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L38[04:50:05] <APlayer> Apologies for the join/quit spam.
L39[04:50:35] <TheKosmonaut> APlayer: you should be
L40[04:50:43] <TheKosmonaut> I was appalled
L41[04:50:46] <APlayer> In fact, I am
L42[04:51:11] <TheKosmonaut> The UN was about to convene an emergency meeting to discuss your atrocities
L43[04:51:19] <Althego> hehe
L44[04:51:47] * APlayer has quit (causing more UN meetings)
L45[04:51:52] <Althego> why would fluburtur send me a liquid cat through a bot?
L46[04:52:36] <APlayer> Althego: Thank god it was not a gaseous cat
L47[04:53:09] <APlayer> Imagine if if diffused through the box
L48[04:53:47] <APlayer> Schroedinger's experiment would have to be re-phrased as "Is there a cat in the box at all?"
L49[04:55:40] <Rolf> normally my norepeat works fine but I guess I need to reinstall python heh
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L51[05:22:59] <Olympic1> I just heard the ksp editor music in a tv program :p
L52[05:26:17] <Rolf> you sure its not your brain calling for ksp? ;)
L53[05:26:26] <Althego> free music
L54[05:26:31] <Althego> only the title music is from the devs
L55[05:26:45] <Althego> you can find the in space music in random youtube videos too
L56[05:26:55] <Rolf> lol ok
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L70[06:55:36] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/0a473eaf5ebe4986e9bd5882bd5d6789/tumblr_onekx0qsdm1vrottko1_540.png
L71[06:56:25] <Mat2ch> Oh boy
L72[06:59:06] <Fluburtur> I should probabyl desing the servo holders for my plane
L73[06:59:27] <Fluburtur> they need to be a bit weird because it will use a pull/pull system for the tail controls
L74[06:59:35] <Fluburtur> also I need to work on the tak project
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L76[07:06:23] <Hyst> Any tips on starting to deal with all the fundraising I'm going to have to do to keep up with Career mode?
L77[07:06:39] <Althego> finish contracts
L78[07:15:04] <Fluburtur> I think I designed my tank tracks the wrong way
L79[07:15:25] <Althego> how can it be wrong
L80[07:15:27] <Fluburtur> usually it's the tracks that have the drive pins and the wheels have holes but mine is the opposite
L81[07:15:41] <Fluburtur> but I have seen other stuff do that too
L82[07:15:46] <Fluburtur> I guess it depends on the application
L83[07:17:16] <Fluburtur> anyways
L84[07:17:33] <Fluburtur> I still need to design the drive gears and road wheels and suspensions and gearbox
L85[07:27:58] <zilti> Glorious takeoff into the ground, innit? https://gfycat.com/AlertFarawayLacewing
L86[07:32:32] <Althego> old
L87[07:33:09] <Althego> ok, just similar plane
L88[07:35:15] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: not weird and usually done with a single servo
L89[07:35:39] <Fluburtur> yeah but I have rudder and elevator
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L91[07:35:48] <Fluburtur> but I need to make a mount with wire guides
L92[07:36:07] <Fluburtur> rc planes of that size usually only have a single push/pull rod
L93[07:36:26] <Fluburtur> but I can't put the servos on the tail of the plane or it will make it too tail heavy
L94[07:39:44] <Fluburtur> uh why can't you dump fuel in stock ksp
L95[07:44:14] <zilti> Why can't you build a non-heavily-oscillating plane in ksp
L96[07:44:41] <Althego> yes sometimes it would be nice to dump fuel
L97[07:45:10] <Althego> everybody else seems to be building them fine
L98[07:47:17] <zilti> I'm firmly convinced that's absolutely impossible with the standard early-game wheels
L99[07:47:26] <Althego> on the ground?
L100[07:47:31] <zilti> Yes, on the ground
L101[07:47:33] <Althego> have you tried rolling on the grass instead?
L102[07:47:38] <Gasher> lol
L103[07:47:48] <Gasher> have you tried to make another plane
L104[07:47:57] <Althego> also doesnt matter much because if it is designed correctly it takes off in second
L105[07:47:58] <Althego> s
L106[07:48:15] <Fluburtur> lel some of my planes use like half of the runway
L107[07:48:27] <Fluburtur> the ones I make to be somewhat realistic
L108[07:48:29] <Gasher> or TWR>1 and no runway needed
L109[07:48:43] <zilti> I have tried making a dozen planes. Half of them manage to take off allright before they start oscillating and wobbling so strongly that they become uncontrollable. As soon as they're airborne, they work perfectly fine.
