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L4[00:05:36] <ElliottK> Cooling is a
pain...
L5[00:06:07] <ElliottK> Could be the MKS
parts, but it doesn't ever seem to work for me
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L8[00:09:22] <ElliottK> It seems like the
only thing that works is fixing the part files
L9[00:14:12] <ElliottK> Nope, that didn't
work either.
L10[00:14:27] <ElliottK> Can anyone explain
how it's supposed to work?
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L15[01:05:29] <TheKosmonaut> ;seen
badrocketsco
L16[01:05:30] <kmath> TheKosmonaut:
badrocketsco (badrocketsco!~badrocket@58-36-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee)
was last seen quitting in somewhere at 2018-03-17 14:38:16
+0000
L17[01:05:49] <Althego> that is a long
time
L18[01:06:29] <TheKosmonaut> I have an
Estonian flag on my counter at work
L19[01:06:34] <TheKosmonaut> He'd be
happy
L20[01:07:00] <Gasher[work]> magic
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L22[01:07:47] <BadRocketsCo> You have
summoned me!
L23[01:07:55] <Althego> haha
L24[01:08:08] <Althego> you have your
spies
L25[01:08:26] <BadRocketsCo> Yup :D
L26[01:08:30] <BadRocketsCo> What's
up?
L27[01:08:44] <Althego> tiangong-1 is down
:)
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L30[01:11:44] <BadMobileRockets> Dumb
connection :(
L31[01:11:58] <Althego> non mobile rockets
are not really useful
L32[01:13:15] <Gasher[work]> as i said,
magic :)
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L35[01:17:52] <Althego> spacex in 14 hours.
sadly no landing and it will be too late for me to watch
L36[01:18:40] <TheKosmonaut> Hmm. The topic
is still upside down
L37[01:18:53] <TheKosmonaut> I don't have
the original. I hope Deddly fixes it
L38[01:19:06] <TheKosmonaut> I still say we
should have become the Orbiter official IRC channel
L39[01:25:35] <lpg> rules link doesn't
work
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L41[01:25:37] <BadMobileRockets>
TheKosmonaut: oh, hahah, nice.
L42[01:25:44] <BadMobileRockets>
TheKosmonaut: WE ARE TAKING OVER!
L43[01:26:18] <Althego> no rule in place
saying one channel can be official for one thing
L44[01:28:12] <Gasher[work]> lol i have
only now noticed the topic
L45[01:28:49] <Gasher[work]>
BadMobileRockets, you know what do these three colors mean?
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L47[01:29:32] <BenjaminK> Is KSP running
.NET 3.5 or 4.6?
L48[01:30:22] <BadMobileRockets>
Gasher[work]: blue is sky, black is dirt and white was the hope and
dreams of estonian people
L49[01:30:27] <BadMobileRockets> Or
something along the lines
L50[01:30:30] <Gasher[work]> not
really
L51[01:31:26] <Gasher[work]> blue is the
sky where the planes of soviet occupants fly, black is the ground
which soviet occupants thread and white are snow of siberia where
those who say that would soon see
L52[01:31:52] <BadMobileRockets> Hahah
:D
L53[01:34:07] *
TheKosmonaut Soviet anthem intensifies
L54[01:34:27] <Althego> isnt it the tune of
the current russian one?
L55[01:36:43] <BadMobileRockets> Everything
is the tune of the soviet anthem if you listen hard enough,
komrade
L56[01:37:03] <Gasher[work]> Althego, yeah
same tune and like third or fourth lyrics
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L59[01:46:25] <kuzetsa> hmm those URLs no
longer work
L61[01:47:29] <Althego> lol
L62[01:48:38] <kuzetsa> in 5.2 hours, the
date will be Monday, April 2 in every timezone on earth
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L64[01:48:50] <kuzetsa> we're already most
of the way there
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L73[02:54:00] <TheKosmonaut> Gasher[work]:
somehow the green color casting makes it even more depressingly
Soviet
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L75[03:05:09] <kubi> morning
L76[03:07:44] <Althego> star
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L78[03:23:04] <Gasher[work]> TheKosmonaut,
lol. my phone takes some time to adjust to lighting in there
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L82[04:15:14] <Althego> well, what do you
know, mk1-2 was rebalanced when it became mk1-3. instead of 4.12 t
it is 2.72. more reasonable
L83[04:19:26] <Althego> that was one of my
big issues with its balance, it was heavier than the 4 person
cockpit which was better in every sense (except symmetry)
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L98[05:46:15] <Althego> finally
L99[05:46:38] <Althego> is it just me or
the 5m fairing really has gaps
L100[05:46:51] <Althego> looks like it
should have 8 petals but it has only 6
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L102[05:50:54] <Ezko> Althego: yes
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L104[05:51:27] <Althego> the perfect non
answer
L105[05:51:35] <Ezko> yes
L106[05:52:01] <Mat2ch> Are there any
videos of the reentry of tiangong 1 yet?
L107[05:52:14] <Althego> there is one fake
:)
L108[05:52:27] <Althego> fell into the
pacific ocean, nobody was thre
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L110[05:53:23] <Ezko> a friend of mine was
but he couldn't be bothered with filming
L112[05:55:48] <Althego> haha so the
fairing is actually too big lol
L113[05:56:19] <Althego> at least they can
fix this with the expansion only, no need to pupset modders
L114[05:57:05] <Mat2ch> The 5 m fairing is
also in the base game
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L118[05:57:53] <kmath> YouTube - Adorable
Baby Dik-Dik Antelope Is Only 19cm Tall: ZooBorns
L120[06:00:44] <Althego> some microsopic
animals are weird too
L121[06:01:29] <Fluburtur> a lot of stuff
is weird
L123[06:03:22] <Althego> hehe
L124[06:03:34] <Althego> who needs landing
legs anyway
L125[06:04:08] <Mat2ch> yeah. Nobody. I
can land on the engines just fine. :D
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L130[06:10:58] <Althego> still looks like
a valve
L131[06:11:05] <Fluburtur> why
L133[06:12:18] <Fluburtur> I guess
L134[06:12:28] <Fluburtur> this plane is
named valvewheel now
L135[06:15:02] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: what is
it?
