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L11[00:55:58] <Supercheese> once again, farming Minmus for science
L12[00:56:23] <Supercheese> although I have sci rewards set to 50% this playthrough, so it's not quite as cheese-easy
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L14[01:08:09] <Lyneira> For some reason my brain interpreted the top line as "once again, farming Minmus for cheese"
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L19[01:21:22] <Gasher[work]> Lyneira, lol
L20[01:21:53] <Gasher[work]> also i wonder if you can get KSP money by drilling kerbin for fuel and then fly it for recovery to KSC
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L26[01:53:15] <Althego> you dont need to fly it
L27[01:53:18] <Althego> just drill the launchpad
L28[01:56:54] <Gasher[work]> or that, but i was thinking maybe there is a place with better ore ratio just nearby to speed that up
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L40[03:12:51] <Lyneira> I've done that. Set up a mining rig about 3 km from KSC in the grasslands, convert to monopropellant, drive a big monoprop truck over every few days to cash in. Made me a few hundred k per trip.
L41[03:13:23] <Lyneira> If you put it out of the runway approach and 3 km away then you won't have loading issues when flying other ships near KSC
L42[03:19:18] <Gasher[work]> approach like, in the hills west of the KSC>
L43[03:19:19] <Gasher[work]> ?
L44[03:21:26] <Lyneira> Yeah, if you put a rig there it will load as you fly your space planes to the runway
L45[03:21:46] <Lyneira> Which is undesirable
L46[03:24:01] <Triffid_Hunter_> heh you're pivoting to regular mining for income rather than space mining?
L47[03:24:28] <Althego> bagger 288 :)
L48[03:24:54] <Lyneira> Not me, I just went to sandbox mode after the umpteenth time of starting a new career so I could get straight to playing with hoverjets
L49[03:25:33] <Gasher[work]> Triffid_Hunter_, yeah that
L50[03:26:17] <Lyneira> Incoming MM patch that nerfs all Ore from Kerbin... Because it's all claimed by Kerbal mining companies already :P
L51[03:26:35] <Lyneira> Someone has to supply the KSC with all that fuel for ridiculously overengineered rockets
L52[03:31:34] <Technicalfool> would think rather than driving a truck over, just fly a mining rig over, then fly it back. >.>
L53[03:32:02] <Technicalfool> or ya know, just recover if you're not bothered by having a mere 97% recovery bonus.
L54[03:32:33] <Gasher[work]> leave some space for KSP perfectionists
L55[03:32:37] <Gasher[work]> * to
L56[03:34:09] <Technicalfool> do wonder about putting ore into thin crack-like veins rather than big splotches though.
L57[03:34:41] <Lyneira> That's an interesting idea
L58[03:35:16] <Gasher[work]> hm, will you get science from such ore recoveries with that admin building program?
L59[03:39:31] <Technicalfool> remind me to test that when I'm not testing other stuff :P
L60[03:39:50] <Gasher[work]> i can test that myself then :P
L61[03:45:23] <Lyneira> Hm, can you make resources have no recovery value? They cost money to buy, but don't give anything back when recovered
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L68[04:20:41] <Lyneira> That's one thing I hadn't done yet... Visiting the temple of Tut-Un Jeb-Ahn in the hoverjet: http://puu.sh/zXn35/4bc82fee74.jpg
L69[04:25:30] <Gasher[work]> well ore harvesting from runway works
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L72[04:35:36] <Gasher[work]> about 63k funds per month with that runway drilling thing lol
L73[04:36:09] <Gasher[work]> it looks like a hellish weevil
L74[04:36:53] <Gasher[work]> https://i.imgur.com/p7JNyYS.jpg
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L76[04:37:19] <Lyneira> Bit much on the converters maybe?
L77[04:37:51] <Lyneira> EVen a 1.25m converter can easily keep up with a large drill
L78[04:38:22] <Gasher[work]> yeah that's why more drills
L79[04:38:42] <Gasher[work]> i did not make any math just slapped that all together
L80[04:39:14] <Tank2333> O/
L81[04:39:45] <Lyneira> o/
L82[04:42:07] * Lyneira equips Tank2333 with Kerbal Foundries Anti Grav Motors
L83[04:49:13] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/1e0d4ad9172abba435491f8fb9a1b60b/tumblr_mkanxlCQV21s6b55co1_400.gif
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L85[04:55:30] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-z9PidYH4E
L86[04:55:30] <kmath> YouTube - I built a PC out of rope and wood...
L87[04:57:09] <Fluburtur> one of my ears is less loud than the other
L88[04:57:18] <Fluburtur> might have to do with how I sleep
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L90[04:59:41] <Tank2333> Lyneira i feel 40 tons lighter, thank you.
L91[05:00:04] <Lyneira> You're now a HoverTank!
L92[05:00:40] <Mat2ch> Althego: that's a case. Not a PC. That's stupid :P
L93[05:00:45] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-fluUQApO8
L94[05:00:45] <Tank2333> The Future!
L95[05:00:45] <kmath> YouTube - Kruzah chook video
L96[05:00:55] <Althego> and it looks like a coffee machines
L97[05:00:56] <Althego> -s
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L100[05:02:07] <fakeTank2333> If it can make me cofee im would be impressed
L101[05:02:26] <fakeTank2333> -m
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L112[05:37:20] <Black_Eagle> uumm how do people make these supersonic junos?
L113[05:38:00] <Fluburtur> good aerodynamics
L114[05:38:11] <Fluburtur> but it's not hard to get a juno to go supersonic
L115[05:39:15] <Black_Eagle> what kind of a juno-to-mass should i be looking at?
