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L29[01:42:59] <Draconiator> Heh, pretty simple speedboat. https://gyazo.com/f6b78e9a055aa6562d2aba05ada6af9e
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L64[05:23:22] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/0c2ba3305e9d18631a4cc103a9255889/tumblr_inline_mibuna4Uxj1qz4rgp.jpg
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L68[06:14:06] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/416205966699134977/historical_photo.png
L69[06:26:17] <Mat2ch> hm, no elevator?
L70[06:26:28] <Fluburtur> v tail
L71[06:26:45] <Mat2ch> ah
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L81[07:53:40] <ZooNamedGames> Someone should contact Sabien, as my install of KSP is confused; I'm getting Nyan cats and it's only the 22nd of Feburary.
L82[07:54:45] <Draconiator> lol
L83[07:54:54] <Althego> hehehe
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L85[07:56:30] <Draconiator> I'm still not sure if they come from KSP itself or a mod.
L86[07:56:48] <ZooNamedGames> it's from Module Manager
L87[07:57:14] <ZooNamedGames> However they are *supposed* to only appear on April Fools
L88[07:58:01] <ZooNamedGames> Apparently their clocks are off as they're flying 37 days early
L89[08:03:14] <taniwha> might be something to do with 2/22
L90[08:03:32] <ZooNamedGames> maybe
L91[08:03:41] <NicknameHere> .nextlaunch
L92[08:03:41] <ZooNamedGames> but why not fly 1/11?
L93[08:03:42] <Nextlaunch2> Falcon 9 Full Thrust | PAZ & Microsat-2a, Microsat-2b - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p-PToD2URA - NET February 22, 2018 14:17:00 UTC - T-0:13:17
L94[08:03:42] <kmath> YouTube - PAZ Mission
L95[08:04:00] <ZooNamedGames> I was at the KSC for the FH launch
L96[08:04:04] <ZooNamedGames> quite a sight
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L98[08:06:46] <Mat2ch> No landing today :(
L99[08:07:58] <ZooNamedGames> shame
L100[08:08:02] <TheKosmonaut> Mat2ch: it's nice that we are in an age when it's weird to see expendable launched
L101[08:08:07] <TheKosmonaut> S*
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L103[08:08:30] <ZooNamedGames> I'm still skeptical of BFR
L104[08:08:39] <blaank> Should we make spacex webcast bingo?
L105[08:09:14] <ZooNamedGames> I've read too many historical concepts and plans that were being developed but hit roadblocks until they were just scrapped
L106[08:09:37] <ZooNamedGames> So until I see BFR on a launchpad, I just don't put much weight to it.
L107[08:09:45] <blaank> I wouldn't be suprised if they pull it off. If they can't do in-flight fuel transfer, it's getting scrapped.
L108[08:09:54] <blaank> It relies on that.
L109[08:10:18] <ZooNamedGames> It's also supposed to be reusable as well
L110[08:11:12] <blaank> They've demonstrated they can build stuff that can be reused. They have demonstrated propulsive landings. They haven't demonstrated in-orbit fuel transfer but there really isn't any in-between to be able to proof of concept that.
L111[08:11:16] <ZooNamedGames> and although SpaceX can land 66% of a Falcon Heavy, that's vastly different from a 20m(?) column that the BFR is supposed to be
L112[08:11:44] <TheKosmonaut> blaank: there have been fuel transfers in space before
L113[08:11:51] <blaank> BFR is more akin to a Falcon 9 FT than a Falcon Heavy.
L114[08:11:52] <TheKosmonaut> Just not at that scale
L115[08:11:53] <ZooNamedGames> Catch is they are scaling to behemoth scale
L116[08:12:03] <blaank> Yes, but SpaceX hasn't done it.
L117[08:12:22] <ZooNamedGames> Until I see it, I don't believe it
L118[08:12:32] <blaank> They already built the engines for it.
L119[08:12:47] <blaank> They have nothing else to put the engines on. They are committed and trying.
L120[08:13:08] <taniwha> ZooNamedGames: I doubt that Elon believes it until he sees it
L121[08:13:10] <blaank> If everything goes horribly wrong they could end up with a superheavy one use booster.
L122[08:14:28] <Fluburtur> I have the ksp music in background
L123[08:14:30] <ZooNamedGames> SLS is stupid, but at least most of the vehicle is built
L124[08:14:32] <Fluburtur> I was launching a plane
L125[08:14:59] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/416236413756112899/20180222151133_1.jpg
L126[08:15:07] <kuzetsa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p-PToD2URA <<< watching the spacex launch :)
L127[08:15:07] <kmath> YouTube - PAZ Mission
L128[08:17:03] <kuzetsa> oh, that was already lainked less than an hour ago. sorry.
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L130[08:18:36] <Draconiator> Are they landing that one?
L131[08:18:53] <ZooNamedGames> Don't think so
L132[08:20:42] <Mat2ch> TheKosmonaut: it is
L133[08:20:58] <Fluburtur> will they do the fairing thing on that one?
L134[08:21:00] <Mat2ch> also did you see the booster turning around? I guess they still try to control it for something
L135[08:21:08] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: yeah
L136[08:21:16] <Fluburtur> maybe another 3 engines burn test
L137[08:21:35] <Fluburtur> maybe another accidental landing
L138[08:22:25] <TheKosmonaut> So I've been working as a mechanic all week now.
L139[08:22:33] <TheKosmonaut> Does that mean I can apply at SpX?
L140[08:22:39] <Fluburtur> yes
L141[08:22:50] <TheKosmonaut> Experience: Disassembled a 2004 Range Rover without dying or breaking the vehicle.
L142[08:23:13] <Fluburtur> you are probably overqualified actually
L143[08:23:18] <TheKosmonaut> Knew it
L144[08:23:25] <Fluburtur> you forgot the kerbal factor
L145[08:24:15] <TheKosmonaut> "Once launched an entire Space Station to orbit in a single vehicle"
L146[08:24:32] <TheKosmonaut> "Thank you, Mr. Naut. What position are you applying for?"
L147[08:24:46] <TheKosmonaut> "Senior BFR design technician"
L148[08:24:55] <Fluburtur> first stage pilot
L149[08:25:40] <TheKosmonaut> wrong
L150[08:25:51] <TheKosmonaut> I am applying for the position of "First Stage"
L151[08:26:05] <Fluburtur> hope you will be reused
L152[08:27:18] <ZooNamedGames> I applied to be Starman. But this other shadey dude got selected instead
L153[08:27:38] <TheKosmonaut> ZooNamedGames: jeff bezos hasnt been seen publicly since FH launch
L154[08:27:52] <TheKosmonaut> Now, I am not saying that Elon Musk kidnapped Bezos and placed him in a space suit
L155[08:27:55] <TheKosmonaut> But...
L156[08:27:55] <ZooNamedGames> It'd be a fantastic way to go
L157[08:28:02] <ZooNamedGames> If he did
L158[08:28:07] <ZooNamedGames> no one would find the body!
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L160[08:32:15] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/8HslUzw35mc
L161[08:32:15] <kmath> YouTube - Homeopathy Explained – Gentle Healing or Reckless Fraud?
