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L16[01:27:13] <Althego> *ryugu
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L28[02:10:45] <Spheniscine> I have a kinda
stupid question
L29[02:10:59] <Althego> more boosters
:)
L30[02:11:07] <Spheniscine> I am having big
trouble landing on Tellumo in 2.5x
L31[02:11:31] <Spheniscine> When I get down
to the final aerobrake pass I get runaway g-forces and the craft
flips out
L32[02:11:36] <Spheniscine> Then it
dies
L33[02:11:59] <Spheniscine> I'm not exactly
sure what to to lol
L34[02:13:01] <Spheniscine> Maybe I'll
experiment with an aeroshell :V
L35[02:15:38] <Althego> i dont even know
what tellumo is lol
L36[02:15:48] <Spheniscine> Oh Galileo's
Planet Pack
L37[02:16:13] <Althego> but if you are
slowing down to fast, try acceleratiing with rockets :9
L38[02:16:52] <Spheniscine> The nuclear
engines + all the dv's method? :P
L39[02:17:28] <Spheniscine> I think I'll
need about 4 km/s at least
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L43[02:18:47] <Spheniscine> Eh, basically
that planet's Eve on steroids, but takes the form of a beautiful
wintry super-terra
L44[02:19:18] <Althego> so you have to be
really aerodynamic to avoid g forces problems
L45[02:19:33] <Spheniscine> I just want to
land on it, not even take off again
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L48[02:28:35] <KrazyKrl> just use a few
pairs of chutes.
L49[02:28:56] <Spheniscine> Problem happens
too high for chutes
L50[02:29:55] <Spheniscine> Unless maybe I
use that ballute mod but then controlling where it lands would be
an issue
L51[02:30:07] <Spheniscine> Cause it's
gotta be on land, not water
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L53[02:31:30] <KrazyKrl> pairs of chutes,
just pair of chutes.
L54[02:32:15] <Spheniscine> Drogue chutes?
I have to bleed off over 6 km/s of speed
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L56[02:38:55] <KrazyKrl>
lithobreaking.
L57[02:39:02] <Spheniscine> lol
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L59[02:39:18] <Spheniscine> That atmo might
as well be rock right now
L60[02:39:28] <Spheniscine> The problem is
that it's rather shallow
L61[02:39:44] <Spheniscine> About half the
height of Kerbin's but 10 times as thick
L62[02:39:52] <Althego> you can always do a
complete stop and then descend :)
L63[02:40:29] <KrazyKrl> Yea... that just
sounds like a broken atmo.
L64[02:40:52] <Spheniscine> It's evil
lol
L65[02:45:43] <Spheniscine> But I guess
it's "realistic" since the surface g is 1.9
L66[02:45:56] <Spheniscine> There was that
mod that compressed Eve's atmo
L67[02:46:06] <Spheniscine> And expanded
Duna's
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L71[02:49:08] <KrazyKrl> Well, the gasses
should be compressed due to the weight of the gasses above them...
which means regardless of the force of gravity; the density of the
atmo should only depend on the composition and volume above the
CoG.
L72[02:49:38] <Spheniscine> Well if gravity
is higher then the weight is more right?
L73[02:50:24] <KrazyKrl> yes, but that just
means the atmosphere is deeper.
L74[02:50:51] <Spheniscine> Real life Mars
atmo does extend out quite a ways though
L75[02:51:24] <KrazyKrl> yep, because the
lower gravity and compressability of the atmospheric fluid.
L76[02:51:40] <Spheniscine> Hm
L77[02:51:50] <Spheniscine> But anyway I'm
not the one who made the mod
L78[02:52:09] <KrazyKrl> you still reach a
point where the atmosphere doesn't have enough weight above it to
reasonably compress.
L79[02:52:43] <KrazyKrl> and 1.9 Gs doesn't
sound like enough to get into weirder states of matter.
L80[02:53:22] <Spheniscine> lol If we're
getting into that I don't think KSP is capable of simulating it
anymore
L81[02:53:39] <Spheniscine> Should just
auto-destroy the craft like on gas giants
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L122[06:29:51] <Japa> Whoever said you
don't need all the ablator may have cost me this mission.
L123[06:29:53] <Japa> Humph.
L124[06:30:49] <Althego> hehe
L125[06:30:54] <Fluburtur> it depends what
you do
L126[06:30:57] <Althego> most of the time
you dont need all the ablator
L127[06:31:16] <Althego> if you want a
direct capture from jool, maybe you need most if it
L128[06:33:18] <Gasher[work]> yeah usually
heatshields hold even without it
L129[06:34:58] <Japa> Yeah, we got
safely.
L130[06:35:02] <Fluburtur> oh great
youtube broke
L131[06:35:09] <Japa> With lots of
tumbling
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L133[06:38:03] <Fluburtur> I should try to
bring my endurance plane back to life
L134[06:38:06] <Japa> Had 100 ablator in
front of a passenger crew module which had no heat resistance ata
all.
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L139[07:14:43] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur:
again?!