L116[05:39:46] <Fluburtur> idk
L117[05:39:58] <Black_Eagle> NO WAIT, it's the solar panels again
L118[05:40:05] <Black_Eagle> it has to be that
L119[05:40:58] <bees> Black_Eagle: 1 juno / 2-3t
L120[05:41:03] <bees> (rough guess)
L121[05:41:10] <APlayer> LOL that fairing wiggle: https://youtu.be/qY7fsYBFFUA?t=1h6m59s
L122[05:42:21] <Fluburtur> I think my yak 15 can go almost supersonic
L123[05:43:34] <Althego> hehe
L124[05:43:41] <Althego> i waanted to look up this exactl launch
L125[05:43:45] <Althego> i knew it happened
L126[05:44:08] <Fluburtur> those swiss fairings are always wiggly
L127[05:44:19] <Althego> must be because of the cheese content
L128[05:44:43] <Black_Eagle> hmm, i'm right on target with that. deleted the solar panels, let's see.
L129[05:45:13] <Althego> one fat rocket
L130[05:47:39] <fakeTank2333> Ofr?
L131[05:47:47] <Althego> the ariane 5
L132[05:49:01] <fakeTank2333> The N1 was fat
L133[05:49:19] <Fluburtur> the ariane 5 is chubby
L134[05:49:21] <Fluburtur> it looks big
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L136[05:49:42] <Fluburtur> the f9 is the same size but looks smaller because no chubby
L137[05:49:49] <Althego> btw the fairing separation part in the video
L138[05:49:55] <Althego> you can see parallel crepuscular rays
L139[05:50:07] <Althego> conveniently ignored by flat earthers
L140[05:50:16] <Black_Eagle> nope, wasn't that. argh.
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L142[05:55:06] <fakeTank2333> You should read more into flat earth its real! Dont believe those rounders
L143[05:57:18] <fakeTank2333> Black_Eagle do you use far?
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L148[06:11:27] <APlayer> OK, I just watched that Ariane 5 launch
L149[06:11:33] <APlayer> I will not do this again
L150[06:12:10] <APlayer> The commentary feels like you're a middle school kid being "taught" something in a film
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L154[06:37:29] <fakeTank2333> Lol
L155[06:37:54] <fakeTank2333> No clapping for meco?
L156[06:38:23] * Arcan eat fakeTank2333
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L158[06:40:50] <Fluburtur> who do the two songs I have to play tonight finger killers
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L171[07:19:39] <fakeTank2333> Fluburtur because only a shredding guitar player is a good guitar player
L172[07:20:12] <Fluburtur> I play bass
L173[07:20:41] <Fluburtur> also it's funny how the 50 years old motocultor still runs better than modern stuff
L174[07:20:50] <Fluburtur> the quality of bernard motors
L175[07:23:36] <fakeTank2333> 2 stroke?
L176[07:23:48] <Fluburtur> no 4 stroke
L177[07:24:18] <Fluburtur> have a look at this super old video of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYw0gdq2xXw
L178[07:24:18] <kmath> YouTube - démarrage motoculteur moteur Bernard
L179[07:25:20] <Fluburtur> can hold a wonderful slow idle
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L183[07:39:26] <Fluburtur> k I should work for the visit cards for the rc club
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L185[07:42:52] <fakeTank2333> On or for?
L186[07:44:37] <fakeTank2333> You are always working on something, i find that amazing :)
L187[07:44:50] <Fluburtur> im doing nothing most of the time
L188[07:44:58] <Fluburtur> but I make it sound like im doing something
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L190[07:45:18] <fakeTank2333> Maybe
L191[07:45:20] <Fluburtur> for example I should have been making a video for my youtube channel since last week and I still haven't started
L192[07:45:53] <fakeTank2333> But you do make videos for your chanel
L193[07:46:10] <Fluburtur> yeah mostly out of spite
L194[07:46:25] <Fluburtur> I want my youtube money back so I need more subs
L195[07:46:26] <fakeTank2333> And working on bikes or planes or playing bass
L196[07:47:08] <fakeTank2333> Youtube money? Did you invest i. Somethi g?
L197[07:47:39] <Fluburtur> no but I almost reached the treshold for the first payment before I got demonetized
L198[07:48:19] <fakeTank2333> Well i have 2 viral videos with 400-600k views
L199[07:48:38] <fakeTank2333> Oh that suxcks
L200[07:48:53] <Fluburtur> im at like 66€ and the lowest at which they pay is 70
L201[07:49:17] <fakeTank2333> Also i think 1050 subs or so not sure why though
L202[07:49:30] <fakeTank2333> I see
L203[07:50:01] <fakeTank2333> I never real informed myself about adsense stuff
L204[07:51:01] <fakeTank2333> How long did that take you to get to 66 bucks?
L205[07:51:10] <Fluburtur> uh I need a slogan for the club
L206[07:51:15] <Fluburtur> uh about two years
L207[07:51:23] <Fluburtur> with one video doing most of the job
L208[07:51:35] <fakeTank2333> Ah okay
L209[07:52:07] <fakeTank2333> “RC is the way to be“
L210[07:52:52] <fakeTank2333> “Make RC great again“
L211[07:53:00] <fakeTank2333> Mrga
L212[07:53:15] <Fluburtur> I went with "fun, challenges, imagination"
L213[07:53:25] <Fluburtur> since that's kinda how it is really
L214[07:53:40] <Fluburtur> peoples were like "wow imagination" when I made the bottleboat
L215[07:53:56] <fakeTank2333> Hehe
L216[07:55:59] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/431799116310249472/carte_visite_club.jpg
L217[07:56:02] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/431799162221232138/carte_visite_verso.jpg
L218[07:56:07] <Fluburtur> what do you think?
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L221[08:01:02] <fakeTank2333> I like the logo on the first one, on the second one the Text clashes a bit with the plane maaybe make a white shadow around it?
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L223[08:01:15] <fakeTank2333> But the style works
L224[08:03:01] <fakeTank2333> Also it would look nicer if the youtube and fb icons would be the same size and are aligned vertically
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L227[08:08:09] <Althego> no no, make IRC great again :)
L228[08:09:00] <Arcan> Again?
L229[08:09:13] <Arcan> Since when was IRC not great?