L162[08:33:00] <taniwha> Reckless? more like shameless.
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L166[08:39:06] <sirkut> heyo
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L182[09:23:52] <Althego> was there a launch?
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L185[09:26:19] <Althego> it seems there was
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L187[09:26:28] <Althego> i missed it by not too much
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L190[09:34:46] <Draconiator> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EstojiH7gQI
L191[09:34:46] <kmath> YouTube - Watching A Rocket Launch From 230 Miles Away
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L203[10:09:50] <Mat2ch> Scott is a fast cutter
L204[10:17:02] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: do not read the comments on that video. I got drain bamage
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L209[10:27:36] <Mat2ch> I like brain damage, so I'm going to read them
L210[10:29:53] <ve2dmn> The only reason I don't fell an unrelanting rage for homeopathy is that in most case it's as if you refused treatement...
L211[10:29:57] <Mat2ch> uh, the comments were ok...
L212[10:30:04] <Mat2ch> Oh, THAT video. :D
L213[10:30:53] <ve2dmn> Mat2ch: Rockets comment are using not inflammatory
L214[10:30:57] <Mat2ch> I saw that video, but I never watch anything about homeopathy, because it only tells me things I already know: It's not working better than a placebo. :D
L215[10:31:05] <ve2dmn> (They are a controlled explosion)
L216[10:32:16] <ve2dmn> Mat2ch: if you watch it, you might learn more specific numbers and the origin of the phenomenon... but the TL;DR is still the same: waste of $
L217[10:33:06] <ve2dmn> it's only harmfull in cases like Steve Jobs, where he initially refuse cancer treatement for some 'natural' treatement
L218[10:34:02] <Mat2ch> well, let's not talk about Jobs. I have a very strong disapproving opionion about him.
L219[10:34:31] <Mat2ch> I know already was D12 means and all the stuff. I don't want to learn more about it. It's useless knowledge for me :)
L220[10:34:56] <ve2dmn> What about 30C ?
L221[10:35:15] <ve2dmn> What about 30C *dillusion*?
L222[10:35:58] <Mat2ch> I don't want to know it :(
L223[10:36:23] <ve2dmn> 30 times *roman numeral C*
L224[10:36:36] <ve2dmn> so 100^30 dillusion
L225[10:36:42] <Mat2ch> yesterday I read an article about the memory of water (actually it was about how forgetful water is...). But it's in German
L226[10:37:02] <Mat2ch> Ok. I will not remember this.
L227[10:37:12] <ve2dmn> Kurtkezart is now available in german btw
L228[10:37:14] <Mat2ch> How many molecules are there in our galacxy btw?
L229[10:37:29] <Mat2ch> "kurzgesagt" :)
L230[10:37:36] <ve2dmn> sorry
L231[10:38:14] <ve2dmn> I kow French, English, some Spanish and some Brazillian portuguese, but german still escapes me
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L233[10:38:36] <Mat2ch> You don't have to apologize
L234[10:38:58] <ve2dmn> I could have copy-pasted the name, but I was lazy
L235[10:39:04] <Mat2ch> German is sometimes really hard. I keep forgetting the comma rules
L236[10:39:34] <Mat2ch> Well, actually, sometimes I add commas where there shouldn't be any ;)
L237[10:39:34] <ve2dmn> ALL HAIL THe COMMA! OUR RULER!
L238[10:40:07] <Mat2ch> it's actually pretty important in German, because you can make 900 word long sentences easily. But you will not be able to understand them without the commas
L239[10:40:29] <ve2dmn> true
L240[10:40:56] <ve2dmn> What was proto-german?
L241[10:41:08] <Mat2ch> well, most people will not be able to understand them with the commas, but...
L242[10:41:14] <Mat2ch> never heard of
L243[10:41:28] <Mat2ch> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Germanic_language Maybe this
L244[10:41:36] <ve2dmn> In the case of French, spanish and the like, it's Latin and Greek...
L245[10:42:02] <ve2dmn> In the case of Japanese, it's.... Japanese from befroe
L246[10:42:15] <Fluburtur> guess what happened https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/416273409278869504/DSC_8448.JPG
L247[10:42:34] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: disaster struck?
L248[10:42:42] <Fluburtur> not exactly disaster
L249[10:42:54] <Mat2ch> nothing some glue and tape can't fix ;)
L250[10:43:03] <Fluburtur> yeah will be flying tomorrow
L251[10:43:16] <Fluburtur> was doing some combat was my friend and I managed to collide with his plane
L252[10:43:30] <Mat2ch> you should add some struts. Some carbon fiber
L253[10:43:41] <Mat2ch> so, you lost? :D
L254[10:44:04] <Fluburtur> no I won
L255[10:44:26] <Fluburtur> well we both lost actually but his plane wasn't damaged at all
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L258[10:49:04] <Mat2ch> I'd call this a loss. :D
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L261[10:49:27] <Fluburtur> well it is combat
L262[10:49:34] <Fluburtur> I brought it down so he lost
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L265[10:59:53] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/44q8chMxQhg?t=88
L266[10:59:53] <kmath> YouTube - paf
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L270[11:18:27] <Draconiator> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea-Poo9Cx9Q - Filmed and edited myself....filmed it with a 9 year old point and shoot digital camera
L271[11:18:27] <kmath> YouTube - Humanity on the Internet
L272[11:19:02] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/H-Epwb0G5vE?t=95
L273[11:19:02] <kmath> YouTube - 2014 0121 040735 081
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L275[11:22:27] <blaank> What did you do?
L276[11:22:44] <Fluburtur> collided two planes together
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L282[11:37:51] <Althego> 2014?
L283[11:38:07] <Fluburtur> my camera doesn't know the date
L284[11:38:17] <Althego> at least change the title from the default upload name
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L286[11:42:23] <Althego> https://www.instagram.com/p/BfgRX-lgIt6/
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L295[12:07:10] <rockethead6509> ok, complete newbie, looking for help about postings on ksp forums
L296[12:07:45] <rockethead6509> question: how do you pick thread to post question to if thread says is rather old consider creating new
L297[12:08:33] <rockethead6509> i would rather post to a thread that at least listed the problem
L298[12:09:20] <Althego> i dont use the forums so i cant help you with that
L299[12:09:33] <Althego> but many others do, somebody will surely reply
L300[12:09:51] <rockethead6509> do you mod ksp althego?
L301[12:10:04] <Althego> nor really
L302[12:10:09] <Althego> only ker
L303[12:10:24] <rockethead6509> ?
L304[12:10:41] <Althego> or what do you mean by mod
L305[12:10:51] <rockethead6509> create mods, sorry
L306[12:10:55] <Althego> no
L307[12:12:24] <rockethead6509> ok, i can only assume this is like any other chat room, but there are alot of names on the right listing for so little activity
L308[12:12:54] <Althego> people often complain that it is not active
L309[12:13:02] <Althego> but i think it is quite active
L310[12:13:42] <rockethead6509> so far, you and i are the only ones talking
L311[12:14:20] <Althego> while i was not listening they talked a lot
L312[12:14:43] <rockethead6509> idk, i haven't been in a chat room in a while
L313[12:15:01] <Althego> and you are not even know. this is a channel :)
L314[12:15:21] <rockethead6509> ok, see, what is a channel vs a chat room?
