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L28[03:59:25] <CsJHUN> yo kerbins and
kerbinas
L29[03:59:42] <CsJHUN> anyone here to help
on a noob question?
L30[04:00:38] <CsJHUN> in career mode i
dont get any contracts. Is this because the "custom"
difficult?
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L32[04:01:19] <Althego> shouldnt be
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L34[04:01:31] <Althego> literally zero
contracts?
L35[04:02:02] <CsJHUN> yep, 0. try to make
some "flea jump", rover rides, nothing, installed some
contract mod, no success
L36[04:02:41] <CsJHUN> is this could be a
Steam issue?
L37[04:02:51] <Althego> did you look in the
mission control building?
L38[04:03:04] <CsJHUN> yep
L39[04:03:25] <CsJHUN> anyone else faced
this issue before? reinstall could help?
L40[04:03:55] <Althego> the games has
nothing to do with steam, steam just installs it
L41[04:04:15] <Althego> i havent heard of
this yet
L42[04:05:17] <CsJHUN> well then i try to
reinstall. Thanks @Althego have fun and blast for you and for
eveyone :D
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L49[04:48:04] <agwamoose> ive been having a
few issues with my game it keeps crashing,, if i can send the crash
reports can you check it out for me please?, tell me where the
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L58[06:13:29] <Althego> hehe
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L74[06:40:45] <Mat2ch> hehehehe
L75[06:46:52] <APlayer> Hi there!
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L80[07:10:34] <Oracle989> Anyone have good
info on Isp for an Estes E9 motor?
L81[07:14:32] <Oracle989> I'm curious the
dV that could be imparted to a 100g vehicle by said motor
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L85[07:25:26] <Oracle989> I have two
questions about stupid orbits.
L86[07:25:37] <Oracle989> 1) what is the
lowest orbit, air drag aside, that you could complete without
accidentally lithobraking?
L87[07:25:43] <Oracle989> 2) how fast, with
air drag, would you have to release a payload to complete that
orbit?
L88[07:25:58] <Oracle989> Assuming you
design the payload well for its speed
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L93[07:27:39] <Fluburtur> the base paint on
my canadair is almost done, I just have to do another coard of
yellow
L94[07:27:51] <Fluburtur> then I will do
the details and crap that make it look nice
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L111[07:31:12] <Oracle989> Hmm. I can't
find any data for the great circle route with the lowest max
elevation
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L116[07:36:59] <darsie> Oracle989: Just
one round trip? If you don't go over the equator terrain will be
different every orbit. You may get some periodicity but you won't
get it exactly periodic.
L117[07:37:22] <Oracle989> darsie, One
trip
L118[07:37:31] <Oracle989> One trip,
Vasily. One trip only
L119[07:38:29] <darsie> I wish the map was
more reliable, so when you see your trajectory it was free of
obstacles.
L120[07:38:45] <Oracle989> Oh I mean on
Earth
L121[07:38:46] <Oracle989> Not
Kerbin
L122[07:39:17] <darsie> By plane?
L123[07:39:24] <Oracle989> Ballistic
projectile
L124[07:39:28] <darsie> hmm
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L126[07:39:51] <Oracle989> Bonus points if
you stick the landing at ground level at the release site
L127[07:40:17] <darsie> Are you shooting
one orbit?
L128[07:40:25] <Oracle989> Actually,
sticking the landing is an interesting complication
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L130[07:40:55] <Oracle989> Clearing the
highest point AND returning to ground at the release point is...far
from trivial
L131[07:41:21] <Oracle989> darsie, Yeah, I
figure one orbit is a fair target since this probably isn't getting
over 2km or so
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L133[07:41:44] <Oracle989> The lowest
great circle I found skirts past New England and Western Australia
over the north side of Alaska
L134[07:41:58] <Oracle989> Which should
put the highest point around 3-4k feet
L135[07:42:47] <darsie> What kind of
projectile goes one orbit through the air on Earth with apoapsis of
1 km?
