it into the moon or sent it into helio
L94[03:59:35] <Mat2ch> From the stream I thought that they didn't accelerate it that much and the host said something about TESS will make its own burn for lunar insertion
L95[04:00:18] <Rokker> I mean it probably Jas to do a course correction
L96[04:00:25] <Deddly> TESS has only maneuvering thrusters
L97[04:00:28] <Rokker> but the orbit is already mostly there
L98[04:00:29] <oren> ;wa 90/0.02025*18
L99[04:00:30] <kmath> oren: 90/0.02025×18 = 80000
L100[04:00:37] <Rokker> has*
L101[04:00:40] <oren> yeah I did math right
L102[04:00:43] <Mat2ch> But, I just took a closer look at the stream and at the end you can see that the second stage is leaving the orbit
L103[04:01:07] <Mat2ch> I didn't see that before, because I was standing too far away from the monitor
L104[04:01:35] <Deddly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhHP6-GGeuI
L105[04:01:35] <kmath> YouTube - NASA's New Exoplanet Hunter is Using A Clever Orbit
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L113[05:07:04] <Guest06907> hi
L114[05:07:05] <Mod9000> Hello, Guest06907
L115[05:07:23] <Guest06907> how are you
L116[05:07:49] <Apexseals> yo
L117[05:07:51] <Apexseals> well
L118[05:08:55] <Gasher[work]> https://i.imgur.com/TtAz9FI.png
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L123[05:44:27] <Althego> 50,000,000,000 Instructions Per Second: Design and Implementation of a 256-Core BrainF* Computer
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L127[06:09:37] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/bc34fc3a2e1154b1eb4c7bd8c25d1ac2/tumblr_p76vviBMwU1upvoayo1_540.jpg
L128[06:11:35] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/8bf66e017c799881566c2078f7ee7f92/tumblr_ojdmxnwuV51v2y015o1_540.jpg
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L142[08:21:54] <BadRocketsCo> Howdy
L143[08:21:58] <Fluburtur> yo
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L145[08:22:25] <ve2dmn> Good moonring
L146[08:23:22] <Fluburtur> im designing a fpv wing
L147[08:23:35] <Fluburtur> who would be interested in watching me stream that?
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L149[08:24:06] <Althego> not home yet
L150[08:24:15] <Althego> btw nice spacex landing and tess deploy
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L155[08:32:20] <ve2dmn> Althego: I watched the whole thing live on my big screen TV... and so did my cat
L156[08:33:04] <Althego> hehe
L157[08:33:27] <Althego> i watched it on my phone from recording around 4:30 in the morning :)
L158[08:34:41] <ve2dmn> I wish I could save youtube videos to view offline :/
L159[08:35:02] <ve2dmn> But the phone app doesn't let me do it
L160[08:36:16] <Althego> i watched it in browser
L161[08:36:19] <Althego> because it was unlisted
L162[08:36:28] <Althego> and was linked from a spacex page
L163[08:36:56] <Althego> and of course if you have the url, you can no way use that in the phone app to find the video
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L166[08:40:37] <ve2dmn> Althego: It opens directly in the app from the link (for me)
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L168[08:41:10] <Fluburtur> k I will start the stream soon I think
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L170[08:41:44] <ve2dmn> I use www.pushbullet.com to move link between devices, but there are other ways (similar apps without a central server)
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L177[09:21:06] <ve2dmn> btw, the quick answer for offline youtube videos: If your country has YoutubeRed, you can take videos offline
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L181[09:24:10] <sandbox> I wasn't going to mention this again, but this part from a bbc article stood out to me "With oxygen masks over their mouths, passengers screamed and braced for impact."
L182[09:24:58] <Althego> you can totally do that
L183[09:25:07] <sandbox> because of this https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/986616437807529984
L184[09:25:07] <kmath> <DJSnM> Oxygen deprivation is no joke. https://t.co/XDfVOBBP2I
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L186[09:25:38] <Althego> yes, should be over the nose too
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L188[09:25:59] <Althego> if there is really a decompression you have something like 5 seconds to put that mask on
L189[09:27:28] <ve2dmn> Can you have Oxygen poisoining? What happens if you breath pure oxygen?