L230[08:09:21] <Althego> hehe
L231[08:09:27] <Arcan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdrwazpZvAQ
L232[08:09:28] <kmath> YouTube - James Kennerley plays Widor's Toccata at Washington National Cathedral
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L234[08:11:03] <fakeTank2333> Make irc known again.
L235[08:12:26] <Technicalfool> Why use IRC when you can use Facebook? </sarcasm>
L236[08:12:44] <Arcan> at least IRC gets new users
L237[08:12:47] <Arcan> unlike facebook
L238[08:12:48] <Althego> because it doesnt sell my data?
L239[08:13:14] <Technicalfool> don't need to sell data when anybody with a glorified telnet client can scrape it. :>
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L241[08:14:15] <Althego> ok, for encyption you need to have everybody in the channel to be encrypted, that is probably not happening because of sheer lazyness
L242[08:14:21] <Technicalfool> hm, didn't someone have a bot in here once that plotted "social graphs" in the channel?
L243[08:14:32] <Althego> but still, it doesnt actively collect my phone calls for example
L244[08:14:53] <Technicalfool> well yes, and it's not like you need nickserv identification to just jump in and say hi.
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L246[08:15:01] <Technicalfool> (unless the channel demands it)
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L248[08:15:16] <Althego> even that just identifies the nick
L249[08:15:24] * Arcan demands Technicalfool
L250[08:15:44] <Technicalfool> don't make me +m the channel, boi :P
L251[08:16:38] <Arcan> I'm not a "boi".
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L254[08:16:47] <Althego> guardians of the galaxy?
L255[08:16:57] <Technicalfool> don't make me +m the channel, gurl. :P
L256[08:17:09] <Arcan> Technicalfool: I'm not female either.
L257[08:17:16] <Althego> thanos calls ronan boy
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L259[08:17:36] * Arcan is just insane
L260[08:17:47] <Althego> and you are missing a t
L261[08:17:54] <Althego> arctan :)
L262[08:19:21] <Technicalfool> now I'm peeking at chanserv out of curiosity. Can't actually see what flag or mode enables nickerved-users-only. Wondering if Esper's chanserv implementation even has that.
L263[08:23:12] <Arcan> it's +R
L264[08:23:24] <fakeTank2333> The last time i witnessed a +m i was part of the cause :)
L265[08:23:44] <Technicalfool> -ChanServ- +R - Enables use of the recover, sync and clear commands.
L266[08:23:44] <Arcan> and it's not part of chanserv
L267[08:23:52] <Arcan> it's part of charybdis
L268[08:23:57] <Althego> if you are not part of the solution you must be part of the precipitate
L269[08:23:57] <Technicalfool> overly_complex_shrug
L270[08:24:04] <Arcan> that's a user flag not a channel mode
L271[08:24:31] <Technicalfool> not like this channel will ever be restricted to nickerved-only anyway. Moderated in short bursts perhaps.
L272[08:24:41] <Technicalfool> also I can type, sometimes.
L273[08:25:13] <Arcan> So can I aha
L274[08:26:23] <Arcan> Technicalfool: it is either /mode #<channel> +R or +r
L275[08:26:34] <Arcan> on furnet it is +R but on espernet it might be +r
L276[08:26:46] <Arcan> espernet runs charybdis IRCd
L277[08:27:03] <Arcan> while furnet runs UnrealIRCd
L278[08:27:32] <fakeTank2333> Woot
L279[08:27:42] <Althego> furnet? is that some furry network?
L280[08:27:44] <fakeTank2333> Got to go o/
L281[08:27:49] <Arcan> Althego: yes what else would it be
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L283[08:28:05] <Arcan> it's a degenerate place but anthrochat is worse
L284[08:28:25] <Althego> dunno, network for furnace enthusiasts, steel, glass, ceramic workers
L285[08:28:33] <Technicalfool> here are far worse places. But, ahem, #kspo, PG rules, keep it clean eh? :P
L286[08:28:37] <Technicalfool> *there are
L287[08:28:57] <Arcan> Technicalfool: I am only on PG-13 channels
L288[08:29:18] <Althego> does it mean one swear word per hour?
L289[08:29:21] <Arcan> but i will comply
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L291[08:30:09] <Althego> in martian they had the opportunity to say sh... once, they used that up right in the beginning
L292[08:30:26] <Arcan> I don't know what freenode runs but I hate freenode so I don't care
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L294[08:30:51] <Arcan> on the other hand #archlinux-offtopic is on freenode
L295[08:31:31] <Technicalfool> Ah, DalNet, EFNet, QuakeNet... or fire up a server on a raspberry pi and make your own darned net.
L296[08:32:05] <Arcan> freenode runs "ircd-seven"
L297[08:32:30] <Arcan> or at least their Helsinki server does
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L299[08:38:35] <ve2dmn> morning
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L302[08:39:59] <ve2dmn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat#Networks
L303[08:40:09] <Althego> star
L304[08:40:30] <ve2dmn> I had the impression that Undernet was the oldest IRC network, but it seems I am wrong
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L306[08:46:48] <Fluburtur> I don't understand why some peoples "upgrade" from direct drive to bowden on their gaming pc
L307[08:47:01] <Fluburtur> you can print slightly faster but you lose a lot of quality
L308[08:47:01] <Arcan> I don't know what either of those mean!
L309[08:47:23] <Fluburtur> in 3d printers, the thing we call gaming PCs
L310[08:47:37] <Fluburtur> the extruder motor that pushes the plastic filament into the hot end
L311[08:48:00] <Fluburtur> either you have it very close to the hot end or you have it far and the plastic goes through a tube
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L313[08:48:10] <ve2dmn> They have been renamed 'gaming PCs' after the.... incident
L314[08:48:12] <Technicalfool> for most people, "gaming PC" means.. er.. a gaming PC?
L315[08:48:13] <Fluburtur> but the filament can flex and move a lot then
L316[08:48:22] <Japa> I had an ultimaker.
L317[08:48:25] <Japa> It was shit.
L318[08:48:37] <Althego> cant use that word
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L320[08:48:46] <Technicalfool> so you may need to translate from clique to english.
