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L11[00:22:53] <Rokker> Supernovy: o/
L12[00:23:21] <Supernovy> yo
L13[00:23:42] <Rokker> Supernovy: I found
out something you will find funny
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L63[02:18:09] <AimDownSight> hi
L64[02:18:10] <Mod9000> Hello,
AimDownSight
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L95[03:16:53] <Blaannk> What is SpaceX
planning to send to mars?
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L107[03:42:28] <TheKosmonaut> Blaannk:
your mom. That's why they made the BFR
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L146[04:58:18] <kubi> morning
L147[04:58:32] <TheKosmonaut> kubi:
gmornin
L148[04:58:40] <taniwha> hi, kubi
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L151[05:07:47] <Mat2ch> UmbralRaptor:
could you maybe ban halcyon_b ?
L152[05:08:10] <Mat2ch> well, right now it
looks like it has stopped, but...
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L157[05:16:03] <TheKosmonaut> His client
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L158[05:17:14] <kubi> is it a phone?
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L160[05:17:32] <TheKosmonaut> I sent him a
PM
L161[05:17:46] <TheKosmonaut> He can come
back when it's not a mess
L162[05:25:23] <RandomJeb> I've thought
about writing myself a script for these occasions, something
that'll monitor my disconnects and if there's three ping timeouts
in a row without user activity then kill any reconnection attempts
to that server
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L170[05:49:54] <NGC3982> im noticing
something i have not seen before when using 1.4. i cant say its
version specific, but it feels like it: when adding the mk12-r
radial shute it seems to want to mount it a bit "inside"
of the part you attach it to, making it undeployable due to
"being stowed".
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L173[06:12:35] <AimDownSight> KAC has a
new updated version now, not aviavable via ckan though. fyi
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L179[06:54:06] <Olympic1> AimDownSight:
Can take some time before its indexed in ckan
L180[06:57:55] <kubi> USI too
L181[06:58:09] <kubi> but be patient
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L190[07:26:06] <TheKosmonaut> NGC3982:
haven't had that happen
L191[07:26:13] <TheKosmonaut> I'll try and
see though
L192[07:30:20] <NGC3982> i havent really
reinstalled, reconfigured or something. i just noticed that it
happends like half of the time
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L206[08:51:18] <Pakaran> So what kind of
local TWR do I want for my Mun lander?
L208[08:51:52] <Pakaran> I'm going to
practice actual *landings* in the appropriate tutorial of my 3.4
totally stock game, so I'm not worried about that (though probably
a bit conservative is good).
L209[08:52:43] <Pakaran> I plan to
basically lock surface retrograde, more or less kill the horizontal
a couple kilcks up, and use thrusters to micromanage the landing
spot (and also hopefully arrest tipping, but it might be good to do
a rapid takeoff if it starts?)
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L211[08:54:58] <deadmind> anything above 2
should be enough
L212[08:55:10] <deadmind> if it's too
powerful, you can always throttle down, unlike in reality
L213[08:56:37] <Pakaran> thanks. I may go
for smaller than a Terrier.
L214[08:56:51] <Pakaran> Though I'm
designing for a crew of 3, for tourist and training missions.
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L216[09:09:58] <TheKosmonaut> NGC3982:
Well, I dont really think you need *all* of those chutes
anyway
L217[09:10:15] <TheKosmonaut> I would
wager it's getting into that storage unit and counting as
stowed.
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L219[09:12:56] <Arloc> hy, can i ask a
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L221[09:14:40] <VanDisaster> noone will
hate you if you do
L222[09:16:39] <NGC3982> TheKosmonaut:
hehe, i know.
L223[09:22:49] <Arloc> are there any mods
which are in conflict with the strategia mod? i run a heavy modded
1.3 career and can not seen to make strategia work, and disabeling
and checking everything will take forever, strategia contracts show
up, but in the strategie building there are just the stock
strategies and it says 0 active(max. 0), and i think, that all
other mods i have installed do not interfere with the strategy
system
L225[09:24:11] <N70> anyone here know alot
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L246[10:41:21] <Althego> hehe
L247[10:41:45] <Althego> the closest we
got to that in reality was bill nye working for boeing
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L274[12:16:16] <N70> anyone here know alot
about MKS? pm me if you do
L275[12:17:27] <Althego> quiet today
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L284[12:53:47] <JCB> go to try and make
micro spacestation in sandbox mod, end up making weird passenger
space ship..