L190[09:28:28] <Althego> you can
L191[09:28:51] <Althego> pure oxygen on atmospheric pressure has some unpleasant but not fatal symptoms
L192[09:28:57] <Althego> i think spasms or something
L193[09:29:11] <Althego> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_toxicity
L194[09:29:15] <sandbox> unpleasant things apparently
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L196[09:30:16] <Althego> because oxygen is actually a poison
L197[09:30:48] <ve2dmn> so... anything above a partial pressure of 0.5 is a potential problem?
L198[09:31:01] <ve2dmn> (0.5 bar)
L199[09:31:59] <Althego> 1 want one chocolate bar
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L201[09:32:10] <Althego> dont need 0.5 oxygen bar
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L203[09:32:46] <ve2dmn> poison in the sense that it's the primary source of oxidation
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L206[09:33:12] <Althego> caused one of the early extinction events
L207[09:33:18] <Althego> most things died
L208[09:33:29] <ve2dmn> unless you want to breathe Sulphur, I guess...
L209[09:33:40] <sandbox> someone should contact the bbc to change the wording to say "nose and mouths"
L210[09:34:11] <ve2dmn> sandbox: why?
L211[09:34:35] <sandbox> I used to know someone who often complained to the bbc about such things
L212[09:34:46] <ve2dmn> Sure, it's a bad example... but it's probably more true
L213[09:34:50] <Althego> more like the regulatory body of airline safety
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L216[09:37:33] <ve2dmn> Man, I *LOVE* job description where the requirements are almost impossible to get
L217[09:37:43] <Althego> fulfill?
L218[09:37:47] <Althego> yes, many are like that
L219[09:37:55] <sandbox> oh, there's another article on their front page "Why you should listen to flight safety demos"
L220[09:38:13] <Althego> i saw them hundred times already
L221[09:38:18] <ve2dmn> Althego: I got contacted by a recruiter and she sent me the job decription...
L222[09:38:19] <Althego> sometimes i just sleep in
L223[09:38:37] <ve2dmn> ... it includes requirements that I have never heard of because it's US-specific
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L225[09:38:52] <ve2dmn> Yet the job is in Canada
L226[09:39:41] <ve2dmn> "Prior USCG C4IT experience is desired"
L227[09:41:14] <Althego> i dont even know what that is
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L230[09:47:02] <ve2dmn> US Coast Guard Command, Control, Communications, Computers and Information Technology
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L233[09:48:12] <ve2dmn> I have no idea why they would ask for THAT specificly for a 'leadin provider of mining farm solutions in Blockchain technologie'
L234[09:48:22] <UmbralRaptor> And they wonder why they can't find anyone.
L235[09:49:10] <UmbralRaptor> Wait, they're a scam currency?
L236[09:49:12] <ve2dmn> I'm pretty sure it's just another Bitcoin miner setting shop in town because our power is cheap
L237[09:49:52] <ve2dmn> Aside from 1 company I know, these are all foreign firms
L238[09:51:26] * Arcan implements "revolutionary new ~~mining~~ techology" using plastic explosives
L239[09:51:34] <Althego> lol
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L241[09:51:54] <Fluburtur> had some internet problem
L242[09:52:41] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl4plPGRG8o
L243[09:52:41] <kmath> YouTube - Airplane! drinking problem
L244[09:53:06] <Althego> you poured the internet all over yourself
L245[09:53:16] <Fluburtur> I might have
L246[09:55:07] <Fluburtur> k will start the stream soon I guess
L247[09:57:58] <Fluburtur> can you see this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1rxpmtGdpc
L248[09:57:58] <kmath> YouTube - Live design session
L249[09:58:11] <Althego> there is something
L250[09:58:16] <Althego> streamception
L251[10:00:54] <Draconiator> Is that you Flub?
L252[10:01:03] <Althego> who else would it be
L253[10:03:23] <Althego> this reminds me, i hate cad programs, and they hate me
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L255[10:05:41] <Draconiator> I remember when I was in elementary school, I had this "Industrial Arts" class...and the CAD program they used ran on an old Apple II computer.
L256[10:06:46] <Draconiator> We used it to make one of those marble machines.