L140[07:16:16] <Fluburtur> listen it's the
first time I revive this one
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L142[07:16:31] <Fluburtur> unlike the
cardboard clipper that I had to revive like 5 times
L143[07:16:42] <BadRocketsCo> Howdy!
L144[07:17:11] <BadRocketsCo> Zup
Fluburtur?
L145[07:19:42] <Fluburtur> doing
stuff
L146[07:19:50] <Fluburtur> installing
lights on a plane for night flying
L147[07:21:41] <Althego> and infra cam
too?
L148[07:22:18] <Fluburtur> nah
L149[07:22:28] <Fluburtur> I think the
camera on it already has good low light video
L150[07:22:36] <Fluburtur> and I won't be
flying fpv during the night anyways
L152[07:24:01] <Gasher[work]> left is red,
right is green
L153[07:24:30] <Althego> back is
white
L154[07:24:44] <Althego> and we didnt even
get into the anti collision light and other strobes
L155[07:24:46] <taniwha> not quite, port
is red, starboard is green
L156[07:25:06] <Fluburtur> no
L157[07:25:09] <Fluburtur> everything is
blue
L158[07:25:14] <Althego> lol
L159[07:25:23] <Gasher[work]> taniwha,
well its hard for aircraft to fly backwards
L160[07:25:24] <Fluburtur> anyways it is
shaped like and arrow and there is only lights on the bottom
L161[07:25:32] <Althego> for some
aircraft
L162[07:25:37] <taniwha> Gasher[work]:
easy to face backwards on an aircraft, though
L163[07:25:42] <Althego> some other
aircraft are doing fine
L164[07:25:54] <Gasher[work]> eeh
L165[07:25:57] <Gasher[work]> ah
right
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L168[07:31:45] <Fluburtur> I had a
internet cut
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L170[07:36:37] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: I was
talking about the Youtube breaking :)
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L173[07:48:08] <ve2dmn> Airplanes
standards are just Boat standards VASTLY extended
L175[08:01:35] <Althego> balloons?
L176[08:02:06] <Fluburtur> read
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L181[08:24:19] <Fluburtur> so I might get
a job as a glass blower fo thermometers and crap like that
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L187[08:43:47] <kmath> YouTube - Making
Wintergatan Olive Oil
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L201[09:03:44] <Fluburtur> yo dedd
dude
L202[09:04:13] <Deddly> Yo Flub
L204[09:05:07] <Deddly> LOL nice!
L205[09:05:20] <Fluburtur> will make for
some nice night flying
L206[09:05:21] <Deddly> Time for some
night tests?
L207[09:05:26] <Fluburtur> I can make it
blink too
L208[09:05:31] <Deddly> You'll get some
UFO sightings in your area
L209[09:05:33] <Fluburtur> but weather
isn't nice just yet
L210[09:05:44] <Fluburtur> eh I won't fly
it very high or far
L211[09:05:52] <Deddly> You just need
spotlight pointing straight down
L212[09:06:11] <Fluburtur> I have the 5w
LED lamp I use for my videos
L213[09:06:21] <Fluburtur> I call it
"the sun in a box" for a reason
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L215[09:10:38] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: I want
to strangle him. He should be building the MMX and not making olive
oil. :D
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L217[09:15:31] <Fluburtur> crap smoke on
the water is so hard to play on bass
L218[09:15:35] <kubi> hola
L219[09:16:21] <ve2dmn> Mat2ch: everyone
needs some time off sometimes
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L222[09:19:21] <Mat2ch> ve2dmn: and he
deserves it :)
L223[09:19:27] <Mat2ch> also I wanna move
to Lyon now.
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L233[09:44:41] <bees> Fluburtur:
troll
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L252[09:58:28] <kmath>
<Marco_Langbroek> (1/5) ⏎ Remember @TheHumanityStar, and how
its builders @RocketLab claimed it would be visible for 9 months?
While in…
https://t.co/6Wt9fwy1Ia
L253[09:59:05] <Fluburtur> time to try
making tank tracks and wheels in CAD
L254[09:59:52] <Althego> many people hated
humanity star because it was light pollution
L255[09:59:57] <Althego> very bright
blinking stinhfg
L256[10:00:12] <Fluburtur> "oh no a
little light in the night sky"
L257[10:00:20] <Fluburtur> time to call
the ISS light pollution too
L258[10:00:36] <Althego> it was quite
bright if you wanted to do some astronomy
L259[10:00:48] <Fluburtur> it was the
point
L260[10:00:52] <Fluburtur> so peoples
could see it
L261[10:01:05] <Mat2ch> Fun fact: They
didn't model anything. They just looked at other objects and said:
An object in this orbit stays there for around 9 month.
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L263[10:15:57] <Althego> that is in a way
better than modelling, it is real data colletion
L264[10:17:45] <Althego> but the object in
question may have been different from normal satellites and behaved
differently
L265[10:18:15] <Mat2ch> it was much much
lighter
L266[10:18:16] <Althego> still, the
electron rocket is cool
L267[10:18:43] <Althego> so basically
empty inside, so an empty shell that has high drag for its
mass
L268[10:19:47] <Mat2ch> yep
L269[10:20:05] <Mat2ch> high drag, low
mass, get's down early.