L136[07:43:01] <Oracle989> A very fast,
very hot one
L137[07:43:31] <Oracle989> Doing it with
active propulsion is boring
L138[07:43:37] <Oracle989> Add rocket
until you go around
L139[07:43:42] <Oracle989> Doing it
ballistically is EXCITING
L140[07:43:46] <darsie> Any real material
would melt, IMO.
L141[07:44:24] <Oracle989> I'm not
sure.
L142[07:44:39] <Oracle989> You might be
able to get away with enough thermal barrier to make one lap
L143[07:44:41] <darsie> Pencil shaped? How
do you keep it pointing prograde?
L144[07:45:32] <Oracle989> What shape is
stable at this insane speed?
L145[07:45:43] <Oracle989> I'd wager a
guess we're talking well north of Mach 10
L146[07:45:56] <darsie> Hmm, Pencil with
fins.
L147[07:46:11] <Oracle989> Too much fin
means we need more speed though
L148[07:46:23] <Oracle989> Too little and
I bet we tumble
L149[07:46:35] <Oracle989> We may actually
need variable geometry to stick the landing since we have such a
range of speeds
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L151[07:53:28] <TheUnamusedFox> Umm. Is
creating embedded imgur albums broken on the forums again? Now it
just links directly to an image with the album code, without
embedding, rather than the album...
L152[07:53:56] <Oracle989> Hmm, apparently
as a rule of thumb you can't really go farther than about 30,000
times your own length, ballistically
L153[07:54:07] <Oracle989> So this will
need to be a very large dart
L154[07:54:14] <Oracle989> I'm starting to
think this is impractical
L155[07:54:28] <Oracle989> In atmosphere,
that is
L156[07:55:28] <Oracle989> You CAN beat it
with advanced materials and stupid velocity, but...I mean, yeah,
darsie's right, this thing's gonna melt
L157[07:57:21] <darsie> Maybe it can be
made of ablative heat shield material and some portion will
survive.
L158[07:58:11] <darsie> But the fins would
erode and then it tumbles and breaks up.
L159[07:58:31] <Oracle989> I don't believe
sticking the landing is possible, you'll get too slow
L160[07:59:02] <Oracle989> You may be able
to get your dart going fast enough to pass over its release point
though, with enough ablative materials, thermal barriers, and
speed
L161[07:59:59] <Oracle989> Though I'm not
sure what could launch it fast enough to do that in the first
place. Maybe a long run-up in space and aerocapture it?
L162[08:00:08] <Oracle989> I feel like
you'd just blow on by
L163[08:00:23] <Oracle989> Leaving an
extremely bright trail and a long scorch mark
L164[08:01:46] <Oracle989> Anyways, time
to vanish and think about this later
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L167[08:04:41] <kmath> YouTube - Kerbal
Weapons Program #9 - Stealth Wing
L168[08:04:48] <Fluburtur> the king is
back!
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L173[08:18:37] <Althego> no, neither elvis
nor jacko sing anymore
L174[08:19:17] <darsie> I also believe
with the speed required it would escape to space. If it's slow
enough to stay below 1 km it won't make orbit.
L175[08:19:56] <darsie> just launching it
horizontally would make it escape to space. Unless it has
aerodynamics that keep it down.
L176[08:20:13] <darsie> For you need much
more than orbital speed.
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L179[08:26:17] <taniwha> darn it, NOW I
discover the smelter has an emissive shader :P
http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot4247.png
L180[08:26:27] <taniwha> (almost 5 years
later :P)
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L184[09:27:35] <danman> hey guys
L185[09:27:40] <darsie> hey guy
L186[09:29:20] <danman> i remember being
able to set my vhicles down gENTLY on the runway, instead of having
it drop like it does normally. i think it involved pausing physics
but it was so long ago i cant remember. anyone know abouy
this?
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L190[09:31:48] <danman> guess ill take
that as a no lol
L191[09:32:30] <taniwha> danman: KJR,
maybe
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L193[09:32:44] <danman> im assuming thats
a mod
L194[09:32:49] <taniwha> yes
L195[09:32:51] <danman> kk
L196[09:32:58] <taniwha> kerbal joint
reenforcement
L197[09:33:22] <danman> yes, i remember
this
L199[09:33:41] <danman> not what i had in
mind tho.. but my work
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L204[09:55:38] <Alanonzander> Is something
up with spacedisk?