L136[06:15:13] <Fluburtur> landing gear
for my plane
L137[06:15:37] <Mat2ch> That's a huge tire
then
L138[06:15:47] <Fluburtur> it's a bush
plane
L139[06:15:57] <Fluburtur> made to work in
grass and gravel and stuff
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L148[07:51:48] <APlayer> Hello
everyone!
L149[07:57:29] <Deddly> Alrighty there
APlayer
L150[07:58:18] <APlayer> Uh oh
L151[07:58:22] <APlayer> Now he's on
me
L152[07:59:54] <APlayer> So, I was on
skiing vacation. Now I am back. :-)
L153[08:00:53] <RhineBTV> Hello, also,
it's snowing
L154[08:01:01] <RhineBTV> It's april 2nd
and it's snowing
L155[08:01:37] <RhineBTV> Trying to work
out how to do this scansat probe
L156[08:02:29] <APlayer> RhineBTV: No need
for SCANsat probes, because the surface is not visible anyway. I
mean, it's snowing
L157[08:02:45] <Althego> precipitation in
ksp when
L158[08:02:57] <RhineBTV> you get that in
KSP2
L159[08:03:10] <RhineBTV> I downloaded
ProbesPlus, and it's not bad, but I'm not sold on it
L160[08:03:13] <Althego> oh and i want my
jet sounds back
L161[08:03:28] <RhineBTV> Pretty sure you
can just port over the old ones
L162[08:03:39] <RhineBTV> Remember
elsewhere people discussing it and someone did that
L163[08:04:36] <APlayer> ProbesPlus is
cool, but IMHO it crowds the parts list too much
L164[08:05:49] <Fluburtur> looks like I
haven't used much power in my 8 minutes flight the other day
L165[08:05:55] <Fluburtur> will be going
for 15 today
L166[08:06:12] <Althego> what are you,
iron man? :)
L167[08:07:21] <Fluburtur> not yet
L168[08:07:25] <Fluburtur> more like foam
man
L169[08:07:43] <Althego> at least build a
foam balloon or something
L170[08:08:02] <Althego> if a flat earther
can build a working rocket, you can do better
L171[08:08:24] <APlayer> LOL
L172[08:08:29] <Fluburtur> I have a rocket
engine test planned for later today actually
L173[08:08:31] <APlayer>
"working" rocket
L174[08:08:44] <Althego> it flew several
hundred meters up
L175[08:08:53] <APlayer> More like
worksploding rocket
L176[08:09:16] <Althego> not that it
wouldnt be simpler to just get some airplane
L177[08:09:24] <RhineBTV> Yeah, I'm gonna
be trimming a lot of parts out of ProbesPlus
L178[08:09:28] <Fluburtur> also screws
keep falling from my gaming pc so I should invest in some nylstop
nuts
L179[08:09:39] <RhineBTV> It'll take a
bit, but meh, I've done it so often for so many mods that I'm
pretty quick at it
L180[08:10:02] <APlayer> "screws keep
falling from my (rocket)" - Jebediah, probably
L181[08:10:20] <Althego> hehe
L182[08:10:24] <RhineBTV> I wanna try
coming up with something using these bus parts as like an end cap
and maybe using an interstage fairing to enclose it during launch
or something
L183[08:10:38] <APlayer> RhineBTV: There
is a mod for that, it allows you to hide parts in-game
L184[08:10:40] <RhineBTV> I've got this
other service bay I added tweakscale to, from stock station parts
redux or w/e
L185[08:10:46] <Althego> there was a mod
with super cheap parts, made of cardboard and stuff
L186[08:10:58] <RhineBTV> Yeah, I've got
janitor's closet, but I just toss stuff into a different
folder
L187[08:11:00] <APlayer> Or even hard
remove them on next KSP launch, if you want to speed up your KSP
loading
L188[08:11:06] <RhineBTV> Yeah, I just
move em
L189[08:11:46] <APlayer> Janitor's Closet,
yes, that was it. IIRC it allows you to fully block parts from
loading
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L191[08:12:13] <APlayer> And you could
manually delete them from that folder if you really want
L192[08:12:47] <APlayer> TIL I missed two
KSP releases during my vacation
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L211[09:58:03] <Althego> hehe
L212[09:58:07] <Althego> now you can throw
it away
L213[09:59:03] <ve2dmn> it missed the
Satelitte graveyard
L214[10:00:45] <Althego> too far
north
L215[10:03:36] <Deddly> I have a fairly
decent internet (especially upload) capacity these days. Is there
anything useful I can do with it?
L216[10:04:37] <ve2dmn> Host a multiplayer
game of some sort
L217[10:04:49] <ve2dmn> like a permanent
Minecraft game for friends
L218[10:05:00] <TheKosmonaut> Host a
Minecraft server and become a god
L219[10:05:05] <Deddly> Hmm
L220[10:05:13] <ve2dmn> Or a Long-play
game of freeciv (please!)
L221[10:05:19] <Deddly> Not a bad
idea
L222[10:05:34] <TheKosmonaut> I mean, you
have forum power, IRC power, the only thing left is Minecraft power
for ultimate internet lordship
L223[10:05:38] <Deddly> I hadn't
considered making a game server
L224[10:06:05] <ve2dmn> For the
uninitiated, a Long-play game of freeciv is one where you have 1
move per 24h... (unless everyone has already moved)
L225[10:07:02] <Deddly> I used to play
freeciv. I don't think I ever finished a game
L226[10:07:13] <ve2dmn> same...
L227[10:07:24] <ve2dmn> I never finished a
game of simcity either
L228[10:07:49] <ve2dmn> Or Openttd
L229[10:07:56] <ve2dmn> or Outpost1
L230[10:08:07] <Deddly> I had one game
with max number of players in the smallest map (one player vs AI)
and I got totally smothered, but they left my capital city and
never took it
L231[10:08:27] <Althego> i finished some
games in simcity 2000 when the map was full
L232[10:08:29] <Deddly> So all I could do
was end turn, end turn, end turn
L233[10:08:49] <Deddly> Is it even
possible to finish sim city?
L234[10:09:11] <ve2dmn> Depends... it's
your own goal, so...