L315[12:15:30] <Althego> the same :)
L316[12:15:37] <rockethead6509> lol
L317[12:16:14] <Althego> most other chat programs call them rooms. irc calls them channels
L318[12:16:37] <rockethead6509> is the list on the right a list of currently logged on or just list of members?
L319[12:16:51] <Althego> currently online
L320[12:17:04] <Althego> irc doesnt cache people. unless they use some external tool like a bouncer
L321[12:17:41] <rockethead6509> so, they have to be purposefully connected to the channel?
L322[12:17:54] <Althego> doesnt mean they are also listening to what is happening here
L323[12:18:39] <rockethead6509> meaning, they have it up in browser/irc but might be off doing something else?
L324[12:18:47] <Althego> obviously
L325[12:18:56] <rockethead6509> lol
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L327[12:22:20] <mlemos97> hello there
L328[12:23:03] <rockethead6509> thanks, Althego
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L330[12:27:12] <ve2dmn> rockethead6509: like me. I'm sitting at work, dreaming about being back home playing Stellaris
L331[12:27:20] <Althego> hehe
L332[12:27:31] <Althego> and when i am in work, you are still sleeping
L333[12:27:54] <ve2dmn> Althego: joke's on you, I have insomnia
L334[12:46:28] <ve2dmn> Btw, the new Stellaris expansion came out today... can't wait to get back home
L335[12:57:56] <rockethead6509> hehe
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L345[13:06:00] <Guest98884> hello
L346[13:06:02] <Mod9000> Hello, Guest98884
L347[13:06:37] <Guest98884> can you help me with something in remote tech?
L348[13:06:54] <Guest98884> Sorry for my poor english :)
L349[13:07:47] <kubi> sure
L350[13:08:14] <Guest98884> after install I lost the singnal conection
L351[13:08:20] <Guest98884> in the upper left
L352[13:08:33] <Guest98884> Can I show it again?
L353[13:08:40] <kubi> do you have a saved game and you have installed RT in the middle?
L354[13:09:00] <Guest98884> Yes
L355[13:09:10] <Guest98884> :(
L356[13:09:11] <kubi> so, you have started without RT, then installed
L357[13:09:14] <kubi> well :)
L358[13:09:21] <kubi> you can use the cheats menu
L359[13:09:22] <Guest98884> $$$#%$%$%@#$#4
L360[13:09:26] <Guest98884> :)
L361[13:09:52] <kubi> try to turn on control without connection for those crafts where you really need
L362[13:10:28] <kubi> this might be a workaround
L363[13:10:39] <Guest98884> If I stat a new game I can see it?
L364[13:10:50] <kubi> sure, a new game will work
L365[13:11:02] <kubi> of course, you will need antenna on the craft :)
L366[13:11:11] <kubi> an line of sight connectivity
L367[13:11:16] <kubi> etc
L368[13:11:19] <Guest98884> :) of corse
L369[13:11:24] <kubi> but do not need to restart
L370[13:11:29] <kubi> just launch a new craft
L371[13:11:45] <kubi> it will have the antenna and RT module
L372[13:12:22] <Guest98884> I will start a new game and test
L373[13:12:28] <Guest98884> thanks
L374[13:12:41] <kubi> you can install KIS/KAS and repair all of your crafts with an engineer :)
L375[13:12:54] <Guest98884> I have it
L376[13:13:15] <kubi> so then just pretend that the antenna is broken and send an engineer
L377[13:13:27] <Guest98884> the only mode I dont have the i start is RT and mechjeb
L378[13:14:56] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/1JfUD15tYSk
L379[13:14:56] <kmath> YouTube - DSC 8442
L380[13:15:06] <Guest98884> Thanks Kubi
L381[13:18:14] <Draconiator> https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/330d1658-e92f-3965-863f-92c97ae8c647/ss_zubrin-fixes-the-drake.html
L382[13:18:53] <Draconiator> Ooops.
L383[13:19:09] <Draconiator> Real link here, not Yahoo link: https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/02/zubrin-fixes-the-drake-equation-to-allow-for-interstellar-travel-and-biosphere-reboots.html
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L385[13:25:11] * Sarbian grabs some popcorn before things gets more intense
L386[13:33:14] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4OmVLc_oDw
L387[13:33:15] <kmath> YouTube - Ball and Plate PID control with 6 DOF Stewart platform
L388[13:33:37] <Althego> ah yes
L389[13:34:35] <Althego> he can change the setpoint too
L390[13:34:54] <Althego> the circle control is nice
L391[13:35:05] <Althego> can even do eights
L392[13:35:23] <Althego> must have worked on it for a while
L393[13:35:25] <Althego> i know i did
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L395[13:42:46] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Everything's gone down hill since they introduced that General Relativity update ot Universe Build v1.919!
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L397[13:44:50] * Scolar_Visari preferred the Newton release.
L398[13:45:32] <Althego> hehe
L399[13:45:38] <Althego> you mean our universe?
L400[13:46:20] <Scolar_Visari> Yes! What's up with this manifold of space-time nonsense!?
L401[13:46:28] <Scolar_Visari> It used to be I could exceed the speed of light!
L402[13:46:34] <Althego> hehe
L403[13:46:53] <Althego> tachyons can still go fatser
L404[13:46:58] <Althego> ok, nobody has detected one
L405[13:47:40] <Scolar_Visari> They shouldn't exist under the current build. We'll have to wait for the Ansible update.
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L408[13:53:37] <rockethead6509> hello, all, I was hoping to find some help with mod development
L409[13:54:03] <Scolar_Visari> Hm . . . Huh . . .
L410[13:54:23] <Scolar_Visari> " Gaia earth, if there is such a thing, has brought humans here to help save the planet from ice-ball earth. The earth has been heading for ice-ball earth for the last million years. Just look at the following chart. Thank God for humans who are making the earth habitable again. The Carbon dioxide levels were getting precipitously low."
L411[13:54:47] <Althego> heh
L412[13:55:10] <Sarbian> rockethead6509, parts or code ?
L413[13:55:21] <rockethead6509> part animation
L414[13:55:25] <Scolar_Visari> I think I've found something worse than Robert Zubrin's argument "for" global warming.
L415[13:55:47] <rockethead6509> can't get animation to transfer from unity
L416[13:55:53] <Sarbian> can't help then :( did you try the https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/forum/15-modelling-and-texturing-discussion/ ?
L417[13:56:35] <rockethead6509> thanks sarbian, been there most of the day. lol, was hoping for some active interaction
L418[13:57:07] <Sarbian> the irc modding chans are mostly dead. You could try discord
L419[13:57:22] <Althego> dont mind that one of the biggest extinction event was caused by global warming
L420[13:57:54] <Fluburtur> what about the one wehn oxygen level in atmo raised
L421[13:58:36] <rockethead6509> before that althego, it was the release of oxygen into the atomsphere by anerobic resperation
L422[13:58:44] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur: The indigenous, obligate anaerobs were very upset when that happened.
L423[13:59:13] <rockethead6509> lol, fluburtur beat me to it
L424[13:59:25] <Scolar_Visari> "Too much oxygen! Cough, cough . . . CAN'T BREATHE!"
