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L1[00:03:54] <Althego> it nevr gets dark,
and you realize it from the solar panels
L2[00:04:00] <Althego> really annoying
L3[00:10:41] <taniwha> haha, I just broke
the stock KSC markers
L4[00:10:55] <Althego> you tried to use them
for your launchpads
L6[00:11:39] <taniwha> ship is spinning at
an extreme rate
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L9[00:15:15] <Althego> automatic ship
spinning
L10[00:15:35] <taniwha> I spun it up
deliberately
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L12[00:16:29] <taniwha> even gentle spin
breaks the markers
L13[00:16:42] <Althego> lol
L14[00:16:48] <taniwha> I'd better test
this in a pristine install
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L21[00:54:08] <cringe> ISS Urine Tank
Level: 43%
L22[00:57:39] <UmbralRaptop> seems a lot
higher than last time.
L23[00:58:06] <cringe> well, it is saturday
night
L24[00:59:09] <UmbralRaptop> Party in the
cupola!
L25[00:59:17] <cringe> waste water tank
over 66%, so they've been at it for a while
L26[01:07:27] <Supercheese> Have a cuppa in
the cupola
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L42[02:30:53] <kubi> morning
L43[02:31:20] <Althego> star
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L45[02:48:32] <Supernovy> as in Venus, or
the weapon?
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L47[03:15:06] <Althego> or spaceship.
doesnt matter
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L57[04:23:35] <kmath> YouTube - Chinese
Invisibility Cloak Hoax DESTROYED!!!
L58[04:23:44] <Althego> as he imitates some
science youtubers
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L62[04:40:40] <Epi> captain D so good
L63[04:41:14] <Althego> yes but i havent
expected this
L64[04:41:47] <Althego> when he appeared as
martin poliakoff that was so funny. and then came the others
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L74[06:14:34] <Althego> more than 11 months
without backup, it is time to do it
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L76[06:17:33] <APlayer> No, you shouldn't.
You already saved yourself disk space worth 11 months of backups,
you can do better!
L77[06:18:02] <Mat2ch> Althego is living
the life. :D
L78[06:34:02] <Kreuzung> instead of making
backups, I just remember the techniques involved in the creation of
all these files
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L84[06:49:56] <Mat2ch> GlassYuri: Even when
and where you took pictures?
L85[06:50:00] <Mat2ch> Do you know time
travel? :P
L87[06:52:25] <Mat2ch> Hello
Fluburtur
L88[06:52:25] <GlassYuri> Mat2ch, no, I
back those up, as in, I save the only copy on the backup
drive
L89[06:52:33] <Mat2ch> :D
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L93[07:00:50] <Althego> lol
L95[07:03:27] <Althego> ndg was saying half
jokingly, the fastest way to mars is to convince politicians china
wants to build a base there
L96[07:03:57] <Fluburtur> what a sad
world
L97[07:04:07] <Fluburtur> not driven by
science but money and concurence
L98[07:04:36] <Althego> that got people to
the moon
L99[07:04:45] <Fluburtur> time to take over
the entire world and as the master of the world declare that the
entire solar system needs to be colonized in a decade
L100[07:04:46] <Althego> (and they checked
that off and never went back)
L101[07:05:07] <Althego> decade lol, maybe
100 years
L102[07:05:46] <Fluburtur> no
L103[07:05:50] <Fluburtur> one
decade
L104[07:07:01] <Fluburtur> also I will ban
money because who needs that
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L106[07:47:16] <Mat2ch> it's funny how the
oil joke is not funny anymore thanks to Tesla
L107[07:47:29] <Fluburtur> it will be
lithium jokes next
L108[07:49:14] <Althego> we are far from
that
L109[07:49:35] <Mat2ch> if Lithium gets to
expensive you just filter it out of the ocean
L110[07:49:40] <Mat2ch> *too
L111[07:49:58] <Althego> but there may be
issues with rare earth metals
L112[07:52:14] <Mat2ch> It's entirely
possible to build electric motors without rare earth metals
L113[07:52:25] <Fluburtur> also a friend
started making me a website to sell stuff hopefully
L114[07:52:45] <Fluburtur> not like I've
been asking my cousin to do that for like 4 months and my friend
decided to do that just yesterday
L115[07:53:41] <Mat2ch> there's a problem
with motivation. Being able to do something and wanting to do it
are different things.
L116[07:54:15] <APlayer> Ultra pure
silicon is getting scarce, though
L117[07:54:28] <Fluburtur> my cousin can
do it he is just lazy
L118[07:54:39] <Althego> silicon? one of
the most common material
L119[07:54:42] <APlayer> Production
capacities can't keep up with demand for solar panels and
stuff
L120[07:54:57] <APlayer> Althego: Sand,
not silicon
L121[07:55:13] <APlayer> If you get me
99.99% silicon out of sand easily, I give you a cookie
L122[07:55:33] <Althego> hehe
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L124[07:55:55] <Althego> as usual that is
hard. like with aluminium and titanium, both common, just in
oxidized state
L125[07:56:38] <APlayer> So you expend
energy (and thus, indirectly, oil and coal) to produce silicon
wafers for solar panels
L126[07:56:49] <APlayer> And it kind of
defeats the point
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L128[07:57:11] <Althego> yes, the problem
with renewable energy that it costs a lot of non renewable
energy
L129[07:57:17] <Althego> it has to make up
for it during its life
L130[07:57:24] <Althego> this is why
hybrid cars are silly
L131[07:57:42] <APlayer> Hybrid cars are a
joke anyway
L132[07:58:04] <APlayer> You drive on gas
and the electric motor is switched on during braking or
something
L133[07:58:08] <Fluburtur> my dad has
one
L134[07:58:26] <Fluburtur> it has fairly
good acceleration at low speed with the electric motor
L135[07:58:50] <APlayer> I say whatever
your dad has, the acceleration of that is not good
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L137[07:58:59] <APlayer> The acceleration
of a Tesla is :P
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L139[07:59:07] <Althego> a parallel hybrid
would use the internal combustion engine for high sustained
speeds
L140[07:59:21] <Fluburtur> well I never
got to try a tesla
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L142[07:59:37] <APlayer> Teslas are the
new hype around here
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L144[07:59:45] <Althego> a series hybrid
seems to be better. an optimized small engine running on constant
speed to chargethe batery
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L146[07:59:54] <Althego> lot simpler and
efficient
L147[07:59:54] <APlayer> When you see a
Tesla on the road, everyone is shouting "Look! Tesla!
Tesla!"
L148[07:59:59] <Althego> hehe
L149[08:00:32] <Fluburtur> I don't think
teslzs are that popular here yet
L150[08:01:01] <Althego> they are
expensive even for western europe
L151[08:01:12] <Althego> i doubt there is
more than a dozen here
L152[08:01:23] <APlayer> My dad didn't
know what Teslas were a while ago. He saw a car and was dazzled
because it had no exhaust pipe
L153[08:01:37] <Althego> lol
L154[08:02:14] <Fluburtur> one reason I
don't like elextric cars too much is they they don't make enough
noise
L155[08:02:19] <Fluburtur> can't hear them
coming
L156[08:02:26] <APlayer> There are not
many on the street here, but you do see them occasionally
L157[08:02:27] <Althego> yes that is a
huge issue actually
L158[08:02:30] <Althego> for safety
L159[08:02:33] <APlayer> streets*
L160[08:02:41] <Althego> because we are
accustomed to the noise
L161[08:02:49] <APlayer> Put an ambulance
siren on them
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L163[08:02:58] <taniwha> we'll get used to
them
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L166[08:03:13] <Fluburtur> and I always
listen to music when im ourside
L167[08:03:16] <APlayer> But seriously,
/adding/ sound should not be the problem
L168[08:03:32] <Althego> i think they are
already doing that
L169[08:03:41] <APlayer>
"Beeeeeeeep"
L170[08:04:31] <APlayer> Or everyone just
downloads an app which alerts them if a car is nearing the place
where they intend to cross the street
L171[08:04:56] <Fluburtur> won't work for
me
L173[08:05:10] <Fluburtur> I have a super
cheap phone thing that doesn't do internet or crap like that
L174[08:05:15] <APlayer> Will probably
work better than things work now, because people look into their
mobiles rather than left and right anyway
L175[08:05:23] <Fluburtur> but they cars
have gps so they can go beeep when they near a crossing
L176[08:05:53] <APlayer> Althego: Is that
Germany?