L286[13:07:21] <Althego> classic
L287[13:07:54] <Fluburtur> yeah I will
make one and paint it like a f4
L288[13:08:00] <Fluburtur> because I like
this one a lot
L289[13:08:05] <Fluburtur> play it a lot
in war thunder
L290[13:09:27] <ve2dmn> good day
L291[13:11:11] <ve2dmn> Just came back
from a thrift store
L292[13:13:09] <ve2dmn> I found a real old
game... one Notorious for shipping really late and really
buggy
L293[13:13:30] <Althego> any gamein the
last decade?
L294[13:13:41] <ve2dmn> nope. 199x
L295[13:17:54] <ve2dmn> One of the very
first Take Two game notorious for being in developpement for years
and years
L296[13:27:10] <RandomJeb> bass hunter
64
L297[13:28:14] <Althego> rocket mage 128
:
L298[13:28:15] <Althego> )
L300[13:41:38] <VanDisaster> that's derek
smart, you can't blame TT for his issues :P
L301[13:47:10] <ve2dmn> I'm not blaming
them at all.
L302[13:48:06] <Althego> aha, but can you
git blame them? :)
L303[13:51:00] <ve2dmn> in the case of
BC300AD, probably not. The didn't do any commit
L304[13:51:19] <Althego> probably was
under svn or cvs
L305[13:51:23] <Althego> or something
similar
L306[13:52:01] <ve2dmn> I doubt Derek knew
about Version Control at the time
L307[13:52:22] <Althego> hehe
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L322[14:17:10] <SnoopJeDi> ¿
L323[14:17:36] <awabast40>
MKS.EL.OrbitalDock im having trouble finding this
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L326[14:20:12] <Althego> scott abour
vanguard 1
L328[14:20:27] <kmath> YouTube - Feel
Glass Inc.
L329[14:21:15] <Althego> hehe, so
stayputnik is a reference to vanguard
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L332[14:27:03] <kmath> YouTube - Building
a Paramotor! - KSP
L333[14:27:15] <Althego> go kerbal
paragliders
L334[14:28:00] <Fluburtur> nah we need new
parachute parts that act as parafoils
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L336[14:28:47] <Althego> you cant make a
loop with it
L337[14:28:49] <Althego> why
L338[14:29:06] <Fluburtur> because they
didn't take into account the kerbal factor
L339[14:29:18] <Fluburtur> that peoples
were going to do extreme sports immediatly
L340[14:30:24] <KrazyKrl> Sports
awesomeness: 0.5
L341[14:31:05] <Fluburtur> I know someone
that builds paramotor trikes in his basement
L342[14:31:20] <Fluburtur> and he recently
got a 500cc two stroke two cylinders engine
L343[14:36:41] <JCB> ... to make a hoop
wing, see if it flies in ksp...hmm.....
L344[14:39:02] <VanDisaster> as long as
there's some wing surface anything will fly :p
L345[14:39:46] <Althego> hehe matthias
wandel and the mouse videos
L346[14:40:21] <JCB> or at least flying
surface and some speed..
L347[14:40:23] <Althego> and the shrew
wins again
L348[14:40:37] <JCB> I made a few flying
wing sorta ssto's...
L349[14:42:58] <Althego> hehe, comment:
"Can't wait until they nerf the shrew. #ShrewPatch"
L350[14:45:29] <JCB> ... shrew?
L351[14:45:49] <VanDisaster>
#tametheshrew
L353[14:45:50] <kmath> YouTube - Bigger,
tighter mouse maze experiments
L354[14:46:35] <Althego> somehow he slowlz
starts this side job of amateur ethologist
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L366[15:08:05] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: A tragedy has engulfed our channel which
started right here with the taxation of launch sites!
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L370[15:10:00] <kmath> YouTube - Bulb
Changing on a 1999 ft. TOWER!
L371[15:10:10] <Fluburtur> why would
someone ever want to do that
L372[15:11:11] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
That video gives the impression of climbing a space tower.
L373[15:11:20] <Althego> hehe
L374[15:11:30] <Althego> space elevator
climbin. an extreme sport
L375[15:11:45] <Scolar_Visari> Also:
Somebody has to change the light bulb.
L376[15:11:53] <Althego> use led light
:)
L377[15:12:17] <Fluburtur> I would chop
down that tower and replace it
L378[15:12:21] <Fluburtur> im not climbing
there
L379[15:12:24] <Althego> hehe
L380[15:12:25] <Fluburtur> or use a
helicopter idk
L381[15:12:27] <Althego> me neither
L383[15:12:44] <kmath> YouTube - Spacer
Installation on 765,000 volt line
L384[15:12:46] <Fluburtur> I hope that
dude ahs a parachute
L385[15:12:47] <Althego> this looks
worse
L386[15:12:50] <Althego> not that
high
L387[15:12:56] <Althego> but other
complications
L388[15:13:12] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
Changing it with a helicopter would be more expensive.
