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L5[00:06:02] <kmath> <elonmusk> Now,
if I can just figure out how to attach those to a really big shark
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L6[00:06:04] <Althego> lol elon
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L68[05:28:35] <Mat2ch> why is that a photo
of a screen? Why not a screenshot? That hurts :|
L69[05:30:12] <Fluburtur> idk
L70[05:30:32] <Fluburtur> it's from a dude
that tried to re-write the bible when he was 7 and I want to full
version
L71[05:34:35] <Mat2ch> well, a few month
back we had a new German "slang" here, which was greatly
abusing the language and some guy (I don't know if he'd like to be
called a Comedian) wrote a bible in this language
L72[05:34:46] <Mat2ch> it is bad, but also
hillarious :D
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L74[05:37:25] <Truga> most bibles are
L75[05:39:58] <Mat2ch> The one I know is
very boring
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L79[05:50:02] <Mat2ch> I'm hungry
L80[05:50:09] <Mat2ch> but I'm too lazy too
cook
L81[05:50:16] <Mat2ch> So, hm,
cookies?
L82[05:50:27] <Fluburtur> go out
L83[05:50:30] <Fluburtur> find kebab
L84[05:50:47] <Mat2ch> it's expensive
here
L85[05:51:03] <Fluburtur> is it more than
4.5€?
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L87[05:51:17] <Mat2ch> I lost my project
for February and March, so I have to cut down on almost all
expenses :|
L88[05:51:28] <Mat2ch> Nobody seems to need
someone with my knowledge
L89[05:51:31] <Fluburtur> rip
L90[05:51:32] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: yeah, 5
EUR ;P
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L120[07:59:52] <BadRocketsCo2> hii
L121[07:59:53] <Mod9000> Hello,
BadRocketsCo2
L122[08:00:17] <BadRocketsCo2> o/
L123[08:01:04] <BadRocketsCo2> Wondered,
could anyone give me a little help with some mod installation
trouble...?
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L126[08:03:32] <APlayer> What is it?
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L129[08:04:43] <BadRocketsCo2> Trying to
install RO but it freezes on loading
L131[08:04:52] <BadRocketsCo2> this is the
last thing I get
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L133[08:05:56] <Eddi|zuHause> running the
32 or 64-bit version?
L134[08:06:25] <BadRocketsCo2>
64-bit
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L138[08:09:43] <BadRocketsCo2> the game
still works but just stops loading
L139[08:09:57] <Draconiator> hi
L140[08:09:58] <Mod9000> Hello,
Draconiator
L141[08:09:58] <Draconiator> hi
L142[08:10:00] <Mod9000> Hello,
Draconiator
L143[08:10:00] <Draconiator> hi
L144[08:10:02] <Mod9000> Hello,
Draconiator
L145[08:10:15] <APlayer> You might want to
check out the #RO channel
L146[08:10:24] <APlayer> Also, check yo
stagin'
L147[08:10:28] <APlayer> No, not really
:P
L148[08:10:50] <BadRocketsCo2> already
did, They had no idea, heh. I guess I will wait until NathanKell
wakes up
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L150[08:12:06] <APlayer> Another thing you
might do on your own is removing the recommended mods and hope that
the issue disappears. If it does, re-add them half-by-half to track
down what exact mod does this and just play without it
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L154[08:16:32] <APlayer> Noice!
L155[08:16:55] <APlayer> How many launches
did it take to assemble?
L156[08:17:09] <APlayer> And what's the
destination?
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L158[08:21:03] <Draconiator> Just one,
launched it...I'll show ya later. but initiallty went to Minmus and
now I'm headed to Duna
L159[08:21:19] <Gasher> destination:
void
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L169[08:36:51] <APlayer> .nextlaunch
L171[08:40:02] <Fluburtur> where is the
stream,
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L179[08:52:03] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: if
you have the Steam Overloay you can stream via that
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L181[09:03:36] <Fluburtur> alright I will
go fly my canadair
L182[09:03:43] <Fluburtur> hopefuly it
will work well
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L184[09:09:04] <APlayer> Good luck!