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L263[10:13:51] <Rokker> Althego: I picked the wrong way to stop sniffing glue
L264[10:13:55] <Rokker> day
L265[10:16:08] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: how long ago was that?
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L268[10:22:26] <Rokker> ve2dmn: a few months
L269[10:23:53] <ve2dmn> In Eternal September calendar, a few months is a long time ago
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L281[10:59:32] <APlayer> Aaa! Where did all that sun come from?!
L282[10:59:45] <Fluburtur> yo APlayer
L283[10:59:53] <Fluburtur> wanna watch me stream some 3d design?
L284[11:00:05] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1rxpmtGdpc
L285[11:00:05] <kmath> YouTube - Live design session
L286[11:00:21] <APlayer> Uh, not sure. I'll need to finish some code today
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L304[12:08:58] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: stream inception! :D
L305[12:09:05] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: are you using OBS?
L306[12:09:11] <Fluburtur> yeah
L307[12:11:11] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/qhgazeCfrK4?t=289
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L309[12:11:46] <Mat2ch> I though you're going to do some CAD :D
L310[12:11:56] <Mat2ch> also at least try to hide your french accent ;)
L311[12:12:32] <Fluburtur> bo
L312[12:12:36] <Mat2ch> :D
L313[12:12:37] <Fluburtur> no*
L314[12:12:49] <Mat2ch> "boo" is ok, too *g*
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L318[12:38:15] <ve2dmn> *sigh* I backed that game and now it's free http://blog.humblebundle.com/post/173099406491/get-satellite-reign-for-free-right-now-available
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L321[12:39:32] <Gasher> ve2dmn, idk what is that game but thank you anyway for helping
L322[12:39:32] <ve2dmn> Mat2ch: for the french accent, I tried helped my French coworkers, but the 'ze' never goes away
L323[12:40:00] <ve2dmn> Gasher: ever played 'Syndicate' in the 1990s?
L324[12:40:07] <Gasher> no
L325[12:40:15] <ve2dmn> (Bullfrog entertainement game)
L326[12:40:43] <Gasher> they only game by bullfrog which i remember is dungeon keeper
L327[12:40:47] <ve2dmn> Cyberpunk squad-based game
L328[12:41:26] <Althego> hah syndicate, c lassic
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L330[12:42:00] <Althego> ze is a german accent :)
L331[12:42:37] <Gasher> not really - it is also an issue here
L332[12:42:37] <ve2dmn> Well... That game was kickstarted to be a spiritual successor to that
L333[12:43:15] <ve2dmn> Althego: most frenchmen I know cannot say 'The'
L334[12:43:45] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR0lWICH3rY
L335[12:43:46] <kmath> YouTube - German Coast guard trainee
L336[12:43:52] <ve2dmn> classic
L337[12:44:42] <Judge_Dedd> Hmm
L338[12:44:58] <Judge_Dedd> On the other hand, how many English-speakers can pronounce the French R?
L339[12:45:06] <Judge_Dedd> Or the French N?
L340[12:45:11] <Fluburtur> not a single one
L341[12:45:14] <Judge_Dedd> Exactly
L342[12:45:20] <ve2dmn> Judge_Dedd: Which one? :P
L343[12:45:24] <Fluburtur> if you can pronounce R correctly you basically speak french
L344[12:45:33] <Fluburtur> then there is all the other language bullcrap
L345[12:45:36] <Fluburtur> french is hard
L346[12:45:39] * Judge_Dedd can actually pronounce French words correctly
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L348[12:46:13] <ve2dmn> We have several regional prononciation of 'r'
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L350[12:46:55] <Judge_Dedd> I actually think the "N" in, for example, "en" is more difficult
L351[12:47:33] <ve2dmn> I cannot hear the difference between the parisian 'en' and 'un'
L352[12:47:40] <Judge_Dedd> ve2dmn, I didn't know about the regional differences for R in French
L353[12:48:09] <ve2dmn> I don't speak the same french to begin with :P
L354[12:48:32] <Judge_Dedd> I mean, I know that Belgium has a different accent
L355[12:48:41] <Judge_Dedd> I don't know where you're from, though
L356[12:48:59] <Judge_Dedd> And of course the African nations have their own accents, too
L357[12:49:16] <Judge_Dedd> But are there regional differences for the "R" sound within France?
