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L33[04:01:11] <Mat2ch> zilti:
language!
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L35[04:15:48] <Althego> what, the runway
didtn explode
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L37[04:21:42] <TheKosmonaut> zilti: indeed.
Please monitor your language in this channel. Since we follow the
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L40[04:44:38] <Gasher> plus that gif looks
like a common thing
L41[04:45:21] <Althego> leaarnt to
wheel
L42[04:45:54] <Gasher> set up control for
wheel in the right way
L43[04:46:18] <kubi> that would help
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L52[05:45:48] <kmath> YouTube - Apollo
space capsule stability tests - Supersonic Small Scale
Project
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L60[06:03:56] <Black_Eagle> what's this
thing when i tilt a winglet even a few degrees and the centre of
lift jumps several meters?
L61[06:04:10] <Fluburtur>
aerodynamics
L62[06:04:34] <Fluburtur> ksp wings have no
lift at 0 aoa so when you tilt them they suddenly generate
lift
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L64[06:04:55] <Althego> hehe
L65[06:04:58] <Althego> yes that is the
wing lift
L66[06:05:07] <Althego> in stock you have
to angle wings a bi
L67[06:05:08] <Althego> t
L68[06:05:14] <Althego> always do
that
L69[06:05:23] <Fluburtur> ksp wings pretty
much only do newtonian lifrt
L70[06:05:34] <Black_Eagle> i've seen the
effect happen a few times but never this badly
L71[06:06:23] <Black_Eagle> tilting the
entire plane should have the same effect, right?
L72[06:06:30] <Fluburtur> aerodynamics are
hard and weird
L73[06:06:31] <Althego> but with more
drag
L74[06:06:32] <Fluburtur> yeah
L75[06:06:46] <Althego> in some cases, like
for sstos that is very undesirabl
L76[06:06:47] <Althego> e
L77[06:06:54] <Fluburtur> the other day I
was looking at graphs for certain airfoils to see which one was
better
L78[06:07:34] <Fluburtur> irl most airfoils
have lift at zero angle
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L80[06:07:41] <BadRocketsCo> Hy
everyone!
L81[06:07:45] <Fluburtur> exept the
symmetrical ones but that makes sense
L82[06:07:46] <Fluburtur> yo
L83[06:07:46] <Althego> because they are
not a flat surface
L84[06:08:11] <Fluburtur> symetrical
airfoils are used a lot in rc 3d airplanes and they rarely fly like
a plane is supposed to
L86[06:08:28] <kmath> YouTube - Delro Raven
- Controllable Pitch Propeller With Vector
L87[06:09:51] <Black_Eagle> ok, solution:
tilting the rear wings as well but the middle segment down and
outer segments up... now vab thinks col is behind com. i wonder if
the flight characteristics think so too
L88[06:10:17] <Althego> probably
L89[06:10:20] <Fluburtur> if you tilt wings
in opposite directions you effectively get airbrakes
L90[06:12:31] <Black_Eagle> i know but it
doesn't really matter that much.
L91[06:12:55] <Black_Eagle> NO
L92[06:12:58] <Black_Eagle> this bug
again
L93[06:13:36] <Black_Eagle> phantom force
at standstill
L94[06:14:02] <Althego> hehe
L95[06:14:17] <Althego> deploy a counter
phantom force source, like a kerbal :)
L96[06:14:44] <Black_Eagle> i'll just wait
till it has completed a full 360
L97[06:15:23] <Gasher> FAR flaps and
spoilers are magical lol
L98[06:19:54] <Black_Eagle> i can't
understand how people make these big planes and show them off on
youtube
L99[06:20:12] <Fluburtur> ask
transitbiker
L100[06:20:12] <Black_Eagle> mine seem to
always come with a bunch of buggy stuff that makes it impossible to
fly
L101[06:20:19] <Althego> hehe
L102[06:20:31] <Black_Eagle> most notably
the phantom forces
L103[06:20:35] <Althego> usually just some
minor issues with brakes
L104[06:20:38] <Althego> err wheels
L105[06:21:09] <Black_Eagle> and by
phantom i mean phantom. symmetrical but it starts yawing or
rolling
L106[06:23:00] <Black_Eagle> well, anyway
goliath ssto doesn't seem like a viable tech anyway
L107[06:24:58] <Gasher> Black_Eagle, use
more and larger wheels and reinforce where they are connected to
body/wings, also place the main one near CoM
L108[06:25:20] <Gasher> that's the first
thing that i can think of - they usually wobble on the ground
because of that
L109[06:26:44] <Black_Eagle> it's not
that. directly connected to body, almost below com but when i'm at
a standstill with brakes on the plane turns
L110[06:26:52] <Black_Eagle> or brakes
off, then it just turns faster
L111[06:27:30] <Black_Eagle> and it turns
around itself (around com probably), turning radius = 0
L112[06:28:06] <Black_Eagle> largest
possible wheels
L113[06:29:13] <Black_Eagle> and the plane
also drifts at a standstill. sideways.