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L190[09:39:21] <Fluburtur> test flight
done
L191[09:39:41] <Fluburtur> about 20kph of
wind but it flew nice
L192[09:39:46] <Fluburtur> even hovered
for a good minute
L193[09:39:53] <Fluburtur> but I had to
put a lot of down trim
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L196[09:57:52] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: imagine
if the flight pioneers had access to cardboard
L197[09:58:21] <Fluburtur> fun stuff would
have happened
L198[09:59:02] <ve2dmn> I wonder if you
had to re-invent flight with modern items, what it would look
like...
L199[10:00:24] <APlayer> Like a Boeing. I
think.
L200[10:00:38] <APlayer> Or like a Falcon
9
L201[10:00:43] <ve2dmn> APlayer: maybe
start small
L202[10:01:17] <APlayer> Then take any
small modern plane ;-)
L203[10:01:55] <Truga> we'd get back to
current state quite quickly, tbh
L204[10:02:17] <ve2dmn> Thoses are
industrial-made... the early pioneers were more like
made-in-garage-type planes
L205[10:02:17] <Truga> plane shapes have
barely changed in the last decades, most changes happen in engines
now
L206[10:02:35] <APlayer> Are there no
made-in-garage modern planes?
L207[10:02:44] <ve2dmn> APlayer: no
clue
L208[10:02:47] <Truga> there are
L209[10:02:55] <Truga> not common, but
there's some
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L212[10:03:21] <ve2dmn> They are kits you
can buy to build, but thoses are more like IKEA then a true
made-from-scratch
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L217[10:03:34] <Truga> it's funny watching
80's documentaries about flight pioneering though
L218[10:03:51] <Truga> "these cheap
plastic planes allow us to test concepts real quick"
L219[10:04:08] <Truga> 5 years later,
computer simulation makes all that obsolete :v
L220[10:04:17] <ve2dmn> Truga: Rapid
prototyping is still a thing
L221[10:04:33] <Truga> yeah, but 99% of it
happens in CAD
L222[10:04:42] <ve2dmn> It's just that
now, prototypes 1 to 23005 are in CAD
L223[10:04:46] <Truga> yeah
L224[10:05:13] <Truga> don't even need to
book a wind tunnel, just outsource to your local gpu farm for $5 a
TF
L225[10:05:20] <ve2dmn> then once you have
a design you like, you test it for reals.... and then go back to
the drawing board with thte issues
L227[10:07:41] <darsie> Might be the old
7000 km orbit.
L228[10:07:47] <Althego> not all
that
L229[10:07:52] <Althego> simulations can
be tricky to get right
L230[10:08:04] <Althego> ok, modeling is
also tricky because of the square cube law
L231[10:08:23] <ve2dmn> Althego: which is
why you try both
L232[10:08:26] <Althego> but in general
there may be some vortices or unexpected things that happen in
teality
L233[10:08:33] <Truga> well yeah
L234[10:10:00] <Vooloo> anyone playing
with MKS? I have a hard time figuring out how to land the modules
on minmus. I was thinking of making a vtol lander for each module
but I can't make a stable craft
L235[10:10:32] <Althego> there is i video
somewhere in which a few meter sized unpowered a380 is gliding and
hitting a soft wall, while vortices are visible because of light
things in the air. that was part of the official testing
L236[10:11:49] <darsie> I have an A380
camera :).
L237[10:11:54] <Althego> i cant find
that
L238[10:12:49] <Althego> i remember it
becausei t was actually gliding
L239[10:12:57] <Althego> not a wind tunnel
test
L240[10:13:04] <Althego> maybe it wasnt
a380
L241[10:13:48] <ve2dmn> Vooloo: there is a
skycrane you can use
L242[10:15:11] <APlayer> ve2dmn: You
uncovered the TRUTH about the Tesla. The launch was staged
(evidence: the orbits don't match), hence the video was fake and
the Earth is flat!