L358[12:49:28] <Fluburtur> uyeah
L359[12:49:39] <ve2dmn> Judge_Dedd: since 'maple' and 'poutine' are 2 of my highlight words, you can prety much guess :P
L360[12:49:54] <Judge_Dedd> Ah, Red5-land
L361[12:50:08] <ve2dmn> not exactly, but close enough
L362[12:53:08] <Judge_Dedd> ve2dmn, do you have the Belgium French or France French method numbers?
L363[12:53:38] <ve2dmn> France, because most of the ancestry can be traced back to Northen France
L364[12:55:23] <Judge_Dedd> Ah. So 91 is "Four-twenty-ten-and-1"
L365[12:55:42] <ve2dmn> Just like 87 is Four score and seven
L366[12:55:50] <Judge_Dedd> Aye
L367[12:56:08] <Judge_Dedd> was*
L368[12:56:31] <ve2dmn> It's stupid thing that date back to when 60 was a magic number
L369[12:56:42] <Judge_Dedd> Oh, really?
L370[12:57:19] <ve2dmn> basically... the exact reason is far more complicated, but it's related to that
L371[12:58:00] <ve2dmn> numbers up to 60 had names, but numbers above that changed depending on the culture
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L373[12:58:35] <ve2dmn> And 60 is 'magic' because of the divisors it has, which is why the babylonians used it and why it's in our clocks
L374[12:59:55] <ve2dmn> i would love for us to switch to the Belgian numbering system, but that will never happen
L375[13:00:27] <ve2dmn> Much like the short scale 1000 and long scale 1000 numbers will stay confusing for the forseeable future
L376[13:00:28] * Judge_Dedd might have to research this
L377[13:01:11] <Judge_Dedd> Well, at least we can be grateful to the Arabs for introducing us to proper numbers instead of Roman numerals
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L379[13:01:48] <Judge_Dedd> Imagine Roman numerals AND the French numbering system somehow working together
L380[13:01:56] <Althego> hehehe
L381[13:02:01] <Althego> the horror
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L383[13:02:21] <ve2dmn> And while the french numbers are often given as an example, the Dutch number are much worse...
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L385[13:02:47] <Judge_Dedd> Danish too
L386[13:02:48] <ve2dmn> ... and the Japenses numbers are also confusing to an outsider above 10k
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L389[13:03:14] <ve2dmn> But the Japan numbering systems have no exceptions
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L391[13:03:45] <ve2dmn> And the one used in Pakistan is just... Very confusing to me
L392[13:04:33] <Althego> but only above 10k
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L394[13:05:53] <ve2dmn> We should all just switch to a Pi-based system
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L396[13:06:05] <Althego> e based
L397[13:06:10] <Althego> that is optimal
L398[13:06:48] <ve2dmn> True
L399[13:07:20] <ve2dmn> It would also be 'natural'
L400[13:08:10] <Althego> hehe
L401[13:13:57] <ve2dmn> Althego: btw, I tried playing Syndicate recently...
L402[13:14:13] <Mat2ch> ve2dmn: well, try to the a German "the". Have fun. :D
L403[13:14:15] <ve2dmn> ... Either it did not age well, or I fotgot all the controls
L404[13:14:50] <Mat2ch> I was lucky, I started learing English in elementary school...
L405[13:15:04] <ve2dmn> same
L406[13:15:27] <APlayer> Else we'd still be illiterate
L407[13:15:51] <ve2dmn> Which is why a lot of people think I had English as a first language. I did not. I started at around 7 or 8
L408[13:16:27] * ve2dmn is just equally crappy in french and english
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L411[13:17:46] <Mat2ch> I still regret that I never learnt French in school. I could've chosen it instead of Latin and my life would've been so much easier. But nooooo, I was misguided
L412[13:18:00] <ve2dmn> There is still time
L413[13:18:14] <Fluburtur> in school we had options for either english or german as 2nd language
L414[13:18:19] <ve2dmn> I tried Japanese, Brazillian Portuguese and Latin so far
L415[13:18:21] <Fluburtur> then spanish as 3rd language
L416[13:18:24] <Mat2ch> Lately I have the feeling it's getting harder and harder to learn new things :|
L417[13:18:29] <Fluburtur> I can't speak a word of spanish
L418[13:18:46] <Mat2ch> not learning English today as 2nd language is somehow stupid...