L110[07:49:53] <zilti> Argh, no, I can't make it to the grass. The steep ramp down to the grass is hard enough to make the wheels break
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L117[08:15:20] <Althego> hehe
L118[08:15:25] <Althego> maybe 1.4.3 helps next week
L119[08:17:45] <Althego> but its is true that thos ediagonal wheels are horrible
L120[08:18:01] <Althego> generally there is like a 50% chance they survive landing
L121[08:18:07] <Althego> so you can land with them once
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L123[08:32:01] <Gasher> you don't need legs if your intent in landing just once
L124[08:32:22] <Althego> not if you intend to land mostly in one piece
L125[08:32:33] <Althego> otherwise just build a rocket with parachutes
L126[08:32:37] <Althego> lot easier
L127[08:32:40] <zilti> But I need them to take off. Although I heavily doubt "the legs are horrible" explains the heavy oscillations along the roll axis
L128[08:35:07] <Althego> what i see from that video it can be very well because of the wheels
L129[08:35:32] <Althego> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_(automotive)
L130[08:36:24] <Althego> most strange runway effects can be explained by the body/wings bending (if the wheels are on the wings, but better not put there any) or with the unstable way the wheels are mounted
L131[08:36:43] <Gasher> yeah that
L132[08:37:51] <zilti> Well, my wheels definitely don't have a toe angle and are mounted on the main body. But eh, I've seen it with planes in this game for a while now, anyway, I guess
L133[08:38:16] <Gasher> damn
L134[08:38:35] <Gasher> so their axes are not parallel?
L135[08:38:59] <Gasher> btw what version is current now? 1.4.2 and making history?
L136[08:39:06] <zilti> No, they are parallel in my case
L137[08:39:21] <zilti> I had non-parallels once, that gives totally different oscillations.
L138[08:39:27] <Althego> as you can see in the topic
L139[08:40:33] <zilti> Non-parallel rear wheels make the plane hop around as if it has to go pee
L140[08:42:01] <Gasher> ok, downloading the latest one to see for myself
L141[08:42:24] <Althego> but as i said probebly on tueasday (wednesday) there is an 1.4.3
L142[08:43:41] <Gasher> well then i'll update it then again
L143[08:44:40] <Gasher> oh my
L144[08:44:46] <Gasher> i forgot when i got KSP
L145[08:45:04] <Gasher> 2012-11-11
L146[08:45:38] <Gasher> they have a bug with dates maybe??
L147[08:45:46] <Althego> not really
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L151[08:51:19] <Gasher> zilti, so were you talking about missions or sandbox?
L152[08:51:57] <zilti> Gasher: career mode
L153[08:52:21] <zilti> I doubt anyone voluntarily uses those "wheels" as soon as others are available
L154[08:52:39] <Althego> in general do not build planes in career, mostly long and boring missions
L155[08:53:10] <Gasher> yeah lol
L156[08:53:18] <Gasher> so career with starting parts for a plane?
L157[08:54:18] <zilti> Almost the starting parts, yes. With only the starting parts it is literally impossible to get a plane off the ground (at least with FAR installed?)
L158[08:55:04] <Gasher> damn, far
L159[08:55:29] <Althego> i cant help you with that
L160[08:55:52] <Althego> but people say in general the plane behaves more realistically, thus somewhat better understandable with far
L161[08:56:14] <Althego> i would make it a taildragger with slightly elevated nose, that takes off on its own in a matter of seconds
L162[08:56:44] <Althego> so put the big wheels on the front, the small in the back
L163[08:57:01] <Althego> maybe use two engines on the body: intake-tank-engine on both sides
L164[08:57:08] <Gasher> also far gives you intruments to evaluate the design
L165[08:57:15] <zilti> I did this before, still get horrible oscillations I have to heavily counter-steer just before takeoff. So far, what I currently have (two wheels in the back) is *more* stable on the runway than a taildragger when using jet engines
L166[08:58:08] <Gasher> hm, wait, does FAR support the latest version?
L167[08:58:09] <Althego> then wait for the deployable small landing gear, those should be ok
L168[08:58:14] <Althego> it is jsut one node higehr
L169[08:58:26] <zilti> Gasher: I'm on 1.3.1, and that at least is supported
L170[08:58:32] <Gasher> ah damn
L171[08:58:53] <Althego> in normal difficulty you can easily get at least the small landing gear
L172[08:58:55] <Gasher> then just make another plane, move stuff around
L173[08:59:45] <Gasher> oh wait
L174[08:59:48] <Gasher> oscillations
L175[09:00:09] <Gasher> maybe you can counter it with spring/damper fiddling
L176[09:00:18] <Althego> not on that wheel
L177[09:00:21] <zilti> Those fixed wheels don't have any dampers
L178[09:00:27] <Althego> they just bend on their own
L179[09:00:40] <Gasher> plus i think i remember the issue - the wheel makes a bumb when it is moved by the craft's weight too far
L180[09:00:41] <Althego> not even the autostruts help that
L181[09:00:45] <Gasher> hence oscillations
L182[09:01:09] <Gasher> so the strut which holds the wheel bumps into the ground
L183[09:01:29] <Gasher> maybe put off fuel until it's lighter
L184[09:02:31] <zilti> Or just add some boosters, call it "turbine-assisted rocket" and call it a day
L185[09:02:44] <Althego> rockets are easier
L186[09:02:52] <Althego> no need to bothey yourself with planes
L187[09:02:59] <Althego> unless you want the challenge
L188[09:03:26] <Gasher> it's that issue with the starting wheel
L189[09:03:41] <Gasher> it moves the wheel too far from the socket under weight
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L194[10:31:13] <Althego> hehe, the coolest telescope (0.015K)
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L202[11:06:23] <Althego> hehe and skye was there with him, poked into the picture when she took a book
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L206[11:27:48] <kermit> Hello there.
L207[11:29:19] <kermit> I've some a little question concerning the "making history" DLC of KSP. After purchasing it, I can't find the new parts, not even in the techtree.