L235[10:09:28] <ve2dmn> Simcity2000 had
the 'Arco' sort of victory screen
L236[10:09:55] <Deddly> I think I'd have
dig out my old computer to run a Freeciv server, otherwise there
would be too much downtime
L237[10:10:12] <ve2dmn> Where the
space-age Arco would go 'My planet needs me'
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L240[10:12:31] <Althego> hehe
L241[10:13:41] <ve2dmn> well... I have the
day off, so... Time to put Queen at max volume and clean up the
house
L242[10:14:17] <Fluburtur> no
L243[10:14:20] <Fluburtur> don't
clean
L244[10:14:22] <Fluburtur> dance
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L246[10:14:50] <Ircghost> Hi all
L247[10:15:11] <ve2dmn> Hello
L248[10:15:12] <Mod9000> Hello,
ve2dmn
L249[10:15:13] <Deddly> Hi Ircghost
L250[10:15:20] <Deddly> Hello, ve2dmn
;)
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L253[10:15:50] <Ircghost> Did KSP become
more difficult in the last couple of builds?
L254[10:16:01] <Althego> not really
L255[10:16:02] <ve2dmn> Define
difficult
L256[10:16:05] <UmbralRaptop> ^
L257[10:16:06] <Deddly> Hmm. More
difficult in which aspect?
L259[10:16:25] <Althego> no big changes
since the atmosphere, which was long time ago
L260[10:16:29] <Althego> like 1.1 or
soemthing
L261[10:16:38] <Ircghost> Yeah, I might
have stopped somewhere around 1
L262[10:17:00] <Althego> it is in fact
easier to achieve orbit with the non soup atmosphere
L263[10:17:04] <ve2dmn> well... the
changes you are talking about are from more then a year ago
L264[10:17:17] <Ircghost> Hmm, I might
just suck more than I remember haha
L265[10:17:28] <Ircghost> Does anyone have
a good guide they can recommend?
L266[10:17:39] <APlayer> Ircghost: We'll
gladly help you :-)
L267[10:17:53] <Ircghost> That's
appreciated!
L268[10:18:07] <APlayer> Red5, who used to
hang out here and does not anymore, taught me back then how to get
to orbit properly
L269[10:18:27] <Althego> start turning
shortly after launch, continue turning smoothly with around 45 deg
after 10 km, until you reach 40 km where you should be almost
horizontal
L270[10:18:42] <ve2dmn> What version was
the Soup-a-sphere again?
L271[10:18:53] <Deddly> ve2dmn, up to
0.90
L272[10:19:12] <Althego> i think there
were some extensive engien changes around that time
L273[10:19:18] <APlayer> Basically boils
down to "Launch vertically, at 100 m/s turn eastward by 10
deg, keep at prograde and slightly adjust to reach 45 deg by 10 km
altitude"
L274[10:19:25] <ve2dmn> so 1st May,
2015
L275[10:20:04] <ve2dmn> Ircghost: I have
1700h in KSP and I still suck at it :D
L276[10:20:12] <Ircghost> haha!
L277[10:20:39] <ve2dmn> But my launches
are now automated with kOS and my own code
L278[10:20:45] <Ircghost> Aplayer, that's
basically what I'm doing / following from above video. Although he
is talking about being at 45 degrees at 15k
L279[10:21:04] <Deddly> Ircghost, as you
can see from the answers you have received so far, there is no
single "right" way of doing it. It all depends on the
craft you have built. But the basic idea is always the same: start
turning early and gradually continue turning so you're going mostly
sideways by the time you get high in the atmosphere.
L280[10:21:37] <Deddly> Ircghost, also,
turn in the right direction - East
L281[10:21:51] <Althego> the exact shape
of the optimal ascent trajectory depends on your drag and twr
L282[10:21:56] <Althego> it is just a
general guidline
L283[10:22:16] <Althego> but the flatter
you go, the less gravity losses will you have, so you have to
balance that with drag losses
L284[10:22:29] <Althego> generally in the
current atmosphere gravity losses are worse than drag losses
L286[10:22:57] <Althego> hehe
L287[10:23:02] <Althego> exactly
L288[10:23:29] <Deddly> Ircghost, so what
exactly happens when you try that?
L290[10:23:30] <kmath> YouTube - Kerbal
Space Program - Career Mode Guide For Beginners - Part 1
L291[10:23:35] <Fluburtur> back from
flying
L292[10:23:42] <Fluburtur> did 15 minutes
as planned
L293[10:23:52] <Ircghost> I run out short
of fuel at my AP burn
L294[10:24:03] <APlayer> How much dV do
you bring?
L295[10:24:06] <Ircghost> I have too
little to do a full burn, about 6 seconds to little. Let alone get
down again
L297[10:24:20] <kmath> YouTube - Guide to
Kerbal Space Program...for Complete Beginners! - Part 4
[Orbit!]
L298[10:24:22] <Ircghost> this
rocket
L299[10:24:26] <APlayer> "Get
down" is a burn of fractions of a second
L300[10:25:00] <Deddly> Ircghost, do you
have a screenshot of your craft?
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L302[10:25:31] <Ircghost> Deddly, the
easiest is too look at the link of YouTube. There is the entire
vessel. I completely copied it
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L304[10:25:46] <APlayer> Plagiarism!
L305[10:25:57] <Deddly> Ircghost, Where in
the video should I be looking? It's more than an hour long :)
L306[10:26:09] <Ircghost> haha! I was
getting a bit mental about my own builds, so I just wanted to copy
one and check if it was me or the machine
L307[10:26:31] <Ircghost> Around
34:22
L308[10:26:35] <Ircghost> sorry, didn't
realize how long it was
L309[10:27:14] <Deddly> Oh ok, I see the
rocket
L310[10:27:37] <Deddly> Hmm, looks
unnecessarily low-tech for someone who's trying to learn the
game
L311[10:28:09] <Althego> it is careeer
guide
L312[10:28:10] <Deddly> If you want to
learn the mechanics of it, you can play in sandbox and use bigger
fuel tanks and engines
L313[10:28:12] <APlayer> Ircghost: Are you
familiar with the concepts of TWR and delta-v?