L243[10:15:37] <Althego> they thought they
uncovered the trutch when they saw the two booster streams beaing
the same
L244[10:15:43] <ve2dmn> APlayer: ... well
someone is lying somewhere.
L245[10:16:07] <Althego> and outright
rejected the idea they made a mistake while mixing them in a live
stream
L246[10:16:27] <APlayer> Althego: See?
More evidence!
L247[10:16:30] <Althego> then they
corrected it in the recording and then it made the flat earthers
even more suspicious
L248[10:16:44] <ve2dmn> Althego: there is
no way to convince these people... NOTHING you can do or say would
convince them
L249[10:17:28] <ve2dmn> You can take them
on a suborbital space flight and they would still think it's
staged
L250[10:17:28] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Well, not
quite
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L252[10:17:46] <Althego> yesb ecause the g
forces can be faked and the window image is projected
L253[10:17:54] <Althego> then of course
have them a spacewalk
L254[10:18:02] <Althego> then the helmet
visor is prohected
L255[10:18:15] <Althego> the solution is
obviously
L256[10:18:30] <Althego> throw them out
through the airlock without space suite
L257[10:18:32] <APlayer> You can tell them
one thing they will believe: If you support their idea and tell
them that the Earth is flat with some nonsenvidence
L258[10:18:37] <ve2dmn> I propose we send
them to the Van Allen belt... If they can't be convinced at least
they won't be able to reproduce :D
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L261[10:19:06] <APlayer> I don't think
reproduction is how the Flat Earth Theory spreads, though
L262[10:19:23] <Althego> i know of one
flat earther who uses the usual normal arguments against the
azimutal equidistant map trying to convinve the others they are
wrong
L263[10:19:38] <Althego> but otherwise he
is the same conspiracy theorist
L264[10:19:59] <ve2dmn> These people makes
me sad
L265[10:20:11] <Althego> it means we are
doing really well
L266[10:20:17] <Althego> because these
people are still alive
L267[10:20:30] <ve2dmn> maybe
L268[10:21:18] <APlayer> Fun activity: On
stuffin.space, try to find an object with current orbital velocity
above 10 km/s
L269[10:21:19] <ve2dmn> I wonder how they
explain the difference in length in the shadow at the same time
between say, Here and Florida.
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L271[10:21:27] <ve2dmn> or the munar
eclispe
L272[10:21:36] <Althego> reminds me of the
the guys who crash landed on earth in hitchhiker..
L273[10:22:05] <Althego> the telephone
sanitizers
L274[10:22:15] <Althego> they sent them
off because they didnt need them
L275[10:22:21] <ve2dmn> Althego: "If
you think you know so much about how to invent the wheel, tell me
then, Which colour shoul it be wiseguy?"
L276[10:22:45] <Althego> (but the
civilization was wiped out by a telephone infection)
L277[10:23:28] <APlayer> Ooh, found a
GTO-object at perigee
L278[10:23:37] <Althego> great teacher
onizuka?
L279[10:23:39] <APlayer> 9.8 km/s only,
though
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L281[10:24:45] <ve2dmn> APlayer: try to
find the Planet Money satelitte
L282[10:25:07] <ve2dmn> or the oldest
thing still in orbit
L283[10:25:10] <APlayer> Sorry?
L285[10:26:03] <ve2dmn>
sat_id=42996U
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L287[10:27:16] <APlayer> "We have our
satellite, but we still need a mission."