L205[09:55:43] <Alanonzander> SpaceDock
that is
L206[09:56:08] <TheKosmonaut> You mean
besides the usual?
L207[09:56:20] <Alanonzander> it is slower
than usual today :/
L208[09:57:12] <Alanonzander> 12.6K
download. Checked my connection I've got 12+Mb connection at the
moment
L209[09:57:45] <TheKosmonaut> Hm
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L241[13:05:02] <Draconiator> Why do solar
panels have the worst effect on performance?
L242[13:06:23] <Mathuin> By performance,
do you mean vessel performance or computer performance?
L243[13:07:24] <Draconiator>
computer
L244[13:09:17] <Mathuin> That I don't
konw.
L245[13:09:42] <Mathuin> I'm annoyed that
'PANELS ON.' on a vessel with the cheapest stock panels hidden
behind a fairing causes those panels to stop being able to
work.
L246[13:09:52] <Mathuin> Different problem
with panels, though.
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L253[13:36:27] <danman> hey guys
L254[13:37:17] <danman> hod to i isolate
engines and tanks so that i can tell certain engines ONLY to burn
from certain tanks?
L255[13:37:36] <danman> how do*
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L257[13:38:31] <lordcirth> danman, well,
you can put crossfeed-blocking parts between them?
L258[13:38:49] <lordcirth> Draconiator,
perhaps NFE's wraparound panels could reduce your part count?
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L260[13:39:30] <danman> thayts a thought,
i guess. id prefer something better than a workaround tho..
L261[13:40:04] <danman> you would think i
could set tanks feeds to toggle with custom action set.. but
nope
L262[13:44:14] <Mathuin> That sounds like
a job for SmartParts
L263[13:44:17] <Gasher> also you can
disable crossfeed on some parts
L264[13:44:38] <Gasher> wait, i think you
can set that on action groups
L265[13:46:04] <lordcirth> Hey, so I know
that dv tends to scale at sqrt when you scale up the solar system,
what about travel time?
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L284[14:49:38] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
Hello
L285[14:49:39] <Mod9000> Hello,
SpacePlaneArchitect
L286[14:49:50] <SpacePlaneArchitect> Are
you a bot?
L287[14:50:29] <SpacePlaneArchitect> Is
anyone here?
L288[14:50:33] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
Hello
L289[14:50:35] <Mod9000> Hello,
SpacePlaneArchitect
L290[14:50:36] <Alanonzander> Hello
L291[14:50:36] <Mod9000> Hello,
Alanonzander
L292[14:50:52] <SpacePlaneArchitect> So he
is a bot
L293[14:50:55] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
lol
L294[14:51:09] <snow> there are people
here, but yes, that's a bot :-)
L295[14:51:15] <Alanonzander> hehehe
L296[14:51:36] <SpacePlaneArchitect> Have
you ever built a giant boat?
L297[14:51:40] <SpacePlaneArchitect> in
KSP
L298[14:51:49] <Althego> just smaller
ones, and some submarines
L299[14:52:01] <SpacePlaneArchitect> And i
built a big one
L300[14:52:02] <Mathuin> I haven't built
any intentional watercraft, mostly because I wouldn't know how to
get them in the water without "deploying" them from a
suborbital launch.
L301[14:52:04] <Althego> boatds dont work
very well, they consume too much fuel
L302[14:52:24] *
Alanonzander has tried to build a submersible, but it keeps
flipping over :(
L303[14:52:34] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
Rip
L304[14:53:01] <SpacePlaneArchitect> And i
built an Boat, that was intended to be a submarine
L305[14:53:43] <SpacePlaneArchitect> It
had a cargo bay, in wich i put an dock
L306[14:54:04] <SpacePlaneArchitect> So
cargo dock is a good description
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L308[14:54:44] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
AL
L309[14:55:03] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
Althego, go download some mods
L310[14:55:15] <Althego> np
L311[14:55:16] <Althego> no
L312[14:55:21] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
Why?