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L427[14:00:53] <Fluburtur> bwoop
L428[14:01:01] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: There's also a rather, ah, simplistic assumption that globam warming = a barely noticeable change in temperatures. Like climate's not some sort of complicated thing.
L429[14:01:07] <transitbiker> so the mk3 capsule has some graphic on it that reminds me of the weyland yutani logo
L430[14:01:25] <Fluburtur> transitbiker look https://youtu.be/44q8chMxQhg?t=88
L431[14:01:25] <transitbiker> also: bwoop
L432[14:01:25] <kmath> YouTube - paf
L433[14:01:58] <Guest98884> Kubi ....
L434[14:02:18] * Scolar_Visari ponders inventing a device that would painfully and non-lethally (most of the time) electrocute people who claim that Mars has no atmosphere.
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L436[14:02:31] <Guest98884> need help again
L437[14:02:38] <kevlarballoons> smh i forgot to switch to controlling from docking port
L438[14:02:43] <kevlarballoons> that was painful but whatever
L439[14:02:48] <Fluburtur> kek
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L441[14:04:03] <Althego> what, who claims that?
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L443[14:04:20] <Fluburtur> flat earthers that think only the earth is flat maybe
L444[14:04:27] <Althego> yes
L445[14:04:28] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: Here in January : "it's -30C! Global warming my?%$/?$", Today: "It's raining in Febuary!! unreal! It's all because of global warming"...
L446[14:04:32] <Althego> those are really stupid
L447[14:04:41] <Althego> but at least not dangerous like anti vaccine people
L448[14:04:50] <Althego> yes those are americans
L449[14:05:02] <Althego> they happened to have a colder than average winter
L450[14:05:06] <Fluburtur> conspîracy peoples often have a collection of idiotic beliefs
L451[14:05:10] <Althego> everybody has warmer than average years
L452[14:05:21] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: Every time there's a news story about Mars, some one will claim Mars has no atmosphere.
L453[14:05:23] <Althego> everybody else
L454[14:05:32] <kevlarballoons> lmao i dont have a parachute
L455[14:05:34] <Althego> luckily never met these
L456[14:05:38] <ve2dmn> Althego: there was a cold spell, yes... but it's been unsually warm this week
L457[14:06:00] <Scolar_Visari> If pressed, they *might* correct themselves and say, "well it's nothing compared to Earth's!" ignoring that Mars' atmosphere, however relatively miniscule compared to Earth's, is still a lot more than an actual vacuum.
L458[14:06:04] <Guest98884> I start a new game in career mode. Made first untripuled ship with antennas and I see the conections sing .... I was very happy .... Then I revover the ship and launch it again and ....... conections sign dissapear :(
L459[14:06:42] <Althego> flat earther claim car tyres cant hold pressure in space, same for space suits (because the hyuuge pressure difference), rockets dont work in vacuum, gravity does not exist, etc
L460[14:06:47] <ve2dmn> Guest85785: screenshot?
L461[14:07:07] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: Oh there are non-flat Earth people who think rockets can't work in vacuum. There are even multiple YouTube videos to this effect.
L462[14:07:19] * Scolar_Visari cannot link such videos because of channel rules against language.
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L464[14:07:29] <Althego> they are literally from before the newton update :)
L465[14:07:33] <kevlarballoons> aight ayo
L466[14:07:39] <kevlarballoons> i survived reentry with a booster
L467[14:07:44] <Althego> most do
L468[14:08:05] <kevlarballoons> can't land with a 909 tho
L469[14:08:06] <kevlarballoons> so
L470[14:08:09] <kevlarballoons> bye jeb and val
L471[14:08:10] * Scolar_Visari mutters something about reactions for every reaction.
L472[14:08:24] <Althego> they just cant understand this
L473[14:08:30] <Althego> also conservation of momentum
L474[14:08:31] <kevlarballoons> can you land with rcs?
L475[14:08:45] <kevlarballoons> flat earthers don't understand gravity either
L476[14:08:48] <ve2dmn> kevlarballoons: depends on weight
L477[14:08:50] <Althego> how is this even possible? how did they pass basic physics classes?
L478[14:08:55] <kevlarballoons> they didn't
L479[14:08:57] <Althego> to be frank nobody does
L480[14:09:00] <kevlarballoons> that's why they don't have real jobs
L481[14:09:06] <kevlarballoons> everyone understands gravity
L482[14:09:11] <kevlarballoons> i pick up this ceramic plate
L483[14:09:13] <kevlarballoons> i drop it
L484[14:09:21] <Scolar_Visari> Though somewhat less irritating than the, "Mars has no atmosphere!" claims, you also get people who argue that the ISS requires a constant shipment of food and water to survive because they can't be bothered to look up payload manifests.
L485[14:09:21] <kevlarballoons> it falls and i'm screwed
L486[14:09:26] <Althego> also they just conveniently forget about the cavendish experiment
L487[14:09:33] <Althego> what they could do in their homes
L488[14:09:41] <Althego> to show that mases do attract each other
L489[14:09:44] <kevlarballoons> the ISS does require a constant shipment of food and water technically
L490[14:09:47] <kevlarballoons> you can't stop giving them
L491[14:09:54] <kevlarballoons> food
L492[14:09:59] <kevlarballoons> although water is recyclable
L493[14:10:04] <Scolar_Visari> kevlarballoons: Not really. Food and water make up a minority of payload mass, and most cargo ships are split apart by three months.
L494[14:10:19] <Scolar_Visari> You could fit up the required mass in both for a full crew of six in a single vehicle, if need be.
L495[14:10:25] <kevlarballoons> i guess it depends on how you define "constant"
L496[14:10:36] <ve2dmn> Constant: Pi
L497[14:10:37] <kevlarballoons> you can't stop sending the rockets up for years
L498[14:10:42] <kevlarballoons> ve2dmn: you win
L499[14:11:14] <Scolar_Visari> kevlarballoons: Only because Soyuz craft are not rated for much more than six months loitering time! Most payload mass consists of spare parts, scientific experiments and hypergols.
L500[14:11:20] <kevlarballoons> true
L501[14:11:25] <kevlarballoons> science experiments?
L502[14:11:30] <kevlarballoons> all they need is a thermometor
L503[14:11:33] <kevlarballoons> *thermometer
L504[14:11:45] <ve2dmn> take 1 rocket every Pi months. If the problems continue, consult you ISS doctor
L505[14:11:55] <Scolar_Visari> Yes. Scientific research is sort of the Space Station's raison d'être
L506[14:12:17] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: If you start seeing a Golden Ratio, consult an art critic.
L507[14:12:20] <kevlarballoons> i was making a dank meme
L508[14:12:25] <ve2dmn> :)
L509[14:12:28] <kevlarballoons> about how thermometers somehow get you like 10 science
L510[14:12:39] <kevlarballoons> wow i took the temperature far from jool
L511[14:12:40] <kevlarballoons> i win
L512[14:12:48] <kevlarballoons> many science 4 u
L513[14:13:13] <Scolar_Visari> There's also a matter of muscule and bone density loss being nowhere as severe as people tend to think.