L419[13:18:53] <Fluburtur> yeah
L420[13:19:10] <Fluburtur> the argument of german teachers was "there is a lot of german speakers in europe"
L421[13:19:19] <Fluburtur> like yeah maybe because there is a lot of germans
L422[13:19:24] <Mat2ch> I like German for its precision, but English is the universal language now.
L423[13:19:28] <Fluburtur> and even then everyone knows how to speak english in this world
L424[13:19:46] <Fluburtur> exept french peoples because out education is kinda bad
L425[13:19:54] <Fluburtur> but I would actually like to learn german now
L426[13:19:59] <Fluburtur> or swedish or russian
L427[13:20:02] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: your math education isn't that bad
L428[13:20:07] <Mat2ch> No, you don't want to.
L429[13:20:15] <Mat2ch> Let me tell you about the Genitiv and Dativ. :D
L430[13:20:20] <Fluburtur> ve2dmn maybe but I don't like math
L431[13:20:32] <Mat2ch> Even native German speakers use it wrong ;)
L432[13:20:47] <Mat2ch> I'd like to learn French and Spanish
L433[13:21:01] <ve2dmn> Then do it
L434[13:21:41] <APlayer> If I'll ever have children, I'll have plenty of stories to tell. "And remember, kids, never calibrate sensors. Because when you do, this might happen: https://i.imgur.com/F5W05OH.jpg&quot;
L435[13:22:05] <Fluburtur> uh yeah those power lines are a bit thin
L436[13:23:24] <APlayer> Improvisation level: Double advanced (Note the number of different cables for the Electronics -> PC connection, and note the setup to get the sensor in different orientations)
L437[13:23:46] <APlayer> Fluburtur: Which lines?
L438[13:23:56] <Fluburtur> the ones going to the ESCs
L439[13:23:58] <Althego> tanlines?
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L441[13:25:10] <APlayer> Fluburtur: Apparently not an issue. This is a prototype which should not run for more than a minute during its whole life time (aside from tests, which were fine so far). The actual drone will have better wiring.
L442[13:25:23] <APlayer> The motors do run fine now, it was the ESC calibration
L443[13:31:04] <APlayer> Grr, also I messed up the calibration positioning. Will need to account for that later.
L444[13:31:36] <ve2dmn> APlayer: just do like in the movies and reverse the polarity. That usually solves things
L445[13:32:59] <ve2dmn> If you reverse the polarity on a rocket, do it become a tunneling machine?
L446[13:33:24] <ve2dmn> Is THAT the secret to Elon's Boring company?
L447[13:35:16] <APlayer> "Reverse the drill"
L448[13:35:28] <Althego> lol
L449[13:35:46] * UmbralRaptop feels like the best reason to learn Russian is to read technical documents. >_>
L450[13:36:04] <APlayer> But what if you reverse the polarity on a temperature enhancement device?
L451[13:36:16] <APlayer> UmbralRaptop: Feel free to ask for assistance. :-)
L452[13:36:33] <UmbralRaptop> hm
L453[13:36:49] <UmbralRaptop> I'll have to.
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L456[13:47:35] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/436598737444536321/2.jpg
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L462[13:58:31] <ve2dmn> 1)Make a device that create only entropy 2) Reverse the polarity 3)???? 4) profit!
L463[14:02:57] <Althego> lol
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L465[14:05:00] <oren> Hmm if a tunnelling machine was a reverse rocket, it would tunnel thru granite and produce oxygen, silicon, and alumium
L466[14:08:06] <Althego> sounds reasonable
L467[14:09:15] <ve2dmn> TIL 'GOO' stand for a lot of things, inclusing "Gemeenschappelijke Onderwerps Onts luiting"
L468[14:09:59] <Fluburtur> onderwerps
L469[14:10:04] <Fluburtur> idk what that means but I love it
L470[14:10:12] <snow> that looks like a spurious space
L471[14:10:48] <ve2dmn> I'm deep in library technical protocol definitions...