L114[06:29:28] <Althego> any clipped
parts?
L115[06:29:30] <Black_Eagle> this really
isn't my fault and i don't think i can do anything to fix
this
L116[06:30:50] <bees> Black_Eagle: any
payloads?
L117[06:30:52] <Black_Eagle> nothing
major. some minor cosmetic ones - like tucked wings a little inward
so that i can't see the edge of the wing
L118[06:31:02] <bees> Black_Eagle: sounds
really simular to clipped payload
L119[06:31:07] <bees> well, remove those
cosmetic ones
L120[06:31:10] <bees> clipping is
krakenbait
L121[06:31:11] <Black_Eagle> no
payloads
L122[06:31:26] <Althego> these never
caused me any issues
L123[06:31:29] <Black_Eagle> it's going to
look ugly
L124[06:31:38] <Fluburtur> I have more
news about the canadair
L125[06:31:52] <Fluburtur> it moved a bit
further down the tree and might fall off soon
L126[06:31:52] <Althego> firefighters got
it from the tree
L127[06:31:59] <Althego> eh
L128[06:32:09] <Althego> you still need to
go to the island
L129[06:32:22] <Althego> got it, build a
robotic amphibious recovery vehicle :)
L130[06:32:25] <Althego> rc of
course
L131[06:32:28] <Fluburtur> it's held on
only by the tail
L132[06:32:38] <Fluburtur> but I might
know peoples that could get me on the island
L133[06:32:50] <Althego> wind might blow
it off the island if it falls down
L134[06:33:20] <Fluburtur> well,
considering where it is and the way it is pointed there is a good
chance it will fall on the ground
L135[06:33:34] <Fluburtur> I will try to
go there later and take pictures
L136[06:33:54] <Black_Eagle> yup, ugly and
still drifting :P
L137[06:34:11] <Althego> you could try to
remove parts to see what causes it
L138[06:34:28] <Althego> logarithmic
L139[06:37:05] <Black_Eagle> mk 3 ramps as
far as i can tell
L140[06:37:31] <Althego> never used more
than 2
L141[06:38:14] <Gasher> hm, i also got
these turning issues but idk what's the cause
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L143[06:39:09] <Black_Eagle> oh, woops.
wasn't that. i can't pinpoint the exact part because the turning
ceases when i remove my landing gear
L144[06:39:28] <Althego> hehe, maybe 1.4
recent wheel issue
L145[06:39:43] <Althego> 1.4.3 next
week
L146[06:39:45] <Gasher> Althego, it was on
previous version
L147[06:39:49] <Black_Eagle> but heavily
looks like its landing gear
L148[06:40:02] <Black_Eagle> Althego, more
info on that?
L149[06:40:02] <Althego> wait, is trim
on?
L150[06:40:09] <Black_Eagle> no trim
L151[06:40:31] <Althego> without the gear
you also get high friction so maybe it is just occlluded
L152[06:40:45] <Black_Eagle> the force is
greater than mk3 cockpit torque
L153[06:40:52] <Althego> hehe
L154[06:40:54] <Althego> huge
L155[06:40:58] <Black_Eagle> indeed,
that's why i can't tell if it is the landing gear or something
else
L156[06:41:14] <Althego> if you put on an
other gear instead?
L157[06:41:19] <Althego> put the thing on
water?
L159[06:42:54] <Black_Eagle> ah, it was
the landing gear. i put rover wheels on it and the turning
stopped
L160[06:43:08] <Black_Eagle> but it's not
like i'll be able to build this plane with rover wheels :D
L161[06:43:30] <Althego> you can still use
another landing gear, maybe it works with that
L162[06:45:45] <Black_Eagle> wow, okay.
yeah. switching into smaller (the Large) gear did it
L163[06:45:52] <Black_Eagle> what and why
and i want to die
L164[06:47:46] <Althego> "The issues
with the wheels and legs have also been reviewed for this patch.