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L315[10:28:30] <Deddly> Oops, he closed
his browser
L316[10:28:40] <ve2dmn> ho well
L317[10:28:49] <Althego> hehe
L318[10:28:54] <APlayer> The answers were
too intense to handle
L319[10:29:00] <Deddly> Or KSP crashed his
machine
L320[10:29:24] <Fluburtur> my plane can
almost climb vertical when there is some wind
L321[10:29:37] <APlayer> He focused too
much and the mental EMP messed with his machine
L322[10:29:39] <ve2dmn> or the LHC
collapse the world and we don't know yey
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L324[10:29:46] <Ircghost> excuse, back
again
L325[10:29:55] <Deddly> Welcome back.
Here's what you missed:
L326[10:29:59] <APlayer> Well, at least we
know it wasn't the LHC now
L327[10:30:02] <Ircghost> Let me try it
with a burn at 10k
L328[10:30:06] <ve2dmn> ok, so LHC didn't
eat you
L329[10:30:14] <Deddly> * Ircghost has
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L330[10:30:14] <Deddly> <Deddly>
Oops, he closed his browser
L331[10:30:15] <Deddly> <ve2dmn> ho
well
L332[10:30:15] <Deddly> <Althego>
hehe
L333[10:30:15] <Deddly> <APlayer>
The answers were too intense to handle
L334[10:30:16] <Deddly> <Deddly> Or
KSP crashed his machine
L335[10:30:18] <Deddly> <Fluburtur>
my plane can almost climb vertical when there is some wind
L336[10:30:20] <Deddly> <APlayer> He
focused too much and the mental EMP messed with his machine
L337[10:30:22] <Deddly> <ve2dmn> or
the LHC collapse the world and we don't know yey
L338[10:30:24] <Deddly> * Ircghost
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L339[10:30:39] <Ircghost> I'm glad to see
I was missed so dearly
L340[10:30:43] <Deddly> Hehe :)
L341[10:30:45] <ve2dmn> :D
L342[10:30:50] *
APlayer slaps Deddly for spam
L343[10:30:58] <Deddly> ow
L344[10:31:09] <ve2dmn> Deddly: my clilent
has a 'slow paste' mode
L345[10:31:14] <APlayer> It was a light
slap, though
L346[10:31:47] <Deddly> My client has a
"flood everyone because who cares?" mode
L347[10:31:52] <Deddly> :P
L348[10:31:54] <ve2dmn> Ircghost: you
could always go the easy route: MOAR BOOSTERS!
L349[10:32:04] <Ircghost> of course! But I
want to learn :P
L350[10:32:16] *
APlayer engages "Flood everyone" mode
L351[10:32:23] <ve2dmn> Ircghost: use any
mods?
L352[10:32:30] *
Althego activates noah mode
L353[10:32:46] <Ircghost> Scatter
L354[10:32:57] <Althego> that is pure
visua
L355[10:32:59] <Althego> l
L356[10:33:01] <Ircghost> and now, mechjeb
and kerbal engineer
L357[10:33:13] <ve2dmn> good choice
L358[10:33:14] <Ircghost> well you asked
any, so that falls under that category ;)
L359[10:33:16] <APlayer>
"Scatter" - "That is pure visua"
L360[10:33:17] <Althego> those are
redundant, mechjeb can do what ker can
L361[10:33:18] <APlayer> LOL
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L363[10:33:25] <UmbralRaptop> The big
thing is to have sufficient ΔV (delta-v) for orbit, ~3 km/s once
you know what you're doing. But to start with, I'd aim for 4
km/s.
L364[10:33:28] <Althego> yes,
scatterer
L365[10:33:56] <APlayer> I never managed
to do better than 3500 m/s in stock KSP
L366[10:34:07] <APlayer> I think 3300 was
my one time best
L367[10:34:21] <ve2dmn> What does the dv
maps says?
L368[10:34:28] <APlayer> 4500, I
think?
L369[10:34:30] <Althego> i think it says
3400
L370[10:34:34] <Althego> 4500 was the
soup
L371[10:34:39] <UmbralRaptop> I'm under
the impression that much under 3.4 km/s requires a design with, uh,
compromises elsewhere.
L372[10:34:41] <Althego> but even i could
go below 3000
L373[10:34:45] <ve2dmn> 3.3k
L374[10:35:03] <Fluburtur> I wonder how
much dv the koyuz has
L375[10:35:11] <Fluburtur> probably close
to 10k with no payload
L376[10:35:23] <Althego> that could go to
anywhere and back
L377[10:35:25] <Althego> in stock
L378[10:35:28] <Althego> ok, except
eve
L379[10:35:31] <Fluburtur> pretty
much
L380[10:35:37] <Fluburtur> can do a direct
ascent to jool
L381[10:35:40] <APlayer> Except Moho, more
like
L382[10:35:45] <Fluburtur> like press
space and done
L383[10:35:46] <ve2dmn> Ircghost: make it
overpowered and start with that
L384[10:35:51] <Ircghost> so total Delta v
is atmo/vac -> 2956 ^ 3736
L385[10:35:56] <ve2dmn> Efficiency will
come with experience
L386[10:36:04] <Althego> what, no ,you can
go to jool with less than 2k injection
L387[10:36:12] <ve2dmn> Ircghost:
TWR?
L388[10:36:25] <Ircghost> total?
L389[10:36:25] <APlayer> dV looks fine to
me
L390[10:36:35] <Althego> that should be
more than enough
L391[10:36:36] <ve2dmn> Trust-to-weigh
ratio
L392[10:36:38] <APlayer> How is it
distributed across the stages?
L393[10:36:53] <APlayer> And what are the
stage TWRs?
L395[10:37:01] <Deddly> To be honest,
Ircghost, the margins on that rocket seem pretty tight for a
first-time-to orbit. See even he nearly runs out of fuel
L396[10:37:09] <Ircghost> stage (3): 3.74.