L472[14:11:08] <ve2dmn> ... and there was this bit called "Subject-GOO"
L473[14:11:15] <snow> yeah
L474[14:11:21] <snow> looks like old municipal library stuff
L475[14:11:37] <snow> Pica, haven't seen that term in... almost two decades
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L477[14:11:45] <ve2dmn> sadly, not municipal anymore at this point
L478[14:12:48] <snow> oh wait
L479[14:12:52] <snow> I misread
L480[14:14:13] <snow> gemeenschapplijk means shared / communal
L481[14:14:22] <snow> gemeentelijk means municipal
L482[14:14:41] <snow> libraries immediately triggered an association in my head that wasn't there :-)
L483[14:15:01] <ve2dmn> The same document has a lot of reference to ZIG and NORZIG meetings
L484[14:15:16] <snow> that doesn't ring a bell
L485[14:15:40] <ve2dmn> sauce: https://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1.html
L486[14:16:28] <ve2dmn> also enzyme code and The 'Chemical Abstract Registry' number
L487[14:16:37] <snow> hah
L488[14:16:42] <snow> so why are you looking at this?
L489[14:16:47] <ve2dmn> work
L490[14:17:12] <snow> archeology?
L491[14:17:16] <snow> :-D
L492[14:17:41] <Draconiator> Why did TESS have such a tiny launch window?
L493[14:18:10] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: to save fuel, I think
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L496[14:21:07] <ve2dmn> The spacecraft itself is tiny and hold very little fuel
L497[14:21:29] <ve2dmn> So it's using an assist to get to the right orbit
L498[14:21:52] <ve2dmn> (If I remember coreclty)
L499[14:22:13] <ve2dmn> snow: I work for the university in library stuff
L500[14:22:23] <ve2dmn> Stuff broke and I'm trying to fix it
L501[14:22:25] <snow> right, that makes sense
L502[14:22:59] <ve2dmn> Easiest way to break North American library software: Feed it "é"
L503[14:24:24] <ve2dmn> not because it doesn't support UTF-8 (it probably, surely does) but because it's 6 version behind
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L507[14:29:05] <oren> annoyingly I don't actually need uranium to build nuclear engines or RTGs so I'm just refusing to build them unless I have uranium supplies
L508[14:30:14] <JCB> power wise.. RTGs aren't really needed unless you more than half way out from the sun
L509[14:30:57] <JCB> well.. unless you on a moon that has night time for more than a few days
L510[14:31:05] <oren> JCB: I'm sending probes to jool and beyond, but I only have rocketparts and ore supply lines set up so they are fuel cell powered
L511[14:31:59] <JCB> use'n mods? distinction between rocket fuel and hydrogen/os fuel?
L512[14:32:07] <JCB> O2.. rather
L513[14:32:42] <oren> I have a lot of mods but the fuel cells in this case are stock ones
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L515[14:33:45] <JCB> so then stock fuels..
L516[14:34:03] <JCB> simplicity has its perks...
L517[14:34:34] <oren> I calculated the amount of electric charge I could possibly use by radioing back all these experiments, running my arcjet engines, etc, and and 90 fuel 110 oxidizer is more than enough. gives a total of 80000 EC
L518[14:36:16] <ve2dmn> oren: I would still put solar panels on board. Cheap and light enough
L519[14:38:02] <JCB> I've gotta make a point when I run probes, to flick off the internal battery. A few times where I've time warped a little too far ahead and forgot to set out the panels
L520[14:38:32] <JCB> though.. ya I should also pay more attention to how far, as well as hibernate while warping
L521[14:39:40] <oren> I also have a mode that makes my RTGs decay over time
L522[14:40:38] <oren> my earlier probes used them but I've stopped launching things from kerbin
L523[14:41:54] <oren> rtgs are great for rovers tho, when you don't want to stop driving during the night
L524[14:43:50] <Fluburtur> I modified fuel cells to run on intake air and fuel for a rover once
L525[14:44:10] <Fluburtur> I wanted to mod jet engines so that they produce little thrust but electricity but couldn't do it
L526[14:47:01] <JCB> I wouldn't mind seeing fuel generators using monoprop..
L527[14:47:24] <JCB> they used 3 of them on the shuttle and some other things, using hydrozene..