L177[08:06:10] <Althego> supposedly
marathon in berlin
L178[08:06:17] <APlayer> Fluburtur: They
can also go boom when near a crossing. :P
L179[08:06:31] <Fluburtur> heh
L180[08:06:40] <APlayer> Althego: Just in
case, this is not a nominal situation
L181[08:06:40] <Althego> ok, half
marathon
L182[08:06:43] <Fluburtur> there was a
marathon in paris too
L183[08:07:17] <APlayer> But it's a good
way to control your speed
L184[08:07:30] <APlayer> If you start
slowing down, the pineapple starts falling forward
L185[08:07:39] <APlayer> And you keep
running
L186[08:07:56] <Althego> havent thought of
that
L187[08:09:11] <Althego> heh i made the
backup image with old nvidia driver
L188[08:09:14] <Althego> doesnt
matter
L189[08:10:31] <APlayer> Note to self:
Don't integrate an accelerator output without subtracting
gravity
L190[08:10:37] <Althego> hehehehe
L191[08:11:21] <APlayer> Accelerometer,
even
L192[08:12:50] <Althego> dont forget to
correct for earth curvature in long distances :)
L193[08:13:31] <Althego> (schuler
tuning)
L194[08:13:32] <APlayer> That's
flattering, but I am pretty sure this drone won't have enough range
for this effect to become significant
L195[08:14:30] <Althego> drone?
L196[08:14:46] <Althego> we are the
borg
L197[08:16:27] <APlayer> The borg?
L198[08:18:26] <Althego> the only humanoid
species i know of t hat has drones (and could use the
pineapple)
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L200[08:27:44] <Rokker> APlayer:
resistance is futile
L201[08:27:59] <APlayer> Is it?
L202[08:28:07] <Rokker> we are the
borg
L204[08:34:14] <kmath> YouTube - Wir sind
die Borg!
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L206[08:34:20] <Althego> this is the best
in german
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L227[10:08:37] <Fluburtur> I might try
changing the engines on my koyuz T
L228[10:08:46] <Fluburtur> since all the
first stage engines are vectors
L229[10:11:09] <APlayer> Is it
reusable?
L230[10:11:20] <Althego> a soyuz? why
would it be
L231[10:11:25] <Fluburtur> not the
boosters but everythinh else can be landed
L232[10:11:34] <APlayer> It's a Koyuz,
though
L233[10:11:51] <Althego> yes because in
ksp every rename must include a k
L234[10:11:55] <APlayer> So, if the first
stage is reusable, nevermind the vectors, they are perfect
L235[10:12:11] <APlayer> If it is not,
they get way too expensive
L236[10:12:28] <Fluburtur> well im playing
sandbox
L237[10:12:45] <Fluburtur> I want to see
if it can fly with weaker engines
L238[10:12:49] <APlayer> That does not
allow you to throw out federal budget money
L239[10:13:09] <Althego> i thought kerbals
are in an empire
L240[10:13:15] <Althego> or
dictatorship
L241[10:14:05] <APlayer> They are a
perfect, self-governing society that needs no politics
L242[10:14:23] <Fluburtur> motivated by
science and explosions
L243[10:14:48] <cringe> lots of
explosions
L244[10:15:16] <APlayer> They are so fond
of that, that their only interstellar communication channel, the
#KSPOfficial, prohibits the discussion of politics
L245[10:16:29] <Althego> we are an
anarcho-syndicalist commune :)
L246[10:16:46] <APlayer> No, we are a
dictatorship
L247[10:16:50] *
APlayer wields his banhammer
L248[10:17:30] <Althego> this was a quote
from monthy python...
L249[10:18:39] <Althego> now we see the
violence inherent in the szstem
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L251[10:19:50] <Helpmeland101> Hi
guys!
L252[10:19:54] <Helpmeland101> can u help
me?
L253[10:20:00] <Althego> add more boosters
:)
L254[10:20:11] <Azander> more
struts!
L255[10:20:18] <Althego> if the first idea
fails
L256[10:20:25] <Helpmeland101> I
tried
L257[10:20:28] <APlayer> Helpmeland101:
You should use parachutes, judging by your nick
L258[10:20:37] <Helpmeland101> not land on
kerbin
L259[10:20:39] <Helpmeland101> on
mun
L260[10:20:43] <APlayer> Oh, heh
L261[10:20:49] <Helpmeland101> when I fly
there I cant land this garbage
L263[10:20:55] <Helpmeland101> there is
the save
L264[10:20:59] <Fluburtur> more crush
zone
L265[10:21:06] <Helpmeland101> basically
I'm on the orbit
L266[10:21:15] <Helpmeland101> and I fly
to mun succesefully
L267[10:21:27] <Helpmeland101> but when I
land number 1 I have no fuel
L268[10:21:37] <Helpmeland101> number 2 it
fucking crashes
L269[10:21:39] <APlayer> Helpmeland101: If
you could send us an image of your craft as it is in orbit, that
would be helpful
L270[10:21:47] <Helpmeland101> 1
second
L271[10:21:49] <APlayer> And please don't
use bad language
L272[10:21:54] <Helpmeland101> NP
man
L273[10:21:57] <Helpmeland101> sorry
L274[10:22:03] <Helpmeland101> 1
second
L275[10:22:08] <Helpmeland101> I will get
a screen shot
L276[10:22:36] <APlayer> F1 saves a
screenshot into the according folder in your install. :-)
L277[10:22:38] <Althego> make the orbit
almost touch the surface around the point you want to land. when
getting close cancel all horizontal velocity (use surface mode on
the navball). then land absolutely verically keeping the velocity
vertical and slowing down under 7 m/s before landing
L278[10:22:43] <Helpmeland101> the problem
is
L279[10:22:52] <Helpmeland101> that I'm
doing a saving mission
L280[10:22:55] <Helpmeland101> to the
mun
L281[10:22:59] <Helpmeland101> to save my
kerbal
L282[10:23:04] <Helpmeland101> who's stuck
there
L283[10:23:06] <APlayer> Ah, it's a
pinpoint landing
L284[10:23:11] <Helpmeland101> yep
L285[10:23:14] <APlayer> What's your
orbit?
L286[10:23:22] <Helpmeland101> let me
screenshot
L287[10:23:26] <APlayer> Sure
L288[10:23:30] <Helpmeland101> I'm still
loading
L289[10:27:38] <Helpmeland101> is it ok if
its in different language
L290[10:27:38] <Helpmeland101> ?
L292[10:27:44] <Helpmeland101> there we
go
L293[10:27:51] <Helpmeland101> I've go a
shot of my ship
L294[10:27:57] <Helpmeland101> the crashed
one
L295[10:28:04] <Helpmeland101> and the
orbit I'm on
L296[10:28:14] <Helpmeland101> + view from
the mun
L297[10:28:29] <APlayer> You are in Kerbin
orbit?