Stage 4: 1.51, stage 5: 1.28
L397[10:37:11] <Fluburtur> you may want to
remove the included payload
L398[10:37:24] <ve2dmn> best way to lose
all that deltaV is to have a TWR of 0.70 at launch
L399[10:37:36] <Althego> lol
L400[10:37:55] <APlayer> Woah, the TWRs
are insanely high
L401[10:37:59] <Althego> bit high at
startup
L402[10:38:20] <Althego> i usually go with
around 1.2-1.3 atmospheric at launch
L403[10:38:33] <Althego> especially with
solids, where it will just go out of control insanely
L404[10:38:34] <Ircghost> except for a
thermostat and gloo analyser there is no payload
L405[10:38:35] <APlayer> Not a bad thing
in KSP, just rather... Unusual. You could save some dV with a
weaker and lighter engine
L406[10:39:13] <Deddly> Ircghost, My
recommendation is to replace the bottom stage with a larger booster
and try the same launch
L407[10:39:24] <Ircghost> ok
L408[10:40:19] <Deddly> You might need a
few fins at the bottom to keep it stable
L409[10:40:26] <Ircghost> already
there
L410[10:40:30] <Deddly> :)
L411[10:40:32] <Fluburtur> or download my
rocket
L412[10:40:48] <Fluburtur> I don't know of
anyone that didn't like the koyuz
L413[10:41:05] <Ircghost> replaced it with
3 times hammer
L414[10:41:28] <UmbralRaptop> Control may
be an issue.
L415[10:41:32] <Deddly> Ircghost, oh
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L417[10:41:49] <Deddly> Ircghost, well in
that case, throttle them down to 1/3 power before exiting the
VAB
L418[10:42:10] <ve2dmn> Ircghost: the
basis of KSP is Try, Try again, Try again, try again
L419[10:42:19] <Ircghost> Ok, I haven't
tried the 3 hammer setup yet. But I'll tone it down
L420[10:43:03] <Deddly> Ircghost, I was
thinking more like replacing that single SRB with the longer
"Thumper" SRB. But the triple option might work
L421[10:43:51] <Fluburtur> I was testing a
new version of my shuttle and it has been reentering for two weeks
now
L422[10:44:09] <Ircghost> at a third power
there is no lift off :P
L423[10:44:32] <Althego> you need 1.2 atmo
twr
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L425[10:46:19] <ve2dmn> Ircghost: if I
didn't have my house to clean, I would stream a demo
L426[10:46:39] <APlayer> Fluburtur: Has it
been reentering for two weeks like Tiangong? :P
L427[10:46:50] <Fluburtur> well more like
once every day
L428[10:46:56] <Althego> i guided a guy to
the mun and back some days ago, so i am out in this one :)
L429[10:47:05] <Fluburtur> I wanted to
test a free return from the mun with some gentle aerobraking
L430[10:47:19] <Althego> 45 km
L431[10:47:26] <Althego> that doesnt hurt
anything
L432[10:47:35] <Fluburtur> it's basically
my old crew shuttle for the station but with the crew cabines
replaced by more fuel
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L434[10:48:47] <Deddly> Ircghost, LOL OK,
maybe a little more thrust, then ;)
L435[10:50:02] <Ircghost> looking good so
far
L436[10:51:30] <Ircghost> hmm a low orbit
(72K) but made it
L437[10:53:13] <Ircghost> Thanks for the
help guys
L438[10:53:50] <APlayer> That'll make
$5
L439[10:53:57] <ve2dmn> now install 34
more mods and try again :D
L440[10:54:19] <Althego> nince rocket you
have here. it would be a shame if something happened to it :)
L441[10:57:25] <Fluburtur> uh I think the
shuttle in unstable with the new configuration
L442[10:59:00] <Deddly> Ircghost, great,
well done!
L443[11:00:16] <UmbralRaptop> \o/
L444[11:01:03] <Ircghost> I do think I
lost Jeb. he was going back to kerbin, thought I deployed all
parachutes before switching back.
L445[11:01:07] <Ircghost> I guess not
:P
L446[11:02:48] <Deddly> Aaw
L447[11:02:57] <Deddly> Not to worry.
He'll find his way back
L448[11:03:22] <APlayer> He thinks it's
still April the 1. and hid to trick you
L449[11:03:28] <Ircghost> I'm off for a
bit, thanks again for the mental support ;)
L450[11:04:38] <UmbralRaptop> Uh, you'll
want the craft to be focused pm descent. Don't just go back to
three tracking station, etc.
L451[11:05:18] <Deddly> Seeya around,
Ircghost
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L456[11:08:49] <Fluburtur> the shuttle
survived so I didn't have to sue the parachutes but it was a good
excuse to use them
L457[11:08:54] <Fluburtur> being stuck in
a tumble
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L461[11:28:34] <Deddly> Fluburtur, Nice
shot there with the plane in the background. No tail on that
craft?
L462[11:29:43] <Fluburtur> there s one but
the angle doesn't show it
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L468[11:37:30] <Deddly> Ah yes
L469[11:37:46] <Deddly> I'm surprised that
tumbled, then
L470[11:38:14] <Fluburtur> the balance
probably changed
L471[11:38:23] <Fluburtur> I will need to
move the wings a bit then
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L473[11:40:46] <Deddly> Fuel flow
priority?
L474[11:41:38] <Fluburtur> didn't
matter
L475[11:41:51] <Fluburtur> I usually
manually balance the shuttle during reentry
L476[11:42:04] <Fluburtur> all the fuel in
the nose during the first part then in the middle
L477[11:42:34] <Althego> i think when you
have to do that, you already designed it wrong
L478[11:42:53] <Althego> i dont let the
planes become unstable
L479[11:43:35] <Althego> in reality of
course this balancing is a necessary part of the operation of a
plane
L480[11:46:26] <Deddly> I don't know about
designing it "wrong". It's just a different
priority
L481[11:47:14] <Althego> if you come back
without fuel and you are unstable and flip
L482[11:47:15] <Deddly> I mean, he could
have had all the fuel around the CoM, but then the living space
would have been split up, which is unrealistic
L483[11:47:16] <Althego> that is
wrong
L484[11:47:43] <Deddly> Well yeah, if it's
unstable empty, that's a problem
L485[11:47:43] <Althego> worst case i
would have some ballast somewhere, which is locked
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L487[11:49:47] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur:
SSTO?