L271[10:26:17] <Althego> what, now you are
building a tracked plane?
L272[10:26:23] <Fluburtur> a tank
L273[10:26:28] <Fluburtur> I want to make
a ripsaw
L274[10:26:44] <Fluburtur> but I did
create a "tank" folder in my "planes"
folder
L276[10:26:52] <Althego> hehe
L277[10:26:54] <Althego> plane tank
L278[10:27:31] <Althego> minding robots?
havent you people learned anything from descent?
L279[10:28:12] <UmbralRaptor> You can stop
them with 1 guy in a Pyro-GX?
L280[10:28:55] <Althego> only one guy
suffers. who cares, meh
L281[10:29:46] <Althego> and the hostages,
but those are flat anyway :9
L283[10:34:15] <UmbralRaptor> Come to
think of it, what happened to the hostages after you
"rescued" them?
L284[10:34:27] <Althego> and why were they
5 m tall?
L285[10:35:10] <Althego> it is the same
question as what happened to the empty flasks in the original
prince of persia after you drank from them
L286[10:35:37] <Althego> he doesnt throw
them away, they just vanish. maybe puts them in his pockets, but so
many?
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L288[10:44:16] <Fluburtur> now, how can I
make a drive gear for those tracks
L289[10:44:48] <Fluburtur> I guess if I
put some sort of half circle over the track and corresponding
grooves in the drive gear it can catch on those
L290[10:44:54] <Fluburtur> with a hole for
the drive pins
L292[10:53:15] <Fluburtur> uh I need to
find how to scale the drive wheel for the tracks
L293[10:56:34] <Fluburtur> I think I can
do that with some parametric stuff
L294[10:57:03] <Althego> wintergatan olive
oil?
L295[10:57:12] <Fluburtur> yes
L296[10:57:51] <Althego> at least make it
apricot jam or something. i cant eat that
L297[10:57:59] <Althego> i cant eat olive
oil
L298[10:58:18] <Fluburtur> be nice to him
he has never seen an olive before coming to france
L299[10:58:32] <Althego> i have and it is
not my thing
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L301[10:59:27] <APlayer> I find olive oil
to be rather nice in salads
L303[11:00:24] <Althego> ah yes good old
times
L304[11:00:41] <Althego> when computers
were shaped correctly
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L309[11:04:28] <APlayer> As for
Wintergatan, I was wondering... In his marble machine video, what
is this part at about 1:50 to 2:20 when he stops it and starts
playing by hand?
L310[11:04:34] <APlayer> What happens
there?
L311[11:04:50] <Fluburtur> the
vibraphone?
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L313[11:05:21] <Althego> on the
left?
L314[11:05:43] <Althego> that is the part
that makes the vibrato effect. and since the machine is not
running, he has to drive it manually
L315[11:05:51] <APlayer> I guess?
L316[11:06:05] <Althego> and he had to
stop it to play something not on the wheel
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L318[11:10:15] <APlayer> Ah, got it
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L335[12:21:36] <kmath> YouTube - NASA
Psyche Mission: Journey to a Metal World
L336[12:21:48] <Althego> end of 2025...
these people have patience
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L338[12:23:57] *
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L339[12:24:18] <Althego> that was a flyby
because they couldnt wait even more :)
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L343[12:30:52] <Mat2ch> I'm going to catch
it and mine the everything out of it! :D
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L345[12:33:13] <Althego> that is an other
company
L346[12:33:20] <Althego> they intend to
mine asteropids with lasers
L347[12:33:38] <Althego> aha the sound of
strip miners. how long has it been that i last heard them
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L349[12:34:05] <Mat2ch> shooting lasers on
an asteroid to melt stuff and then collect the molten stuff?
L350[12:34:23] <Althego> yes
L351[12:35:57] <Mat2ch> I'm not
convinced.
L352[12:36:27] <Althego> maybe they are
one of these scam companies like mars one
L354[12:37:11] <kmath> YouTube - Tour of
Planetary Resources with CEO Chris Lewicki
L355[12:39:22] <ve2dmn> didn't Gravity
Probe B take 30 years to manifacture?
L356[12:39:43] <Althego> there was
something with a very smooth ball that took quite a long time
L357[12:41:33] <Mat2ch> hm, those powder
3d printers need some kind of gravity to work
L358[12:41:51] <Mat2ch> But refining
metals in space and 3d printing stuff sounds neat
L359[12:42:29] <Mat2ch> still we need some
better way of moving through space than gravity assists and
burning/ejecting stuff :|
L360[12:42:34] <ve2dmn> Mat2ch: Make
papwerclips from asteroids?