L389[15:13:13] <Fluburtur> also the dude
has like no safety, the hooks could easily slide out of the side
sticks
L390[15:13:33] <Fluburtur> listen you
would need to pay me much more than a heli to go do that
L391[15:13:49] <Althego> that is why they
are paying someone else
L392[15:14:02] <Fluburtur> I guess
L393[15:14:22] <Fluburtur> but the
comments on the video are fun
L394[15:14:35] <Scolar_Visari> Using a
helicopter means they'd have to pay one or two more people on top
of the human replacing the bulb.
L395[15:14:46] <Fluburtur> use a
robot
L396[15:14:54] <Fluburtur> or have a hot
swap ready
L397[15:15:05] <Scolar_Visari> Using a
robot means millions of dollars in R&D for something you'll
probably use once every few years.
L398[15:15:20] <Fluburtur> I don't
care
L399[15:15:26] <Scolar_Visari> Hence why
they're not hiring you.
L400[15:15:26] <Fluburtur> robots are
better
L401[15:15:35] <Althego> i can here the
russian accent
L402[15:15:43] <Althego> which one was it,
ironman 2?
L403[15:15:52] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
Yeah.
L404[15:16:00] <Scolar_Visari> With the
guy from The Wrestler playing a Russian.
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L407[15:17:43] <kmath> YouTube - Justin
Hammer Drone Heads
L408[15:17:53] <Althego> wait, he said
drone better
L409[15:19:14] <Scolar_Visari> Drone,
robot, meh.
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L419[15:24:57] *
Scolar_Visari seriously ponders if SpaceX's engineers even believe
in the feasibility of a launch-to-orbit date of 2020
is.
L420[15:25:07] <Althego> nah
L421[15:25:35] <Althego> they were delays
with every stage of their plans up until now
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L424[15:27:42] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
The Falcon Heavy's well noted delays are particularly relevant,
given that it was a much simpler design (albeit with increasingly
little justification) with little to do but researching
struts.
L425[15:28:32] <Althego> there were 2
accidents on falcon 9 too, which were further hindering it
L426[15:29:03] <Scolar_Visari> Even more
concerning is the fact that the BFR will be using a completely
different engine design (methane burning, staged combustion) with
absolutely no heritage!
L427[15:29:58] <VanDisaster> I'm a bit
dubious about it ever being built, honestly
L428[15:30:06] <VanDisaster> the rocket,
not the engine
L429[15:30:09] <Scolar_Visari> Well, at
least a failure would produce an explosion rivaling that of the old
Soviet N-1s.
L430[15:30:37] <Scolar_Visari>
VanDisaster: As am I, especially given that there's not really an
existing market for such a payload capacity outside
governments.
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L432[15:31:39] *
Scolar_Visari recalls the fates of Isambard Kingdom Brunel's
gigantic steamships.
L433[15:32:29] <VanDisaster> eh, the great
eastern was just a bit too soon
L434[15:32:56] <tawny> I have to disagree
with your claim quite a bit
L435[15:33:02] <APlayer> I guess SpaceX
will get funds from Elon, because this is his latest hobby, and
perhaps from people wanting to visit Mars
L436[15:33:09] <tawny> it's not as simple
as just 'slap struts on a falcon 9'
L437[15:33:18] <Scolar_Visari> The Great
Eastern was *the* largest ship afloat for more than four
decades!
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L440[15:33:23] <kmath> YouTube -
Electricity has such amazing power - Compilation
L441[15:33:35] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
Yeah, but Musk probably doesn't have enough money for that.
L442[15:33:45] <tawny> as I understand it,
they thought they'd be able to do just that at first and the delays
came from having to redesign the center core
L443[15:33:45] <APlayer> We'll
see...
L444[15:33:54] <Scolar_Visari> tawny: I
would have thought the reference to *researching struts* was an
indication of it being made in jest.
L445[15:33:57] <APlayer> Back then, Falcon
9 and Falcon Heavy were just dreams too
L446[15:34:03] <tawny> ahhhh k haha
L447[15:34:07] *
Scolar_Visari eyes the Delta IV Heavy having already unlocked that
part of the tech tree.