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L489[11:50:13] <Fluburtur> no
L490[11:50:19] <Fluburtur> it actually
works like a real shuttle
L491[11:51:27] <Mat2ch> lame. :D
L492[11:52:20] <Fluburtur> im bad at
ssto
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L494[11:52:34] <Fluburtur> and shuttles
too usually but this one works very well
L495[11:53:53] <Mat2ch> :)
L496[11:54:01] <Mat2ch> I'm pretty good at
SSTOs, I think
L497[11:54:09] <Mat2ch> not real good, but
good enough to launch huge things
L498[12:15:16] <Eddi|zuHause> don't ever
switch out of a landing
L499[12:16:01] <Eddi|zuHause> Bad Things
(tm) happen
L500[12:17:27] <Eddi|zuHause> also, happy
easter. before it's over...
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L505[12:35:59] <RhineBTV> wew
L506[12:36:52] <RhineBTV> It's April 2nd,
and a powerline got knocked down because of wet, heavy snow
snapping a tree branch. Jesus
L507[12:37:22] <Althego> send the
geographical area so i may avoid it in the future :)
L508[12:37:33] <RhineBTV> New
England
L509[12:37:54] <Althego> ok i will easily
avoid that
L510[12:38:01] <kubi> this happens now and
then
L511[12:38:02] <RhineBTV> The snow is
whatever, even if it's ridiculous, but it just got wet and heavy
after the sun popped out
L512[12:38:18] <RhineBTV> Was coming down
really light and fluffy
L513[12:38:53] <kubi> it is just the
amount
L514[12:39:13] <RhineBTV> And I lost power
while I was fixing that stupid scansat thing I was going on about,
too
L516[12:39:29] <kubi> the most important
in life
L518[12:46:56] <Althego> hehehehe
L519[12:47:13] <Althego> we break for
noone
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L522[12:54:23] <APlayer> Plot twist:
Tiangong never reentered. It was all a joke.
L524[12:59:11] <kmath> YouTube - THE FURBY
ORGAN, A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT MADE FROM FURBIES
L525[13:00:39] <RhineBTV> That link sounds
terrifying
L526[13:00:52] <RhineBTV> Someone else
open it first
L527[13:01:22] <ve2dmn> it's both awesome
and VERY creepy at the same time
L529[13:02:25] <kmath> <plutokiller>
It's the start of the spring quarter here at Caltech, which means a
whole new batch of kids for Science of the Sola…
https://t.co/Woj0pZpDTd
L530[13:03:00] <Althego> hehe he is the
pluto killer
L531[13:03:22] <Althego> get me my new
planet nine asap
L532[13:03:46] <Fluburtur> I might test my
rockt engine tomorrow
L533[13:03:52] <Fluburtur> but I don't
want to waste time
L534[13:03:56] <Althego> it is getting
late for filming
L535[13:04:06] <RhineBTV> Interesting, I
just wish it was presented by someone who wasn't trying to outdo
Sacha Cohen
L536[13:04:16] <RhineBTV> I could've done
without the dude
L537[13:04:21] <Fluburtur> good thing I
have a light I made for filming
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L540[13:05:22] <Althego> goof thing rocket
makes its own light
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L544[13:26:17] <Fluburtur> well that was
another fail
L545[13:26:22] <Fluburtur> same issue as
the old nozzles
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L547[13:27:43] <Draconiator> thank
goodness for cloud saves....\
L548[13:32:41] <Fluburtur> oh god my rcket
produced over 400g of thrust before failing
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L550[13:37:19] <Althego> that doesnt sound
too much
L551[13:37:54] <Fluburtur> that's pretty
good
L552[13:37:58] <Fluburtur> almost 500
actually
L553[13:38:08] <Fluburtur> my goal was 400
so it could propel a plane
L555[13:38:15] <kmath> YouTube - entropy 6
thrust reading
L556[13:38:54] <Fluburtur> also the rocket
itself is like 50 grams
L557[13:39:05] <Fluburtur> so if the
nozzle didn't eject it would go super fast
L558[13:42:46] <Fluburtur> I should try a
temperature measurement on the next one
L559[13:42:56] <Fluburtur> btw the nozzle
flew off and I heard it land on the roof near me
L560[13:43:04] <Althego> hehe
L561[13:43:07] <Fluburtur> took like 5
whole seconds to land
L562[13:43:16] <Althego> new revolutionary
rocket motor: nozzle propulsion
L564[13:43:19] <kmath> YouTube - entropy 6
high speed
L565[13:43:27] <Fluburtur> well it counts
as reaction mass
L566[13:43:31] <Fluburtur> just not very
efficient
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L568[13:44:27] <Althego> makes a nice
flame
L569[13:44:48] <Fluburtur> yeah
L570[13:44:57] <Fluburtur> but I still
don't know what makes it fail
L571[13:45:07] <Fluburtur> looking at that
one it looks like it hs trouble starting
L572[13:47:00] <Althego> i wonder did man
at arms make the cleaver from higurashi?
L573[13:47:07] <Althego> they should
L574[13:47:40] <Fluburtur> you see how the
rocket starts to increase in power then quickly reduces and starts
again
L575[13:47:51] <Althego> yes it seems to
be some oscillation
L576[13:48:02] <Althego> or rather
negative feedback
L577[13:48:13] <Althego> and somehow the
nozzle is causing it
L578[13:48:13] <Fluburtur> and then
kaboom
L579[13:49:04] <Fluburtur> yeah
L580[13:49:19] <Fluburtur> I guess it
causes a choke that somehow causes that
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L582[13:50:26] <JCB> hmm... client got
changed.. eep
L584[13:51:40] <kmath> YouTube - Entropy 6
close up
L585[13:51:45] <Fluburtur> that was the
loudest so far
L586[13:58:59] <RhineBTV> I'm unfamiliar
with hobbyist rockets, what's with the sputtering around 2 secs
after it first flares up?
L587[13:59:10] <RhineBTV> You can notice
it around the same time frame in the high-speed vid as well, even
without sound
L588[13:59:23] <RhineBTV> Some way it
tries to stabilize or something?
L589[13:59:30] <Fluburtur> you mean the
oscillations?