L321[08:49:00] <Japa> Repreap
L322[08:49:00] <Technicalfool> also yes, language :P
L323[08:49:00] <Althego> english, do yu speak it?!
L324[08:49:02] <ve2dmn> Technicalfool: you weren't there when... it.... happened
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L326[08:49:07] <Japa> er
L327[08:49:09] <Japa> Reprap
L328[08:49:16] <Japa> 3D printer.
L329[08:49:25] <ve2dmn> Japa: I had the original Makerbot Cupcake
L330[08:49:29] <Technicalfool> well I remember reprap being one of the very early "players" trying to make a machine that prints a machine.
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L332[08:49:35] <Japa> Yeah, bowden is pretty terrible, from what I've experienced with Ultimaker.
L333[08:49:37] <ve2dmn> Aside from a Z-axis issue, it ran fine
L334[08:49:57] <ve2dmn> (or was it Y-Axis?)
L335[08:50:04] <Fluburtur> Z is vertical
L336[08:50:12] <Fluburtur> Y is front-back
L337[08:50:16] <Arcan> Fluburtur: depends
L338[08:50:16] <ve2dmn> Z then
L339[08:50:23] <Technicalfool> now that just depends on who you ask :P
L340[08:50:29] <Arcan> there are y-up and z-up coordinate systems
L341[08:50:34] <Technicalfool> for a lot of people, Y to the sky.
L342[08:50:51] <Arcan> minecraft, for example, is Y-up
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L344[08:51:16] <Fluburtur> so that's a good way to confuse peoples then
L345[08:51:19] <Arcan> I prefer Z-up
L346[08:51:28] <Arcan> just say "vertical"
L347[08:51:30] <Althego> y up? who came up with this?
L348[08:51:35] <Japa> 3D printers are generally Z up
L349[08:51:39] <Arcan> Althego: you
L350[08:51:47] <Althego> not me
L351[08:51:51] <Althego> i would be z down :)
L352[08:51:51] <Japa> Althego, people who started with screens and added depth
L353[08:51:52] <Technicalfool> er, Y is the original, before someone came up with the brilliant idea of confusing people with Z-up.
L354[08:51:53] <Fluburtur> speaking of 3d printer, im currently printing 6 track links for my tank
L355[08:51:57] <Fluburtur> or at least a test
L356[08:52:06] <Technicalfool> hence in computer games it's called "Z fighting", not "Y fighting".
L357[08:52:21] <Technicalfool> and a Z buffer, not a Y buffer :P
L358[08:52:29] <Japa> If your default is lookind down, then Z up makes sense
L359[08:52:37] <Althego> oh in pc, it is ok. but in 3d printing...
L360[08:52:47] <Japa> If your default is looking sideways, like mario, then y up makes sense
L361[08:53:03] <Fluburtur> at least in cad software you can select the axis
L362[08:53:20] <Technicalfool> and that's before you get into whether positive Z means in or out.
L363[08:53:20] <ve2dmn> Technicalfool: unless you have Gimble lock.... then Y=Z :D
L364[08:53:22] <Japa> With printing, the default is flat, with Z adding height
L365[08:53:31] <Althego> gimbal
L366[08:53:49] <ve2dmn> Althego: yes gimbal
L367[08:54:13] <Japa> Question: Does setting too high of a temperature in a 3D printer cause jamming?
L368[08:54:23] <Technicalfool> it can cause burning?
L369[08:54:32] <Technicalfool> (which can cause jamming I guess)
L370[08:54:35] <Fluburtur> I guess it can if the filament burns inside the nozzle
L371[08:54:43] <Japa> Hm...
L372[08:54:45] <Technicalfool> or spluttering if the plastic boils.
L373[08:55:00] <Japa> Didn't have that high
L374[08:55:12] <Japa> but I would keep getting problems where the plastic got stuck
L375[08:55:25] <Japa> No idea why
L376[08:55:33] <Fluburtur> I think my hot end is a bit hotter than it think it is
L377[08:55:42] <Technicalfool> might even be not high enough, but I wouldn't know. You'd need to know what the optimum temp for your plastic is.
L378[08:55:45] <ve2dmn> Japa: model?
L379[08:55:47] <Fluburtur> so I set my printer to work at 200°c but I think it might actually be 210
L380[08:55:55] <Japa> ve2dmn, Ultimaker
L381[08:56:13] <Japa> Original one.
L382[08:56:20] <Technicalfool> also apparently DCM is a great solvent for cleaning that out, but some countries (*coff* UK *coff*) want to restrict DCM because it might be used for something nefarious.
L383[08:56:22] <Fluburtur> too cold maybe
L384[08:56:33] <Fluburtur> or one of those filaments with dust inside made to clog nozzlesw
L385[08:56:52] <ve2dmn> Japa: try looking up the optimal temp for your estruder
L386[08:57:03] <ve2dmn> extruder*
L387[08:57:47] <Japa> I don't have the printer anymore. Was borrowing from somebody else, gave it back after I couldn't get it to print reliably.
L388[08:58:17] <Japa> And decided if I ever get my own printer, it will be a Prusa model
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L390[09:02:43] <ve2dmn> I have not looked at 3d printers in over 5 years
L391[09:02:52] <Althego> there was some improvement
L392[09:03:35] <ve2dmn> since then Stereolithography became cheaper
L393[09:03:56] <Rokker> mmmmm https://imgur.com/QGxn5hD
L394[09:03:56] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/QGxn5hD.jpg
L395[09:04:05] <Rokker> wrong link
L396[09:04:15] <Rokker> https://i.redd.it/gs6iq8p9c8q01.jpg
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L399[09:05:24] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsmlKWuEIXc
L400[09:05:24] <kmath> YouTube - Funeral march for flat Earth
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L402[09:08:24] <ve2dmn> Althego: not gonna convince theflat earthers
L403[09:08:36] <Althego> nothing would
L404[09:08:40] <ve2dmn> sadly
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L406[09:11:14] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/02tGxwKwjN0
L407[09:11:14] <kmath> YouTube - Dunkirk dogfight but with Spiderman 2 Pizza theme
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L409[09:19:33] <APlayer> Althego: Nice video, but honestly, I don't think that's convincing
L410[09:19:43] <APlayer> (Seriously, that is)
L411[09:20:02] <APlayer> Because you can't just go and check all those locations yourself, you need to rely on data
L412[09:20:38] <APlayer> And Flat Earth Theory builds upon the false assumption that all the data they are provided, except the small bits they can gather themselves, is wrong
L413[09:20:52] <APlayer> Hence this animation would, too, be wrong
L414[09:21:02] <Althego> in a way you can. you have instant communication
L415[09:21:54] <ve2dmn> I would like to see how they explain day/night cycle
L416[09:22:03] <ve2dmn> Like... what model do they work with?