L298[10:28:34] <Helpmeland101> yes
L299[10:28:43] <Helpmeland101> I have a
tank of fuel
L300[10:28:51] <APlayer> That's a bit too
little
L301[10:28:56] <Helpmeland101> when I try
flying to mun
L302[10:29:02] <APlayer> Are you familiar
with the concept of delta-v?
L303[10:29:07] <Helpmeland101> Yes
L304[10:29:17] <Helpmeland101> but I don't
know how to install mods
L305[10:29:27] <APlayer> Oh, we can guide
you through that
L306[10:29:39] <Helpmeland101> can u? that
would be great!
L307[10:29:57] <APlayer> I highly
recommend you install and set up Kerbal Engineer Redux, as this
provides useful readouts of all sorts
L308[10:30:03] <Helpmeland101> I wanted to
install just the main mods that would be needed.
L309[10:30:04] <Helpmeland101> ok
L310[10:30:13] <Helpmeland101> can u sent
me the link plz?
L311[10:31:07] <Helpmeland101> is that
it?
L313[10:32:05] <APlayer> Uh, I am not sure
if that works with KSP 1.4
L314[10:32:24] <Helpmeland101> should I
try find 1.3?
L315[10:32:33] <Helpmeland101>
download*
L317[10:33:18] <APlayer> Download the file
packaged as .zip
L318[10:33:24] <Helpmeland101> yep
L319[10:33:27] <Helpmeland101> ok I
did
L320[10:33:48] <APlayer> If you open it,
there should be a folder called Kerbal Engineer or so
L321[10:33:49] <Helpmeland101> i have some
files in it
L322[10:33:58] <Helpmeland101>
KerbalEngenier
L323[10:34:07] <Helpmeland101> is that
it?
L324[10:34:17] <APlayer> You only need
that folder, copy it and paste it in your KSP/GameData/
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L326[10:34:53] <APlayer> Then you only
need to relaunch KSP and the mod should be there. :-)
L327[10:35:35] <Helpmeland101> so what
should i do then?
L328[10:35:49] <APlayer> Is it in your
GameData folder now?
L329[10:35:49] <Helpmeland101> How do u
check is the mod there?
L330[10:35:53] <Helpmeland101> yes
L331[10:36:00] <APlayer> Launch KSP
again
L332[10:36:10] <Helpmeland101> ok
L333[10:36:37] <Helpmeland101> i did
L334[10:36:41] <APlayer> It is loaded when
you start your game, and you should see a new icon in your
toolbars
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L336[10:36:52] <Helpmeland101> let me
check
L337[10:37:23] <APlayer> In the VAB, it
should open a window which shows your vessel stats
L338[10:37:45] <APlayer> In flight, the UI
is a bit complicated to set up, but very customisable
L339[10:38:09] <Guest38949> My SENTINEL
Infrared Telescope is missing after installing extraplanetary base
building and applicable mods. can i get it back?
L340[10:38:50] <Helpmeland101> what is
VAB?
L341[10:38:50] <APlayer> Pretty sure
that's some incompatibility. Try removing the new mods and launch
KSP again
L342[10:38:51] <Mod9000> Helpmeland101,
VAB = Vertical Assembly Building. It's where you build
rockets.
L343[10:39:31] <Helpmeland101> Thax
L344[10:40:15] <Guest38949>
*Extraplanetary launch pads
L345[10:41:02] <Helpmeland101> so is 2,185
delta v enough?
L346[10:41:05] <APlayer> Guest38949: Is it
a vessel in flight, or a vessel saved in VAB?
L347[10:41:10] <Helpmeland101> to fly to
mun?
L348[10:41:34] <Helpmeland101> that's the
last s1
L349[10:41:38] <Helpmeland101>
stage*
L350[10:41:51] <APlayer> Helpmeland: You
need about 1000 m/s to go there (can be a bit less, but more than
900 m/s anyway), and 600 to land or take off to orbit
L351[10:42:00] <Guest38949> The IR scope
isn't even a build option
L352[10:42:02] <APlayer> Plus another 270
- 300 to go back to Kerbin
L353[10:42:12] <Helpmeland101> so is it
enough
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L355[10:42:18] <Helpmeland101> knowing I'm
on the orbit now?
L356[10:42:26] <APlayer> Guest38949:
Pretty sure you removed some mod, then
L357[10:43:01] <APlayer> Helpmeland: If
you are in Kerbin orbit and have 2185 delta v, this is very close.
You have no margin for error
L358[10:43:06] <Guest38949> bummer. K
thanks.
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L360[10:43:42] <Helpmeland101> why doesn't
KER work while I'm in the ship it self?
L361[10:44:00] <Helpmeland101> or do i
have to intall so tool?
L362[10:44:02] <APlayer> It is probably
set to Career mode
L363[10:44:07] <Helpmeland101> yes it
is
L364[10:44:21] <Helpmeland101> so it
wouldt work in the ship?
L365[10:44:28] <APlayer> Then it requires
an on-board engineer, tracking station level 3 or a part to enable
KER
L366[10:44:36] <Helpmeland101> ohh
L367[10:44:38] <APlayer> You likely have
neither, so set it to Partless mode
L368[10:44:45] <Helpmeland101> how?
L369[10:45:06] <Helpmeland101> i have TS
of level 2
L370[10:45:08] <APlayer> In the VABs KER
window, there is a settings menu
L371[10:45:13] <Helpmeland101> ohh
L372[10:45:49] <APlayer> Uh, wait
L373[10:45:53] <Helpmeland101> what?
L374[10:45:56] <APlayer> Of course you
don't have enough fuel
L375[10:46:05] <Althego> that is
visible
L376[10:46:11] <Althego> maybe enough for
a munar orbit
L377[10:46:39] <Helpmeland101> ohh
L378[10:46:44] <APlayer> You need about
980 m/s (absolute minimum) to go there, + 600 m/s to land (pinpoint
landing will probably require more) + 600 m/s to takeoff, + 270 m/s
to go back
L379[10:47:06] <Helpmeland101> so should
get the ship back from the orbit?
L380[10:47:09] <APlayer> + at least 50 m/s
for error margin, because nobody is perfect
L381[10:47:16] <Helpmeland101> and build
another one?
L382[10:47:23] <APlayer> I suggest that,
yes
L383[10:47:25] <Helpmeland101> ok
L384[10:47:37] <APlayer> Or add some
module on it, if you have docking ports
L385[10:48:25] <Helpmeland101> nope
L386[10:48:43] <Helpmeland101> can u help
me build the ship?
L387[10:48:46] <APlayer> I'm afraid the
only other option is to build a new one then
L388[10:49:01] <APlayer> Well, I can't
play for you :P
L389[10:49:07] <Helpmeland101> i
mean
L390[10:49:13] <Helpmeland101> just to
give me some map
L391[10:49:20] <APlayer> I suggest you add
a fuel tank on the existing ship and see if that helps
L392[10:49:24] <Helpmeland101> so i know
how much dv i need
L393[10:49:28] <APlayer> KER provides the
needed readouts
L394[10:49:33] <Helpmeland101> does
it?
L395[10:49:37] <Helpmeland101> where
in?
L397[10:50:22] <APlayer> And KER tells you
how much delta-v you have
L398[10:50:53] <Helpmeland101> thank
you
L399[10:50:59] <APlayer> But I suggest you
take my numbers
L400[10:51:02] <Helpmeland101> i very
appreciate your help!