L361[12:42:37] <Mat2ch> (what's the EM
drive doing? ;)
L362[12:42:45] <Mat2ch> ve2dmn: ah,
finally someone with culture. :D
L363[12:42:48] <Althego> unless you make a
warp drive you need to eject stuff
L364[12:42:53] <Althego> or maybe photon
drive
L365[12:47:33] <ve2dmn> Mat2ch: the
paperclip maximizer is not THAT obscure
L367[12:48:24] <kmath> UmbralRaptor: I'll
let scolar_visari know when I see them
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L369[12:51:21] <Althego> that is also
nice, because the ship can remain light
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L373[13:04:30] <ve2dmn> Imagine if you
could directly use the Sun as a source of the beam
L374[13:06:31] <Althego> solar sail
L375[13:06:42] <Althego> actually
works
L376[13:06:47] <ve2dmn> yup
L378[13:08:20] <Althego> hehe die from
twilight
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L381[13:15:20] <APlayer> Still one of my
favourite xkcd quotes: "You would just stop being biology and
start being physics."
L382[13:15:34] <Althego> hehe
L383[13:15:38] <Althego> we are always
physics
L384[13:16:08] <Althego> unless you think
biology is supernatural
L386[13:21:04] <APlayer> "You
wouldn't die instantly—you might survive for a few milliseconds or
even seconds. That might not seem like much, but compared to the
speed at which you'd die in other What If articles involving
relativistic speeds, it's pretty long."
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L391[13:35:46] <Fluburtur> I still need to
make myself a 3d printed potato gun
L392[13:36:03] <APlayer> A nuclear
one?
L393[13:36:20] <Fluburtur> nah I don't
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L395[13:45:43] <Draconiator> My brother
has one. I think he said the range on that thing is like...half a
mile
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L397[13:46:11] *
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L398[13:47:28] <Althego> that is
impressive
L399[13:48:28] <Draconiator> that's 0.8KM
for Flub
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L401[13:48:53] <Fluburtur> I wanted to
make one with a 4 meters barrel made to shoot spark plugs above
400kph
L402[13:49:18] <Fluburtur> because im sure
a spark plug at that speed is an actual armor piercing
projectile
L403[13:49:30] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: I would
be scared of the thing blowing up in my face
L404[13:49:52] <Fluburtur> shhhh
L405[13:50:02] <Althego> not shh, ssh
:)
L406[13:50:41] <ve2dmn> And I should
mention that xkcd's 'what-if' is the ultimate Nerd Snipping
L407[13:50:55] <Althego> i am immune
L408[13:50:58] <Althego> they are too
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L410[13:51:06] <Althego> so i gave up on
reading them
L411[13:51:29] <ve2dmn> You don't know
what you are missing.... literally
L412[13:51:50] <Althego> i read the first
some of them
L413[13:52:00] <Althego> i like them
L414[13:52:07] <Althego> but it is a
matter of optimization
L415[13:52:25] <ve2dmn> I can do a TL;DR
of most: "Boom!"
L416[13:52:48] <ve2dmn> or black hole...
whichever comes first
L417[13:53:02] <oren> ve2dmn: I still
think he's completely worng about burning things with
moonlight
L418[13:53:22] <NomalRaptor> "This
is, by far, the most destructive What-If scenario to
date."
L419[13:53:55] <oren> because the moon is
not a black body emitter. it's reflecting light from the sun
L420[13:54:09] <APlayer> Althego: Random
quote to make you read xkcd: "The flash of light and heat
would be so bright that if you were standing at the surface of the
Sun, it would be brighter above you than below."
L421[13:54:17] <Althego> i read the
comicsa
L422[13:54:24] <Althego> i have been doing
so for more than a decade
L423[13:54:35] <APlayer> What-if xkcd, I
mean
L424[13:54:42] <Althego> no time for
that
L426[13:54:54] <ve2dmn> I like the comic
that said 'The sun (actual scale)'
L427[13:55:09] <APlayer> oren: I was
wondering about that too
L428[13:55:32] <APlayer> It does not
satisfy my question of why the Moon is not considered as part of an
"optical device"
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L430[14:00:28] <oren> APlayer: it is also
wrong about the temperature on the surface of the moon. the moon's
equator in broad daylight is 116 celsius which is more than enough
to kill Buzz Aldrin
L431[14:00:48] <oren> he was wearing a
thermal protectiv garment for a fucking reason
L432[14:01:16] <APlayer> Sorry, but please
mind your language
L433[14:01:33] <Althego> also had an
active cooling system
L434[14:01:40] <oren> it's like wrong in
four different ways
L435[14:01:55] <Althego> where the amount
of sublimating ice was the real limiting factor of the moonwalks,
not the amount of oxygen they had
L436[14:02:03] <APlayer> But let's say the
116 deg C thing is nitpicking
L437[14:02:28] <APlayer> The point of the
article lies somewhere else
L438[14:02:58] <APlayer> It tries to
illustrate that the moon is not hot enough to start fires (under
normal fire starting conditions, at least)
L439[14:03:51] <oren> but the moon's light
is not equal to its black body temperature (citation: rocks at 116
do not glow white)
L440[14:04:27] <APlayer> Well, that's
where things start getting interesting to me
L441[14:04:58] <APlayer> Why is the Moon
not considered a mirror in the same optical system that should
focus light onto a point and start a fire?