L417[09:22:03] <Fluburtur> uh for some reasont he cooling fan of my printer is almost not spinning
L418[09:22:03] <Althego> sun spotlight
L419[09:22:20] <Althego> they handwave the lack of sunsets and sunrises by "perspective"
L420[09:22:29] <APlayer> You need precise measurement equipment in multiple locations on the globe, which is a rare thing. This is not a good way to try to convince people who can hardly be convinced with things they can observe themselves
L421[09:22:52] <Fluburtur> how about we just send them all to space
L422[09:23:06] <Fluburtur> this way they will maybe learn and anyways they will die so we won't have to bother with them
L423[09:23:07] <Althego> "precise", like a protractor and a plumb line
L424[09:23:44] <APlayer> ve2dmn: AFAIK, the standard FET model is that light has a finite range and the sun travels close to the earth in a circle above the equator. But things, obviously, vary from one individual theory to another
L425[09:24:17] <APlayer> Fluburtur: If Flat Earthers were sent to space, I'd immediately drop all my illusions about the Earth being a globe
L426[09:24:37] <Althego> hah, you know what
L427[09:24:42] <Althego> i would say i am a flat earther
L428[09:24:44] <ve2dmn> it's an oblate spheroid, no?
L429[09:24:47] <Althego> so that they send me to space
L430[09:25:09] <APlayer> LOL, Althego, you basically paraphrased what I said
L431[09:25:19] <Althego> ah
L432[09:25:26] <Althego> i didnt understand what you meant by that
L433[09:26:14] <Fluburtur> I think I got a blister on my finger
L434[09:26:17] <Fluburtur> that is not good
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L436[09:26:19] <Althego> i have to say this... two days until elections and every youtube video has an election ad. i am going to go crazy. normally there is like 1 ad in 10 videos
L437[09:26:24] <Fluburtur> and I don't want to play bass with a pick
L438[09:26:38] <Fluburtur> Althego addblockers
L439[09:26:47] <Althego> theose block what they want
L440[09:26:54] <Althego> and i never cared about that
L441[09:27:00] <Althego> i just visually get rid of ads
L442[09:27:04] <Fluburtur> I have one built in my borwser
L443[09:27:20] <Fluburtur> that blocks about everything
L444[09:27:27] <Althego> but every youtube video having one ad in the beginning, which is exactly the same one, i hate that
L445[09:27:33] * APlayer detects the onset of a discussion on forbidden topics
L446[09:27:40] <Althego> not about politics
L447[09:27:43] <Althego> about annoying ad
L448[09:27:43] <Althego> s
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L450[09:28:05] <APlayer> Shush! I need an excuse to show everyone who's in charge here
L451[09:28:18] <Althego> yes, the nsa
L452[09:28:28] <APlayer> 1:0 for you
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L454[09:28:53] <Fluburtur> you did not know the famous day that was the premiere of the season 3 of mlp
L455[09:28:57] <Fluburtur> gak is back
L456[09:29:23] <Althego> also dont use a pick on a guitar, it would break it :)
L457[09:30:09] <APlayer> What would break what?
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L459[09:34:04] <Althego> a pick(axe) would break a guitar if you tried to use it to play the instrument (unlike a pick what he meant)
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L461[09:36:01] <ve2dmn> Althego: what I hate even more is getting a 60min infomercial video
L462[09:37:27] <APlayer> Imagine, you started a playlist of music videos and let them run in background. There is an occasional ad, but if you are distracted and working, it kind of goes by and you don't really notice.
L463[09:37:53] <APlayer> But then there are those ten minute ads. That's when you suddenly start wondering where the music went and why someone is talking in the background
L464[09:38:02] <Althego> hehehe
L465[09:38:06] <Althego> that is nasty
L466[09:38:25] <ve2dmn> I used to get a Ramco Equipment Corporation infomercial that was made in the 1980s directly uploade to youtube
L467[09:38:49] <APlayer> And then you spend half a minute or so of your time looking for the specific browser window and tab where the youtube playlist is, to skip the ad
L468[09:38:59] <ve2dmn> The video isn't there anymore, but it was something like 90minutes
L469[09:39:08] <Althego> luckily now you can see the small speaker icon
L470[09:39:32] <APlayer> Yeah, but you still have to find that
L471[09:39:37] <ve2dmn> imagine 90 minutes of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JltaO3cko8
L472[09:39:37] <kmath> YouTube - Precision Cleaning of Cast Iron Meeting High Cleanliness Specifications
L473[09:40:08] <Althego> haha i got an adception
L474[09:40:21] <Althego> heh there is not even music or narration
L475[09:40:34] <Fluburtur> I should probably change pants
L476[09:40:48] <Fluburtur> I have my building pants on and I should probabyl take my mmusic pants
L477[09:40:48] <ve2dmn> I once got an ad.... that was the video itself
L478[09:40:55] <Althego> with no sound and the usual factory synth music and a narrator it would be ok
L479[09:41:25] <Althego> with these it would be a how its made episode :)
L480[09:41:39] <Althego> plumbus :)
L481[09:42:06] <ve2dmn> APlayer: if you don't want to be interupted by ad, you find hour-long videos like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAgrHs_42qY
L482[09:42:07] <kmath> YouTube - zircon - 1 HOUR Atmospheric / Progressive Electronic Mix (Breaks, Chillout, DNB, Downtempo)
L483[09:42:33] <APlayer> Yeah, that's what I tend to
L484[09:42:49] <APlayer> Unfortunately, many still have ads mid-video
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L489[09:43:43] <APlayer> That was a quick one
L490[09:43:49] <Althego> just play your music from storage
L491[09:43:54] <APlayer> Lasted a full 8 seconds
L492[09:43:56] <Althego> hehe
L493[09:45:06] <ve2dmn> or most OCremix video aren't monetized (as far as I know)
L494[09:45:11] <ve2dmn> like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5nMWTR7wb0
L495[09:45:11] <kmath> YouTube - OC ReMix #2293: Mega Man 9 'The Skull Fortress' [Flash in the Dark (Wily Stage 1)] by Juan Medrano
L496[09:45:18] <APlayer> Yeah, I should set up myself something for music
L497[09:45:38] <APlayer> Currently put a 5 min video on loop, listening to it for the third day
L498[09:45:42] <APlayer> I should move on, LOL
L499[09:45:52] <Althego> somebody has set up us the bomb :)
L500[09:46:16] * APlayer gives Althego THE BOMB
L501[09:46:24] <Althego> for third of a day? i can listen to a loop for days
L502[09:46:33] <ve2dmn> All your bass?