L401[10:51:19] <APlayer> Because the
delta-v map has pilot margins, which you don't need with proper
planning
L402[10:51:44] <APlayer> Adding a spare
100 m/s is not a mistake, though. :-)
L403[10:52:27] <Helpmeland101> so
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L405[10:52:39] <JCB> I sort of wish D-V
maps also had figures for different heights as well
L406[10:52:41] <Helpmeland101> i have to
have at least 3000 dv?
L407[10:52:57] <APlayer> 3 km/s is
plenty
L408[10:53:34] <APlayer> 2.5 km/s is just
enough, and 2600 - 2700 would be fine with margins
L409[10:54:05] <Helpmeland101> ok
L410[10:54:05] <JCB> oh sorry.. just
catching up... hmm..
L411[10:54:12] <Helpmeland101> i will
build a rocket
L412[10:54:19] <Helpmeland101> and then
show it to u
L413[10:54:24] <APlayer> Sure!
L414[10:54:29] <Helpmeland101> so u can
tell me is it good enough
L415[10:54:34] <Helpmeland101> Thank
you!
L416[10:54:46] <APlayer> Highlight me when
you are done, so I'll know when to look. :-)
L417[10:55:00] <Helpmeland101> Do u have a
discord channel? so i could have any type of contact with u
L418[10:55:15] <APlayer> No, but I am
frequently online here, at this time of day
L419[10:55:28] <Helpmeland101> ok
L420[10:56:11] <Helpmeland101> Ok I'm off
to build a ship!
L421[10:56:19] <APlayer> Good luck!
:-)
L422[10:57:06] <JCB> Oohh.. the days
before ksp had tutorials in it...
L423[10:57:34] <JCB> Mind you.... game's
physics was also going through quite a few changes back then
too.
L424[10:57:50] <Fluburtur> I went to fly
my flying wing
L426[10:58:06] <Fluburtur> put a camera
looking at the wingtip and pulled some hard stuff to see if it was
flexing
L427[10:58:15] <Fluburtur> because the
spar goes like 1/4 of the wing
L428[10:58:24] <JCB> whats the wing
span?
L429[10:58:30] <Fluburtur> 1.2 meter
L430[10:58:49] <JCB> how you handling the
yaw with it?
L431[10:58:53] <Helpmeland101> This seems
better?
L434[10:58:57] <Fluburtur> no yaw
L435[10:59:01] <Fluburtur> only roll and
pitch
L436[10:59:12] <JCB> meant, surfaces.. or
is it 'tailless'?
L437[10:59:28] <Fluburtur> yeah it's a
flying wing
L438[10:59:36] <Fluburtur> it has wingtip
fins but they do nothing
L439[10:59:47] <JCB> to be expected
L440[11:00:02] <Helpmeland101> Guys, how
long do u play KSP for?
L441[11:00:07] <JCB> most wing tip fins
would do is help improve lift. Could see about one near center
line
L442[11:00:14] <Helpmeland101> And who do
you work in real life?
L443[11:00:24] <Fluburtur> they help with
tracking in some cases
L444[11:00:38] <JCB> Been KSP since 0.18,
but I go way further, back in the 80-90s with Spacesim
L445[11:00:43] <Fluburtur> some of my
wings can't fly without or else they "wiggle the
tail"
L446[11:01:04] <Fluburtur> this one can
actually fly without winglets
L447[11:01:18] <Fluburtur> but yeah it
does fly a bit sideways then
L448[11:01:39] <JCB> ya some designs
induce some drag when air comes in from the side, to help with
yaw.
L449[11:01:45] <Helpmeland101> what is
space sim?
L450[11:01:51] <Fluburtur> most flying
wings do that
L451[11:01:55] <Fluburtur> but it's not
always enough
L452[11:01:57] <APlayer> Helpmeland: This
looks like it will wobble
L453[11:02:05] <Fluburtur> doesn't do much
with smaller wings
L454[11:02:17] <Fluburtur> but it works ok
on larger ones
L455[11:02:43] <JCB> Spacesim is old
program... early days. Didn't have building your own ships in it.
But did have similar motion physics in space
L456[11:02:44] <Helpmeland101> APlayer
what should i do then to lose length with losing DV?
L457[11:03:01] <Helpmeland101> JCB
cool
L458[11:03:18] <Helpmeland101> APlayer
without losing DV?
L459[11:03:26] <Fluburtur> also saying
that tailless flying wings can't fly without computers is bullshit,
it's all in the design
L460[11:03:35] <APlayer> I think you can
make the rocket itself smaller
L461[11:03:40] <Helpmeland101> how
to?
L462[11:03:55] <JCB> I played with it a
bit, then tried Orbitor, I think I played with Spacesim more. Even
found a strategy guide for it that taught me a lot.
L463[11:03:57] <APlayer> For one, this is
a rescue mission. Don't bring the science equipment
L464[11:04:02] <Helpmeland101> ok
L465[11:04:09] *
UmbralRaptop pokes Fluburtur with the language rule
L466[11:04:10] <Helpmeland101> but how
should i get the science then?
L467[11:04:11] <APlayer> It's too big and
heavy
L468[11:04:26] <Fluburtur> having some
spanwise twist in flying wings help a lot with stuff
L469[11:04:26] <APlayer> You want to get
the Kerbal back at first. ;-)
L470[11:04:35] <APlayer> Get the science
with another probe
L471[11:05:11] <APlayer> Then, you can
make the tank of the lander smaller
L472[11:05:35] <Helpmeland101> ok
L473[11:05:39] <APlayer> Without the
science equipment, I think the old tank might even be enough
L474[11:05:47] <JCB> As much as I like
seeing new players coming to the game, I do wonder at times about
trying to make a few tutorials...
L475[11:06:02] <APlayer> You can remove
the two parachutes on the sides
L476[11:06:11] <APlayer> The one on the
top is enough
L477[11:06:18] <JCB> Anyone tried a live
KSP classroom?
L478[11:06:39] <APlayer> If in doubt, test
it with a small launch
L479[11:07:11] <APlayer> The capsule
*should* survive impact with that parachute
L480[11:07:27] <Helpmeland101> should
it?
L481[11:07:28] <JCB> ... heh..
'should'?
L482[11:07:31] <Helpmeland101> and would
it?
L483[11:07:38] <JCB> well.. you don't
wanna hit atmos too hard
L484[11:08:06] <JCB> if your orbit is
circular just above 70km.. should be ok if you start your deorbit
there
L485[11:08:40] <UmbralRaptop> That
materials bay I'd unlikely yo survive reentry.
L486[11:09:02] <JCB> ugh those sci-jr
things? Ya... serious pain.
L487[11:09:03] <UmbralRaptop> *to
L490[11:09:27] <Althego> that lander
wouldnt work
L491[11:09:31] <Althego> it is too
high
L492[11:09:32] <JCB> I've tried a few
things to keep heat off them in past versions. They tend to just
blow up for no reason
L493[11:09:34] <Helpmeland101> why?
L494[11:09:35] <Althego> it will tip
over
L495[11:09:54] <Helpmeland101> so should i
make the lander smaller?
L496[11:09:57] <Althego> those landing
legs give you only a tiny baase
L497[11:10:12] <JCB> you going for rescue
or landing on the mun?
L498[11:11:03] <Althego> it is always good
to make landers flat
L499[11:11:21] <Althego> although that is
going against aerodynamics
L500[11:12:31] <JCB> There are times I
worry there is so much to keep track of for new people getting into
this.
L501[11:12:50] <APlayer> Helpmeland: For
the lander, I suggest a simple capsule with a simple tank
L502[11:12:54] <Althego> but as i have
heard that russian style capsule is not too aerodynamic
anyway
L503[11:13:17] <JCB> things like, does the
pod/probe have gyros to help turn, or do you want to go with rcs..
how about power. which engines produce or don't, extra batteries..
or solar?