L208[11:30:41] <Althego> then it is not installed (correctly)
L209[11:31:22] <Althego> is there a squadexpansion dir in the ksp*/gamedata dir?
L210[11:33:02] <kermit> Yes there is a squadexpansion folder in it.
L211[11:34:03] <kermit> Or is it because I've startet a new game?
L212[11:38:10] <kermit> Edit: I'm not sure if its important, but I'm a linux user.
L213[11:38:17] <Althego> i am not sure what would happen in an old savegame
L214[11:39:42] <kermit> So maybe trying to research the whole techtree new? I'mean they even don't show up there...
L215[11:40:22] <Althego> but at least the new menu is there at startup, right?
L216[11:41:40] <kermit> "kinda" the first menue is the old one, ater klicking on play I have two more options the "missions" and the "editor"
L217[11:41:47] <Althego> yes, that is it
L218[11:41:54] <Althego> so i guess it does not apply to old saves
L219[11:42:16] <Althego> you can try to start a new one and see if the techtree has the new items
L220[11:43:50] <kermit> Thats what aI'm talking about^^ The techtree shows only the "old" parts what I can unlock.
L221[11:46:57] <kermit> Okay now its getting strage... I can choose the "Vostok/Voskhod capusle but the tectree is still vanilla...
L222[11:47:12] <Althego> the techtree looks the same
L223[11:47:20] <Althego> there are just few extra parts in the nodes
L224[11:47:27] <FLHerne> zilti: If the video you linked yesterday is a representative example:
L225[11:47:54] <FLHerne> The main gear is very far back, well behind the centre of mass, so you need a lot of speed/lift to rotate
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L227[11:48:34] <FLHerne> The gear is set up with the wings pretty much level, so you don't get much lift /before/ you rotate, causing a chicken-and-egg problem
L228[11:49:03] <zilti> FLHerne: the problem being, when I put it less far back, the engine touches the runway and goes boom
L229[11:49:23] <FLHerne> Not to mention that elevators work by pushing the tail of the aircraft down, and because the legs are so far back they've got almost no lever arm
L230[11:49:32] <FLHerne> s/legs/wheels/, obviously
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L233[11:50:42] <FLHerne> The result being that you're having to go crazy-fast until random suspension oscillations cause the thing to rotate far enough to lift off
L234[11:51:08] <FLHerne> (and in most cases, those random oscillations will cause you to crash first)
L235[11:51:25] <FLHerne> zilti: Have you discovered the fine-control option? (press capslock)
L236[11:51:47] <FLHerne> If you have, turn the max range of your elevators down a bit
L237[11:51:57] <Althego> if the tail is pressing the wheels into the ground, it could cause the bending of those beams (the wheel part)
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L239[11:52:12] <FLHerne> *if you have and it still didn't let you control pitch accurately
L240[11:53:04] <zilti> FLHerne: I have indeed. Well my other plane, a twin-engine with a tail wheel at the very back and two wheels in front of the wings takes off at 75m/s, but that's also because the tail is naturally lower. Still, I have to be careful or it will randomly decide to ram a wing into the ground at takeoff
L241[11:53:40] <FLHerne> With a reasonably-designed aircraft, you should be able to control pitch quite accurately. Just holding down 'S' will definitely explode your engines though.
L242[11:54:11] <FLHerne> A normal tricycle landing gear has the main wheels only slightly behind the CoM
L243[11:54:38] <FLHerne> The single nose gear is only for balance and carries hardly any weight, which minimises side-to-side wobbling
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L245[11:55:51] <FLHerne> With a taildragger, you want the main gear only slightly /ahead/ of the CoM, and the tailwheel should be off the ground within a few seconds of starting moving
L246[11:56:13] <FLHerne> (taildraggers are harder, both in RL and KSP)
L247[11:56:17] <Althego> maybe bit more than slightly, because think of braking :)
L248[11:56:48] <zilti> Taildraggers are absolutely awful to land though, so I've installed two braking chutes
L249[11:56:55] <Althego> hehe
L250[11:57:24] <FLHerne> The point being that the aircraft should pretty much balance on, and pivot around, the main wheels. Whichever end you put the castor on, it's just for balance
L251[11:57:56] <zilti> Also having to constantly steer up and countersteer the slight roll to the left gets a bit annoying...
L252[11:58:10] <FLHerne> (and yes, taildraggers flipping is prototypical :P https://youtu.be/o4oOhumKco4?t=22)
L253[11:58:19] <Althego> or alternatively, have them as far in the back as possible if you expect rough terrain landings, and use canards to lift the nose instead of pushing th tail down
L254[11:58:36] <FLHerne> Althego: Oh, that's a good plan
L255[11:58:45] <FLHerne> I may have to steal it :P
L256[11:59:13] <Althego> one does not simply land on duna :)
L257[11:59:53] <FLHerne> zilti: Mod+WASDQE is 'trim'
L258[12:00:13] <zilti> Yeah not gonna fly without canards, it's a lifesaver
L259[12:00:38] <FLHerne> If you press Mod+S once, it then behaves as if you're constantly steering slightly up
L260[12:00:55] <Althego> problem is, that you cant move trim while moving the controls. at least have some separate elevator trim
L261[12:05:11] <zilti> Hmm when starting rockets, I never realized there were big islands not only south of, but also to the east of Florida
L262[12:06:39] <FLHerne> One of them has a grass runway. Good for testing planes ;-)
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L267[12:19:48] <zilti> Well, good to know. I'm not sure if I have enough gas to reach Kourou
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L280[13:37:11] <Draconiator> How do I reset Module Manager? I think one of my mods is acting up.