L313[14:55:22] <Althego> especially not
now
L314[14:55:28] <Althego> 1.4 is
coming
L315[14:55:36] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
Yay...?
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L317[14:55:45] <SpacePlaneArchitect> What
will they add?
L318[14:55:52] <Alanonzander> When is 1.4
coming out
L319[14:55:59] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
Idk
L320[14:56:02] <Althego> i think it should
be the same time as the expansion
L321[14:56:11] <Althego> because some
parts are moved to the core game
L322[14:56:30] <Althego> and some 2 weeks
left
L323[14:56:58] <SpacePlaneArchitect> Do
you know how to make a station ALWAYS turn to the planet its
orbiting?
L324[14:57:23] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
Althego
L325[14:57:36] <SpacePlaneArchitect> Do
you know how to make a station ALWAYS turn to the planet its
orbiting?
L326[14:57:55] <Althego> 13th of march,
less than 2 weeks remaining
L327[14:58:12] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
Hello?
L328[14:58:13] <Althego> lock
radial?
L329[14:58:21] <Althego> use persistent
rotation?
L330[14:58:34] <SpacePlaneArchitect> Im
kinda new to using SAS
L331[14:58:51] <SpacePlaneArchitect> So i
dont know how to use
L332[14:58:52] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
it
L333[14:58:56] <SpacePlaneArchitect> Hang
on
L334[14:59:06] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
lol
L335[14:59:10] <SpacePlaneArchitect> Now i
know how to
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L337[15:01:05] <Mathuin> It's super
overkill, but kOS would do that nicely.
L338[15:01:40] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
KoS?
L339[15:01:45] <SpacePlaneArchitect> Kill
on Sight?
L340[15:01:48] <Mathuin> Kerbal Operating
System.
L341[15:01:52] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
Oh
L342[15:02:12] <Mathuin> Write code in
kerboscript. You can lock steering in a particular orientation
pretty easily.
L343[15:02:13] <SpacePlaneArchitect> Im
going to build an orbital artillery station
L344[15:02:20] <Mathuin> I use it for
automating launches and missions.
L345[15:03:07] <SpacePlaneArchitect> And
then attempt to launch it
L346[15:03:18] <SpacePlaneArchitect> If i
cant, ill use HyperEdit
L347[15:03:29] <Mathuin> That's definitely
one way to solve the problem.
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L350[15:04:50] <lordcirth> I love
Strategia, and I like SETI Contracts, but they overlap a lot
L351[15:05:05] <lordcirth> Also SETI
forces Mun first
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L353[15:05:55] <SpacePlaneArchitect>
Bye!
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L355[15:07:12] <Mathuin> The only thing I
liked about the SETI stuff was unmanned-before-manned
L357[15:07:21] <Mathuin> That plus Probe
Control Room made the game feel more "realistic"
L358[15:07:24] <Mathuin> In a way I
liked.
L359[15:07:33] <Mathuin> But PCR stopped
being fun with kOS so I ditched all of that.
L360[15:08:56] <lordcirth> Mathuin, yeah,
I always install unmanned-before-manned when playing with life
support
L361[15:09:24] <lordcirth> SETI Contracts
is made to go with it, so it treats manned and unmanned separately
more than stock does
L362[15:09:56] <lordcirth> I need to try
to take out a few mods, though. I'm at 70+
L363[15:10:19] <Mathuin> I stripped down
pretty far. For testing kOS code, I have a just-kOS-and-MM
install.
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L366[15:18:28] <lordcirth> Yeah, I'm
testing some cfgs now with only a few right now
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L372[15:40:16] <lordcirth> Ok, down to
59
L373[15:40:57] <lordcirth> Anyone have
recommendations for mods that go with a Sigma Dimensions 4x scale
Kerbalism career?
L374[15:43:54] <Ezko> 4x scale universe?
sounds like a cool size
L375[15:44:11] <Ezko> gotta try that i
think
L376[15:49:36] <lordcirth> It's great.