L288[10:27:21] <APlayer> KSP, in a
nutshell
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L292[10:27:50] <ve2dmn> They basically did
a report on the cubesat industry, and got to sign their name on one
of the cubesat
L293[10:28:18] <ve2dmn> nothing special
about their sat except that the reporter's names are on it
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L295[10:28:58] <ve2dmn> "Your names,
in
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE"
L296[10:29:12] <Guest41260> hello
L297[10:29:14] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest41260
L298[10:29:48] <Guest41260> can we play
the game please
L299[10:29:56] <APlayer> Ooh, this one
might exceed 10 km/s in a few minutes
L300[10:29:58] *
APlayer watches
L301[10:30:03] <ve2dmn> Guest41260:
issues?
L302[10:30:15] <Guest41260> ok
L303[10:31:03] <APlayer> Guest41260: I
hereby grant exclusive permission for you and your company
("we") to play the game
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L305[10:31:11] <APlayer> Or not
L306[10:31:32] <ve2dmn> APlayer: there is
also a group for the sat collision
L307[10:31:47] <APlayer> Yeah, saw that a
while ago
L308[10:31:51] <APlayer> Creepy
L309[10:31:55] <ve2dmn> scary
L310[10:32:02] <APlayer> Yes, scary
L311[10:32:05] <APlayer> Better word
L312[10:32:20] <ve2dmn> I wonder how long
until all the pieces deorbit
L313[10:32:34] *
APlayer 's English skills are not perfect (at least
yet)
L314[10:32:52] <ve2dmn> that's ok. Mine
aren't either
L315[10:35:17] <APlayer> While we are at
that, I'd appreciate if anyone could tell me when they notice a
mistake I made, because that is the only way for me to learn to
avoid them
L316[10:35:44] <ve2dmn> I'm a descendant
of the New France colonists who came from Normandy and Brittanny
400 years ago. English is hardy my first language
L317[10:36:16] <APlayer> Also, 10 km/s
candidate object is at 9.6 km/s so far
L318[10:36:35] <APlayer> But I don't think
it'll make it
L319[10:36:59] <APlayer> Periapsis is at
500 km, object is at 900 km
L320[10:37:33] <APlayer> (And no, I will
not use vis viva)
L321[10:38:33] <ve2dmn> object id =
?
L323[10:40:01] <APlayer> I guess it won't
go past 9.95 or so
L324[10:41:27] <APlayer> Oh, it did go
past
L325[10:42:40] <APlayer> Well, the
periapsis data was a lie
L326[10:43:05] <APlayer> And we have 10
km/s, haha
L327[10:43:43] <Althego> hah new wolfie
video
L328[10:45:07] <ve2dmn> APlayer: try
1989-006F
L329[10:45:27] <ve2dmn> or 1989-006K
L330[10:46:42] <Althego> it will take a
while for these to fall down
L331[10:46:43] <ve2dmn> That launch had a
LOT of debris
L332[10:47:11] <ve2dmn> I guess for a 1989
Geosat it didn't matter that much
L333[10:47:19] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Both of
them have a perigee above 006B and apogee below 006B
L334[10:47:32] <APlayer> And 006B just
barely hit 10 km/s
L335[10:48:13] <ve2dmn> They migh get to
9.99 still
L336[10:49:13] <APlayer> 1989-006D has
somewhat better chances
L337[10:50:05] <APlayer> (This is more
entertaining than it should be)
L338[10:50:13] <ve2dmn> yes
L339[10:50:17] <ve2dmn> and I have work to
do :/
L340[10:50:32] <APlayer> Also, perigee
data is a lie again
L341[10:51:06] <ve2dmn> 1989-006K made it
to 9.94km/s
L342[10:51:29] <Althego> hehe
L343[10:51:34] <APlayer> D is at 9.95 and
at perigee
L344[10:52:02] <ve2dmn> it's all about the
inertia of the D
L345[10:52:44] <APlayer> Anyway
L346[10:52:51] *
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L347[10:52:59] <ve2dmn> 1989-006K made it
to 9.97km/s, still getting lower in altitude
L348[10:53:13] <APlayer> Ooh, nice
L349[10:53:14] <ve2dmn> nope. Perigee
hit
L350[10:53:20] <APlayer> Aww
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L352[10:54:04] <ve2dmn> F is going to be
at Perigee in a few minutes
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L354[10:54:10] <Althego> hah starman
doesnt come back to earth in 2030
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L357[10:54:29] <ve2dmn> Altitude 1200km
and dropping
L358[10:55:00] <APlayer> 2012-011B might
be interesting when it comes down
L359[10:55:29] <APlayer> (It will in 10
hours or so)
L360[10:55:51] <ve2dmn> APlayer: put a
timer to wake you up in the middle of the night
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L364[10:56:20] <ve2dmn> in 10h it will be
*my* bedtime
L365[10:56:28] <APlayer> I'd rather use
vis viva on this one, though :P
L366[10:57:08] <Althego> what there is a
3rd spacex droneship in the works?