L281[13:38:04] <APlayer> You may delete the cache and other files MM created in your GameData
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L283[13:46:49] <Draconiator> Ahhh thank you.
L284[13:50:27] <Fluburtur> APlayer your challenge goal is pretty hardcore
L285[13:50:39] <APlayer> Hehe
L286[13:50:45] <APlayer> The 100 funds part?
L287[13:50:58] <Fluburtur> 5 tons EZ, supersonic EZ, 1 hour flight time ehhh
L288[13:51:04] <APlayer> Ah
L289[13:51:20] <Fluburtur> I could get 48 minutes with my first design
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L291[13:51:56] <APlayer> Well, it's the combination that does it. You said it was easy, so I had to add the 100 fund limit, but if it is not, go ahead with unlimited funds
L292[13:52:34] <Fluburtur> but getting one hour of flight time isn't easy
L293[13:52:43] <Fluburtur> I think some of my planes can do it
L294[13:52:58] <Fluburtur> I know my cafe racer can do it and it can go supersonic and it uses wheesleys so very efficient
L295[13:53:00] <APlayer> Consider it a supersonic aerospace cargo hauler. ;-)
L296[13:54:24] <Draconiator> I love the challenge you gave us by the way Player, REALLY need to think. love using my head
L297[13:55:05] <Draconiator> I loved the design I came up with and saved it for later experimentation, but I had to start over.
L298[13:55:22] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/434846239591366666/20180414225821_1.jpg
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L300[13:55:30] <iliketoeatoof> i know the way
L301[13:55:41] <iliketoeatoof> im stuck on laythe
L302[13:55:47] <Fluburtur> APlayer those are my two usual workhorses https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/434847276590956544/20170114171621_1.jpg
L303[13:55:57] <iliketoeatoof> hi
L304[13:55:58] <Mod9000> Hello, iliketoeatoof
L305[13:55:59] <Fluburtur> big one can carry like 50+ tons of cargo
L306[13:56:06] <Fluburtur> smaller can carry like 20
L307[13:56:20] <iliketoeatoof> how many mods can you eat
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L309[13:56:36] <UmbralRaptop> o_O
L310[13:56:42] <APlayer> In fact, I just randomly picked things that sounded interesting and was lucky enough to hit a sweet spot where it is possible but hard. ;-)
L311[13:57:25] <Fluburtur> I could try the challenge with the big boi but it already needs like 10t of ballast in the nose so it is stable
L312[13:57:38] <Fluburtur> so adding 5t of payload is basically flying it empty
L313[13:57:57] <APlayer> I should say, at least 5 tons. ;-)
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L315[14:01:44] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/00844286606da940feed415a027f608f.png - Attempting it with this initial fuselage.
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L317[14:02:48] <APlayer> Something about those nose cones right behind the wing strakes looks redundant to me.
L318[14:03:03] <APlayer> But I guess it's useful in KSP anyway, and probably IRL would be too.
L319[14:04:30] <Fluburtur> we should do a glider challenge
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L322[14:08:23] <Fluburtur> you really need to go above 20km to be very efficient
L323[14:09:39] <Draconiator> if we give up on this one...>RULES FOR THE GLIDER CHALLENGE - ONLY power, 2 Seperatrons, because you can't really give a glider a boost, we go for longest glide time?
L324[14:10:05] <Fluburtur> I was thinking more like using a juno drop pod to put it at a certain speed and altitude then see
L325[14:11:01] <Draconiator> Ah.
L326[14:11:06] <Draconiator> that works.
L327[14:13:56] <Fluburtur> oh goddamnit
L328[14:14:13] <Fluburtur> I printed an adaoter to use my camera with my telescope but it's not the right size
L329[14:14:30] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/a11e997b20fd0688c5fe4d830d53035b.jpg - MY STAR WARS BETTER THAN YOUR STAR WARS HEHE
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L332[14:22:42] <Draconiator> lesseeeeee...limiting the throttle to 50% works but will it go supersonic?
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L334[14:25:04] <Draconiator> NOOOOPE
L335[14:26:22] <Fluburtur> cruising at 23km would be idea for high efficiency
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L339[14:42:26] <UmbralRaptop> Draconiator: it's overweight for proper aircraft shenanigans.
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L341[14:43:09] <UmbralRaptop> Shock cone + Mk1 inline cockpit + mk1 fuselage + turboram
L342[14:44:39] <UmbralRaptop> Which is I guess like sticking a J-58 in an F-104.
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L344[14:56:28] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/435166475960188928/DSC_8708.JPG
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L347[14:59:10] <Draconiator> Ooooh this is cool, just found the diagnostic mode on my iPod 3G
L348[14:59:40] <APlayer> This kind of statement is what differentiates us nerds from normal people. :-)
L349[15:00:00] <Fluburtur> 50 minutes of flight on my kc20 and I might have 10 more
L350[15:00:07] <Fluburtur> almost circled kerbin
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L352[15:02:07] <Fluburtur> still didn't egt the blender import thing to work however, so I can't print my ksp crafts
L353[15:05:31] <Gasher> Fluburtur, 3d printed threading?