L590[13:59:36] <Fluburtur> that's my
problem
L591[13:59:37] <RhineBTV> Oh, you
mentioned it just above
L592[13:59:37] <RhineBTV> Yeah
L593[13:59:51] <Fluburtur> I guess it's
because the nozzle isn't letting the presure escape fast
enough
L594[14:00:20] <Althego> doesnt have the
best profile
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L596[14:00:32] <Althego> but how would you
go and determine that
L597[14:00:59] <RhineBTV> Does it come
that way and it's something you have to sort out, or is it a result
of other modifications you've done?
L598[14:01:10] <RhineBTV> Just
curious
L599[14:01:20] <Althego> modifications? he
built it all
L600[14:01:21] <Fluburtur> it has a
partial hollow core to help ignition and increase initial presure a
bit
L601[14:01:30] <RhineBTV> Ah, nice
L602[14:01:33] <Fluburtur> I could try
having less of that
L603[14:01:35] <Deddly> Fluburtur, do you
have any information about exactly when it produced max
thrust?
L604[14:01:49] <Fluburtur> it was just
before it ejected the nozzle
L605[14:01:50] <Deddly> It would be good
if the numbers were visible in the frame
L606[14:02:05] <Fluburtur> so when the
presure was highest
L607[14:02:18] <RhineBTV> Well, I gotta
shower and shave, but that's cool and impressive you built it
entirely yourself
L608[14:02:46] <Deddly> Impressive
indeed
L609[14:03:12] <Fluburtur> but that scale
doesn't update very fast
L610[14:03:26] <Althego> use an
analog
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L612[14:03:42] <Fluburtur> im gonna make a
nozzle with even nicer curves and wider throat next time
L613[14:03:52] <Fluburtur> I don't think I
have an analog scale
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L617[14:12:42] <Deddly> That could
help
L618[14:13:00] <Fluburtur> do I look like
someone righ that has metal
L619[14:13:23] <Deddly> Who says it has to
be metal?
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L621[14:19:29] <Fluburtur> the
picture
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L625[14:24:10] <Althego> i havent seen
seeger rings not made of metal
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L633[14:47:21] <APlayer> Actually, you
could try 3D printing a wax mold and casting an aluminium or copper
or so nozzle
L634[14:47:51] <APlayer> Which opens a
whole new can of worms, but would be interesting and certainly very
clean
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L641[15:14:20] <Mat2ch> uh, nice!
L643[15:14:23] <kmath> YouTube - CRS-14
Mission
L644[15:14:38] <Fluburtur> I still have to
change some stuff
L645[15:15:01] <Mat2ch> Channel links
still give an error message
L646[15:15:19] <Mat2ch> Where did you get
that link?
L647[15:15:26] <Fluburtur> youtube
homepage
L648[15:15:34] <Fluburtur> it is a public
stream
L649[15:15:43] <Mat2ch> ah, ok
L650[15:16:06] <Mat2ch> getting it from
the spacex channel page is not possible right now
L651[15:16:58] <mrBlaQ> spacex webcast
just started
L652[15:17:01] <Mat2ch> "SpaceX will
not attempt to recover Falcon 9’s first stage after launch."
BORING.
L653[15:18:15] <APlayer> Nice! I would
have missed the launch if it was not linked here.
L654[15:21:14] <APlayer> Huh? They will
land it, but only to get data and will not actually recover it?
Why? They could sell it to some hobbyist for a few millions, if
they can't use it themselves anymore
L655[15:23:25] <Deddly> APlayer, that
would give away their secret technology
L656[15:25:06] <APlayer> You mean the
steam train that they stuck on the back behind the engines?
L657[15:25:08] <KrazyKrl> i thought that
many of the disposable launchers are used for testing things like
more aggresive entry profiles, where the telemetry is more
important.
L658[15:25:41] <APlayer> But no,
seriously
L659[15:25:56] <APlayer> Why don't they
recover it if they indeed attempt to land it?
L660[15:26:21] <APlayer> Even if it is to
avoid crashing it into the ocean, which does not seem very
environment friendly to me
L661[15:27:17] <KrazyKrl> sending the
droneship out there is not cheap, both logistically and
financially.
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L663[15:31:10] <Deddly> It's great for PR
though
L664[15:31:46] <SnoopJeDi> SpaceX isn't
exactly struggling on that front
L666[15:32:36] <Deddly> Are they going to
try an unusually-high-energy landing with the booster, maybe?
L667[15:33:30] <Deddly>
FORUM SOFTWARE ABOUT TO BE UPDATED
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L669[15:37:59] <Tank2333> damn it... i
missed it again
L670[15:39:03] <Deddly> Well there's no
recovery this time, so it's not quite as exciting as it usually
is
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L672[15:39:24] <Fluburtur> they do have
cameras on the first stage
L673[15:39:35] <Fluburtur> but I think
they need the boat to relay the signal
L674[15:40:46] <Fluburtur> lmao the boat
in the middle of nowhere on the map
L675[15:41:45] <petti> nice launch again,
looks sooo easy :)
L676[15:42:06] <KrazyKrl> A job done well
should be unnoticeable.
L677[15:42:12] <Deddly> So they DO have
the drone ship out there?
L678[15:43:13] <KrazyKrl> the drone ship
is probably very integral to the landing operations of the first
stage.
L679[15:43:37] <petti> there seemed to be
a gas spray from the second stage engine sideways out, I did not
see that this time. I wonder if it was a leak or just some
exchaust
L680[15:43:56] <KrazyKrl> jettisoning
schtuff.
L681[15:44:05] <hoglahoo> I thought those
were stars whizzing by
L682[15:46:46] <APlayer> I can't help but
smile at those things that keep flying off of rockets
L683[15:47:14] <APlayer> I imagine it's
random parts of the rocket itself, heh
L684[15:47:34] <petti> "Oh that?
Don't worry, we got more of those"
L685[15:47:53] <petti> Bob forgot about
the spacetape again
L686[15:48:58] <Deddly> Just an exploding
radially-mounted solar panel
L687[15:49:10] <Deddly> Should use the
shielded ones
L688[15:49:13] <SnoopJeDi> at least no
humans are aboard to randomly lose tools
L689[15:53:07] <APlayer> Or gloves
L690[15:53:16] <APlayer> Or trousers and
stuff
L691[15:53:49] <APlayer> (I mean, they are
drying their laundry outside, aren't they? And it floats off on
occasion)
L692[15:54:18] <VanDisaster> should use
exploding trousers just in case they drift off
L693[15:54:48] <APlayer> "Built in
self-destruct mode"
L694[15:55:26] <APlayer> In case of
mission abort or missing the objectives, press big red button
L695[15:57:21] <KrazyKrl> in 50 years
"Spaceflight is restricted from the area as denoted by a
circle labeled "Pants Constellation.""