L448[15:34:07] <tawny> I'm bad with
sarcasm sometimes
L449[15:34:43] <tawny> that said, I
definitely agree with you on the 2020 bit
L450[15:34:57] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
Tesla's run into serious issues, and there's good reason for
skepticism regarding the global LEO internet.
L451[15:34:58] <tawny> have they even
started building any parts of the BFR yet?
L452[15:35:07] <Althego> no heraitage is
not really an issue. somebody has to do it first. and really no
reason not to use methane except that others were too lazy to use
it
L453[15:35:48] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: It
also means there's a a load more R&D issues.
L454[15:35:54] <Althego> yes
L455[15:36:18] <Scolar_Visari> It's also
not a matter of laziness, methane wasn't that great a fuel in the
context of denser kerosene and higher isp cryogens.
L456[15:36:23] <Althego> they have at
least some raptors
L457[15:36:31] <Althego> also there were
tanks for the previous, bigger iteration
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L459[15:36:59] <tawny> ooooo
L460[15:37:04] <Scolar_Visari> And aside
from the first stage development, the actual vehicle payload itself
will easily eclipse the LV in R&D costs.
L461[15:37:06] <UmbralRaptop> Sub-scale
raptors have been test fired.
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L463[15:37:19] <Scolar_Visari> Raptops,
you could say.
L464[15:37:27] <Althego> what, they were
not full scale?
L465[15:37:29] <Althego> haha
L466[15:37:55] <Althego> and besides,
raptor, call of the shadows, i can still hear the music today
L467[15:38:40] <UmbralRaptop> :D
L468[15:39:02] *
Scolar_Visari would feel uneasy about claims of a functioning,
passenger carrying interplanetary vehicle operating within a decade
despite none having ever existed before.
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L471[15:39:43] <tawny> if anyone can do
it, spacex probably could.... but that doesn't mean anyone can do
it in the first place
L473[15:39:57] <kmath> YouTube - Raptor:
Call of the Shadows (remix)
L474[15:40:14] <Althego> the best remix
ever
L475[15:40:33] <APlayer> On the other
hand, people did feel uneasy about man landing on the moon before
the end of the decade...
L476[15:40:54] <APlayer> So, we can say we
have conclusive proof man never landed on the moon! Government lies
uncovered!
L477[15:40:59] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
Which was probably justified despite the greater R&D budget and
far more modest aims.
L478[15:41:17] <UmbralRaptor> APlayer:
Okay, they were all reptilians.
L479[15:41:28] <Althego> and
atheists
L480[15:41:36] <Scolar_Visari> Smaller
vehicles, dramatically reduced endurance requirements and, of
course, no expectation of reuse.
L481[15:42:19] <APlayer> Scolar_Visari:
And tech from 60 years ago
L482[15:42:50] <APlayer> Which feels
medieval-level compared to modern tech
L483[15:43:11] <APlayer> Today, you have
/so/ many more possibilities than back then.
L484[15:43:14] <Althego> we have far
better materials, computers, navigation
L485[15:43:17] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
I'd contest that statement. We are, after all, still using
RL-10s.
L486[15:43:27] <Althego> still working
with the same million year old human hardware :)
L487[15:43:37] <APlayer> Well, we, yes. In
that case, SpaceX is not part of "we". :P
L488[15:43:52] <UmbralRaptor> Albeit RL10s
with 5-10% higher Isp and 2x the thrust.
L489[15:44:05] <Scolar_Visari> Amusingly,
the basis for the Merlin engines were the LM engines.
L490[15:44:17] <APlayer> Makes sense
L491[15:44:27] <APlayer> Ultra deep
throttle, and such
L492[15:44:44] <Scolar_Visari> Heck, from
a technical perspective, the Merlin engines are quite *primitive*
compared to others on the market, as was the intent to cut
costs.
L493[15:45:07] <Althego> they are simple
and reliable
L494[15:45:09] <APlayer> They still work
as well as others
L495[15:45:57] <Scolar_Visari> That's the
point I was making: Technology has not improved to the point where
making a launch or interplanetary vehicle is dramatically easier
than it was when NASA was considering the same in the 60's.
L496[15:46:27] <APlayer> Long story short,
I doubt SpaceX will keep up with their schedule. But one thing they
do better than any other company is, they achieve their goals
sooner or later
L497[15:46:29] <Althego> engines havent
improved that much
L498[15:46:33] <tawny> we're a lot better
at it, at least
L499[15:46:35] <APlayer> More later than
sooner, but they do
L500[15:46:49] <tawny> but that's really
just due to computers and materials tech
L501[15:46:54] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
The most I coudl say is LVs are far more reliable than they used to
be, but I wouldn't chalk that up to technology.