For instance, 1.4.3 fixes the suspension issue for wheels and legs
that made them bounce uncontrollably, as well as the issue that
caused legs to explode when these got in contact with the ground in
some situations. There has also been a lot of work put into
improving the ground positioning routines for landed
vessels."
L165[06:47:50] <Althego> may be a side
effect
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L170[06:56:40] <Black_Eagle> cool, thank
you Althego
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L184[08:45:02] <Mat2ch> you still need a
ladder
L185[08:46:07] <Flub2> oh no I will just
wait for it to fall down
L186[08:46:16] <Flub2> it is like 10
meters high
L187[08:46:26] <Flub2> im not climbing
that
L188[08:46:37] <Flub2> I actualy kinda
care for my own safety sometimes
L189[08:47:36] <Mat2ch> Get professional
tree climbing stuff. :D
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L191[09:05:44] <Althego> you could try to
hit it with some stone or something
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L194[09:17:16] <GlassYuri> is rpm/s a bad
unit for rotational acceleration
L195[09:17:34] <Althego> looks
strange
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L199[09:24:05] <GlassYuri> Althego, yeah
but acceleration is usually measured per second, while rotation is
per minute
L200[09:24:38] <Althego> use radians per
second
L201[09:25:52] <GlassYuri> that is
unintuitive even for technical people
L202[09:26:16] <GlassYuri> also unity uses
deg
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L206[09:32:59] <Black_Eagle> wiki is
down?
L207[09:34:26] <sandbox> aren't we
all?
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L211[09:41:34] <ve2dmn> Black_Eagle:
no?
L212[09:49:24] <scribbles> When you reset
a mission does it erase the trophies/achievements section?
L213[09:50:42] <ve2dmn> scribbles: on
PS4?
L214[09:51:30] <scribbles> pc, for making
history expansion
L215[09:53:35] <ve2dmn> probably
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L220[10:06:10] <Black_Eagle> ve2dmn hmm
i'm not able to reach. oh well.
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L225[10:11:34] <Gasher> GlassYuri, degrees
per square second?
L226[10:12:12] <GlassYuri> I went with
revolutions per second and revolutions per square second now
L227[10:15:07] <Gasher> all these are
connected with just some coefficients so i guess use whatever you
want, just dont forget what exactly was chosen :)
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L235[10:23:50] <Guest24043> Hello
there.
L236[10:24:23] <sandbox> ahoy
L237[10:25:29] <Guest24043> I've a couple
of questions concerning the instalation of mods for KSP on
linux.
L238[10:26:23] <Guest24043> Do I have only
to extract the downloaded files into the steam/ksp folder or is an
addationaly edtiting of files after this required?
L239[10:29:08] <sandbox> just extract as
far as I know
L240[10:30:56] <Guest24043> Nice, thank
you. And what about the systemrequirements?
L243[10:38:40] <Guest24043> I meant for
RO/RSS
L244[10:38:51] <Flub2> I flew my heli a
bit
L245[10:39:00] <Flub2> was fine but I
noticed the tail rotor was kinda lose
L246[10:39:01] <APlayer> You might want to
check the channel #RO for RO/RSS installs
L247[10:39:10] <APlayer> It's rather
difficult
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L249[10:40:20] <Guest24043> Thank you
:)
L250[10:40:31] <Guest24043> Have a nice
day!
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L254[10:44:36] <Althego> imperial droid in
the airport?
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L258[10:58:21] <sandbox> this isn't the
luggage you're looking for
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L260[10:59:22] <Arcan> *sandbox
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L263[11:09:18] <Black_Eagle> uhh is there
a complete list of the parts included in making history?
L265[11:11:22] <Black_Eagle> thanks
L266[11:11:35] <Black_Eagle> wait
uhh
L267[11:11:38] <Black_Eagle> no thanks
:D
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L269[11:12:07] <Black_Eagle> what is this
picture
L270[11:12:32] <Arcan> it's a picture of
europe and parts of africa and asia
L271[11:13:42] <Althego> something is not
right with it
L272[11:13:51] <Althego> oh i see
L273[11:14:04] <Arcan> a weirdly distorted
one
L274[11:14:10] <Althego> some parts were
exchanged between south and north
L275[11:17:26] <ve2dmn> ok, I have a weird
idea: Is it possible for a planet to have an atmosphere, but in
pockets? like, having habitats in deep craters, but the rest is too
high for air density?