L368[10:59:21] <kmath> YouTube - Turns Out
Elon's Roadster Is NOT Going to The Asteroid Belt
L370[11:02:19] <Mathuin> I'm glad they're
making a third, having only two was significantly limiting.
L371[11:02:39] <Althego> article says dual
barge landing with falcon heavy might happen
L372[11:03:10] <Mathuin> Simple redundancy
seems pretty important here as well.
L373[11:03:28] <Althego> that too
L374[11:04:32] <APlayer> ve2dmn: I am
getting 16 km/s for 2012-011B, but that's escape velocity?
L375[11:04:45] <APlayer> > escape vel,
even
L377[11:04:52] <kmath> YouTube - Hey
Buddy, Can You Give Me a Hand?
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L391[11:39:07] <UmbralRaptor> Does setting
my phone to a Wi-Fi hotspot named "????" make me a bad
person?
L392[11:39:35] <Althego> hehe
L393[11:39:41] <Althego> i cant even see
these characters here
L394[11:39:56] <Truga> i can
L395[11:40:06] <Althego> telegu letter
ja...
L396[11:40:30] <Truga> UmbralRaptor fyi,
there's a ton of exploits in unicode rendering in many popular
operating systems
L397[11:40:39] <Althego> hexchat is the
only irc client for which i need to add fonts manually to work
correctly with unicode
L398[11:40:46] <Truga> like, straight up
remote code execution exploits
L399[11:40:50] <Truga> have fun with that
:v
L400[11:40:58] <UmbralRaptor> Truga:
supposedly the above does bad things to OSX and iOS.
L402[11:41:02] <Truga> haha
L403[11:41:04] <Truga> nice
L404[11:41:17] <Althego> the most evil
thing you could do to a programmer
L405[11:43:32] <Althego> why is scene
change getting slower as you play the game?
L406[11:43:56] <Althego> originally it is
a split second, but later it becomes like 10 at which point i
restart the game
L407[11:43:59] <Truga> indie game is
leaking memory?? unpossible!
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L409[11:44:18] <Roland> hi
L410[11:44:20] <Mod9000> Hello,
Roland
L411[11:44:29] <Roland> first time
here
L412[11:44:39] <Roland> I'm working on a
custom control panel
L413[11:45:10] <Roland> does anyone have
experience on that?
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L417[11:46:13] <Althego> probably not
people from here
L418[11:46:28] <Althego> but we like to
look at them, there is a collection on the forums somewhere
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L420[11:46:36] <Fluburtur> I want to make
one but I never get to making it
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L423[11:46:49] <Roland> yep, I saw the
forums
L424[11:47:20] <Roland> I'm planning to
upload full documentation and instructions of how to make one when
I end mine
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L427[11:53:56] <Althego> 1 month until
1.4
L429[11:57:30] <Draconiator> although the
version I had came on a double-sided 5.25 floppy.
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L431[11:59:26] <Althego> at what point do
you call it a simulator?
L432[11:59:34] <Althego> i had some stuff
on c64
L433[11:59:57] <Althego> apache (loaded
forever) and f-14, ace 1-2
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L435[12:04:21] <ve2dmn> Roland: keep us
posted, I'm very curious
L436[12:05:00] <ve2dmn> Roland: you did
see the full 'simpit' thread on the forum?