L504[11:13:57] <JCB> Althego no but
generally don't want to re-enter with a fuel tank strapped to your
side still.
L505[11:14:12] <Althego> that too
L506[11:15:18] <JCB> Some day.. when i get
around to using KIS/KAS, might try doing some of my cargo drop pod
designs.
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L510[11:17:55] <Helpmeland101> how about
this?
L512[11:18:18] <Helpmeland101> seems
good
L513[11:18:21] <Helpmeland101> doesn't
it?
L514[11:18:41] <Helpmeland101> the lander
it self will be disposed when entering atmosphere
L515[11:19:00] <Helpmeland101> or should i
keep the lander for landing on kerbin?
L516[11:19:06] <RandomJeb> is this for a
mun landing?
L517[11:20:03] <Helpmeland101> yes
L519[11:20:11] <Helpmeland101> saving
mission
L520[11:20:47] <JCB> sorry, here I thought
it was an orbital mission..
L521[11:21:01] <Helpmeland101> no ;)
L522[11:21:04] <Helpmeland101> xD
L523[11:21:20] <Helpmeland101> Basically
I'm trying to return my kerb from mun
L524[11:21:50] <Helpmeland101> And knowing
that i cant really land pin point next to my kerb
L525[11:21:56] <Helpmeland101> what should
i do?
L526[11:22:03] <JCB> I've got a rescue
mission on the mun but its down around 45 degrees south. Rather
than making a new craft, going to use something I already have in
orbit and proven to work.. just need to bring more fuel because of
how far south it is
L527[11:22:22] <Althego> you can go a few
kms on foot and with the suit jets
L528[11:22:30] <Helpmeland101> yep
L529[11:22:31] <Helpmeland101> ok
L530[11:22:36] <JCB> just
practice...
L531[11:23:01] <Helpmeland101> how do u
transfer fuel?
L532[11:23:21] <JCB> landing pinpoint
isn't too hard.. its making sure you retro properly so you don't
either crash or go back into orbit again
L533[11:23:32] <Helpmeland101> ohh
L534[11:23:33] <Helpmeland101> k
L535[11:24:28] <Helpmeland101> so is the
ship good enogh?
L536[11:24:33] <Helpmeland101> do i need
more DV
L537[11:24:33] <Helpmeland101> ?
L538[11:24:48] <JCB> you in career? I
think you may have to upgrade one of your facilities for resource
transfer. Otherwise, you can just right click hte part with fuel.
Hold 'Ctrl' (if on PC) and right click another fuel tank part
L539[11:25:39] <Eddi|zuHause> did they
change that? it used to be some convoluted right-shift (or alt)
click
L540[11:25:39] <Helpmeland101> yep i have
to upgrade
L541[11:26:08] <JCB> sorry.. alt..
L542[11:26:14] <Althego> alt on windows,
right shift otherwise
L543[11:26:45] <JCB> I hadn't used it in a
while so I sorta reverted back to the standard select/deselect
convention windows uses
L544[11:28:15] <JCB> All I can say is,
test run it... Delta-V is only one of the many problems you may
come across
L545[11:30:50] <Helpmeland101> so what do
u think about the ship?
L546[11:30:55] <Helpmeland101> that I've
built
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L549[11:31:34] <Helpmeland101> will i get
to mun and back?
L550[11:32:18] <JCB> hard to say with just
looking at it... test it
L551[11:33:09] <JCB> I could see a few
problems already... but answering those for you right from the
start, I may get a few things wrong myself
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L553[11:35:14] <Helpmeland101> what is the
main problem?
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L555[11:41:50] <JCB> might see some extra
drag up top... it /may/ try to flip the rocket over while
launching?
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L558[11:45:27] <JCB> Ugh.. anyone else
having friends that give a ton of grief over the space shuttle
system?
L559[11:45:55] <Althego> i know a guy who
worked on the space shuttle program
L560[11:46:15] <Althego> but no
grief
L561[11:46:47] <Helpmeland101> Where do u
work guys?
L562[11:46:54] <Helpmeland101> I'm just
curious
L563[11:47:03] <Helpmeland101> where do
such smart people work?
L564[11:47:52] <JCB> Then again, same
friend of mine thinks Buran would have done better if Russia hadn't
imploded or something... eh..
L565[11:48:00] <Althego> maybe
L566[11:48:28] <Althego> but the facts
show just the reassembly of the shuttle is so costly that it is not
worth it
L567[11:48:38] <JCB> Helpmeland101 I just
do temp work, mostly construction.. but I've been with my head in
space subjects since I was little.
L568[11:48:49] <Helpmeland101> Cool
L569[11:49:16] <Helpmeland101> wbu
althelog?
L570[11:49:40] <Helpmeland101> Again how
much DV would i need to get to mun and back?
L571[11:49:57] <JCB> As in bring it back?
Eh.. no wasn't arguing that. I think friend just sour two shuttles
were lost so the system was demed a failure..e
L573[11:50:05] <Althego> in the
topic
L574[11:50:27] <Althego> + some serious
reserve for landing
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L579[11:53:38] <UmbralRaptop> Iffy.
L580[11:53:51] <Helpmeland101> What do u
mean?
L581[11:54:04] <UmbralRaptop> rule of
thumb is 7 km/s for a round trip.
L582[11:54:13] <Fluburtur> k so the vector
is the only engine capable of lifting my rocket
L583[11:54:18] <JCB> You even attempted to
launch it yet?
L584[11:54:22] <Helpmeland101> no
L585[11:54:25] <Helpmeland101> I'm
scared
L586[11:54:26] <Helpmeland101> xD
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L588[11:54:41] <JCB> you do know you can
just 'revert' right? Unless you turned that option off
L589[11:54:42] <Helpmeland101> So what
should i do before flying it?
L590[11:54:48] <UmbralRaptop> Ultimately,
kerbals are replaceable. >_>
L591[11:54:51] <Althego> i would go with a
single engine for the lander
L592[11:55:08] <Althego> and tanks would
be detachable after liftoff
L593[11:55:14] <Helpmeland101> hmmm
L594[11:55:18] <Helpmeland101> I'm not
sure
L595[11:55:22] <Helpmeland101> let me test
it
L596[11:55:35] <JCB> UmbralRaptop
Perhaps... but I generally don't make that a main focus when I
play. Just me... :\
L597[11:55:36] <Althego> you can change
the ker window to full indication
L598[11:55:48] <Althego> and then you can
chosoe target body
L599[11:55:50] <Fluburtur> time to make a
new mun/minmus hopper
L600[11:55:57] <Fluburtur> with ION
ENGINES
L601[11:55:57] <Althego> you can see tw on
the mun
L602[11:56:05] <UmbralRaptop> Silly
question: how does that lander turn when the engines are off?
<_<
L603[11:56:08] <Althego> never do anything
with ion engines
L604[11:56:20] <Althego> reaction
wheels
L605[11:56:27] <Althego> byr where is the
solar panel?
L606[11:56:58] <Althego> does that capsule
have reaction wheels?
L607[11:56:59] <JCB> Reaction wheels...
ever had someone come here, asking why their tyres/tires weren't
turning the craft, even though they could see them spinning?
:P
L608[11:57:11] <Helpmeland101> Wait
L609[11:57:18] <Helpmeland101> i don't
have rcs!
L610[11:57:22] <Helpmeland101> What should
i do?
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L612[11:57:30] <JCB> hold up...
L613[11:57:34] <Althego> in stock ksp you
almost never need rcs
L614[11:57:35] <JCB> ask yourself, you
doing any docking?