L503[09:46:41] <APlayer> For the 3rd day.
L504[09:46:42] <Althego> however since no player supports true loops in the last 15 years, it is hard
L505[09:47:16] <Althego> because they all support playlists, what i almost neve want. so a single track on loop is a single element playlist with a tiny pause
L506[09:47:28] <Althego> all jump instructions are discarded
L507[09:47:36] <Althego> so all the looped mods are useless
L508[09:47:53] <APlayer> Who needs jump instructions when you can just copy the individual blocks in every possible combination
L509[09:47:57] <Althego> even perfectly seamless mp3s wouldnt work
L510[09:48:32] <Althego> maybe if i ran cubic player in dosbox, but that fails because of some strange reason
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L512[09:48:33] <ve2dmn> Althego: you want to go back to mod, s3m and Cubic Player?
L513[09:49:04] <Althego> back? it is not back, as i say i grieve the lack of loop supporting players
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L515[09:49:29] <APlayer> Hi there!
L516[09:50:24] <ve2dmn> https://m.xkcd.com/1977/
L517[09:51:15] <Althego> actually my tax papers required as much work as sending that message in the comic
L518[09:51:23] <Althego> it was literally login, check, confirm
L519[09:51:34] <ve2dmn> Althego: yeah... we are opt-in and not opt-out
L520[09:51:54] <ve2dmn> Which is insane if you ask me.... but that's a topic for another place and time
L521[09:51:56] <Althego> ok, this is from this year
L522[09:53:00] <APlayer> What I also like is when my music cleanly blends with a siren outside
L523[09:53:05] <Althego> previousy i had to find the newest versiopn of abevjava, download it, find the newest version of the form, download it. then fill in with the basic data, then fill in the 4 numbers i needed to, make the program check it, login, send
L524[09:54:02] <ve2dmn> APlayer: what kind of siren?
L525[09:54:21] <APlayer> The missile alert one
L526[09:54:24] <APlayer> No :P
L527[09:54:39] <APlayer> Ambulance and things
L528[09:55:19] <ve2dmn> it occured to me that I have never heard the warning siren on my phone's emergency messaging system
L529[09:55:35] <ve2dmn> while it's a probably a weekly thing for some people
L530[09:57:04] <ve2dmn> (AKA, nothing ever happens here)
L531[09:57:23] <ve2dmn> well... except winter
L532[09:58:37] <APlayer> Huh, I thought you guys in Canada have an emergency message if someone in the neighbourhood trips
L533[09:58:40] <APlayer> :P
L534[09:59:57] <APlayer> (Let me know if I get on your nerves with my Canada jokes)
L535[10:00:36] <marcus> I love how the stereotypical Canadian is just a really nice dude
L536[10:02:43] <APlayer> Not just a really nice dude, but a really nice dude drinking really nice amounts of maple syrup
L537[10:06:27] <Althego> the classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaiBZ1cC0XY
L538[10:06:28] <kmath> YouTube - Canadian Road Rage
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L540[10:08:17] <APlayer> Hahaha
L541[10:08:46] <APlayer> Note how the Russian link on the bottom translates to "witness.ru"
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L543[10:12:52] <Althego> btw the people on the first metro in montreal are not nice at all
L544[10:13:09] <Althego> i had to run to keep up with them going up the escalator
L545[10:13:18] <Althego> like a wild herd or something
L546[10:13:55] <Althego> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327477598378786817/431833630936137739/YDVXgoM.gif
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L566[10:50:12] <ve2dmn> Althego: The people on the first Metro are usually already late for work
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L568[10:55:14] <ve2dmn> Speaking of Metro, I'm finally getting a new Metro line extention I can use... 40 years too late :D
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L572[11:03:26] <Althego> i am never going to have a line come out here
L573[11:03:39] <Althego> at best the next line would start maybe in 30 years
L574[11:04:17] <Althego> so 10 years would go by just because of internal arguments, and maybe in 10 years when i am dead there would be one
L575[11:04:36] <marcus> Metro building is soooo slow though.
L576[11:04:52] <ve2dmn> Depends on the method, but yes
L577[11:05:03] <marcus> I'm really hoping for some kind of breakthrough in tunelling technology soon
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L579[11:05:22] <Althego> maybe the boring company :)
L580[11:05:26] <marcus> We're building a new main line through Oslo, will take 10 years.
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L582[11:05:59] <marcus> Luckily the tram and bus service is _great_.