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L439[12:19:13] <Draconiator> Eeeeeeeeeek,
some people have way too much time lol
L440[12:19:40] <ve2dmn> I find it cool,
but it's an AZERTY keyboard
L441[12:22:49] <sandbox_> P?
L442[12:23:51] <Althego> eh i forgot the
antenna on the orbital module. doesnt matte i will just have to
dock passively. have lot of monoprop for that. amd the more i lose
from that the more delta v i will have for the minmus burn
L443[12:25:03] <Althego> wait, isnt
capslock the precision control?
L444[12:25:14] <Althego> bleh fn in lower
left corner, abomination
L445[12:25:23] <Althego> and obviously an
apple keyboard
L446[12:25:31] <ve2dmn> Althego: that's
the same Apple keyboard
L447[12:25:42] <ve2dmn> The larger one is
more sensible
L448[12:26:08] <ve2dmn> (same keyboard as
the small laptop I mean)
L449[12:26:08] <SnoopJeDi> Fairly sure IBM
are the ones who popularized that key's location anyhow
L451[12:28:18] <Draconiator> Huh,
interesting...I thought albinoism was only restricted to
non-plants.
L452[12:28:22] <Althego> ok maybe if it is
in direct sight the dsn is strong enough to control it. the
transsciever satellites need at least the smallest antenna need at
least the
L453[12:28:44] <Althego> but i recovered
the first stage (without the solids)
L454[12:28:49] <oren> apple is fail
L455[12:29:01] <Althego> peach is the way
to go
L456[12:30:50] <ve2dmn> Melon is
better
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L458[12:32:09] <ve2dmn> Tonight, I shall
Scansat Eve... After we have our Condominium meeting
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L460[12:35:45] <Fluburtur> I ordered my
battery yesterday why is it not here already
L461[12:35:56] <Fluburtur> and it only
comes from the nethelrnads so it shouldn't take long
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L463[12:36:54] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: got
stuck in Belgium?
L464[12:37:05] <Fluburtur> idk
L465[12:37:09] <Fluburtur> why would it
be
L466[12:38:09] <ve2dmn> it has to go
through either there or Germany to get to you, no?
L467[12:38:23] <Fluburtur> yeah I
guess
L468[12:38:49] <Fluburtur> but im mostly
joking about being overly impationt
L469[12:41:16] <ve2dmn> I don't know how
efficient your postal system is, but I got stuff from Vancouver in
less then 4-5 days
L470[12:41:54] <Fluburtur> eh it
depends
L471[12:42:00] <Fluburtur> should still
come within the week
L472[12:42:10] <APlayer> ve2dmn: With
current cost optimization measures (AKA "Globalization")
it might very well end up going through Spain, Poland and the USA
in that order, before arriving :P
L473[12:45:04] <ve2dmn> APlayer: it varies
a lot from carrier to carrier.
L474[12:45:55] <ve2dmn> The American are
always suprised to learn that we don't have Saturday
delivery.
L475[12:46:15] <Althego> wait, does
anybody?
L476[12:46:17] <APlayer> I've seen all
sorts of weird stuff. Things that were supposed to ship from
Germany to Germany somehow ended up being in France and such
L477[12:46:31] <Althego> "logistic
center"
L478[12:47:18] <Althego> also my speakers
took a month to arrive, all inside the city
L479[12:47:23] <ve2dmn> APlayer: yeah...
it's more about who entered the information then were the physical
package was
L480[12:47:59] <ve2dmn> Althego: USPS does
Saturday delivery
L481[12:48:24] <Althego> half of the
package arrived on a saturday, weeks late, but they were doing
overtime, so special case
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L486[12:52:46] <Althego> the
antennae
L487[12:53:31] <APlayer> Also, ve2dmn:
Figured out why vis viva spat out escape velocity for object
2012-011B. I kind of neglected Earth's radius
L488[12:53:52] <ve2dmn> lol
L489[12:53:56] <APlayer> Draconiator: Is
your probe intercontinental and ballistic?