L276[11:18:45] <ve2dmn> Context: I am
doing cleaning and I found my old Tabletop Space-RPG things, with
weird planets we made-up
L277[11:19:10] <Black_Eagle> the mountain
ranges would probably have to be huge which in turn implies a low
gravity object, which in turn doesn't hold gases all that
well
L278[11:19:25] <ve2dmn> I was young and an
idiot then. I'm not young anymore
L279[11:19:42] <Black_Eagle> if you're
okay with non-air atmospheres that mostly consist of super heavy
gasses then maybe, why not?
L280[11:20:27] <Arcan> there's that one
kopernicus planet where the atmosphere is only thick enough to fly
in the canyons]
L281[11:20:37] <Arcan> it still *has* an
atmosphere over the whole of it though
L282[11:20:45] <ve2dmn> And with lack of
any sort of atmosphere, water would probably evaporate really
fast
L283[11:21:20] <Flub2> I think the moon
has some residual atmosphere in deep craters
L284[11:21:25] <Flub2> like a few
molecules
L285[11:21:40] <ve2dmn> Flub2: it has an
exopshere
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L287[11:38:55] <bees> ve2dmn: yes
L288[11:39:19] <bees> ve2dmn: but unlikely
to form naturally, imho
L289[11:40:46] <bees> ve2dmn: very cold
helium/hydrogen atmosphere on a light iiregular body at far reaches
of a solar system would qualify, i think
L290[11:41:10] <bees> but most gas at
those orbits should be in gas giants
L291[11:41:57] <bees> or maybe on the
other side, very heavy gases and not so far away
L292[11:42:05] <bees> idk what would be
more probable
L293[11:42:38] <ve2dmn> We were young and
making up backstories for our characters...
L294[11:44:20] <ve2dmn> He designed a high
gravity (aka, between 1 and 2 G) porous planet where most of the
air was 'below ground' in very large craters
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L296[11:46:06] <ve2dmn> Not sure it was
physicaly possible. I imagine that it would probably not
L297[11:48:40] <Althego> i could imagine a
planet with deep canyons where there is atmosphere at the bottom,
but not outside of the canyons
L298[11:48:54] <Althego> or some locally
generated volcanic or evaporating atmosphere
L299[11:48:55] <bees> Mars pressure varies
40 times from least to max
L300[11:49:14] <Althego> despite that it
has atmosphere around the whole planet
L301[11:49:15] <bees> so you have this as
a bottom point
L302[11:49:29] <bees> you surely can have
more
L303[12:04:58] <APlayer> I can imagine
there is a geologically created rift of a few kilometers depth on a
planet which is (1) warm enough and (2) pressurized enough to
harbor life. Outside of that, the atmosphere would be too thin to
support advanced lifeforms.
L304[12:06:02] <APlayer> However, two
problems: The rift would likely not last long enough for complex
life to form. And the life would probably evolve and spread out of
this rift, being able to survive in low pressures or even in
vacuum.
L305[12:13:09] <Althego> supposedly some
earth lichen can survive on mars (at least with similar pressure
and atmosphere composition on earth)
L306[12:21:54] <Gasher> well just nake up
an equilibrium equation for gas in given gravity :)
L307[12:21:59] <Gasher> * make
L308[12:27:54] <tawny> you can just say
the whole thing had an atmosphere but it was only breathable in the
craters, I guess
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L323[13:19:25] <jgkamat> 2 europes mod
:D
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L325[13:23:47] <APlayer> Italy and
Scandinavia seem to be flipped. Also, colour adjusted to keep the
climated zones intact.
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L338[13:57:01] <Flub2> are you trying to
clone the ks2000?
L339[13:59:05] <Draconiator> No. original
design. but I DID use wings another way
L340[14:01:42] <Draconiator> yeesh they're
gonna run out of fuel before they hit anything :/
L341[14:01:57] <Flub2> yeah your planes
are kinda small
L342[14:02:02] <Flub2> mine are big
L343[14:02:57] <Draconiator> Took a while
lol
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L345[14:06:12] <Flub2> we should have a
design challenge
L346[14:06:17] <Draconiator> Yeah.