L354[15:05:40] <Fluburtur> yeah
L355[15:05:51] <Fluburtur> adapter thingy so I can put m camera on my telescope
L356[15:06:00] <Fluburtur> in a more elegant manner than just gluing it on
L357[15:06:05] <Gasher> ah
L358[15:06:12] <Gasher> they have their weird threadings there
L359[15:06:19] <Fluburtur> also, passed the KSC
L360[15:06:32] <Gasher> weird aka their own standard
L361[15:06:34] <Fluburtur> nah mine uses just a barrel type thingy with a screw to secure the lens
L362[15:06:52] <Fluburtur> 57 minutes of flight time
L363[15:07:31] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/435169280473169931/IMG_20180201_023149.jpg
L364[15:08:48] <Fluburtur> I could take pics like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/435169523381960722/DSC_8330.JPG
L365[15:08:52] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/435169578004381706/DSC_8557.JPG
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L367[15:09:25] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/90c889ed99ecc2eb4bc4cd9dc03ce4cf.jpg
L368[15:10:32] <dhtns> I'm kinda new to KSP and I think I'm stuck
L369[15:10:39] <dhtns> I can't get the spacebar to launch / stage
L370[15:10:39] <Fluburtur> oh no
L371[15:10:47] <dhtns> I don't know what's wrong :|
L372[15:10:49] <Fluburtur> I have 59.50 minutes of fuel in the big one
L373[15:11:00] <dhtns> has anyone had a similar problem?
L374[15:11:17] <dhtns> I'm just following the "training" tutorials
L375[15:11:47] <tawny> check that you haven't switched to docking controls by accident
L376[15:12:10] <ve2dmn> dhtns: can you provide a Screenshot?
L377[15:12:17] <Draconiator> Or see of you have electricity\
L378[15:12:18] <dhtns> ve2dmn: yup
L379[15:12:46] <tawny> in the bottom left there'll be three lil square icons in a column, you want the green spaceship one to be lit up
L380[15:13:04] <dhtns> tawny: Yes, that one is currently lit up
L381[15:13:08] <tawny> alright
L382[15:13:09] <tawny> hmmm
L383[15:13:44] <dhtns> https://imgur.com/0ReO4tj
L384[15:13:44] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/0ReO4tj.jpg
L385[15:14:08] <dhtns> Also, the "stage" light is blinking green
L386[15:15:12] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: I saw something and I was thinking of your planes: https://imgur.com/a/9PhsU
L387[15:15:12] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/o8qulXK.jpg
L388[15:15:24] <Fluburtur> ooo nice
L389[15:15:56] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/435171385183305728/20180415221030_1.jpg
L390[15:16:07] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/435171460412211210/20180415221432_1.jpg
L391[15:16:54] <ve2dmn> dhtns: right click on any rocket part and try staging again
L392[15:17:53] <dhtns> ve2dmn: Ok, I tried right-clicking so you get the details window for a part, and then pressing space
L393[15:17:56] <dhtns> nothing happens :/
L394[15:19:02] <dhtns> (I can manually click the "activate engine" button in such a details window, but that doesn't launch a stage)
L395[15:19:08] <ve2dmn> dhtns: pressing 't' or 'r' doesnt do anything?
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L399[15:19:53] <dhtns> ve2dmn: that toggles SAS and RCS (so those keys seem to work...)
L400[15:20:29] <dhtns> I can also press qwe/asd to change roll/pitch/yaw
L401[15:20:39] <dhtns> It's just the damn space bar :p
L402[15:20:50] <ve2dmn> ok... weird
L403[15:21:13] <ve2dmn> try going into setting and changin the spacebar to another button?
L404[15:21:54] <dhtns> ve2dmn: okay, lemme search for the key bindings
L405[15:22:23] <ve2dmn> dhtns: I'm sort of out of idea and th
L406[15:22:50] <ve2dmn> aside from Input lock issues, but I'm not sure thoses are relavant bugs anymore
L407[15:22:51] <dhtns> ve2dmn: I tried googling, but nobody seems to have had my particular problem :|
L408[15:23:09] <dhtns> Can you change key bindings under "view keybindings"?
L409[15:23:44] <dhtns> I'm not finding a way to change them
L410[15:24:28] <ve2dmn> I'll start KSP and check
L411[15:24:40] <ve2dmn> I don't know these things off the top of my head
L412[15:25:15] <dhtns> Maybe I should just report an issue on their official bug tracker or something
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L414[15:28:45] <ve2dmn> dhtns: try ALT+L
L415[15:29:16] <dhtns> ve2dmn: nothing :/
L416[15:29:20] <ve2dmn> and X ?
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L418[15:31:04] <dhtns> also nothing (well, anything + x sets throttle to zero)
L419[15:31:15] <dhtns> although, right shift + space makes the stage button purple!
L420[15:31:21] <dhtns> but I still can't launch
L421[15:31:36] <dhtns> and if I hit right shift + space again, it goes right back to blinking green...
L422[15:31:53] <ve2dmn> wait... are you On Windows, Linux or MacOS?