L502[15:47:30] <APlayer> Scolar_Visari:
SpaceX developed an engine from scratch in a few years
L503[15:47:39] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
The engine was *not* developed from scratch.
L504[15:47:49] <APlayer> From almost
scratch
L505[15:48:35] <APlayer> It is not a
re-iteration of RS-25, anyway
L506[15:48:45] <Scolar_Visari> It was
developed using outside talent that had worked on more or less the
same engine in the 90's.
L507[15:49:00] <tawny> I've heard tom
mueller already had the merlin engine design when musk hired
him
L508[15:49:23] <tawny> but I don't know
what state it was in- whether it was just the concept or whether
there were scale models or anything
L509[15:49:40] <tawny> and I never found a
good source for that so it may be apocryphal
L510[15:50:03] <Scolar_Visari> tawny:
Yeah, TRW Inc. had a working TR-106 engine in the 2000s.
L511[15:50:06] <tawny> still, designing
and mass producing a new engine in a few years even if it's not
from scratch is pretty good
L512[15:50:19] <tawny> *I* can't do that,
certainly :p
L514[15:51:10] <Scolar_Visari> But I'll
again say getting the engine done is peanuts compared to developing
the interplanetary vehicles, especially since SpaceX once to do it
all in house.
L515[15:52:40] <tawny> yeah
L516[15:54:09] <APlayer> Scolar_Visari:
SpaceX demonstrated the ability to develop technologies with Falcon
9, it remains to be seen if, and when, they will or will not
develop the BFR
L517[15:54:26] <NGC3982> you may think
it's a long way down to the chemists
L518[15:54:31] <NGC3982> but that's just
peanuts to space!
L519[15:55:32] <tawny> at this point I'm
sure they have the ability to make it happen eventually, and I'm
only wondering whether they'll be able to finish it before they run
out of money or not
L520[15:56:03] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
The ability to develop a hand full of technologies needed for a
modest launch vehicle doesn't follow to the ability to develop a
monsterous launch vehicle plus interplanetary spacecraft.
L521[15:56:05] <APlayer> Also, chances are
NASA will fund some of it
L522[15:56:15] <tawny> but back in like
2016, when it wasn't even clear they'd ever get the falcon heavy
working, I was a lot harsher about it
L523[15:56:24] <Althego> why did you have
to start an interesting discussion when it is night?
L524[15:56:37] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
It's day over here. Why don't you live on a tidally locked world
like I?
L525[15:56:45] <APlayer> Scolar_Visari:
Everything starts small
L526[15:57:26] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
And scaling up is very difficult and expensive. There's not a
person on Earth who has any idea whether or not there's actually a
market strong enough to literally fund the BFR to get off the
ground.
L527[15:57:39] <Althego> the engine and
the delta v needed for mars is ultimately not an issue. the human
endurance and logistics with all the food and stuff and radiation
management is
L528[15:58:09] <APlayer> Food. People keep
talking about food as issue with Mars missions.
L529[15:58:11] <Scolar_Visari> Heck, I'm
not even sure if reusability is going to work out in the long run
as an LV business model.
L530[15:58:21] <tawny> why wouldn't it
work out
L531[15:58:24] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
Food's not *that* big an issue if it's a modest mission (say, 1,000
days).
L532[15:58:25] <APlayer> Food is a thing
you can just brute-force launch to orbit and forget about it
L533[15:58:49] <APlayer> Gravity and
radiation issues are the real killer, literally
L534[15:59:04] <Scolar_Visari> tawny: Not
enough launches, too few uses for rockets. When the STS was being
conceptualized, the amount of launches needed for it to break even
during the optimistic early years was still absolutely insane
despite 100% reusability.
L535[15:59:53] <tawny> yeah but that
doesn't seem to be the case here
L536[16:00:17] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
Meh, gravity's not an issue for non-permanent habitation unless you
forget to exercise. Skeletal issues seem to level off, but we're
completely unsure as to the severity of radiation exposure to the
human body.
L537[16:00:20] <tawny> I don't have a look
at spacex's books but they're pricing falcon 9 flights cheaply
enough that it seems like they're able to recoup expenses even
without reuse
L538[16:00:38] <tawny> or maybe elon musk
just likes wasting a ton of his own money, who knows
L539[16:00:58] <APlayer> Scolar_Visari:
The absence of gravity causes all sorts of bugs and glitches in
people, and we only keep discovering new and more obscure
ones
L540[16:01:11] <Scolar_Visari> tawny: No
one really has SpaceX books other than SpaceX.