L347[14:06:30] <Flub2> make a plane that
meets stuffl
L348[14:06:43] <Draconiator> hmmm this is
interesting, they ran out of fuel but they're still fighting on the
way down
L349[14:06:44] <Flub2> like range, cruise
speed, payload, maneuverability
L350[14:07:17] <Flub2> and with like only
one engine or stuff like that
L351[14:07:38] <APlayer> I'd rather set
practical contraints
L352[14:07:43] <APlayer>
constraints*
L353[14:07:58] <APlayer> I.e. part count,
mass, cost
L354[14:08:10] <Flub2> yeah that could
work too
L355[14:08:29] <APlayer> Speaking of
engines
L356[14:08:39] <Draconiator> Yeah. longest
range with just one Juno engine, stuff like that
L357[14:08:45] <APlayer> I *think* I fixed
the motor, @Flub2
L358[14:08:53] <Flub2> nice
L359[14:08:56] <Flub2> what was it?
L360[14:09:27] <APlayer> I re-soldered it
to the ESC. Can't say if the contact was broken because I just
ripped it off when opening the hot glue
L361[14:09:36] <APlayer> But I am not sure
what's going on now
L362[14:09:43] <Flub2> might have
been
L363[14:09:57] <Flub2> I was thinking it
could be friction on the shaft too
L364[14:10:12] <APlayer> Because the
motors have about equal thrust now, but the total thrust is much,
much less than it was yesterday
L365[14:10:56] <Flub2> uh
L366[14:10:59] <APlayer> I am using a
different scale to measure it today, but it's like a 1.5x
difference, and the weight of the parts seems to be the same as on
the scale from yesterday
L367[14:11:16] <Flub2> can your battery
supply enough power for all the motors
L368[14:11:32] <Flub2> Draconiator we
should do that challenge later
L369[14:11:32] <APlayer> It's a 20C 1000
mAh battery
L370[14:11:41] <Flub2> be we need to set
the rules now
L371[14:12:01] <APlayer> And the motors
draw a few A each, according to spec, but collectively no more than
14400 mA
L372[14:12:01] <Flub2> how much are your
motors supposed to pull?
L373[14:12:26] <APlayer> Plus a few
negligible milliamps for the electronics
L374[14:12:42] <Flub2> what happens if you
run a motor alone?
L375[14:12:57] <APlayer> 1.25x factor, as
far as I can tell
L376[14:13:03] <Draconiator> Yeah.
hmmm.....
L377[14:13:13] <Flub2> maybe too much
resistance somewhere
L378[14:13:20] <Flub2> how did you wire
the main power leads?
L379[14:13:53] <APlayer> Soldered them to
cables to extend them, and soldered that to a PCB piece with gold
plated contacts
L380[14:14:22] <APlayer> Gold plated
contact pins, that is. For the battery plug.
L381[14:14:33] <Flub2> do you have
pictures?
L382[14:14:40] <Flub2> and did you measure
the resistance of that
L383[14:14:49] <APlayer> Will have some in
a few minutes. :D
L384[14:14:50] <Flub2> shouldn't be a
problem but you never know
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L387[14:18:30] <APlayer> It's a bit messy
and the image is potato, but I think you get the setup
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L389[14:19:57] <APlayer> But the point is,
it was fine yesterday, aside from one "faulty"
motor
L390[14:21:28] <APlayer> The only thing
that I indeed changed, that I am aware of, is the scale setup. But
I checked individual parts' weight and it seems to be the same as
on the other scale, so this should not be the issue
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L393[14:22:32] <APlayer> This scale does
not lose linearity when tared with a large mass on it, either
L394[14:24:33] <Flub2> uh looks like your
power board could have thicker conductors
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L398[14:26:15] <APlayer> In fact,
individually measured at 50% power, motors 2, 3 and 4 had a thrust
57 to 59 grams, motor 1 had 45 grams yesterday. Today, after the
"fix", motor 1 is at 37 grams, motors 2, 3 and 4 are at
42 to 45 grams.
L399[14:26:45] <APlayer> I call this a fix
because there is no discrepancy between the motors anymore.
L400[14:26:55] <Flub2> uh yeah that's
weird
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L402[14:29:18] <APlayer> Did not think
about the conductors on the power board.