L423[15:32:01] <dhtns> (sorry, I meant right shift + L)
L424[15:32:05] <dhtns> ve2dmn: linux
L425[15:32:10] <ve2dmn> ha
L426[15:32:18] <ve2dmn> Then ALT does nothing :D
L427[15:32:24] <ve2dmn> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Key_bindings
L428[15:32:30] <ve2dmn> see 'lock stage'
L429[15:32:49] <dhtns> Ahaaa
L430[15:33:06] <dhtns> So in theory, not running in windowed mode should fix that
L431[15:33:36] <ve2dmn> no
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L433[15:35:35] <dhtns> Hmmm, I'll figure it out :)
L434[15:35:40] <dhtns> ve2dmn: thanks for the help
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L437[15:47:22] <Tortoise767> yeah I hate how it's right-shift on linux instead of alt
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L444[16:06:21] <Guest86102> Hi All, I have a question
L445[16:08:13] <Guest86102> I'm restarting my game, but for some reason when I launch the flea, pod and chute (pressure set to .75)and in the right order, my chute keeps deploying om launch
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L447[16:10:19] <Guest86102> another thing, when I change my setting for custom the MC is not available. How am I supposed to do anything without a mission to gain points?
L448[16:12:08] <UmbralRaptor> You'll want to check the staging (lower right in VAB) for the chute.
L449[16:12:35] <Guest86102> hmm. Ok. I have been changing it on the left
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L451[16:12:55] <UmbralRaptor> That also works in that the staging is on the left in flight.
L452[16:13:36] <Guest86102> Odd. I have the chute on top of the engine icon, but it still deploys
L453[16:14:58] <UmbralRaptor> The chute needs to be on separate stages, not just above. Uh, I can post a screenshot in a few minutes.
L454[16:15:10] <Guest86102> Ok I got ya
L455[16:15:26] <Guest86102> so, what about the MC issue
L456[16:16:05] <Guest86102> I think I have access to R&D but not to controll
L457[16:16:09] <Guest86102> control
L458[16:16:49] <Guest86102> I just want to move along better with the game
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L460[16:17:05] <Guest86102> sim... what ever
L461[16:18:11] <Guest86102> I thought it was kind of odd that I don't even have access to couplers early on
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L463[16:21:41] <UmbralRaptor> If you're in science mode, the research points come entirely from collecting and retrieving science points. Right click on a kerbal on EVA, a command module, or an instrument (eg: a goo cannister) in flight mode to collect.
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L466[16:23:10] <oren> despite a slight problem involving having very little control and lift at slow speeds, the megashuttle has landed entirely intact!
L467[16:23:17] <oren> https://imgur.com/bbIwK1k
L468[16:23:18] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/bbIwK1k.jpg
L469[16:23:19] <UmbralRaptor> yay
L470[16:23:31] <Guest86102> I did that before in a mission, but didn't have enough power to xmit the data (No solar panels). Thanks tho
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L474[16:26:40] <oren> I was able to maintain a low sink rate until it got to 15 km and 1000 m/s
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L476[16:31:16] <UmbralRaptor> No need to xmit if you can recover the craft.
L477[16:31:22] <UmbralRaptor> bah
L478[16:31:50] <Arcan> oren: no wings?
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L480[16:49:44] <Fluburtur> adapter done https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/435195003237695488/DSC_8709.JPG
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L482[16:57:04] <oren> Arcan: no wings needed. final landing is with paracutes only
L483[17:04:16] <Arcan> neat
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L498[18:32:01] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
L499[18:32:45] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/82706e8a11505ca62807656eac014fdd.png - Had an older backup of KSP when my drive failed, so I found out that there's no base on Mun anymore....heh
L500[18:41:40] <UmbralRaptor> Uh, that was introduced in 0.14, and removed in 0.14.1 >_>
L501[18:43:01] <UmbralRaptor> *0.14.2 and 0.14.3
L502[18:43:04] <Supernovy> But you could make a mission where there's a launchpad there now.
L503[18:48:09] <Draconiator> I meant THE base that was obn Mun that I built in the VAB and placed there does not exist anymore.
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L507[19:11:00] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/ba4ed09b5ce1512887ba7e5a8303ce1b.png
L508[19:11:03] <oren> I have two bases on the mun and one under construction
L509[19:11:48] <oren> I should probably hurry up and actually leave kerbin SOI for once
L510[19:14:28] <oren> This save is still on 1.2.1
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L513[19:26:39] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: To maintain compliance with galactic law, the Earth will be subjected to complete sterilization. We apologize for any inconvenience.
L514[19:30:14] <Arcan> well, that shouldn't be a problem
L515[19:30:22] <Arcan> we all moved to the Prime Material some ages ago
L516[19:31:35] <Fluburtur> a wild kv2 in its natural habitat https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/435234468110925827/20180416021459_1.jpg
L517[19:32:19] <Scolar_Visari> Observe as the majestic tank enters the water to return to its spawning grounds.
L518[19:32:35] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/435234502457950218/20180416021540_1.jpg
L519[19:34:29] <Scolar_Visari> Its natural predator, the Heer assault gun, follows it hoping for a fresh meal following a hard winter.
L520[19:35:29] <Scolar_Visari> Aha, I finally found it! http://www.spacefuture.com/archive/the_architecture_of_artificial_gravity_theory_form_and_function_in_the_high_frontier.shtml
L521[19:38:02] <UmbralRaptor> Today in silly calculations: if stellar luminosity scales with M^4 (roughly applicable to AFGK stars), then orbital speed for an earth analogue scales with M^-0.5
L522[19:38:53] <Scolar_Visari> What, no love for Ms!?