L442[14:05:08] <APlayer> considered to be
a mirror*
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L445[14:06:37] <oren> I think randall is
just wrong
L446[14:07:00] <APlayer> Not sure
L447[14:07:26] <APlayer> The beginning of
the article explicitly says "It involves a lot of arguments
that sound wrong but aren't, and generally takes you down a rabbit
hole of optics."
L448[14:08:45] <APlayer> And Randall sure
is a pretty smart guy with lots of readers who would point out such
blatant mistakes in his facts
L449[14:09:04] <APlayer> There must be
something we are missing
L451[14:10:06] <oren> nah, people are
calling him wrong on hsi won forums
L453[14:11:23] <ve2dmn> I could start a
fire WITHOUT moonlight :D
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L457[14:13:59] <tawny> oren, "The
Moon's sunlit surface is a little over 100°C, so you can't focus
moonlight to make something hotter than about 100°C. That's too
cold to set most things on fire."
L458[14:14:13] <tawny> he does say that
about the temperature on the moon
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L461[14:17:10] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: that
Hardware ECC recovered is a bit high.... otherwise it looks
fine
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L464[14:19:45] <tawny> I feel like there's
an easier approach to this problem
L465[14:20:00] <ve2dmn> The practical
one?
L466[14:20:21] <tawny> well, you *could*
build a giant lens and see if you can set things on fire with the
moon
L467[14:20:50] <ve2dmn> That how Oxygen
was discovered... (except with sunlight)
L469[14:21:57] <tawny> but I think you can
just measure the moon's apparent brightness and figure out how much
energy you're getting from it; shouldn't that tell you whether you
have enough incident energy to start fires without even worrying
about the exact properties of the moon?
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L472[14:26:26] <ve2dmn> And I should
(again) mention that xkcd's 'what-if' is the ultimate Nerd
Snipping
L473[14:27:16] <tawny> haha
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L479[14:36:52] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Wild Visari used TAIL WHIP!
L481[14:38:13] *
Scolar_Visari curses Nature's paywall.
L482[14:39:41] <ve2dmn> Black hole swarm,
won't you come...
L483[14:40:02] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Sadly, they're affected with SLEEP.
L484[14:40:23] <Scolar_Visari> But for
some new work that doesn't have a paywall restriction, I present to
you Han et. freaking al., "OGLE-2017-BLG-0482Lb: A
Microlensing Super-Earth Orbiting a Low-mass Host Star" Earth
and Planetary Astrophysics 2018
https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.10830
L485[14:44:51] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: I
was reference an old song from 25 years old
L486[14:44:51] <Scolar_Visari> Because
formatting scientific notations is a pain in the final end of the
digestive tract, I'll paraphrase this article: Observed planet with
unreasonably long name measures in at around 9 Earth masses (!) and
orbits a star with around 1/5th the mass of the Sun.
L487[14:46:39] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: I
was actually thinking of Ron Ormond's, "If Footmen Tire You,
What Will Horses Do", as it ends with a one Estus Pirkle
quasi-rhetorically asking the audience, "Won't you come?"
multiple times in a perturbing manner.
L489[14:46:55] <kmath> YouTube -
Soundgarden - Black Hole Sun
L490[14:47:23] <Scolar_Visari> I'm not
sure the stellar mass black holes would be welcome at his
congregation.
L492[14:47:34] <kmath> YouTube - Carpenter
Brut - Leather Teeth [Full Album]
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L494[14:48:46] <ve2dmn> That song is old
enough to have kids... I suddenly feel old 0_0
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L496[14:48:53] *
Scolar_Visari ponders why a frequent PhysOrg tro- I mean, ah,
"contributor" would classify Callisto as a rocky
planet.
L497[14:49:32] <Scolar_Visari> It's, like,
the least rocky satellite of the Galileans.
L498[14:50:09] <Scolar_Visari> It is, to
make a comparison, to the other moons as smooth Jazz is to rock and
roll.
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L500[14:54:31] <Scolar_Visari> Also:
Callisto's pretty convenient as a first step to Jupiter because it
sits comfortably outside those Van Allen Death Belts.
L501[14:56:36] <ve2dmn> So you are saying
it's a small jump from the Van Halen belt?
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L506[15:03:21] <FltAdmVonSpiz> anyone
remember that proposal to use rotating tethers to disperse the Van
Allen belts
L507[15:03:31] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I propose
that on a huge scale for Jupiter in my Science Fiction
L508[15:03:36] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
It's actually closer to the Megadeth Belts.
L509[15:04:01] <FltAdmVonSpiz> then again
the only use i can think of for Io in that setting is a weapons
range, because the craters refill themselves!
L510[15:04:19] <Scolar_Visari>
FltAdmVonSpiz: Desaturating Jupiter's radiation belts would be . .
. problematic. Amusingly, they do have the potential for use as an
orbital energy source.
L511[15:04:36] <FltAdmVonSpiz> yeah
L512[15:04:40] <Scolar_Visari> Also: Io's
volcanism should result in the surfacing of nifty materials not
found in particularly high abundances elsewhere beyond Earth.