L403[14:29:37] <Flub2> k so we should
decide about the rules of our first design challenge
L404[14:30:14] <APlayer> I did run the
thing at 100 % power for 10 seconds today, and the solder didn't
melt, so I guess it's fine :P
L405[14:30:25] <Flub2> might limit the
amps you can get
L406[14:30:40] <APlayer> No idea about the
actual current it has drawn, indeed.
L408[14:30:48] <Althego> hehe
L409[14:31:17] <Althego> you could use 2
parts less
L410[14:31:21] <Althego> maybe 4
L411[14:31:40] <Althego> 1 intake, and the
conical thing is not needed
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L413[14:32:10] <Flub2> k so who wants to
give us constrains for round one of our challenge
L414[14:32:53] <APlayer> Flub2:
Supersonic, 5 tons of cargo, 1 h of flight time excluding takeoff
and landing
L415[14:33:10] <APlayer> Cruise
supersonic, that is
L416[14:33:15] <Flub2> I have a plane that
can already do that but ok
L417[14:33:22] <Flub2> any othe
rlimitations?
L418[14:33:41] <APlayer> 100 funds per ton
of cargo
L419[14:33:59] <Flub2> uh
L420[14:34:09] <Althego> the fuel would
cost more :9
L421[14:34:14] <Flub2> yeah
L422[14:34:17] <APlayer> I only consider
the fuel
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L424[14:34:39] <APlayer> And any expended
parts, which I don't think are needed
L425[14:35:12] <Flub2> two partially full
medium ore tank weight 4.9t so is that enough?
L426[14:35:25] <Althego> in around 1 hour
you can fly around kerbin :)
L427[14:35:48] <KrazyKrl> -1 for
pun.
L428[14:35:50] <Flub2> yeah most of my
planes can do that in 40 minutes
L429[14:36:13] <APlayer> 1 h = 3600 s *
330 m/s = 1 188 000 m
L430[14:36:29] <KrazyKrl> well, MY planes
have 75 minutes in every hour.
L431[14:36:54] <Althego> pun is in your
mind
L433[14:37:03] <Flub2> uh is there a way
to disable snapping in the ore tanks load
L434[14:37:13] <APlayer> AFAIK, no
L435[14:37:24] <Flub2> otherwise I will
just go with 5.2 tons
L436[14:37:41] <APlayer> 5200 is not
forbidden. :P
L437[14:37:47] <APlayer> You may use
smaller tanks, though
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L439[14:37:59] <APlayer> Often, this
allows you to get extremely close
L440[14:38:00] <Flub2> im using the mk1
ones
L441[14:38:05] <Althego> wait a sec, we
now have these spherical tanks
L442[14:38:09] <Althego> do they
roll?
L443[14:38:11] <Flub2> can either get 4.9
or 5.2
L444[14:38:16] <Flub2> could try witht he
radial ones
L445[14:38:31] <APlayer> Flub: Use
Monoprop tanks. Or Oscar ones.
L446[14:38:34] <Althego> can i go around
in a plane, and open cargo bay doors and let a hundred golden balls
roll down a hill?
L447[14:38:50] <APlayer> Or split the long
tank in two smaller ones
L448[14:38:57] <APlayer> And see what
combinations that makes
L449[14:39:07] <APlayer> Plenty of
possibilities
L450[14:39:38] <Flub2> 5.002 with some
stuff
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L455[14:41:18] <Althego> set packetization
to higher
L456[14:41:19] *
Draconiator restarts the game because his WASD camera mod got
disabled
L457[14:42:27] <Flub2> 1h of flight time
will require a lot of fuel
L458[14:42:49] <APlayer> Flub2: Are there
any resistances that make sense to measure in the whole setup to
figure out what's screwed up?
L459[14:43:06] <Althego> resistance is
futile
L460[14:43:11] <Flub2> I guess between the
battery plug and motors
L461[14:43:18] <Flub2> try to measure amps
at full power if you can
L462[14:43:29] <APlayer> Was about to ask
that.
L463[14:44:01] <APlayer> Should I do it
with props on it, or does it not really matter?
L464[14:44:24] <Flub2> yeah with props
on
L465[14:44:31] <Flub2> should the payload
be dropped?
L466[14:45:12] <APlayer> Because it's much
easier to do without props. I'll need to tie it down again in a
rather complicated setup to measure the amperage. But let me
try.