L523[19:39:00] <UmbralRaptor> So, uh, ΔV-wise, interplanetary travel is harder around a low mass star. (Even if life support is less demanding)
L524[19:39:27] <UmbralRaptor> M-dwarfs are confusing and scary.
L525[19:40:05] <UmbralRaptor> Especially anything later than M1.
L526[19:40:37] <Scolar_Visari> You say that now, but they eventually become less active . . . I think.
L527[19:40:43] * Scolar_Visari glares at the flaring Proxima.
L528[19:41:29] <UmbralRaptor> I think Prox Cen has significantly higher average x-ray luminosity than Sol.
L529[19:42:12] <Scolar_Visari> It was briefly visible last week.
L530[19:42:48] <UmbralRaptor> Yeah. Which is very, uh, impressive? scary?
L531[19:43:17] <Scolar_Visari> Also: I suppose it's just as well interplanetary travel should also be easier around A and Fs given their larger habitable zones.
L532[19:43:32] <UmbralRaptor> Also, you can't find good metallicity figures. (anything 0.2ish is an assumed value from Alpha Cen A and B)
L533[19:45:50] <Scolar_Visari> Teehee http://www.spacefuture.com/archive/artificial_gravity_swimming_pool.shtml
L534[19:46:39] <UmbralRaptor> I was inspired by a paper on arXiv (and I think a pop sci type magazine?) Saying that interstellar travel from places like Prox Cen and TRAPPIST 1 is barely possible.
L535[19:48:17] <Scolar_Visari> Psht, you just stop by Alpha Centauri A and B instead.
L536[19:49:50] <Scolar_Visari> Though where is this magazine article?
L537[19:52:08] <UmbralRaptor> https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.03698
L538[19:52:26] <UmbralRaptor> Scientific American, apparently.
L539[19:52:49] <UmbralRaptor> It's, uh, pretty meh.
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L541[19:57:43] <Scolar_Visari> Wait . . . They're discussing interstellar escape with chemical rockets alone!?
L542[19:58:26] <UmbralRaptor> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L543[19:59:02] <UmbralRaptor> Please do not hijack starshot's lasers to vaporize them.
L544[19:59:51] <Scolar_Visari> I'm hoping the author goes into detail about gravitational assist being the only reason Voyager didn't need a Saturn V.
L545[20:00:46] <UmbralRaptor> I wish.
L546[20:01:17] <Scolar_Visari> You know, in retrospect, I'd think, "Grand tours" of red dwarf star systems would be a rather frequent possibility given the inevitably short orbital periods.
L547[20:01:34] <Scolar_Visari> Which would make subsequent interstellar missions much easier.
L548[20:02:11] <Scolar_Visari> More importantly: WHY THE FIXATION ON CHEMICAL PROPULSION!?
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L550[20:03:18] <UmbralRaptor> Again, I don't know.
L551[20:05:02] <Scolar_Visari> That's like discussing maritime commerce in the Atlantic in the context of single occupant row boats.
L552[20:05:17] <Scolar_Visari> Possible? Yes. A good idea? Hells to the no.
L553[20:06:51] <Scolar_Visari> Amusingly, the supposed SA article does reference several other articles co-written by Loeb.
L554[20:09:00] * Scolar_Visari mutters something about a paper that looks like it took an hour to write at 2 am as a favor to someone.
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L556[20:09:33] <UmbralRaptor> Hah
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L558[20:13:32] <Scolar_Visari> Sort of like half the reviews I've red for nu Lost in Space.
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L560[20:13:40] <Scolar_Visari> I approve, however: It has a geth.
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L562[20:16:17] <UmbralRaptor> There was *another* reboot?
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L564[20:17:37] <Scolar_Visari> Yes, it's a series on Netflix now.
L565[20:17:59] <Scolar_Visari> It stars a geth as Robot https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pjimage-4.jpg?quality=65&strip=all
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L567[20:21:11] * Scolar_Visari eagerly anticipates the live action adaptation of Consider Phlebas.
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L570[20:24:15] <Frylovespi> Are there any forum moderators that can change my forum name from Fryloespi to Frylovespi on account of fatfingeritis?
L571[20:29:46] <oren> https://imgur.com/a/Hjtpq
L572[20:29:46] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/W0hBmAy.jpg
L573[20:31:14] <oren> I got tired of shuttling fuel and cargo from my immobile base to landed craft, so instead I built a mobile base
L574[20:33:45] <Scolar_Visari> oren: That's why we need autonomous little propellant delivery drones.
L575[20:36:47] <TheKosmonaut> Frylovespi: Please post in the nick change request thread on the forum
L576[20:37:21] <oren> Scolar_Visari: well I tried to deliver a lot of fuel on each trip, but pictured is the fate of the munar megarefueler: https://imgur.com/rH8GefN
L577[20:37:22] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/rH8GefN.jpg
L578[20:37:22] <Frylovespi> thanks
L579[20:37:26] <TheKosmonaut> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/110713-the-name-change-thread-warning-one-time-only/
L580[20:37:30] <TheKosmonaut> Frylovespi: sorry, here's the link
L581[20:38:07] <Scolar_Visari> oren: Some one needs to get out and tip that over.