L513[15:04:41] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I saw a
proposal to turn them into a laser
L514[15:04:54] <FltAdmVonSpiz> but i just
wanted the belts gone
L515[15:07:08] <FltAdmVonSpiz> also
thought about putting a solar sail into the belt
L516[15:07:12] <FltAdmVonSpiz> just to
impinge electrons
L517[15:07:37] <Scolar_Visari> I think a
magsail would be more appropriate?
L518[15:07:49] *
Scolar_Visari ponders harvesting electrons for resale.
L519[15:08:53] <Scolar_Visari> Io's high
abundance of sulfur would be excellent for lots of chemical stuff,
though safely acquiring it off the surface of super-Mordor would be
problematic.
L520[15:10:30] *
Scolar_Visari recalls Sean Connery also having to deal with corrupt
corporations on Io.
L522[15:13:11] <Scolar_Visari> Neutral
particle beam + laser beam = anti-capital ship weapon.
L523[15:13:29] <APlayer> God, save me from
NASA acronyms
L524[15:13:50] <mrcus> backronyms?
L525[15:14:27] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: He
can't hear you. He doesn't use IRC.
L526[15:15:19] <mrcus> Scolar_Visari:
Which is strange. If I were God, I'd have my own channels and
everything.
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L528[15:15:25] <mrcus> And a
talkshow.
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L530[15:16:06] <mrcus> No more of this
"I guess you'll have to take people's word for my
existance"-stuff. I'd be doing miracles from 9-5 and then some
more during prime time.
L531[15:16:23] *
Scolar_Visari ponders the channel rules.
L532[15:16:34] <mrcus> Oops
L533[15:17:09] <mrcus> Only rockets in
here, gotcha. I really have to sit down and read the rules more
thoroughly, I can't seem to stop breaking them.
L534[15:17:28] <ve2dmn> nah... you can
talk about other things
L535[15:17:36] <Scolar_Visari> My
understanding of Section 2, subsection 2 is that religious posts
related to spaceflight, however, are still permissable.
L536[15:17:40] <ve2dmn> Like, where to
find a good pocket watch online
L537[15:17:40] <Lyneira> Well pondering
one's activities as a hypothetical omnipotent being might not break
channel rules
L538[15:17:56] <Scolar_Visari> Lyneira:
Shhhh, the OPs . . . They are always watching.
L539[15:17:56] <mrcus> I'd have my talk
show on a rocket
L540[15:18:16] *
Scolar_Visari was actually thinking of, rather sheepishly, Vatican
approval of SETI.
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L542[15:18:32] <Draconiator> hmmm nope, No
longer can load the operating system on the other old drive.Maybe
I'll just format it and clone my current drive.
L543[15:18:34] <Scolar_Visari> But going
into that would likely get me banished to wherever Zod &
company went.
L544[15:18:57] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: run
drive recovery or do a low level foramt
L545[15:19:09] *
APlayer keeps watching and listening intently
L546[15:19:24] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
Truly you are a kind, gracious and all-powerful OP.
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L548[15:19:41] <Lyneira> Otherwise we
wouldn't be able to even discuss the Black & White games and
other such "god-games"
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L550[15:19:57] <Scolar_Visari> Hah.
"Roleplay, e.g. acting as a Kerbal, creating fictional
organizational hierarchy amongst users and/or interactions of
fictitious entities of an oppositional nature;"
L551[15:20:39] <Scolar_Visari> Lyneira:
You actually can't discuss them. Black & White 2 was that
bad.
L552[15:20:48] <mrcus> I, for one, welcome
our new channel overlords
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L555[15:21:21] <APlayer> Aww, I was hoping
Lyneira would stay off-channel, so everyone would think I banned
them
L556[15:21:27] <APlayer> No, not really
:P
L557[15:22:05] <mrcus> Oh, you aren't
ignoring joins and parts? :O
L558[15:22:25] <Lyneira> Router d/c'd, not
sure if any of my messages even arrived
L559[15:22:28] *
Scolar_Visari seriously wonders if championing the emdrive would be
against the rules banning the promotion of, "Content with no
proof of concept or factual basis (e.g. "free energy"
machines)".
L560[15:23:10] <APlayer> But I think we
should introduce daily random ban events (RBEs). Every day, one
lucky individual would be granted the lottery prize of one (1)
ban
L561[15:23:25] <mrcus> :thonking:
L562[15:23:26] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
You could arguably just do that on Purge Day.
L563[15:23:32] <Fluburtur> if I vote for
will I be immune?
L564[15:24:26] <APlayer> Fluburtur: Yes,
you should do that! If you vote in the next two days, your vote
will only cost 5$, which is a 95% discount!
L565[15:24:47] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
Think about it this way, though: The odds are greatly in favor of
banning the perma-idlers.
L566[15:24:48] *
APlayer turns off trash-talk mode
L567[15:25:54] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: It
is fun, however, now being able to look at the ban list!
L568[15:26:14] <APlayer> But I remember
the EM Drive being mentioned. Anyone followed what it was doing
recently?
L569[15:26:26] <APlayer> Scolar_Visari:
What do you mean?
L570[15:27:13] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
Esper's changed their web-hosted app, and you can actually look at
channel ban lists. Being IRC Illiterate, I did not know how to do
that before (if it was possible).