L615[11:57:57] <Althego> at least i would
be ok with reaction wheels only
L616[11:58:03] <Althego> for a mun
landing
L617[11:58:10] <Althego> doin the whole
thing on batteries is a bit scarier
L618[11:58:20] <JCB> If you don't care
about playing total realism, don't really need RCS, just as long as
you have power for the reaction wheels
L619[11:58:21] <Helpmeland101> no
L620[11:58:39] <Helpmeland101> wait
L621[11:58:44] <Helpmeland101> I'm about
to go
L622[11:59:46] <JCB> Althego I'm a little
more hardcore then... I land, and takeoff with RCS, batteries. Then
again, I sort of design my craft with a bit more going on
L623[12:00:17] <UmbralRaptop> Althego: the
KV pods don't have reaction wheels.
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L625[12:00:21] <Althego> rcs is extra
mass, monoprop engines are not efficient
L626[12:00:26] <Althego> haha
L627[12:00:35] <Althego> then there is
some need for rcs
L628[12:01:04] <UmbralRaptop> They're hard
mode in some ways.
L629[12:01:42] <Althego> i dont remember
ever running out of monoprop
L630[12:01:51] <Helpmeland101> well
L631[12:02:02] <Helpmeland101> this thing
is about to get into orbit
L632[12:02:20] <Helpmeland101> now the ap
is at 86k
L633[12:02:31] <Helpmeland101>
thousand*
L634[12:03:07] <Helpmeland101> i shold of
got atleast 100,000 to be fair
L635[12:03:14] <JCB> depends on how small
the craft is.. sometimes momprop can do things regular dual fuel
engines can't
L636[12:03:33] <Althego> it was doing
wonders with the masless o-10
L637[12:03:42] <JCB> Though, I have found
times where even 60 monoprop is a pain to fit in...
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L639[12:03:49] <Althego> with the engine
nerf those times are over
L640[12:04:09] <Althego> i liked to put
some monoporop engines on capsules to simulate the soyuz soft
landing
L641[12:04:18] <Althego> car crash
"soft"
L642[12:04:42] <JCB> I don't exactly land
on the mun with mono engines... use them more as a control
helper.
L643[12:05:37] <Helpmeland101> flip
L644[12:05:45] <Helpmeland101> i flipped
up the orbiting
L645[12:05:51] <Helpmeland101> have to do
things again
L646[12:07:56] <Althego> what, you went
towards west?
L647[12:08:26] <Helpmeland101> yes
L648[12:08:29] <JCB> well.. could
technically have done it still... just backwards
L649[12:08:33] <Helpmeland101> yep
L650[12:08:42] <JCB> means more fuel to
spend to get up there..
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L652[12:09:05] <JCB> most of the work is
just getting to orbit... after that, mostly easy
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L654[12:09:19] <Azander> JCB..
docking....
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L656[12:10:19] <JCB> Azander lol.. not
even that... try rendezvousing and pinpoint landings
L657[12:11:08] <Azander> Haven't been able
to do that one yet :(
L658[12:11:18] <JCB> docking is only hard
because you don't have a sense of perspective... if KSP was in 3D,
woudln't be so much a problem
L659[12:11:21] <Azander> I can get 'close'
for landings
L660[12:12:16] <Azander> target the launch
pad, end up landing near the monolith
L661[12:12:26] <JCB> I've managed to dock
things without RCS... it can actually be done. Its just how things
are setup
L662[12:12:44] <Azander> I still need RCS
for docking... lots of it :(
L663[12:12:49] <Althego> docking is
easy
L664[12:12:57] <Azander> getting better at
it though :)
L665[12:12:59] <JCB> its ok.. just takes
practice
L666[12:13:00] <Althego> once you know
what you are doing
L667[12:13:20] <Helpmeland101> NESW
L668[12:13:20] <Eddi|zuHause> i can do
rendevouz without rcs, but docking is a bit more tricky
L669[12:13:27] <Althego> before that, it
is hardcore. my first docking took around an hour an i was sweating
bullets
L670[12:13:29] <Helpmeland101> Never Eat
Shreded Wheat
L671[12:13:58] <Eddi|zuHause> as in
flour?
L672[12:14:00] <Helpmeland101> randevouz
are proper hard
L673[12:14:04] <Helpmeland101> i don't get
em
L674[12:14:24] <Althego> lower orbits are
faster, higher orbits are slower
L675[12:14:45] <JCB> I tried the docking
sim at the Museum of Flight in Seattle... You in the MMU with the
grapple trying to latch into something. I got a good high score,
but it warned I rushed too much. Yet they gave you fuel, battery
limits)
L676[12:14:58] <Althego> so choose a
concentric orbit to catch up or wait for tha target than place a
node to find where to burn
L677[12:15:03] <Eddi|zuHause> rendevouz is
easy, go in a slightly elliptic orbit with one end touching the
orbit you want to reach, then adjust the maneuver timing for when
you're close
L678[12:15:40] <Eddi|zuHause> with two
maneuvers you should be ready to meet
L679[12:15:58] <Eddi|zuHause> that's how i
do low orbit rendevouz
L680[12:16:14] <Rokker> JCB: eh, you can
find that simulator at a ton of museums
L681[12:16:37] <Rokker> JCB: I've played
it a few times here in Dayton
L682[12:16:55] <JCB> it was my first
time.. though I'm a bit of an old hand at things like that
L683[12:16:57] <Rokker> also, museum
ping
L684[12:17:08] <Rokker> M U S E U M
L685[12:17:12] <JCB> trying to find an
article right now on one of the gemini docking missions
L686[12:17:23] <Rokker> which
L687[12:17:49] <Rokker> JCB: come to Ohio,
I'll show you the Gemini of the most famous Gemini docking
mission
L688[12:17:59] <Althego> argh, dont do
that. you see what you have done now? you woke up rokker
L689[12:18:26] <JCB> Rokker The highest
orbit one?
L690[12:18:29] <Rokker> Althego:
MUSEUM
L691[12:18:53] <Rokker> JCB: the one that
went all spinny and almost killed Neil Armstrong
L692[12:19:03] <Rokker> Gemini 8
L693[12:19:40] <JCB> Oh .. Armstrong
L694[12:20:22] <Helpmeland101> is 2,200 dv
enough to get to mun and back?
L695[12:20:45] <Rokker> Helpmeland101: use
a dv map
L696[12:20:57] <Helpmeland101> I'm not
sure how to use one
L697[12:21:02] <Althego> no
L698[12:21:06] <Althego> you need to add
the numbers
L700[12:21:15] <Althego> you see, from
kerbin orbit
L701[12:21:17] <Helpmeland101> Do i need
to x2 them?
L702[12:21:38] <Rokker> Helpmeland101: add
the numbers up, if there is a down arrow you only need to add them
in one direction
L703[12:21:40] <Althego> add 860 + 310 +
580 + 580 + 310 that is with aerobraking on kerbin
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L705[12:22:01] <Rokker> because in the
other direction the atmosphere helps you brake
L706[12:22:10] <Althego> but this doesnt
give you any error margin, especially for the landing in your case
i would go with at least 800
L707[12:22:31] <Helpmeland101> 860 + 310 +
580 + 580 + 310 = 2640
L708[12:22:36] <Helpmeland101> i have
slightly les
L709[12:22:36] <Rokker> JCB: also, there
is the Gemini B with the hatch in the heat shield
L710[12:22:37] <Helpmeland101> s
L711[12:22:53] <Helpmeland101> 2260 is it
enough?