Make sure to install, well, most of Nertea's stuff
L377[15:50:01] <lordcirth> NF Launch
Vehicles for big enough first stages, and CryoEngines for better
upper/space stages
L378[15:56:08] <lordcirth> Ezko, my Sigma
settings are: Resize = 4, Rescale = 4, Atmosphere = 1.25
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L380[16:04:46] <Draconiator> Is it
possible to put a liquid layer on Jool to simulate something like
metallic hydrogen?
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L382[16:07:27] <lordcirth> I thought
metallic H was supposed to be solid?
L383[16:09:45] <lordcirth> What's the mod
that shows what mod parts are from in VAB?
L384[16:09:59] <lordcirth> When you roll
over them in the parts list
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L387[16:28:18] <Mathuin> I don't recall
but I have it. :-(
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L391[16:57:31] <lordcirth> *sigh* my
science is sinking into the ocean
L392[17:16:46] <darsie> Are you
researching the deep sea?
L393[17:24:35] <lordcirth> Not on
purpose
L394[17:24:57] <lordcirth> My first space
return capsule hit sea and has been sinking very slowly on 4x warp
for half an hour now
L395[17:25:00] <lordcirth> I can't recover
it
L396[17:25:13] <lordcirth> "Moving
over the surface"
L397[17:25:49] <lordcirth> ahah! hacked
gravity to 0 and it finally stood still. Hate having to use
cheats
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L399[17:26:17] <lordcirth> I won't be able
to do that again, once I have things in orbit
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L403[17:35:12] <darsie> Recover it?
L404[17:35:23] <darsie> Hmm, only at the
surface, I guess.
L405[17:36:11] <darsie> EVA and collect
science?
L407[17:37:27] <Mathuin> I'm surprised you
had a capsule with a density sufficient to sink.
L408[17:37:29] <Mathuin> All my crap
floats.
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L410[17:44:18] <lordcirth> Mathuin, the
early SETI probe core is 0.625m size, but normal mass for balance.
Plus a heat shield.
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L412[17:44:53] <Mathuin> That'll do
it
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L416[18:12:08] <ehs> Hey, are there
restrictions on when flag missions can spawn that aren't indicated
in the contracts spec file? I set up bases on Mun and Minmus with
the intent of farming flag contracts, and haven't seen one since
(after a year or so of game time).
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L419[18:22:09] <Mathuin> "flag
missions"?
L420[18:24:21] <ehs> Contracts to
"plant flag on the Mun" or whatnot.
L421[18:27:30] <Mathuin> I don't think
I've ever gotten one for a place I've been.
L422[18:30:16] <ehs> I'm pretty sure I
have, but I might be wrong.
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L434[19:04:39] <taniwha> you do get flag
missions for places you have been
L435[19:04:57] <taniwha> I think there
might be restrictions on there being kerbals on the surface
L436[19:05:17] <taniwha> (so if you have a
base, you are much less likely to get a flag mission, if at
all)
L437[19:06:12] <ehs> taniwha: Bah. :-( I
suppose I'll have to think about bringing those kerbals home, then.
Flags are lucrative when I'm landing for science anyway.
L438[19:06:41] <taniwha> I did get
contracts while in orbit of the body, though :)
L439[19:09:21] <taniwha> ehs: however,
tourist contracts tend to be very lucrative
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L452[20:16:21] *
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rules-compliant
L453[20:18:44] <Oracle989> We can't talk
about flat-earth here?
L454[20:18:46] <Oracle989> ABSURD!
L455[20:18:55] <Oracle989> You spheroid
shills!
L456[20:21:22] <Draconiator> Our heads are
round too, unlike you flatheads. :P
L457[20:22:57] <Oracle989> If Earth is
round, how did they land on the moon? It'd be spinning around it,
they wouldn't know if they needed to go up or down
L458[20:22:58] <Oracle989> Dug
L459[20:23:00] <Oracle989> Duh*
L460[20:26:27] <TheKosmonaut> There are
flat Earth supporters all around the globe
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L477[22:30:14] <Draconiator> Actually, I
landed smack in the middle of one of the frozen lakes on
Minmus....and it would be an AMAZING tool to debunk a flat globe.
I'ma make a video of it.
L478[22:36:54] <ConductorCat> Everyone
knows the Moon landing was filmed on Mars.
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