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L585[11:07:08] <marcus> Kinda has to be, though. Oslo is pretty much inaccessible by car, and they're probably gonna make most of the city center a car free zone within the next 5 years.
L586[11:08:07] <APlayer> Heh, the buses where I live
L587[11:08:14] <ve2dmn> marcus: we have a much higher density, and it's still kind of hard to get anywhere
L588[11:08:33] <APlayer> Let's say the bus drivers have so far refrained from killing people
L589[11:09:31] <ve2dmn> as soon as you get outside downtown and a few other area, you need a car to do almost anything
L590[11:09:34] <APlayer> However, if you wait for the bus, you seriously risk that it will not take you and just drive by
L591[11:10:15] <Fluburtur> tonight
L592[11:10:19] <Fluburtur> I shall wear my rangers
L593[11:10:19] <marcus> ve2dmn: You pretty much need to entirely leave greater Oslo to be in an area with poor connections
L594[11:10:55] <ve2dmn> marcus: do you have a map of the transit system?
L595[11:12:27] <marcus> ve2dmn: bus: https://ruter.no/globalassets/rutetabeller/buss-oslo/linjekart/buss-oslo-linjekart-08042018.pdf
L596[11:12:36] <marcus> ve2dmn: tram: https://ruter.no/globalassets/rutetabeller/trikk/trikk-linjekart-11032018-inntil-videre.pdf
L597[11:12:44] <marcus> ve2dmn: metro: https://ruter.no/globalassets/rutetabeller/t-bane/t-banen-linjekart-03042016.pdf
L598[11:13:02] <APlayer> No tram here, a single semi-isolated line of rail goes to this place, bus service could be great in the city (but is not, for reasons), and is pretty poor if you want to visit a smaller town somewhere within the radius of 10 - 30 km (expect to wait for an hour or more)
L599[11:13:25] <ve2dmn> marcus: I think you have 3-4 times as many metro station as we have
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L601[11:14:37] <ve2dmn> ok, maybe not...
L602[11:14:41] <APlayer> Aforementioned reasons are absolute unreliability (lines can just disappear with or without reason), grumpy drivers, higher prices than anywhere else I saw, at least one strike a year
L603[11:15:03] <ve2dmn> The Montreal Metro is 68 stations
L604[11:15:17] <marcus> 101 in Oslo.
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L606[11:15:40] <marcus> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Oslo_t-bane.jpg
L607[11:15:41] <ve2dmn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Metro vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Metro
L608[11:16:11] <marcus> Wow, you have 350m passengers per year
L609[11:16:43] <ve2dmn> yeah...
L610[11:17:02] <Fluburtur> it's been a long time since I last used my rangers
L611[11:17:47] <ve2dmn> marcus: it's also 100% underground
L612[11:18:21] <ve2dmn> but it takes me 1h to get to work :/
L613[11:19:34] <ve2dmn> I like this image: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Metro#/media/File:Metro_Montreal_Evolution.gif
L614[11:20:02] <ve2dmn> A new station every few years from 1966 until 1988
L615[11:20:10] <ve2dmn> then... nothing for 20 years
L616[11:22:01] <ve2dmn> marcus: how much is the monthly pass?
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L620[11:32:43] <marcus> ve2dmn: hehehehehe
L621[11:33:13] <marcus> ve2dmn: 120 CAD
L622[11:35:21] <ve2dmn> per month?.... ok
L623[11:36:18] <ve2dmn> Is that Tram+bus+Metro?
L624[11:36:25] <marcus> +Train
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L626[11:36:46] <marcus> But keep in mind the median monthly salary in Norway is ~7000 CAD.
L627[11:37:29] <Althego> that reminds me, i still have to get a laser pointer to see if certain parts of canadian dollars really produce a projected leaf hologram
L628[11:37:49] <marcus> Althego: I love those kinds of details
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L631[11:40:41] <marcus> Althego: Take a look at our new passports: http://www.neue.no/pass/
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L634[11:45:37] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiDGYCOI4vM
L635[11:45:37] <kmath> YouTube - VSS Unity First Supersonic, Rocket-Powered Flight
L636[11:45:57] <Althego> at least put on some free music or something
L637[11:46:35] <Althego> but i feel that they are late to the game. they started long ago and havent progressed much, partly because of the deadly accidents
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L639[11:54:23] <marcus> I hope some competitors to spacex make it soon, though. As much as I love spacex, i'm afraid they'll kill all the competition.
L640[11:54:55] <Althego> virgin galactic is not a competitor, no orbital capability
L641[11:55:07] <Althego> maybe blue origin
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L644[12:01:35] <SnoopJeDi> competitors in what sense? i.e. does ULA count?
L645[12:01:44] <SnoopJeDi> (they're definitely not killing ULA)
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L652[12:17:21] <ve2dmn> http://blog.humblebundle.com/post/172660922499/kerbal-space-program-dead-rising-4-and-ruiner
L653[12:17:43] <ve2dmn> KSP is in next month Humble Monthly
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L683[13:27:27] <kubi> hola
L684[13:28:09] <Arcan> hi kubi
L685[13:29:10] <ve2dmn> Holà
L686[13:33:17] * Arcan dies
L687[13:34:16] <ve2dmn> I wonder what the numbers for KSP will look like in May
L688[13:34:27] <Althego> numbers?
L689[13:34:32] <ve2dmn> I, for one, will probably give away my extra key
L690[13:34:36] <ve2dmn> KSP is in next month Humble Monthly
L691[13:36:21] <Arcan> that might convince me to actually finally buy it instead of just playing it when i'm at a friends house who has it
L692[13:37:19] <kubi> is there any mod that can edit SRB thrust?
L693[13:37:35] <ve2dmn> Vanilla?