L541[16:01:15] <tawny> yeah haha
L542[16:01:24] <APlayer> So many things
depend on it, it can't be a small issue
L543[16:01:42] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
People have already spent more time in space than they would on
either leg of a mission to Mars without anything approaching
lasting effects.
L544[16:01:44] <tawny> but hey, the falcon
9's not carrying huge wings with it, it's not parachuting SRBs into
the ocean and having to refurbish them anew every time...
L545[16:01:57] <Scolar_Visari> Though no
one's sure as to what low gravity exposure does for more than a few
day's time.
L546[16:02:20] <APlayer> Scolar_Visari:
People spent 16 months at most in microgravity, IIRC?
L547[16:02:22] <Scolar_Visari> tawny: No,
but I was refrencing estimates made back when the Shuttle lacked
SRBs and such. The BFR is also projected to have wings.
L548[16:02:45] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
Going to or form Mars would encompass 250 days in deep space at a
time with modest thrust options.
L549[16:03:14] <APlayer> And said people
failed to walk upon returning to Earth
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L551[16:03:33] <Althego> yes, walking on
mars after al ong space mission will be hard too
L552[16:03:44] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
What? The current record holder got out and walked immediately
after leaving his Soyuz capsule.
L553[16:03:55] <APlayer> Did he?
L554[16:03:55] <Scolar_Visari> The reason
it's hard to walk after a Soyuz landing is because they're
extraordinarily rough.
L555[16:04:13] <APlayer> The bone and
muscle loss are issues, definitely
L556[16:04:16] <Scolar_Visari> You hit the
ground hard despite retros and the shock absorber assisted seat,
and then you can roll around for a while.
L557[16:04:46] <Althego> standing up is
not an issue
L558[16:04:48] <Scolar_Visari> Valery
Polyakov made a point of walking unassisted after 438 days in
space.
L559[16:04:55] <Althego> keeping walking
is hard after long time without balance
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L561[16:05:33] <Scolar_Visari> That's far
longer than what a Mars mission would entail unless you're using
very low thrust propulsion. We're talking around 250 days
here.
L562[16:05:42] <Althego> maybe we could
put the astronauts in some kind of walking chair, like in sw ep1 or
something
L563[16:05:54] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: Or
just use a scooter?
L564[16:06:02] <Althego> bo roads
L565[16:06:13] <Althego> whre we are
going...
L566[16:06:22] <Scolar_Visari> Where we're
going, we don't need legs.
L567[16:09:02] <Scolar_Visari> Four out of
four Mars rovers can't be wrong: Wheels will do!
L568[16:09:25] <Althego> 1 died because of
wheels
L569[16:09:50] <Scolar_Visari> Yeah, and
some people die because they drank too much!
L570[16:09:50] <Althego> 1 has slowly
eroding wheels, ok probably not an issue for a short mission
L571[16:10:06] <Althego> and dihydrogen
monoxid
L572[16:10:13] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if Mars' lower gravity will expedite the
'recovery' process.
L573[16:10:24] <Althego> recovery of
what
L574[16:10:34] <Althego> the gravity
induced problems?
L575[16:10:39] <Althego> nobody
knows
L576[16:10:46] <Scolar_Visari> The human
sense of balance and certain muscles take about a week to a month
(at worst) to acclimatize.
L577[16:10:57] <Althego> there are studies
about zero g effects, not about fractional g
L578[16:11:31] <Scolar_Visari> This also
goes the other way, with mission productivity in space increasing
after a month.
L579[16:12:39] *
Scolar_Visari should really get a copy of Red Sky in Orbit for the
book's references.
L580[16:12:44] <Scolar_Visari> Er, Red
Star.
L581[16:14:12] <Althego> fist of the north
star :)
L582[16:14:23] <Scolar_Visari> You're
already in space!
L583[16:14:30] <Althego> hehe
L584[16:15:22] <Scolar_Visari> Sadly, the
enthusiasm for punch-launch assist systems is quite low at the
moment.
L585[16:15:32] <Althego> hehe
L586[16:15:41] <Althego> survival rate
zero
L587[16:15:58] <Scolar_Visari> At least
we'll shed a few tears after.
L588[16:16:23] <APlayer> Sometimes I
wonder how the Earth, Sun and Galaxy can move so fast through
space, and there is no fraction-of-a-milimeter floating point
error
L589[16:16:54] <Althego> hehe
L590[16:17:00] <Althego> running on analog
computer :)
L591[16:17:03] <Scolar_Visari> That'll be
addressed in the upcoming hot fix. Universe 3.0 is going to include
some more content, too.