L514[14:13:17] <ve2dmn> kevlarballoons: you can get much more then that 'Landed at Jool". Try it
L515[14:13:22] <kevlarballoons> because people exercise
L516[14:13:25] * Scolar_Visari eyes Elite Dangerous players who tend to forget this.
L517[14:13:41] <kevlarballoons> there is no gravity but somehow they exercise
L518[14:13:51] <kevlarballoons> *no force applied
L519[14:13:58] <kevlarballoons> zero-g
L520[14:14:10] <ve2dmn> Micro-G
L521[14:14:14] <Scolar_Visari> kevlarbaloons: If you make it back to ~1G within a month, you can go without exercising without encountering too many issues. Bone density seems to largely level off, and you'd have to spend years in space without interruption for it to be dangerous.
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L523[14:14:48] <kevlarballoons> yea
L524[14:14:56] <kevlarballoons> but idk how youre supposed to exercise up there
L525[14:15:02] <Scolar_Visari> Very carefully.
L526[14:15:04] <kevlarballoons> like that dude who was there for a year
L527[14:15:06] <ve2dmn> with elastics
L528[14:15:09] <Fluburtur> rubber bands
L529[14:15:21] <kevlarballoons> o
L530[14:15:21] <Fluburtur> also they use vacuum for some stuff
L531[14:15:29] <kevlarballoons> because i don't think you can pump iron in micro-g
L532[14:15:37] <ve2dmn> check out the 'C.O.L.B.E.R.T."
L533[14:15:39] <Scolar_Visari> 1-2 hours a days with aerobic equipment (stationary bikes, treadmills, reruns of The Biggest Loser).
L534[14:15:59] <Scolar_Visari> It's very unpleasant, however, because sweat doesn't run off and must be wiped off.
L535[14:16:11] <kevlarballoons> wow
L536[14:16:35] <Scolar_Visari> kevlarbaloons: Well, moving payloads from resupply vehicles can actually be a work out in and of itself. While they like weight, they still retain mass and thus inertia!
L537[14:17:02] <kevlarballoons> clearly
L538[14:17:02] <ve2dmn> Combined Operational Load-Bearing External Resistance Treadmill, or COLBERT.
L539[14:17:04] <Scolar_Visari> Upper arm strength seems to increase with some astronauts.
L540[14:17:06] <kevlarballoons> lol
L541[14:17:18] <kevlarballoons> stephen colbert was just like "name this module after ya boi"
L542[14:17:19] <kevlarballoons> and
L543[14:17:25] <kevlarballoons> they decided to name a treadmill after him instead
L544[14:17:59] <ve2dmn> well... they promised "Your name will be in space"
L545[14:18:34] <ve2dmn> Technically, they are correct
L546[14:20:07] <Scolar_Visari> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/COLBERT_patch.jpg
L547[14:20:50] <Scolar_Visari> As seen in space! https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experiments/COLBERT2.jpg
L548[14:21:19] <Scolar_Visari> In use https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experiments/COLBERT3.jpg
L549[14:21:38] <ve2dmn> next to the space toilet
L550[14:22:12] <ve2dmn> and near the coppolla if I remember correctly
L551[14:22:14] * Scolar_Visari is amused they actually had to label it, "space toilet" in case some one did not recognize the fancier title.
L552[14:22:38] <Scolar_Visari> "No, *that's* the space toilet. What you just dropped a space dukey in is the oxygen filtration system!"
L553[14:23:18] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: much better then the bag the Appollo astronauts had to use
L554[14:24:48] <ve2dmn> Space poop is a real crappy problem
L555[14:25:01] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: I dunno. The Soyus space toilet looks downright horrifying http://www.maxuta.com/maxuta/collections/032_pn_space_collectibles/032086_1967_soviet_space_toilet_01.jpg
L556[14:25:18] <Althego> there is an actual space toilet simulator on earth, because it is so hard to use, you have to seriously practice it
L557[14:26:00] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: I recall there being a Type VII U-Boat nearly sunk because some one attempted to flush the toilet while submerged.
L558[14:26:10] <Althego> lol
L559[14:26:14] <ve2dmn> ...
L560[14:26:22] <Scolar_Visari> Even funnier than being sunk by your own acoustic homing torpedo.
L561[14:27:35] * Scolar_Visari goes off to find a funnier way to nigh literally get hoisted by one's own pertard.
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L563[14:28:50] <Althego> and this is the channel people think is not really active
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L565[14:31:13] <ve2dmn> We are bored at work
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L567[14:31:34] <AncientAstronaut> Hey everyone, I have a question
L568[14:31:50] <AncientAstronaut> Where is the jpg/png file for the celestial sphere in this game's directory?
L569[14:32:00] <AncientAstronaut> I remember a few years back I was able to edit the stars out of space with mspaint
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L581[15:22:41] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/sKZTdkvr4qo?t=14
L582[15:22:41] <kmath> YouTube - Thunderstruck White Trash Washer Cover
L583[15:24:06] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/416344355930898433/20180106212541_1.jpg
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L585[15:27:15] <ve2dmn> This is an interesting bug: yano1: you are good are pasting link... I think this one is a good bug: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/7zdoq3/warning_sudo_npm_will_chown/
L586[15:27:30] <ve2dmn> copy-pasta fail...
L587[15:28:03] <ve2dmn> right link, but I pasted part of a conversation with it...
L588[15:28:23] <ve2dmn> anyway, someone broke the Node.js package manager
L589[15:28:57] <ve2dmn> It changed the permissions of / (and then the server does not boot)
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L591[15:37:18] <Gasher> Fluburtur, mods?
L592[15:37:36] <Fluburtur> waht
L593[15:37:56] <Gasher> screenshot with tilted heads
L594[15:38:06] <Fluburtur> that's IL-2
L595[15:38:11] <Gasher> i know
L596[15:38:19] <Gasher> i don't recognise the plane
L597[15:38:19] <Fluburtur> nah they just dead
L598[15:38:44] <Gasher> dead has other posture - head should be tilted forward and to the right
L599[15:38:55] <Fluburtur> idk how then
L600[15:38:57] <Fluburtur> wasn't me
L601[15:38:59] <Gasher> ah
L602[15:39:06] <Gasher> so just funny pic, ok
L603[15:40:14] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/415967102214733846/20180221195721_1.jpg
L604[15:40:43] <Gasher> TB-3 Zveno, yeah
L605[15:41:01] <Gasher> oh there is some weird part there lol
L606[15:41:07] <Gasher> also where are their bombs
L607[15:41:39] <Gasher> hm and no pilot - looks like it is destroyed I-16, not a "real" model
L608[15:41:42] <Fluburtur> broke off
L609[15:41:53] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/415967155750699008/20180221195531_1.jpg
L610[15:41:58] <Fluburtur> I was in the white one
L611[15:43:11] <Gasher> hmm, i think you can lift off with those bombs on I-16 even without the TB-3
L612[15:43:31] <Fluburtur> no idea
L613[15:44:08] <Gasher> maybe 25% fuel
L614[15:44:13] <Gasher> * at
L615[15:44:25] <Gasher> and like, make sure that the target is close lol
L616[15:44:29] <Fluburtur> yeah
L617[15:44:54] <Fluburtur> but we often do stupid stuff like godmode infinite ammo and fuel and crap like that
L618[15:46:48] <Gasher> whatever you prefer
L619[15:47:37] <Fluburtur> well we try to play legti sometimes
L620[15:48:06] <Fluburtur> but that's not exactly an easy game and I need a proper stick
L621[15:48:23] <Fluburtur> steam controller isn't as accurate
L622[15:51:03] <Draconiator> Ummm...