L528[14:48:00] <JCB> one of the parts packs I've been trying out, 'Grounded' has a kind of engine hood with fuel cell system that takes fuel and air for electric charge.
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L532[14:55:06] <Judge_Dedd> Hmm. Important note regarding boats: length makes almost zero difference to speed and efficiency, which means you can just add fuel tanks to the length of the ship to increase range with almost no penalty
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L534[15:08:09] <ve2dmn> Judge_Dedd: are you referencing this? https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/8dele1/goin_to_laythe_gonna_need_a_boat/
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L539[15:29:01] <Judge_Dedd> No, I'm building a boat myself
L540[15:29:10] <Judge_Dedd> For Fluburtur's challenge
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L666[16:15:06] <Eddi|zuHause> somebody set up us the bomb
L667[16:15:27] <oren> what you say!
L668[16:16:29] <Eddi|zuHause> how are you gentlemen?
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L670[16:18:13] <ve2dmn> We get signal.
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L672[16:21:41] <oren> main screen turn on
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L674[16:25:18] <Mostly_Deddly> Fluburtur, hmm. I have 5,000,000 metres range at 1/3 throttle. Do you think that's enough?
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L676[16:25:33] <Fluburtur> idk
L677[16:25:47] <Fluburtur> I highly doubt you will be able to complete the challenge without refueling
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L679[16:26:09] <Mostly_Deddly> I don't think it is enough. Your course is like circumnavigate Kerbin twice
L680[16:26:25] <Mostly_Deddly> Maybe even more than that
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L682[16:26:49] <Mostly_Deddly> I think I'd need 8 million metres of range
L683[16:27:17] <Mostly_Deddly> But it's close enough to make me want to try
L684[16:28:26] <Mostly_Deddly> (try building in more range, that is)
L685[16:29:04] * Mostly_Deddly out. seeyas
L686[16:29:05] <Fluburtur> building refueling aircrafts is half the fun
L687[16:29:32] <Mostly_Deddly> Fluburtur, I wanna try with 0 refuels for added challenge :)
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L689[16:30:24] <Fluburtur> wish we had stock props
L690[16:30:28] <Fluburtur> electrics too
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L699[16:40:15] <Guest55039> Hi all, I was wondering, is there a better guide or lesson on how to leave orbit and intercept another planet? I kinda got the idea from the tutorial, but I aint to smart in tha thanikin bit to leaving the orbit etc
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L707[17:09:32] <Fluburtur> oooo there is a canadair cl215 in expendables 2
L708[17:09:42] <Fluburtur> with a 150mm gun in the nose heh
L709[17:09:48] <Fluburtur> I want this one in war thunder
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L730[18:11:49] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/7789e7135e60afe858e6da3b2750be12.jpg - One of the largest cargo planes I've ever made.
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L733[18:12:34] <Fluburtur> not bad
L734[18:13:01] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/434847276590956544/20170114171621_1.jpg
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L743[18:38:30] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/c1015c9a6c32f7f7fca6c3bc54b9f255.png - Tried to load one of my small ones and got stuck lol
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L752[19:39:53] <Neal> accidentally overheated my F-104 starfighter's engine going 1500 m/s at 1500m ASL. oops.
L753[19:42:02] <Draconiator> lol
L754[19:43:14] <Neal> the wing loading on this thing is terrible for a deadstick landing
L755[19:49:07] <Rokker> who hasn't seen my beautiful RO mach 2 testbed yet?
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L757[19:52:13] <Rokker> https://imgur.com/a/TOpt3
L758[19:55:27] <Draconiator> What game's that?
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L761[19:58:04] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: The ultimate measure of Kerman is not where they stand in places of orbit or gravity, but where they fall at times of aborts and launch failures.
L762[19:58:56] <Eddi|zuHause> by "fall" you mean "revert"?
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L764[19:59:52] <Scolar_Visari> Save game reverts are the last refuge of scummers.
L765[20:00:22] <Scolar_Visari> Canup & Salmon, "Origin of Phobos and Deimos by the impact of a Vesta-to-Ceres sized body with Mars" Science Advances 2018 http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/4/eaar6887
L766[20:04:09] <Scolar_Visari> Canup & Salmon's work support the argument both Phobos and Deimos are bereft of volatiles, which would be problematic for some ISRU models.