L696[15:57:42] <APlayer>
Pantstellation?
L697[15:58:29] <APlayer> More like
"Danger of collision with stray pants"
L698[15:58:54] <APlayer> Anyway, I am on
collision course with my bed, so see you tomorrow :P
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L710[17:05:23] <ElliottK> Is there a known
issue/feature with MKS and cooling? or am I doing something
wrong?
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L715[17:51:14] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L718[17:55:12] <Supercheese> Y'know, I
always used to think, "Bah, humbug, I don't need a
Countdown-to-Launch mod, it's just flavor and I can launch on my
own." After installing the NASA Countdown mod, though, I find
myself always using it
L719[17:55:34] <Supercheese> it just makes
launches *feel* better
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L755[19:45:09] <ElliottK> Does anyone use
MKS?
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L757[19:49:11] <taniwha> masochistic
klaustrophobia simulator?
L758[19:55:00] <ElliottK> Yes,
exactly...
L759[19:55:19] <ElliottK> Or, were you
serious?
L760[20:05:54] <taniwha> no, silly
reference to USI-LS
L761[20:07:31] <ElliottK> Do you know if
the drill cooling used to work
L762[20:07:56] <ElliottK> I think it did,
but I'm not certain
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L764[20:08:07] <taniwha> no, I don't know.
what I do know is many complain about core heat's wonkiness
L765[20:08:33] <ElliottK> Yeah, it's hard
to figure out
L766[20:08:39] <taniwha> (and I don't know
if that's justified or not)
L767[20:08:47] <ElliottK> It would be nice
if there were some clue about it in the VAB
L768[20:09:10] <ElliottK> It seems simple.
Then I try it and nothing works
L769[20:10:53] <taniwha> that sounds
typical for RoverDude's stuff
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L771[20:11:20] <taniwha> (seems simple,
but getting it to work requires an army of micromanaged
details)
L772[20:11:21] <ElliottK> And the parts
have numbers on them that seem meaningless, but probably
aren't
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L800[22:30:52] <Draconiator> I think I can
stop stressing about my hard drive 330 hours in...lol
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L805[23:15:21] <Scolar_visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: For obvious reasons, Airbenders and the Fire
Nation cannot into space.
L806[23:16:17] <UmbralRaptor> Nuclear
fires!
L807[23:16:39] <Scolar_visari> Whoooo what
have they done to my precious java applet!?
L808[23:17:03] <Scolar_visari> Also: I can
see the list of banned users. Huh.
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L811[23:20:02] <UmbralRaptor> oh, right.
Esper switched their webchat client.
L813[23:21:28] <Scolar_visari>
UmbralRaptor: The text is obnoxiously larger, but it now feels like
I'm in 2007 instead of 1997!
L816[23:24:04] <Scolar_visari> What . . .
? "The time has come to think seriously on decommissioning
satellites cleanly and safely in an environmental fashion instead
burning them in the atmosphere and throwing the remaing rubbish in
the sea!"
L817[23:25:02] <Scolar_visari> Oh dear.
"By simply reversing the orbital velocity, the satellite will
come out of orbit and fall to earth at terminal velocity where it
lands safely by parachute to be collected for
recycling."
L818[23:25:51] <Scolar_visari>
"Simply".
L819[23:26:15] <Scolar_visari> Yes, they
"simply" need the equivalent of an orbital launch
vehicle. No biggy.
L820[23:26:34] <UmbralRaptor> I know a
tyrant that they should become acquainted with.
L821[23:27:41] <Scolar_visari> Lord Newton
or Count Tsiolkovsky?
L822[23:28:24] <Scolar_visari> Or,
beghast, Princeps Gravity itself!?
L823[23:28:49] <UmbralRaptor> hah
L824[23:29:57] <Scolar_visari> Could be
worse, I did see more claims today that rockets no work in
space.
L825[23:31:45] <UmbralRaptor> Ꙩ_ꙩ
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L827[23:38:58] <Scolar_visari> Ahh, here
we go! The exact text: "What would a rocket push against in a
Space vacuum? Wake up sheeple. NASA admits it can't get past the
Van Allen Radiation Belts (dome). Look it up."
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L830[23:42:28] <Scolar_visari> "Don't
get me wrong I know that Boeing & Lockheed are great companies
they literally have had no competition in the past sixty years and
have been siting around bank rolling on uncle Sam. Now they are
likely a decade behind SpaceX in R&D."
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L832[23:45:49] <Scolar_visari> I'm not
even sure Boeing and Lockheed Martin *had* any orbital launch
vehicles until they bought out General Dynamics and
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L834[23:46:03] <Scolar_visari> McDonnell
Douglas
L835[23:50:20] <Scolar_visari> And, aside
from a landing first stage, I really wouldn't consider there being
appreciably far ahead in the R&D of anything; particularly
since SpaceX deliberately went for simplicity in the design of the
critical Merlins.
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L837[23:54:39] <Scolar_visari> Back to the
ugly: "amazing how people believe anything even it goes
against REAL science. you ll believe anything in the MS media.
steering braking propulsion and combustion are impossible in vacuum
Einstien."
L838[23:55:35] <Althego> lol
L839[23:56:02] <Althego> surely a flat
earther
L840[23:56:06] <Scolar_visari> Dear lord!
If only chemical rockets brought oxidizers with them to
compensate!!!
L841[23:58:14] <Scolar_visari> Althego: Oh
no, that person's not a Flat Earther. They are, however, a
Holocaust denier.
L842[23:58:23] <Althego> eh
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L844[23:59:20] <Scolar_visari> And
electromagnetic wave deniers, it seems. "They must find a
metal and electronic components that will withstand the hot and
cold extremes. they also need a medium on which they can propagate
waves of communication. No airwaves in a vacuum."
L845[23:59:41] <Scolar_visari> Photons
don't real.