L623[15:51:19] <Draconiator> Oh, a controller for KSP?
L624[15:51:28] <Fluburtur> but I should get my 3d printer within a few weeks
L625[15:51:36] <Fluburtur> that or il2
L626[15:51:41] <Fluburtur> or any game with planes
L627[15:51:51] <Fluburtur> that was planned for a while
L628[15:51:59] <Draconiator> I need to see if I can get my NES controller working on there. I only use a few buttons for control anyway.
L629[15:52:30] <Fluburtur> exelt I couls use like 4 stick for ksp
L630[15:52:40] <Fluburtur> for rotation and translation
L631[15:53:01] <Fluburtur> I should get a bunch of linear pots to make the sticks
L632[15:53:22] <Fluburtur> should be possible to make 3 axis sticks too
L633[15:53:26] <ve2dmn> for KSP, you need: WASD, Z,X,Shift, CTRL and IJKLHN
L634[15:54:03] <ve2dmn> not sure how I would map that on a controller
L635[15:54:19] <Fluburtur> ksp can accept stick unputs
L636[15:54:31] <Fluburtur> will probably make an arduino stuff
L637[15:54:39] <Fluburtur> I know there is a mod for that
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L639[15:55:16] <Draconiator> Control pad - up down left right, A, and B throttle, toggle gear with start, and not sure what I would map select to.
L640[15:55:42] <Fluburtur> probably a few action groups buttons on the sticks and panel
L641[15:56:26] <ve2dmn> http://www.instructables.com/id/KerbalController-a-Custom-Control-Panel-for-Rocket/
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L643[15:56:54] <Fluburtur> I wanted to make a full simpit too but I have no room for that
L644[15:57:13] <Fluburtur> and idk how to adapt that for other games
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L647[16:04:16] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: I think the first thing I would do is map the cheat menu to the Konami code
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L655[16:17:46] <Guest87179> Hi does anyone know how to use Aset mod or RPM mod
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L671[17:06:53] <SLY_> Hey can anyone help me with an issue with couple mods
L672[17:16:04] <ve2dmn> SLY_: which ones?
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L678[17:23:45] <SLY_> I have an issue with rpm mod
L679[17:24:38] <SLY_> Can someone help me
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L683[17:28:15] <ve2dmn> SLY_: what issue?
L684[17:28:35] <Sly___> Im having issues with a mod called rpm because i get an error Initialization error, check configuration
L685[17:30:37] <ve2dmn> How did you install it? can you get a screenshot of the error message? Which version of the mod and/or KSP are you running?
L686[17:33:04] <Sly___> KSP 1.3.1 mod 0.29.3 i put it into my gamedata folder and i dont the screens to light up and there are somethings missing in the cockpit
L687[17:33:44] <Sly___> and i alos have ASET Props mod also and some others
L688[17:35:29] <ve2dmn> from the FAQ: "Make sure that there is only one RasterPropMonitor.dll and that it is located at GameData/JSI/RasterPropMonitor/Plugins/RasterPropMonitor.dll -- several earlier third-party capsules distributed old versions incorrectly."
L689[17:36:43] <Sly___> there is only one in that path
L690[17:37:29] <Sly___> and heres my log file if you would like to see
L691[17:39:11] <Guest85785> well i cant put the log file inside here but i put it under the modded forum page its the one with ASET and RPM
L692[17:40:06] <ve2dmn> try pastebin instead
L693[17:40:47] <Sly___> file:///E:/Steam/steamapps/common/Kerbal%20Space%20Program/KSP_Data/output_log.txt
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L695[17:44:52] <Pakaran> So, my last tourist vehicle suffered from controllability issues, so I added enough monoprop that I wouldn't be afraid to use it, along with enough thrusters to turn the heavy craft in the critical region around 1 kps.
L696[17:45:47] <Pakaran> I think I brought too much monoprop (in fairness, I was stuck between tank sizes, and also made a poor ascent here). https://imgur.com/a/pHOlA
L697[17:45:47] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/LjGULrS.png
L698[17:47:00] <Pakaran> Should be able to make the deorbit burn though. He just needs to have a peri above 75 for an hour.
L699[17:47:28] <Guest85785> ve2dmn are u still helping me or no
L700[17:48:00] <ve2dmn> Guest85785: I'm trying to find info on that mod. I don't use it myslef
L701[17:48:29] <Sly___> okay well is there someone that does use that mod
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L703[17:54:12] <Sly___> doze do u use a mod called rpm
L704[17:54:13] <ve2dmn> Sly___: do you have a screenshot of the issue?
L705[17:55:44] <Sly___> yeah let get a pic of it and i will send it to you
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L711[18:30:02] <Sly___> https://imgur.com/a/EZkRv
L712[18:30:35] <Sly___> there you go ve2dmn
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L714[18:34:11] <ve2dmn> seems there is a problem with the mod the uses RPM, but not RPM itself...
L715[18:34:29] <ve2dmn> Either that or your install is... corrupted somehow
L716[18:34:31] <Sly___> like what
L717[18:35:01] <ve2dmn> like like Aset Props
L718[18:35:24] <Sly___> well aset props need rpm to work
L719[18:35:55] <ve2dmn> yes. but if Aset prop is not installed correctly, RPM won't know what to do with thoses models
L720[18:36:10] <ve2dmn> or amybe a version conflict of some sort
L721[18:36:14] <Sly___> so is there a correct way to install aset
L722[18:36:34] <ve2dmn> No clue if that one is even the source of the problem
L723[18:36:40] <ve2dmn> (it's just an example)
L724[18:37:24] <ve2dmn> Well, I got tired of installing everything manually, so I usually use CKAN to maintain the mods for KSP
L725[18:37:42] <Sly___> so what is ckan
L726[18:37:53] <ve2dmn> Mod manager for KSP
L727[18:38:19] <ve2dmn> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/154922-ckan-the-comprehensive-kerbal-archive-network-v1226-guiana/
L728[18:38:59] <ve2dmn> When it works, it works great...
L729[18:40:04] <Sly___> so how do i move the mods that i have installed ove to ckan
L730[18:40:24] <ve2dmn> make a list of stuff you installed
L731[18:40:57] <Sly___> where
L732[18:41:05] <ve2dmn> on paper
L733[18:41:18] <ve2dmn> And then either move you KSP install to a new location (like a backup)
L734[18:42:07] <Sly___> how
L735[18:42:08] <ve2dmn> and re-downlad a fresh version from Steam, point CKAN to the new one and install
L736[18:42:31] <Sly___> how
L737[18:43:13] <ve2dmn> Using the windows File explorer?
L738[18:43:57] <ve2dmn> I don't want to tell you to delete your install of KSP and re-install everything without making a backup first
L739[18:44:22] <Draconiator> VERY IMPORTANT there.