L592[16:17:35] <Scolar_Visari> I mean,
didn't you JUST get the Gravitational Waves feature
L593[16:17:43] <Althego> new rpg style
leveling system for players :)
L594[16:17:51] <UmbralRaptor> Serious
response: there have totally been observations of distant quasars
and supernovae looking for that.
L595[16:17:57] <Althego> that was always
there as a hidden feature
L596[16:18:14] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
Nose picking will assist in leveling up the lockpicking
skill.
L597[16:18:22] <Althego> lol
L598[16:18:53] <APlayer> Not a hidden
feature
L599[16:19:00] <APlayer> A rumored easter
egg
L600[16:19:40] <Scolar_Visari> I've been
told the developers have removed the text overlays and sound
effects indicating a level up, as it seems to scare people.
L601[16:19:49] <Althego> hehe
L602[16:20:17] <Scolar_Visari> "Oh,
look, I've found gold in my nos-" "LOCKPICKING LEVELED
UP!"
L603[16:20:17] <Althego> yes, this
universe would make a boring isekai manga. or maybe not
L604[16:20:19] <APlayer> UmbralRaptor:
Really, haven't there been observations for everything?
L605[16:20:45] <APlayer> I wouldn't be
surprised if Russel himself conducted observations trying to prove
his extra-ordinary claims
L606[16:21:03] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: As
far as I know, no one's tried looking for their keys in
space.
L607[16:21:15] <APlayer> Of course
L608[16:21:20] *
Scolar_Visari sheepishly notes Russel's teapot makes a literal
apperance in Stellaris.
L609[16:21:25] <APlayer> Everyone and
their keys are in space
L610[16:21:27] <APlayer> At any time
L611[16:21:38] <UmbralRaptor> APlayer: he
sucessfully destroyed the teapot, but saucers are still flying
around abducting cows.
L612[16:21:45] <UmbralRaptor> No idea
about the cups.
L613[16:22:11] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: They became rides at local carnivals to disguise
their true purpose.
L614[16:22:27] <UmbralRaptor> hah
L615[16:22:35] <Scolar_Visari> The flying
saucers, on the other hand, were part of the backdrop of the
World's Fair in Queens.
L616[16:22:59] <Althego> curiosity will
reach sol 200 next week
L617[16:23:02] <Althego> 2000
L618[16:23:13] <Scolar_Visari> Why else
did you think they would host the World's Fair in Queens?
L619[16:23:50] <Althego> i want human
flying saucer tech
L620[16:24:08] <Scolar_Visari> Well you'll
need to contact XCOM for that one.
L621[16:24:17] <Althego> just because rule
of cool
L622[16:24:32] <Althego> even better if
they shine brightly or have running lights
L623[16:24:35] <Scolar_Visari> And then
we'll never hear from you again because they locked you away in an
undisclosed location for interrogation.
L624[16:25:01] <Althego> at least now i am
not under government supervision
L625[16:25:09] <Althego> or i dont know
about it :)
L626[16:25:21] <Scolar_Visari> This
channel communication is being monitored by XCOM for quality
assurance.
L627[16:25:24] <UmbralRaptor> Something
something flying flapjack.
L628[16:25:37] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: Hey, I'd like some flapjacks!
L629[16:25:46] <Scolar_Visari> Mmm, chewy
pancake goodness.
L630[16:26:15] <UmbralRaptor> Mind the
propellers.
L631[16:26:17] <APlayer> *** This channel
is currently down for maintenance. Please come back in a few
minutes, while we are extracting a user.. err, a stuck
username***
L632[16:27:14] *
Scolar_Visari ponders the similarities between Stellaris' sountrack
and that of 2013's Oblivion.
L633[16:27:21] <Althego> ok, i would be
satisfied with mechs too
L634[16:27:32] <Althego> at least there is
some research in that direction
L635[16:27:39] <Althego> i dont even
understand why they are pushing i
L636[16:27:39] <Althego> t
L637[16:27:45] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
We're sort of on the way to power armor, but not BattleMechs.
That'll take a few centuries.
L638[16:27:54] <Althego> yes power
armor
L639[16:27:59] <Althego> that is ok
too
L640[16:28:11] <Scolar_Visari> Power armor
has some utility, even if it's not actually armored. Very handy for
long foot patrols.
L641[16:28:19] <Althego> but you know,
there are multiple companies pushing it
L642[16:28:19] <VanDisaster> battlemechs
are a stupid idea though :p
L643[16:28:21] <Scolar_Visari> Also useful
for loading ordinance.