L712[12:22:55] <Rokker> Helpmeland101:
yes, from Mervin orbit to lunar surface and back
L713[12:23:02] <Rokker> Kerbin
L714[12:23:13] <Rokker> should be 2640 by
your numbers
L715[12:23:16] <Rokker> so no
L716[12:23:19] <Helpmeland101> ok
L717[12:23:30] <Helpmeland101> lets try do
it slightly different way
L718[12:23:32] <Althego> and also at least
300 more for reserve
L719[12:23:40] <Althego> so let's say
3000
L720[12:23:51] <Rokker> Helpmeland101:
yeah, always add a good margin of error om
L721[12:23:54] <Rokker> on
L722[12:23:59] <Rokker> cause nobody is
perfect
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L725[12:24:51] <Althego> a lot of fuel can
be wasted on a precision landing
L726[12:24:51] <JCB> I'm trying to find
where it talks about the direct-ascent rendezvous Gemini did.. what
it was called. M-0 or something
L727[12:29:38] <JCB> Ah.. found it.. M=1
rendezvous
L728[12:31:12] <JCB> I actually done one
of those with a booster stage in orbit.. not easy. Getting the
timing just right where you have to do very little RCS
maneuvering
L729[12:31:49] <JCB> Trick is knowing how
long it takes you to launch on a specific flight profile, and then
getting the timing just right
L730[12:32:33] <Helpmeland101> What is
minimal pe and ap high't to get to moon?
L731[12:33:54] <JCB> eh...
L732[12:34:13] <JCB> long as you don't hit
atmos..
L733[12:35:13] <JCB> you able to work with
maneuver nodes?
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L736[12:39:31] <Helpmeland101> Ahh, I'm
tired
L737[12:39:37] <Helpmeland101> Will play
it later
L738[12:39:45] <Helpmeland101> have to
have a little rest now
L739[12:39:56] <Helpmeland101> Bye!! See
ya!
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L741[12:42:06] <JCB> ok...
L742[12:42:12] <JCB> been wondering, going
to ask again:
L743[12:42:39] <JCB> anyone ever
considered streaming something of classroom on how to play KSP a
bit?
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L745[12:43:49] <RandomJeb> like a how to
play thing? A tutorial of sorts?
L746[12:44:17] <JCB> or a place people
could ask questions..
L747[12:44:43] <JCB> I mean.. I know there
is here, but with so much going on the game, text can only fill you
in on so much
L748[12:46:11] <JCB> I know the game has
tutorials... but those are sort of just 'set'... I'm sure you all
get questions on all kinds of things here
L749[12:49:36] <JCB> Its just a
thought.... I don't mind teaching people. I guess I'm a little sad
good friend of mine, got the game but found it too difficult
L750[12:53:36] <RandomJeb> I know some
people in here will stream the game from time to time, maybe one of
those would be up for something like this
L751[12:53:46] <RandomJeb> I'm pretty sure
there are video series on youtube where people have done similar
stuff though
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L753[12:57:23] <JCB> a couple of videos I
wanna do, touches on some uncommon topics
L754[12:57:46] <JCB> though.. thinking
maybe I'll have to move some of my already made stuff from 1.2? to
1.3?
L755[12:58:03] <JCB> I could 1.4.... but
how is it now?
L756[12:58:21] <RandomJeb> I haven't
actually played 1.4 yet
L757[12:58:40] <RandomJeb> I have a copy
of 1.3 with a modset I like and I don't want to move on yet
L758[12:59:03] <RandomJeb> I'll likely end
up leaving that next to my golden 0.90 with mods as well at some
near future point :P
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L761[12:59:41] <JCB> ... I've copies of
versions as they came out since .23 or so...
L763[13:00:45] <JCB> Fluburtur
space-rush-hour?
L764[13:00:51] <JCB> looks a bit.. busy
over there
L765[13:01:09] <Fluburtur> yeah I have a
lot of crap in space
L766[13:02:38] <JCB> not crap if its still
alive
L767[13:02:52] <RandomJeb> tends to go
like that for me as well, I don't follow a probe out to eeloo or
whatever I just send it on its way and start a new project
L768[13:02:59] <Althego> with space jackie
chan?
L769[13:05:20] <Draconiator> I have not
moved from 1.2.2 yet. and I've only touched the Steam copy to see
what is new.
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L772[13:06:33] <marcus> 1.4 is pretty good
:)
L773[13:06:57] <Althego> except fod the
exploding landing legs and oversized fairing base
L774[13:08:34] <marcus> Weren't those
patched?
L775[13:09:06] <Draconiator> I DID try to
move on to 1.3, but that crashed with all of my mods, so I'm not
movin'.
L776[13:10:45] <JCB> No steam here.. got
directly from Squad
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L779[13:23:02] <Draconiator> and it flies
nice but.....unsure if those vertical fins are enough....
L780[13:25:22] <Supercheese> moar
boosters
L781[13:28:41] <JCB> Draconiator could try
placing them on the center back wing.. bring them in closer to the
center line
L782[13:30:56] <Draconiator> Oh wow I
didn't see that and that's what I did. although I used a Structural
Wing Type D with an Elevon 4 on it.
L783[13:35:21] <Draconiator> The thing is
almost all wing so it was sort of hard to get the CoL behind the
CoM. and it's JUST BARELY behind it now. It's so slow though
doesn't matter.
L784[13:37:08] <Draconiator> seriously
think I can land the thing on top of the VAB, using the dual
helipads as a runway.
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L787[13:43:42] <JCB> I did little fliers
too... though not much in the glider sense since don't have props
in stock
L789[13:46:04] <Althego> you can build
them pretty small these days
L790[13:46:12] <Althego> stock props
L791[13:46:43] <Althego> although if i try
to build them the standard ways they always fail
L792[13:46:59] *
Tortoise767 crawls
L793[13:48:13] *
UmbralRaptop waves at Tortoise767.
L794[13:50:12] *
Tortoise767 waves back!
L795[13:51:57] <Draconiator> I wanna make
another version for Eve. I tried this one there and the atmosphere
is so thick it won't work.
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L797[14:00:00] <JCB> .....
L798[14:00:22] <JCB> less delta V to go
from Kerbin orbit to land on Gilley than it is to land on Mun
huh?
L799[14:02:52] <SnoopJeDi> KSP got a
shoutout in a local TEDx talk I saw today about education through
games :D
L800[14:06:45] <jgkamat> yay :D
L801[14:06:51] <Tortoise767> what mods do
you KSP 1.4.x users use for Delta-V calculations, since KER isn't
updated?
L802[14:07:12] <jgkamat> I learned pretty
much all I know about orbits and most of my physics from ksp and
related activities so it's real :)
L803[14:07:23] <marcus> SnoopJeDi:
mechjeb
L804[14:07:45] <SnoopJeDi> marcus,
uh?
L805[14:08:28] <marcus> sorry, was for
Tortoise767
L806[14:08:43] <SnoopJeDi> oh okay, I
glanced at scrollback but didn't see it
L808[14:09:33] <Tortoise767> Ah alright,
I'll use mechjeb for the timebeing then, for Dv calcs. thanks
@marcus
L809[14:11:29] <JCB> oh.. triple
power
L810[14:18:44] <Gasher> Draconiator, those
side wing strakes might be too heavy compared to thinner ones
L811[14:19:55] <Fluburtur> Draconiator
pitch authority will be bad, you should move the rear wings at the
front and make them canadars
L812[14:20:03] <Fluburtur> canards*
L813[14:20:41] <Supercheese> Canadian
canards...