L740[18:44:38] <ve2dmn> And since KSP don't have any kind of DRM, you could keep several copies around, each with a different sets of mods
L741[18:44:38] <Sly___> can i do a backup through steam
L742[18:44:50] <Draconiator> I still can't run the latest version with the mods I have without it crashing on load.
L743[18:45:08] <Draconiator> Just copy the folder and paste it somewhere else.
L744[18:45:12] <ve2dmn> ^
L745[18:46:03] <Sly___> im moved the copy to my desktop is that good
L746[18:46:58] <ve2dmn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRoKhjhu08Q
L747[18:46:59] <kmath> YouTube - Kerbal Space Program - How To Backup Your Old Versions On Steam
L748[18:47:17] <ve2dmn> Good old Scott Manley video to the rescue :D
L749[18:50:17] <Sly___> i got a new backup made now what
L750[18:51:41] <ve2dmn> 1) Download CKAN, try to run it see what happens
L751[18:52:10] <ve2dmn> 2) Once you are confortable with what it does and how it works, notice that it won't change any mods you install manually
L752[18:52:36] <lordcirth> CKAN is giving me cert errors, even after I ran mozroots - did their cert expire or something?
L753[18:52:52] <ve2dmn> lordcirth: really... *sigh*
L754[18:53:13] <lordcirth> CKAN's normally pretty great
L755[18:53:19] <Sly___> do i launch kerbal from ckan
L756[18:53:29] <lordcirth> Sly___, I do, you may as well
L757[18:53:29] <Sly___> and my mods will show up there
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L760[18:53:55] <ve2dmn> yes...
L761[18:54:04] <Azander> check date, time, timezone settings to be sur eyou ahve those all right. certs rely on date and time a lot.
L762[18:54:26] <lordcirth> Azander, yeah I know, I've got ntp, time is accurate. Thanks though
L763[18:54:44] <ve2dmn> Sly___: but I would delete the mods and let CKAN install them once you are confortable with it
L764[18:55:02] <ve2dmn> Azander: it fails on a github url...
L765[18:55:17] <ve2dmn> I doubt github has issues....
L766[18:55:44] <Sly___> so i deleted the mods now how do i make ckan install them
L767[18:56:15] <ve2dmn> run ckan
L768[18:56:30] <Sly___> i have it running
L769[18:56:47] <Sly___> but krebal is not open
L770[18:57:04] <ve2dmn> of course... you never used a mod manager before?
L771[18:57:17] <Sly___> no not for kerbal
L772[18:57:47] <ve2dmn> It does what the name says
L773[18:58:08] <ve2dmn> It does all the mod management for you
L774[18:58:26] <Sly___> yeah but should i run kerbal and will my mods show up or what
L775[18:58:46] <ve2dmn> you simply tell it which mods you want and it automatically fetches them and install them for you
L776[18:59:13] <Sly___> where in filter by mods in ckan or where
L777[19:00:14] <ve2dmn> do you see this? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/KSP-CKAN/CKAN/master/Screenshots/ckan-main-1.22.1.png
L778[19:00:34] <Sly___> yeah
L779[19:01:06] <ve2dmn> well. normally you just check the mods you want it to install, and click apply changes
L780[19:01:38] <Sly___> okay so i have the mods in my gamedata folder now how do i put them into ckan
L781[19:02:05] <ve2dmn> wait... stop
L782[19:02:32] <ve2dmn> say, you want "[x] Science!" mod
L783[19:02:46] <Sly___> okay
L784[19:02:57] <ve2dmn> you just check the box, click apply and CKAN does EVERYTHING
L785[19:03:11] <Sly___> i have nothing in my ckan
L786[19:03:26] <ve2dmn> empty list?
L787[19:03:33] <Sly___> yes
L788[19:03:39] <ve2dmn> *sigh*
L789[19:03:52] <ve2dmn> why did it have to break NOW of all times....
L790[19:04:00] * ve2dmn shake fist at the sky
L791[19:04:42] <Sly___> well what now
L792[19:04:52] <ve2dmn> gimme a second
L793[19:05:06] <Sly___> okay
L794[19:10:11] <ve2dmn> yeah, CKAN broke like 3h ago: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/154922-ckan-the-comprehensive-kerbal-archive-network-v1226-guiana/&page=35
L795[19:10:43] <ve2dmn> sorry Sly___... I tried. I really did.
L796[19:11:52] <Sly___> so will it be back up tommorow or no
L797[19:12:48] <ve2dmn> yes
L798[19:12:56] <ve2dmn> (in theory)
L799[19:13:51] <ve2dmn> for anyone else interested in the issue, it's https://github.com/KSP-CKAN/CKAN/issues/2293
L800[19:14:05] <Sly___> so when its up hopefully will a list of mods show up and will that message go away of the initialization error, check configuration for rpm
L801[19:15:09] <ve2dmn> and you'll be able to install 300 mods if you want to
L802[19:16:35] <Sly___> so will there be no errors with the aset mod conflicting with the rpm mod correct anymore
L803[19:17:23] <ve2dmn> normally CKAN does all the figuring out for you. You tell it you want Aset, and it propose to install RPM
L804[19:18:10] <ve2dmn> lordcirth, Azander: github.com turned off TLS 1.1 today. It was annonced 1 year ago
L805[19:18:39] <Azander> yeah, lots and lots of places are doing that this week, and next :/
L806[19:19:07] <ve2dmn> that and this happened today: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/7zdoq3/warning_sudo_npm_will_chown/
L807[19:19:20] <lordcirth> 1.1? I thought 1.1 was ok still
L808[19:19:44] <Pakaran> hmm. Tourist wants suborbital flight over the north pole. I think I'll put her in a polar orbit.
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L810[19:20:28] <Pakaran> just need to do a bit of the circularization burn after she notices she's there.
L811[19:21:06] <ve2dmn> lordcirth: yes, but not all ciphers... so it's easier to turn it off
L812[19:21:38] <lordcirth> Ah I see. Ok, so apparently you need Mono 4.8.0 or better for TLS 1.2 support
L813[19:21:47] <lordcirth> Source: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2017/Nov-20.html
L814[19:21:47] <Sly___> so has anyone got ckan to workl
L815[19:22:11] <lordcirth> I apparently have 4.6.2.7 on Ubuntu 17.10 here
L816[19:22:27] <Sly___> so how do u get ckan to work
L817[19:22:54] <Pakaran> I didn't plan to recover my upper stage, but I'm following it around in FMRS to make sure it burns up. Because I just realized it has over 400 units of unused monoprop, which probably isn't overly healthy if it hits intact.
L818[19:23:17] <Sly___> lordcirth how did u get ur ckan to wok
L819[19:23:32] <lordcirth> Sly___, I didn't yet, working on it, read my comments
L820[19:23:48] <Sly___> oh i thought you did
L821[19:24:11] <lordcirth> Sly___, are you also on Ubuntu?