L582[20:38:27] * Scolar_Visari ponders Skylab 2 and Salyut 7 level rescue missions in KSP.
L583[20:39:39] <Frylovespi> much appreciated!
L584[20:41:47] <Scolar_Visari> Weeee! https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pjimage-4.jpg?quality=65&strip=all
L585[20:43:06] <TheKosmonaut> Frylovespi: Thanks, it will be fixed soon. I think those that *can* do the nick changes are sleeping right now
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L587[20:44:06] <Frylovespi> All good just glad I can change it.
L588[20:45:46] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut: Clearly we need a mod for ever time zone.
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L590[20:49:25] <oren> https://imgur.com/Y9xSX2E
L591[20:49:25] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/Y9xSX2E.jpg
L592[20:50:19] <oren> hooray \ouo/ the shortage of ore/fuel in munar orbit is over
L593[20:51:42] <Scolar_Visari> Now you can build the fleet of ships needed to colonize Jool.
L594[20:51:56] <oren> yeah
L595[20:52:09] <oren> I have a space train ready for the flight to duna
L596[20:52:33] <oren> laythe is next
L597[20:53:21] * Scolar_Visari ponders https://www.amazon.com/future-world-agriculture-Disney-Center/dp/0717281426
L598[20:53:40] <Scolar_Visari> oren: Duna. Desert Planet. Source of all the Ike in the galaxy.
L599[20:56:40] <oren> Scolar_Visari: published 1984
L600[20:57:06] <oren> I wonder how many "in the next 30 years" things will be horribly worng
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L602[20:57:56] <TheKosmonaut> Scolar_Visari: more like Squad staff
L603[20:58:34] <Scolar_Visari> oren: Well, 3D printing replacing all manufacturing and The Singularity are already going awry.
L604[20:59:21] <Scolar_Visari> I'm also hopeful that people in the future will look back at Reality Television as a phenomenon unique to the last decade.
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L615[22:01:02] <Draconiator> So I took a picture of my SSD ...and noticed something strange. https://i.gyazo.com/46e6325c17a57299a1b9edc2cfeea022.jpg - The bottom is slightly bent...could that be caused by the lens on the camera?
L616[22:03:50] <oren> Draconiator: the top is bent too
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L620[22:22:23] <TheKosmonaut> 8gb SSD?... Do you just store the OS on there?
L621[22:22:26] <jgkamat> just hold a ruler up to it to see
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L625[23:09:37] <KrazyKrl> What do you want to bet that that "drive" is actually a compact flash or just 8GB of EEPROM.
L626[23:11:33] <SnoopJeDi> an EEPROM drive...
L627[23:11:35] * SnoopJeDi blinks
L628[23:18:04] <KrazyKrl> according to the data sheet... it has ~3600 IOPS... my 840 Evo has ~221,000 IOPS (capped at 94000 due to SATA)
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L630[23:19:03] <KrazyKrl> and it has ~100MB/sec read, with 13MB/sec write... it sure sounds like a flash drive.
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L632[23:23:11] <Draconiator> https://youtu.be/zpEVjU1niOM
L633[23:23:11] <kmath> YouTube - What do I do with an 8GB SSD
L634[23:26:23] <KrazyKrl> I never said it was useless... but it seems like a thumb drive in an enclosure. It has terrible R/W speed, terrible IOPS, no SMART capabilities, and has a horrible price per GB.
L635[23:27:04] <Draconiator> that's why I tested with a virtual machine first. how did you get the data sheet anyway?
L636[23:27:55] <KrazyKrl> i googled it :/
L637[23:28:06] <KrazyKrl> https://www.king-dian.com/product/kingdian-s100-sata-ii-ssd-8gb/
L638[23:29:01] <Draconiator> I bought it at Amazon for 8 bucks. heh.
L639[23:30:40] <KrazyKrl> yep. it works if you have an old desposable netbook that you don't really do anything productive on.
L640[23:31:00] <KrazyKrl> But you can get a 200GB+ drive for like 8x the price.
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L642[23:39:21] <Draconiator> http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/8320384 - here's my main potato. heh
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L646[23:43:35] <Guest52414> Not sure if anyone's actually active here
L647[23:44:06] <KrazyKrl> 210 people are afk, i'm also afk.
L648[23:47:05] <oren> I'm active
L649[23:47:17] <SnoopJeDi> Guest52414, it's late at night in the US so many users are inactive
L650[23:47:49] <SnoopJeDi> (plus the I in IRC is for "idle", hehe)
L651[23:48:40] <oren> currently trying to bullsdoze my orver back upright using another rover
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L653[23:49:25] <oren> https://imgur.com/oUsj1Nv
L654[23:49:26] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/oUsj1Nv.jpg
L655[23:50:49] <oren> it'a not working
L656[23:51:10] <KrazyKrl> most of the time when i see that much of a mess of mods, with the MET in yellow due to physics lag... i physically cringe.
L657[23:53:35] <oren> KrazyKrl: it's usially in green, that area of the mun has a lot of large spacecraft nearby
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L659[23:54:13] <KrazyKrl> use a skycrane then?
L660[23:54:31] <KrazyKrl> klaw out the resources to make it lighter; then use a crane.
L661[23:54:45] <oren> hmm, that could work
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