L814[14:20:43] <Supercheese>
Canadards
L815[14:21:56] <Gasher> also known as
canaducks
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L829[15:49:27] <marcus> Tortoise767: I
also recommend setting up some custom windows, ie. for targets
(distance, relative velocity, etc)
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L834[15:57:10] <Tortoise767> @marcus good
idea, i'll probably do that ;p
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L839[16:14:31] <marcus> Tortoise767:
beware though, too much mechjeb and you'll spend time building and
planning missions instead of manually controlling rockets ;)
L840[16:15:04] <marcus> I mean, that's how
NASA launches shit, there's a really skilled dude pressing WASD and
carefully regulating the throttle
L841[16:16:24] *
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L842[16:16:25] <marcus> SORRY
L843[16:17:01] <marcus> I meant Spacecraft
for Human Interplanetary Travel of course :(
L844[16:19:57] <UmbralRaptop> carry
on
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L846[16:29:34] <Tortoise767> @marcus yeah,
I've actually been trying to avoid mechjeb ever since I started
playing KSP years ago. But sometimes I get forced to use it, when
other mods don't update lmao. But I actually might start
experimenting with allowing it to autopilot my rockets.
L847[16:31:07] <marcus> it's a matter of
taste and personal preference imo
L848[16:31:17] <marcus> I don't
particularily enjoy the "steering rockets by
hand"-thing
L849[16:33:30] <Tortoise767> ah
L850[16:34:57] <Tortoise767> ive always
been the exact opposite. but i've recently been considering just
letting the computer do everything,since thats the way it's mostly
done irl
L851[16:35:19] <Tortoise767> much less
prone to error that way aswell
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L857[17:02:41] <KrazyKrl> Have you
considered using kOS to program it yourself?
L858[17:08:29] <SnoopJeDi> Tortoise767,
it's not all-or-nothing, you can use mechjeb to automate the parts
that are less fun and do it by hand for other stuff that is still
satisfying :)
L859[17:09:12] <SnoopJeDi> and learning
about how mechjeb does things can be really rewarding as you learn
about actual controls systems as they were/are used in flight
:)
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L863[17:17:42] <Mat2ch> RSS/RO is hard,
when you play career mode. Where to get all those science
from...
L864[17:18:07] <Fluburtur> why is drawing
so hard
L865[17:19:40] <Mat2ch> Because you're not
used to it
L866[17:20:22] <Fluburtur> well im
somewhat supposed to be an ""artist" because of the
prop making studies I did
L867[17:20:39] <Fluburtur> but im not much
interested in drawing unless it's something I want
L868[17:20:58] <Fluburtur> so that's hard,
I want to draw nice stuff but I don't want to practice
drawing
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L870[17:27:17] <adsii1970> How do I
register my nickname here?
L871[17:28:00] <jgkamat> adsii1970: you
can message NickServ 'help' for commands
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L873[17:34:01] <adsii1970> Ok, am official
now...
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L876[17:36:28] <jgkamat> :D
L877[17:40:32] <lordcirth> Accidentally
aerobraking too little on return is somewhat hair-raising when
you've jettisoned your life support
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L879[17:45:25] <lordcirth> 1500 science in
one run - been a while since I did that
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L883[17:52:03] <KrazyKrl> lithobraking
lithobreaking is the only true way.
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L887[18:01:57] <AlterJeb> lithobraking can
save you the delta-v for not only a landing, but the entire return
trip home as well
L888[18:02:15] <AlterJeb> excellent
maneuver if you can pull it off
L889[18:19:42] <Fluburtur> are hueys still
in service in the US?
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L892[18:20:25] <KrazyKrl> Yes hueys
are.
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L894[18:20:56] <Fluburtur> reliable stuff
heh
L895[18:21:18] <KrazyKrl> Reliable...
Helicopter
L896[18:21:21] <KrazyKrl> does not
compute.
L897[18:21:59] <Fluburtur> heh
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L899[18:24:28] <Fluburtur> I guess Rokker
could say nice things about it
L900[18:25:12] <Guest93375> Hey all, I'm
not sure if its me or what. When I launch a basic craft, upon
launch I notice that I can see the chute through the propulsion
then my craft starts going all over. Am I doing something wrong or
is it in the game?
L901[18:25:37] <Fluburtur> check yo
staging
L902[18:25:44] <KrazyKrl> you can drag the
parachute in the staging area
L903[18:26:00] <Guest93375> hmmm
L904[18:26:44] <Guest93375> I only have
the chute, capsule and engine
L905[18:27:08] <KrazyKrl> yes, place the
chute in a lower-numbered stage
L906[18:27:16] <KrazyKrl> you are
activating the parachute with the engine.
L907[18:27:38] <Guest93375> I will check
it out. It was starting to drive me nuts
L908[18:27:43] <Guest93375> Thx
L909[18:27:48] <KrazyKrl> if you need to
make another stage, click the plus button in the staging bar
thingy
L910[18:27:55] <Guest93375> k
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L919[19:09:42] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L923[19:13:54] <Tortoise767> Evening,
Supernovy
L924[19:16:11] <Fluburtur> I was looking
at the pictures from my year in the prop making school
L925[19:16:13] <Fluburtur> good
stuff
L926[19:16:23] <Fluburtur> like the one
where we hang a head from the ceiling
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L930[19:37:57] <Rokker> Fluburtur: based
huey
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L933[19:40:07] <Rokker> Fluburtur: the
huey still sees limited US military use
L934[19:40:33] <Fluburtur> is it good
choppah
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L942[20:39:59] <marcus> finally
L944[20:40:18] <tawny> wow that's
elaborate
L945[20:40:19] <marcus> that should
provice sufficient coverage, I hope
L946[20:41:37] <marcus> 6 planes with 6
60deg spaced satellites at 60deg inclination, each plane 60deg from
the next plane
L947[20:42:00] <marcus> + 6 at 60deg
seperation at 0 inclination
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L949[20:47:09] <AlterJeb> what about
planet blocking? You need some high eccentricity polar orbit long
range commsats
L950[20:48:55] <marcus> oh, this is only
for LKO comms
L951[20:50:22] <marcus> For long distance,
I'll set up another constellation of relays in a polar orbit, with
a dedicated relay in synchronous orbit over the space center
L952[20:51:45] <KrazyKrl> Just use L4/L5
for the long range comsats.
L953[20:52:07] <marcus> For the Duna comms
backbone, I'll also put a backup relay in a simulated L5 point (and
possibly L4) to avoid disconnects when the sun is on the other
side
L954[20:53:23] <KrazyKrl> Probably 3 sats
at L3+L4+L5 would handle 99.999% of situations.
L955[20:53:51] <marcus> Using RemoteTech
though, so dishes have to point at one specific place
L956[21:03:33] <Eddi|zuHause> kerbin L4/5
or duna L4/5?
L957[21:12:13] <KrazyKrl> Well... the fact
that KSP only has 1 SoI at a time; you can probably setup a
constellation of sats along kerbin's orbital path. Then you just
need to point your sats at the orbital plane of kerbin to get a
signal.
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L959[21:18:34] <marcus> KrazyKrl: Yeah,
that's why "simulated" :)
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L962[21:38:32] <SnoopJeDi> you could use
Principia and simulate it :P
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L981[23:53:28] <Tortoise767> so ehm
L982[23:53:33] <Tortoise767> I need help
with MJ
L983[23:54:00] <Tortoise767> I'm trying to
let it launch my rocket into orbit, but it's making my entire
rocket overheat
L984[23:54:02] <Tortoise767> and blow
up
L985[23:54:06] <Tortoise767> before it
leaves the atmosphere
L986[23:54:23] <Althego> lol
L987[23:54:43] <Althego> cant you limit
thrust / acceleration?
L988[23:55:37] <Tortoise767> hmm let me
see.