L822[19:24:46] <Sly___> no what is that
L823[19:24:52] <ve2dmn> lordcirth: pretty sure Sly___ is on windows
L824[19:25:11] <lordcirth> Sly___, then any solution I find won't do you much good
L825[19:25:19] <Sly___> yeah thats correct windows master race
L826[19:26:00] <ve2dmn> lordcirth: I use everything, so if you have a solution, I'm curious
L827[19:26:05] <lordcirth> "master race" that doesn't know what else exists :P
L828[19:26:28] <lordcirth> ve2dmn, tl;dr on Linux you need Mono >= 4.80 which you get from the Mono Project repo
L829[19:26:45] <lordcirth> But I'm suspicious of installing a 16.04 repo on 17.10
L830[19:27:27] <lordcirth> eh why not
L831[19:27:54] <ve2dmn> don't break you system...
L832[19:28:01] <lordcirth> Well, it's mono, not glibc
L833[19:28:15] <ve2dmn> ...I don't work in tech support for Servers anymore and I'm having flashbacks
L834[19:28:17] <lordcirth> worst is I break ckan and wine
L835[19:28:47] <ve2dmn> If you do, I'm break out the Wine and drink in your honour
L836[19:29:13] <lordcirth> distros are *really* behind on Mono! the Mono project repo is at 5.8.0!
L837[19:29:42] <lordcirth> When I first played KSP on 16.04, I needed the repo to get > 3.0
L838[19:29:45] <ve2dmn> Mono mirror .NET and distros mirror the .NET apps...
L839[19:32:46] <ve2dmn> lordcirth: looks like there is a pre-release that works: https://github.com/KSP-CKAN/CKAN/files/1750127/ckan.zip
L840[19:33:35] <lordcirth> ve2dmn, I don't see anything about TLS?
L841[19:34:03] <ve2dmn> lordcirth: I'm reading https://github.com/KSP-CKAN/CKAN/issues/2293
L842[19:35:27] <lordcirth> ve2dmn, ah, so we need *both* new enough libs, and ckan enabling it
L843[19:35:52] <ve2dmn> I was hoping to sit down and enjoy the new Stellaris 2.0....
L844[19:36:07] <lordcirth> Go ahead? :P
L845[19:36:24] <ve2dmn> And that game has been on pause for a good hour now while I'm more interesting in TLS issues :D
L846[19:36:50] <lordcirth> ve2dmn, hey, so with mono 5.8.0, the CKAN version I had already just works
L847[19:37:02] <ve2dmn> probably default to TLS 1.2
L848[19:37:08] <ve2dmn> http://steamcommunity.com/broadcast/watch/76561197994451548/
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L850[20:02:28] <lordcirth> Just trimmed my default starting modlist (as a .ckan file) down to 60 mods :P
L851[20:06:17] <ve2dmn> down?
L852[20:06:21] <ve2dmn> Which ones?
L853[20:07:45] <lordcirth> Well, I found out that Real Plume and Ven's kinda conflict, so I removed Real Plume + configs
L854[20:08:28] <lordcirth> I removed bluedog, because while cool it changes a ton of parts and maybe conflicts with vens? not sure.
L855[20:08:43] <lordcirth> Then a bunch of contract packs and other small things
L856[20:09:03] <ve2dmn> What did you keep?
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L859[20:17:57] <lordcirth> ve2dmn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h4rtrDBnqD/
L860[20:18:29] <lordcirth> That's the list I start with, then add whatever key mods this install is 'for'
L861[20:18:40] <lordcirth> In this case, Sigma Dimensions, and Kerbalism-Continued
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L880[22:04:50] <SicariusLeif> Is this chat active?
L881[22:05:58] <taniwha> yes
L882[22:06:07] <taniwha> just not particularly so at this moment
L883[22:06:14] <TheKosmonaut> SicariusLeif: it depends entirely on the time of day
L884[22:06:25] <TheKosmonaut> It'll probably kick up a lot when the DLC drops though.
L885[22:10:17] <Kalpa> DLC drop, like a mike drop
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L887[22:13:30] <UmbralRaptor> ballistic DLC
L888[22:15:31] <SicariusLeif> Makes sense, I have played KSP for a few years (very infrequently) but never looked into mods. Are there any "essentials" I should know of?
L889[22:15:55] <taniwha> kerbal alarm clock
L890[22:16:07] <Kalpa> MechJeb... oh, wait, that hasn't been essential in a few years now I guess :p
L891[22:16:21] <taniwha> (shameless plug) extraplanetary launchpads
L892[22:16:37] <taniwha> Kalpa: MJ is essential if you want realism ;)
L893[22:17:07] <Kalpa> If you want realism, better look elsewhere than the Kerbol system then (in before: real sizes -mod)
L894[22:17:26] <taniwha> I was meaning in how NASA flies missions
L895[22:17:59] <Kalpa> They flick 60s looking switches, r-right?
L896[22:18:04] <Kalpa> Like in all the movies?
L897[22:18:10] <Kalpa> Oh shoot, look at the time, I must be going ->
L898[22:18:37] <UmbralRaptor> Kalpa: have MJ drive your bus!
L899[22:21:29] <SicariusLeif> Thank you, I want to start making more calculated rockets and going to see the other planets, I've only been to Mun and Minmus.
L900[22:22:26] <TheKosmonaut> taniwha: Mechjeb is for cheaters duh
L901[22:23:35] <TheKosmonaut> Kalpa: I like 6.4x KSP as a nice in between for Realism and ¡fun! But it doesn't really look nice when you're on a planet
L902[22:23:40] <taniwha> I'm currently testing some new features in extraplanetary launchpads
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L911[23:07:20] <Dabeer> has anyone complained about decoupler ejection force lately? I have a craft with 3 identical payloads, with the decouplers set to 100%, 10%, and 0%... and all three are ejected with the same force.
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L913[23:32:07] <TheKosmonaut> I've not noticed that, the DCs seem to correspond to the strength I set them at.
L914[23:32:16] <TheKosmonaut> Are you playing on Vanilla?
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L916[23:33:51] <Dabeer> Mods are KER, KJR, BetterBurnTime, PreciseManeuver, and DistantObjectEnhancement
L917[23:37:36] <Dabeer> disabling KJR seems to make a very small difference
L918[23:40:33] <TheKosmonaut> Sometimes I just use docking ports
L919[23:41:46] <Dabeer> am really hoping to get no ejection force, just detachment... but my payloads keep flying off pretty fast. Using the smallest stack decoupler.
L920[23:45:22] <TheKosmonaut> Dabeer: Is there any clipping?
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L922[23:48:33] <Dabeer> not between the payloads and the mothership. mothership does have some parts offset, octo strut into cube strut
L923[23:48:45] <TheKosmonaut> Hmm
L924[23:48:53] <TheKosmonaut> Have a screen shot or clip of this?
L925[23:49:33] <Dabeer> trying to remove KER, if it still happens will upload a vid
L926[23:56:23] <Dabeer> ok have a clip, not sure how to share
L927[23:57:23] <TheKosmonaut> Hmm
L928[23:57:26] <Dabeer> let's try this
L929[23:57:27] <Dabeer> https://nofile.io/f/zFjyKKAgxUR/Dabeer-DecouplerForceBroken.mp4
L930[23:59:21] <Dabeer> meh, my bad, all three of those were 0%. trying again with 0%, 10%, and 100%
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