L571[15:27:29] <mrcus> /bans
L572[15:27:34] <mrcus> usually works
L573[15:27:56] <Mimiru> /mode +b works as
well
L574[15:28:09] <mrcus> lol at all these
vhosts that have been banned
L575[15:29:05] *
Scolar_Visari recognizes a few.
L576[15:32:01] <Lyneira> I think the only
way to be sure about the EMDrive within a reasonable time frame is
to just test the damn thing on a cubesat or the ISS
L577[15:32:34] <APlayer> ^
L578[15:33:00] <Scolar_Visari> Lyneira:
the problem with testing it in space is that it opens up a lot more
room for error bars, particularly since one of the predicted
sources of error is acting off the Earth's magnetic field.
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L580[15:33:15] <mrcus> Scolar_Visari: well
just test it on LOP-G
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L582[15:33:20] <mrcus> /s
L583[15:33:21] <Mat2ch> Scolar_Visari:
then let it drive itself out of it. :D
L584[15:33:22] <ve2dmn> then it's
useless?
L585[15:33:30] <Scolar_Visari> As it
stands, the only conclusive test on the matter also demonstrated no
thrust at all.
L586[15:33:56] <APlayer> Well, any
on-earth test would be in the same magnetic field...
L587[15:34:45] <Scolar_Visari> There are
supposedly ways to eliminate that from the tests, though as it
stands, EagleWorks in particular isn't good on the whole
methodology part.
L588[15:35:05] <Lyneira> Sigh, ISP is
messing around this evening
L589[15:35:05] *
Scolar_Visari glares at the, "lab's" inability or
unwillingness to quantify sources of error.
L590[15:35:51] <APlayer> How would you
eliminate the magnetic field on earth? Except if you put the whole
experiment setup into a giant solid block of superconductor, which
kind of defeats the point
L591[15:35:58] <Scolar_Visari> But
Raptor's mention of the neutral particle beam/laser beam propulsion
system is something that's a lot cooler, since it has some real
science behind it and could generate some extraordinary velocity
changes within a human's lifetime!
L592[15:36:23] *
APlayer sends reinforcement troops to Lyneira
L593[15:36:28] <Lyneira> Anyway, the whole
thing is just a proverbial tin can so send it up in a cubesat and
let it do its thing, then we'll know soon enough
L594[15:36:32] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
You don't eliminate outright so much as quantify how much it would
contribute, which Eagleworks has not done.
L595[15:37:04] <Scolar_Visari> Thermal
expansion of parts within the setup seem to contribute to the
perceived thrust more than any factor.
L596[15:37:34] <APlayer> Well, really, how
much does such an EM drive + systems weigh?
L597[15:37:37] <Scolar_Visari> This is why
the Chinese paper on the emdrive was swiftly retracted by the team
which published it.
L598[15:37:44] <APlayer> 5 kg in
miniature?
L599[15:37:58] <APlayer> Launch one, it
costs less than all the experiment setups they made
L600[15:38:51] <APlayer> If it provides
thrust at least in earth's magnetic field, that's already
something
L601[15:39:07] <Scolar_Visari> Well,
there'd be better ways of utilizing the Earth's magnetic fielding
than a copper cone.
L602[15:39:16] <APlayer> If it can push
itself out and fly beyond the magnetic field, gotcha
L603[15:39:31] <APlayer> If it can't,
there we go
L604[15:40:18] <Scolar_Visari> To be
absolutely frank: I'm rather positive Eagleworks could not design a
competent setup for a cubesat test if their sloppiness on Earth is
any indication.
L605[15:40:38] <APlayer> Hand it over to a
different subcontractor
L606[15:40:46] <Lyneira> If measurable
thrust in a space experiment is produced, you can easily determine
how much that thrust is coupled to earth's magnetic field strength
too by going to different altitudes
L607[15:41:08] <Scolar_Visari> They'd
probably be able to demonstrate a lack of thrust in a standard
vacuum chamber test, which is why no one has really approached the
alleged propulsion system for some time now.
L608[15:41:44] *
Scolar_Visari notes, again, the only other peer reviewed work was
retracted based on new accounting for thermal
expansion.
L609[15:42:26] <APlayer> I mean, really, I
want answers on that, even if they show me that it doesn't work
:P
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L611[15:42:57] <Scolar_Visari> Eaglework's
own paper should not have made it past peer review at all.
L612[15:45:58] <Scolar_Visari> I actually
think a lot of the confusion over whether or not it still works is
because journalists starting confusing Chinese electric propulsion
tests with emdrive tests, particularly in the case of Tiangong
2.
L613[15:47:48] <ve2dmn> What do Eaglework
do for a living?
L614[15:48:05] <mrcus> ugh, installed a
new irrsi theme and I have to reconfigure all my shit
L615[15:48:15] <mrcus> irssi*
L616[15:48:32] <ve2dmn> *cough*
L617[15:48:48] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: I
think it's a part-time thing, really.
L618[15:48:51] <mrcus> Awwshrt not
again
L619[15:48:56] <mrcus> all my stuff
L620[15:49:04] <Scolar_Visari> They're not
officially run by NASA, they just sort of pay rent.