L694[13:37:37] <kubi> maybe edit a curve in the VAB
L695[13:37:41] <Althego> you can change the config :)
L696[13:37:48] <kubi> any SRB
L697[13:38:00] <kubi> nah, would be nice to have an in-game curve editor
L698[13:38:16] <kubi> like this
L699[13:38:17] <kubi> https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/2jwc28/mod_idea_solid_fuel_thrust_profiles/
L700[13:39:20] <ve2dmn> but then, math would be hard
L701[13:39:28] <kubi> sure
L702[13:39:36] <kubi> math is hard
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L704[13:47:01] <Draconiator> I got KSP when it was 0.9.0
L705[13:47:04] <Draconiator> er
L706[13:47:06] <Draconiator> 0.90
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L715[13:56:13] <ve2dmn> https://steamdb.info/app/220200/graphs/
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L728[14:21:33] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/a74c77e381b0286676c7351543d5af6a.png - Testing a glider. Seperatrons are there because you can't really "throw" a glider or tow it or something...
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L731[14:26:06] <Gasher> eh, it looks heavy
L732[14:28:09] <Althego> i usually use a detachable solid booster
L733[14:28:18] <Althego> for this kind of testing
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L740[14:55:13] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/c220c3b6f4203cd0da3053d3b6da6d6d.png - Glider has evolved into Gliderner! lolimweird
L741[14:56:03] <KrazyKrl> Gilder, Glida, Glidaga
L742[14:56:33] <Supercheese> Glidagaon
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L746[15:01:23] <RogueGod> How do you get science? Sorry if it's stupid, I'm a bit new to KSP
L747[15:02:11] <KrazyKrl> Activate science experiments, get arbitrary science points.
L748[15:02:17] <SnoopJeDi> by doing "research" of various forms https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Science
L749[15:02:34] <SnoopJeDi> Scott Manley has some really good "how to get science" videos
L750[15:02:35] <RogueGod> Thanks! I really appriceate it
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L752[15:02:57] <RogueGod> Scott Manley, Reaserch, Science experiments, Arbitrary
L753[15:03:55] <KrazyKrl> well, you harvest science data via science parts which you activate in a biome.
L754[15:04:03] <KrazyKrl> then you turn the science data in for science points.
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L756[15:04:21] <ve2dmn> starting with the launch pad
L757[15:04:34] <KrazyKrl> surface sample from SPH roof.
L758[15:04:51] <ve2dmn> KrazyKrl: I use a mod for that...
L759[15:05:13] <ve2dmn> ...it send 'interns' around KSC to collect the science
L760[15:06:02] <KrazyKrl> it's illegal to have unpaid interns doing profitable work.
L761[15:07:05] <ve2dmn> tell that to the KEI - Kerbin Environmental Institute mod... I'm not the one handling the contract details
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L764[15:24:25] <ve2dmn> https://twitter.com/tmobileat/status/981418339653300224
L765[15:24:25] <kmath> <✔tmobileat> @c_pellegrino @PWTooStrong @Telekom_hilft Hello Claudia! The customer service agents see the first four characters… https://t.co/ptOIRbZRIT
L766[15:24:34] <ve2dmn> I facepalmed
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L769[15:33:09] <UmbralRaptor> ve2dmn: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
L770[15:33:23] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptor: what? you use T-mbile?
L771[15:33:43] <UmbralRaptor> Yes.
L772[15:34:05] <UmbralRaptor> Fortunately, I don't use that password anywhere else.
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L774[15:35:14] <ve2dmn> clearly the poor Twitter employee didn't understand security
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L787[16:23:03] <Draconiator> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ofQV33q0Bo
L788[16:23:04] <kmath> YouTube - I Bought A $39 Laptop From Amazon...
L789[16:26:04] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: that is an Asus EEEPc rebranded
L790[16:30:00] <ve2dmn> It looks almost identical, only the connectors are different (HDMI instead of VGA)
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L826[18:57:51] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
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L832[19:32:38] <Draconiator> I think I have an idea for a solar powered Duna glider. noticed that planes DO work despite the thin atmosphere, they just need to be in the air constantly.
L833[19:34:24] <Supernovy> Unlike regular planes, which hardly have to be in the air at all.
L834[19:34:59] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really understand that sentence either
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L836[19:35:35] <Eddi|zuHause> maybe something along the lines of "they can fly, but not take off"?
L837[19:35:53] <Eddi|zuHause> which doesn't really make sense
L838[19:38:24] <ve2dmn> Btw, expect more people in a month
L839[19:38:58] <ve2dmn> http://blog.humblebundle.com/post/172660922499/kerbal-space-program-dead-rising-4-and-ruiner
L840[19:41:15] <Supernovy> Kerbal Space, Program: Dead, and Rising 4 And Ruiner.
L841[19:41:22] <UmbralRaptor> <00:00:00> Guest1024 has joined
L842[19:41:46] <UmbralRaptor> [00:00:00] <Guest1024> hello
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L844[19:42:13] <UmbralRaptor> etc etc
L845[19:44:49] <ve2dmn> pretty much
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L851[19:57:44] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/f63e344235c91080e406801420e94c05.png
L852[20:02:38] <Supercheese> 0.o
L853[20:10:14] <Draconiator> and it DOES work on Duna but it's really sluggish even at 100m/s
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L859[20:39:13] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/9c6a781da31c3bebdab2327c328d370a.png
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L895[22:42:17] <Jennifer> Been off KSP for far too long. Can anyone help me get MechJeb back into it?
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L901[23:24:00] <Draconiator> https://www.amazon.com/Z83-W-Fanless-PC-x5-Z8350-Graphics/dp/B01N3RO6X5/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1523074996&sr=8-3&keywords=Small+PC - I don't know how this can be fanless.
L902[23:30:23] <Althego> it gets hot :)
L903[23:31:02] <Althego> my home server is more powerful, but that has a metal case that cools it, plastic just retains the air inside
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L905[23:36:59] <KrazyKrl> isn't atom practically an ARM cpu with a TDP of like 10 watts?
L906[23:37:49] <Althego> but didnt atom die out?
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L908[23:39:55] <KrazyKrl> well... that amazon page is at least a few years old.
L909[23:40:06] <Althego> but anyway atom used to be an in order architecture, but still x86
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