L644[16:28:25] <Althego> in multiple
countries
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L646[16:28:38] <Scolar_Visari>
VanDisaster: I dare you to say that while looking down the AC-20 of
an Atlas.
L647[16:28:53] <Althego> the whole idea
works until humans are superseded by robots
L648[16:29:26] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: I
don't think many are seriously entertaining the idea of full
robotic replacement, even for the narrow confines of aerial combat,
in the near future.
L649[16:29:32] <APlayer> Wouldn't any mech
be 100% vulnerable to EMPs?
L650[16:29:42] <Althego> faraday
cage
L651[16:29:52] <bees> not if it is build
on vacuum lamps
L652[16:29:59] <bees> (that would explain
human pilot too)
L653[16:30:10] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
EMP's not really a thing outside of nuclear weapons and geomagnetic
storms, and military hardware is already hardened or has the option
of automatic deactivation to avoid damage.
L654[16:30:11] <Althego> yes, electron
tube poered battlemech
L655[16:30:14] <Althego> with nixie tube
displays
L656[16:30:17] <Althego> want it
L657[16:30:38] <Scolar_Visari>
Interestingly, the normal EMP-effect range of a nuclear bomb is
comfortably close to the incineration range!
L658[16:30:59] <Scolar_Visari> You won't
have to worry about losing power because your atoms have lost the
chemical bonds connecting them.
L659[16:31:16] <Althego> no, i paid for
those bonds :)
L660[16:31:57] <APlayer> My bondwidth
should be big enough for that
L661[16:32:01] <Scolar_Visari> You are
welcome to visit a replicator with proof of pruchase of said bonds.
However, you can only have the price *or* position of your
electrons.
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L663[16:32:14] <Althego> hehe
L664[16:33:00] <Scolar_Visari> If you so
wish, you can also replace your electrons with a corresponding
number of positrons free of charge.
L665[16:33:19] <APlayer> "Positrons
free of charge"
L666[16:33:21] <Althego> free of charge? i
want them to be charged
L667[16:33:28] <APlayer> I wonder if that
was intended
L668[16:34:21] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
Well, it is an exchange with a net charge of zero after the
exchange is finished. I've been told our customers find it quite
illuminating . . . For a brief moment.
L669[16:34:40] <Althego> hehe
L670[16:36:29] <APlayer> Get them some
anti-customers for even more illumination
L671[16:36:37] <N70> APlayer, like the
1.4.1 kerbalism?
L672[16:36:46] <tawny> here's a new
startup idea for y'all
L673[16:36:48] <tawny> the bondchain
L674[16:37:11] <APlayer> N70: I am
terribly sorry, but I have not installed 1.4.1 yet. I am still
organising and moving the other mods
L675[16:37:11] <tawny> whenever you need
more chemical bonds, you simply extract them from the internet
through a few simple calculations and put them wherever you need
them
L676[16:37:16] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
Indeed. Like matter cannot occupy the same space, as the Time Cop
documentary illustarted.
L677[16:37:17] <N70> oh ok
L678[16:37:18] <APlayer> But I will check
it out ASAP!
L679[16:37:52] <Scolar_Visari> tawny:
Chemical bond mining is rather pricey though, electricity wise. I
can't imagine how many GPUs it would take to process the positions
of electrons within a single organ.
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L681[16:38:19] <tawny> that's what the
cloud is for!
L682[16:38:29] <Scolar_Visari> The cloud!
THE CLOUD!
L683[16:39:21] *
Scolar_Visari dusts off the term from the Bin of Discarded
Buzzwords. "Hey, look, "Outside the Box" is in
here!"
L684[16:39:41] <APlayer> The charge
cloud?
L685[16:40:07] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer:
Probably a cloud.
L686[16:40:23] <Scolar_Visari> I'm not
entirely positive.
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L688[16:41:20] <Althego> i read a scifi
novel where on some alien planet there was a collective something
left behind, made out of flying y shaped things. on its own they
are not much, but together they formed a cloud that could do really
dangerous things
L689[16:41:51] <Scolar_Visari> Wait . . .
The microbots from Big Hero 6?
L690[16:41:59] <Althego> long before
that
L691[16:42:08] <Scolar_Visari> Well that's
what interdimensional portals leads to.
L692[16:42:21] <Scolar_Visari> Or when,
rather. Or if.
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speed of an electron by using a dowsing rod.
L699[16:47:32] <Althego> just as they can
do with the position of anything else
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