L621[15:49:22] <mrcus> Does anyone have a
script that allows me to self-censor?
L622[15:50:47] <Scolar_Visari> There
should be, if I'm not mistaken, some sort of central control system
in your physiology that should allow you to review text before
submission.
L623[15:50:50] <Scolar_Visari> Unless
you're a bot, of course.
L624[15:51:38] <mrcus> busted
L625[15:52:04] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
White, who is one of the two or three figures of Eagleworks, has
sort of slided into quantum woo with his explanations of the
emdrive and, rather alarmingly, conventional electric
propulsion.
L626[15:52:43] <ve2dmn> It's powered by
the secret?
L627[15:53:47] <Scolar_Visari> Yes. You
simply have to believe!
L628[15:53:54] <Scolar_Visari> It's not
propelling you because you don't want it to!
L629[15:55:32] <ve2dmn> so...hum... who
pays Eagleworks' bills?
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L631[15:57:22] <Scolar_Visari> I think
they use their own money.
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L633[15:58:47] <Scolar_Visari> It would be
rather distressing if NASA's paying them, as the emdrive issue is
hardly the only one they're involved in.
L634[15:59:21] <ve2dmn> I was more
imagining trying to raise funding for their ideas
L635[16:00:38] <Scolar_Visari> The problem
is their ideas have questionable merit even with funding.
L636[16:01:39] <Scolar_Visari> That's not
going to fix system errors they could've accounted for but refused
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Interferometer.
L639[16:03:31] *
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does not result in bursts of lethal radiation. Only bursts of
less-lethal radiation with a non-cancerous tumor
guarantee.
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L645[16:25:11] <mrcus> Ahhh, I'm this
|<-->| close to getting my perfect mod list set up on
1.4.2
L646[16:25:52] <APlayer> I don't think mod
list perfection is a thing that can be measured in a single
dimension
L647[16:27:21] <mrcus> Just missing
Kerbalism, which has a strange bug with SSPXr
L648[16:27:45] <mrcus> The patch file
literally crashes the entire game on load.
L649[16:27:58] <APlayer> Which file?
L650[16:28:10] <APlayer> Could you link it
on GitHub?
L651[16:29:06] <mrcus> PM?
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L656[16:46:07] <Draconiator> Does anyone
know if the Pentium 4 supports 64 bit?
L657[16:47:04] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I doubt
it
L658[16:47:30] <FltAdmVonSpiz> apparently
some were towards the end of production
L659[16:47:45] <FltAdmVonSpiz> remember
INtel originally didn't want to use x86-64 - that was an AMD thing,
Intel was pushing Itanium at the time
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L665[16:50:45] <Mimiru> 5x1 prescotts
should have Intel64
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L669[16:58:46] <Draconiator> so 32 it
is.
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L671[17:04:15] <NomalRaptor> Later and/or
higher end P4s did.
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L673[17:05:57] <mrcus> Planning to run KSP
on a P4?
L674[17:06:42] <UmbralRaptor> Guess what
my primary machine was from 0.8.4 through 0.13.x
L675[17:06:54] <mrcus> Guessing a P4
L676[17:07:04] <UmbralRaptor> Yep.
L677[17:08:10] <mrcus> well that's only 4
years after they went out of production
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L679[17:15:19] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
L680[17:22:24] <mrcus> All your base are
belong to us.
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L684[17:35:03] <mrcus> Oh, it's "how
are you gentlemen !!"
L685[17:35:06] <mrcus> sorry
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L689[17:40:22] <ve2dmn> Although All your
base is one of the oldest
L690[17:40:40] <ve2dmn> It was back during
the days of Zombocom and the hamster dance
L691[17:41:05] <mrcus> Really blows my
mind
L692[17:41:14] <mrcus> Keyboard cat is a
vintage meme now
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L694[17:41:50] <ve2dmn> mrcus: well, I
reference 'black hole sun' earlier and realised that it was
released 25 years ago...
L695[17:42:34] <ve2dmn> The half-life of a
meme is much smaller
L696[17:46:25] <mrcus> I wonder if there's
any proper research on meme half-lifes
L698[17:47:07] <kmath> YouTube - [PF]
eXtra Large by vossi84
L699[17:47:46] <mrcus> or ?? half-life
memes
L700[17:48:42] <ve2dmn> well...
considering I saw someone says : "Skyrim is lame... they added
the whole 'arrow to the knee joke'" when the joke ORIGINATED
in skyrim tells you a lot...
L701[17:49:06] <ve2dmn> ...about either
how late skyrim got ported to that platform or how fast meme die
off
L702[17:53:32] <ConductingCat> Taking an
arrow to the knee is an old reference to getting married.
L703[17:54:15] <ConductingCat> Since you
kneel down to propose.
L704[17:54:27] <Supercheese> wait
what
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L714[18:11:33] <ve2dmn> according to
google Trends, it had a half-life of about 6 months
L715[18:12:00] <ve2dmn> mrcus: so you have
your answer: Googles trends on KnowYourMemes.com
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clever.
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