L467[14:45:38] <Flub2> motors don't pull
much withut props
L468[14:45:40] <APlayer> The payload
should be drop-able
L469[14:45:57] <Flub2> you want to see if
there is a bottleneck and if it pulls less current than it
should
L470[14:46:21] <APlayer> If it doesn't,
it's probably friction
L471[14:46:32] <APlayer> If it does, at
least I rule that out
L472[14:46:40] <Althego> freaking
friction
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L478[14:57:05] <Flub2> my plane is using
so much fuel
L479[14:58:14] <APlayer> Flub2: Another
thing I noticed, but this might be my scale, is that my thrust
peaks by a few dozens of grams when the motors just start. Is that
an issue?
L480[14:58:40] <Flub2> idk
L481[14:58:44] <Flub2> probably not
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L486[15:04:07] <Draconiator> An hour IS a
lot of fuel. Mechjeb says I only have 33 minutes worth
L487[15:04:33] <Flub2> yeah but you use
less when goign fast at high altitude
L488[15:04:45] <Flub2> or rather you go
longer for the same amount
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L491[15:13:18] <Draconiator> Yeah my plane
is gaining altitude now, will post a picture of it along with the
Mechjeb report.
L492[15:15:10] <Flub2> 10 minutes into the
flight of mine
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L494[15:16:00] <Flub2> it doesn't want to
go above 19km
L495[15:19:20] <Flub2> probably deosn't
need to fly at 1km/s
L496[15:19:37] <Flub2> but I will need to
fly lower if I fly slower and it might use more fuel then
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L498[15:20:58] <Draconiator> Taking a
break for a bit, will retool later
L499[15:22:19] <Flub2> 16 minutes of
flight, used almost half of my fuel
L500[15:24:05] <Black_Eagle> this... is
bizarre. looks like fairings add drags together to their parent
parts
L501[15:27:27] <Black_Eagle>
aaahahahahahaha and removing all parent parts just removes the
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L503[15:27:38] <Black_Eagle> what is this
wizardry
L504[15:28:04] <Flub2> mmhhh
L505[15:28:17] <Flub2> I always optimize
my planes for range and not flight time
L506[15:28:28] <Flub2> they are super fast
so they can get anywehre before they run out of fuel
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L513[15:36:11] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
L515[15:39:42] <Flub2> uh my plane is
getting unstable
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L519[15:41:43] <APlayer> zilti: Normal,
yes. Fix by steering, no
L520[15:41:52] <APlayer> It's a design
flaw. Also, disable SAS.
L521[15:42:13] <APlayer> If it can't take
off without SAS, it can't take off with it either.
L522[15:42:19] <zilti> How is it in any
way normal that the plane starts jumping around
L523[15:42:42] <APlayer> It happens often
when building planes. It's something about your landing gear
placement
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L525[15:43:24] <APlayer> Anyway, I need to
go now. See you!
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L528[15:59:51] <Flub2> my plane can only
fly a mere 48 minutes
L529[15:59:58] <Flub2> I could extend that
with drop tanks
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L531[16:08:27] <Flub2> apparently the new
season of the expanse is out
L533[16:10:31] <kmath> YouTube - The
Coolest Telescope On Hawai'i (0.015 Kelvin!!!!)
L534[16:23:03] <Mat2ch> Another
video!
L535[16:23:14] <Mat2ch> Also the video
before I wanted to scream at the monitor.
L536[16:23:29] <Mat2ch> Because they use
only ten datapoints to say that this galaxies has no Dark matter in
it
L537[16:24:11] <Mat2ch> also that this
proofs that there has to be dark matter is pretty weak
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L542[17:14:13] <Draconiator> This is a
pretty challengine challenge, Player. I only got mine up to 51
minutes according to Mechjeb, may have to redesign.
L543[17:16:15] <Draconiator> I think I
have it.
L544[17:18:06] <Flub2> I think we are
fairly close then
L545[17:18:21] <Flub2> my plane has enough
cargo bay volume to fit a drop tank inside
L546[17:22:48] <Draconiator> these
Whiplash engines seem to lose thrust a bit as you gain altitude but
then they pick up again.
L547[17:23:42] <ve2dmn> I'm currently
running Tourist mission to get early $ and tiny amount of
science
L548[17:24:59] <ve2dmn> and since they are
all suborbital, I don't even need kOS. Just a Booster, 2
parachutes, a staypunik and a heat shield
L549[17:26:18] <Draconiator> AAAAAAAND I
forgot some oxidizer in the tail, oops, throwing my measurement off
lol
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L552[17:31:16] <Draconiator> Mechjeb says
I'm 1 hour 16 minutes currently.