L767[20:05:36] <Scolar_Visari> Belated Nautical News update: U-3523 found https://www.seawarmuseum.dk/en
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L770[20:08:22] <Raptop> I guess that means Phobos and Deimos landers should be prioritized in the next planetary decadal?
L771[20:08:33] <Rokker> Draconiator: KSP
L772[20:08:44] <Rokker> Draconiator: realism overhaul
L773[20:09:00] <Scolar_Visari> Raptop: Third time's the charm?
L774[20:09:47] * Scolar_Visari is not surprised conspiracy theorists have already latched on to the U-3523's discovery
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L777[20:11:39] <Raptop> Scolar_Visari: wait, haven't Russia/USSR already made 3 phobos attempts?
L778[20:12:12] <Scolar_Visari> Raptop: I'm thinking of Phobos-Grunt and Mars 96 as far as landers go.
L779[20:12:39] <Raptop> Ah, I guess Fobos 1 and 2 were just orbiters?
L780[20:13:19] <Rokker> Raptop: wrong
L781[20:13:22] <Scolar_Visari> They had mini-landers, it seems.
L782[20:13:28] <Scolar_Visari> Oh dear . . . "Just because they found this U-boat in this location does not mean the sub, which was one of Nazi Germany's most advanced U-boats at the time, did not made it to South America carrying fleeing Nazi officers -- possibly even Adolf Hitler himself."
L783[20:14:20] <Raptop> Rokker: doh
L784[20:14:23] <Scolar_Visari> Dying in Berlin would've precluded crossing into South America.
L785[20:14:36] <Scolar_Visari> Raptop: It would still, however, be technically the third time for Roscosmos.
L786[20:14:37] <Rokker> Raptop: Phobos 2 had a hopper lander and a stationary lander
L787[20:14:45] * Scolar_Visari ponders if Venera D will ever happen.
L788[20:14:49] <Raptop> Scolar_Visari: Nah, that was a reptilian body double.
L789[20:15:13] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: nah, i like to think hitler lived because it makes the senor hitler mod in HOI4 funnier
L790[20:17:22] <Scolar_Visari> Raptop: Was that the competent one?
L791[20:21:34] <Scolar_Visari> "Those German Nazis were no fools, they all knew the war was lost and made plans to leave Europe well before the end of WW2."
L792[20:21:50] * Scolar_Visari ponders what universe said commenter is living in.
L793[20:22:18] <Scolar_Visari> And for the more inane: "so they found it off the coast of South America then brought it back here to make it look like they found it off the coast of Denmark."
L794[20:22:51] <Raptop> Uh
L795[20:23:39] <Raptop> Though given the UFO propulsion/aviation conspiracy theories, this sounds normal.
L796[20:24:13] <Raptop> Scolar_Visari: I need to borrow one of your habitats, and adjust its spin. https://twitter.com/Alex_Parker/status/987114180632334337
L797[20:24:13] <kmath> <✔Alex_Parker> Makes me wonder — is there an effective lower limit on gravity for stable bicycling? Could we mountain bike on the Moon, or no?
L798[20:25:01] <Scolar_Visari> Raptop: Just add wings and a propeller on it and use a flying bike!
L799[20:25:17] <Raptop> Hah
L800[20:25:35] <Scolar_Visari> Look up https://settlement.arc.nasa.gov/70sArt/AC76-0628.jpeg
L801[20:25:38] <Raptop> Quadcopter+bike?
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L803[20:27:38] <Scolar_Visari> That would make space station bike mounted police more effective.
L804[20:31:23] * Scolar_Visari is disappointed there is not a larger image http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OfYdSSwQfS8/Twtq98Wz2uI/AAAAAAAACFc/e53ey5_yPf0/s1600/space-sprawl.jpg
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L806[20:34:16] <Raptop> That image has a Tsutomu Nihei vibe o_O
L807[20:35:43] <Scolar_Visari> The model looks like it's based on work done by Pierre Moion for a National Geographic article from 1976 penned by none other than Isaac Asimov.
L808[20:36:15] * Scolar_Visari links to, "The Next Frontier?" https://www.flickr.com/photos/42665617@N07/sets/72157626987734175/
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