L553[17:34:33] <Flub2> the whiplash is
good at high speed and altitude
L554[17:34:40] <Flub2> maybe the rapier
would be better then actually
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L562[17:43:12] <Flub2> nice
L564[17:44:06] <Flub2> was thinking maybe
putting the engines on the back to save on drag
L565[17:45:33] <Flub2> im pretty sure my
standard k919 can do the challenge
L566[17:45:40] <Flub2> 5t of payload isnt
much for it
L568[17:47:25] <Flub2> I do have the KC20
but this thing can carry like 50 tons around kerbin
L570[17:48:24] <Flub2> both of those are
absolute workhorses
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L572[18:01:17] <Draconiator> Okay I
LOOOOOVE what I came up with but for the challenge I'm gonna have
to start over.
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L576[18:07:28] <Flub2> one hour was a bit
ambitious
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L579[18:14:41] <Arcan> is there a launch
today
L580[18:14:47] <Arcan> from cape
canaveral
L581[18:14:58] <Flub2> there was supposed
to be an electron soon
L582[18:15:02] <Flub2> idk about anything
else
L583[18:15:09] <Flub2> check the
nextlaucnh website
L584[18:15:10] <Arcan> there's a falcon 9
going up on the 16th
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L587[18:16:34] <Arcan> apparently there
was a launch
L588[18:16:36] <Arcan> atlas V
L591[18:18:29] <kmath> YouTube - Atlas V
AFSPC-11 Live Launch Broadcast (April 14)
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L593[18:19:15] <Flub2> why isn't there a
bot sending the launches
L594[18:19:25] <Flub2> or at least
althergo
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L609[19:19:49] <kmath> Flub2: I'll let
Althego know when I see them
L612[19:23:50] <oren> not sure what chance
I have of anythin g surviving.
L613[19:24:09] <Flub2> can that even
fly?
L614[19:24:18] <oren> I am hoping that
body lift is a thing in FAR
L615[19:24:23] <Flub2> should be
L616[19:24:37] <Flub2> but even the it
looks like control will be weird
L617[19:27:01] <oren> I should have
written down what the ideal angle of attack exactly was.
L618[19:27:26] <oren> something around 10
degrees I think
L619[19:29:38] <oren> ok I've drawn level
at 40 km altitude and 2200 m/s
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L623[19:31:59] <oren> this is gonna take a
while
L624[19:32:28] <oren> trying not gain
altitude
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L627[19:34:42] <oren> ok, trying to
descend to 35000 m and then hold level
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L629[19:41:08] <oren> ok sturns out that
this thing is completely unstable in yaw
L630[19:44:42] <oren> but it still got to
the ground entirely intact!
L631[19:51:17] <Eddi|zuHause> i can never
hit the runway when trying to land a plane
L632[19:51:48] <Eddi|zuHause> landing on
the field is fine
L633[19:51:52] <Eddi|zuHause>
usually
L634[19:52:11] <Eddi|zuHause> after the
5th attempt :p
L635[19:52:38] <oren> Eddi|zuHause: I
consider it a good landing if it it gets anwhere on the green
L636[19:53:01] <oren> an ok landing if
it's not the right continent
L637[19:54:15] <Eddi|zuHause> so people
fly back to KSC when they do missions of "take measurements at
<halfway around the planet>"?
L638[19:54:59] <oren> Eddi|zuHause: I
often jsut leave the plane landed there for a while, in case I can
get another mission nearby
L639[19:55:04] <Eddi|zuHause>
s/so/do/
L640[19:57:55] <Eddi|zuHause> i once tried
to go to a place with a car, but then it turned out the location
was behind a mountain range
L641[19:58:15] <Eddi|zuHause> there are a
distinct lack of roads on kerbin :p
L642[19:58:22] <oren> I should put a kOS
module on this and figure out an efficient automatic launch
script
L643[19:59:30] <Eddi|zuHause> i heard much
of kOS lately, but somehow i don't fancy trying to incorporate it
into my game
L644[20:02:08] <oren> Eddi|zuHause: it;s
the only way to operate things like landers and rovers when you
have remotetech light speed delay on
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L646[20:30:13] <ve2dmn> Eddi|zuHause: it's
my source of revenu in the early game: Automated tourism
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