L490[12:54:16] <APlayer> Because it does
look like it should be
L491[12:54:42] <APlayer> Plus, it carries
metal that generates a special kind of heat, as far as I can tall
(bonus points if you get the reference)
L492[12:55:19] <Fluburtur> I repaired my
rocket fuel packing tool (marker of the right size) so now I need
to prepare igniters
L493[12:56:02] <oren> Ooh I think I know
how to make the flat kerbin mod
L494[12:56:21] <ve2dmn> Make the planet
square?
L495[12:56:22] <APlayer> Please refrain
from such activities, haha
L496[12:56:39] <oren> ve2dmn: no, just
make it really really big
L497[12:56:47] <Mathuin> Like Minecraft
big
L498[12:57:03] <oren> if a planet has the
same gravity as earth but 100 times the radius
L499[12:57:25] <oren> then it has 10000
times the mass and 10 times the escape velocity
L500[12:58:23] <ve2dmn> oren: the velocity
at the equator would be much higher
L501[12:58:45] <oren> if it has 1000 times
the radius then the mass is 1000000 times and the escape velocity
is 31.6 times
L502[12:59:08] <oren> ve2dmn: obviously
kerbin does not rotate
L503[12:59:26] <ve2dmn> depend on the
frame of reference
L504[12:59:35] <APlayer> ve2dmn: New
velocity estimate is 8.7 km/s :-(
L505[12:59:35] <oren> then you have the
sun orbit kerbin
L506[13:00:13] <APlayer> ve2dmn: What
about the sun orbiting a hypothetical point above the center of the
Kerbidisc?
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L508[13:00:34] <ve2dmn> With turtles all
the way down?
L509[13:00:35] <oren> APlayer: yeah that
would work better
L510[13:00:37] <APlayer> The same way the
FE-Theory claims it does?
L511[13:00:50] <APlayer> Also, I meant to
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L513[13:01:17] <oren> and therest of the
planets would be the same size they are in stock
L514[13:01:23] <APlayer> Also you need a
wall that prevents you from going to space, I think
L515[13:01:49] <APlayer> And, important
(!) Duna should remain a sphere, although I have no idea where it
is supposed to be located
L516[13:02:22] <APlayer> And what's on the
reverse of the flat Kerbin?
L517[13:02:34] <ve2dmn> turtles all the
way down
L518[13:02:40] <UmbralRaptor> Death.
L519[13:02:46] <Draconiator> Are RA-2
antennas good enough to reach Kerbin from Dres?
L520[13:02:59] <Fluburtur> Draconiator
spam relays
L521[13:03:00] <APlayer> BRB, sorry
L522[13:03:15] <oren> APlayer: yeah the
terrain texture would be compressed to be a tiny area around the
space centre and then a 100 Km tall wall over the rest of the
"planet"
L523[13:05:40] <oren> to get to the
planets you would have to mostly fly straight up
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L525[13:06:41] <oren> ti would have to
involve some trickery
L526[13:07:12] <oren> but i think it's
possible in kopernicus to have a "body" with no actual
SOI
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L528[13:08:00] <ve2dmn> oren: that seems a
lot of work...for not much
L529[13:08:06] <oren> ve2dmn: for
fun!
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L531[13:10:22] <Fluburtur> so my igniters
have an average resistance of 7.8 ohms
L532[13:10:35] <Fluburtur> and glow red
without burning out at about 8 bolts
L533[13:10:37] <Fluburtur> volts*
L534[13:10:41] <Fluburtur> so that's
fairly nice
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L536[13:11:36] <Fluburtur> I will cook
some fuel tomorrow so I will try to dip the igniters in those so
they burn nice
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L538[13:14:08] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: try to
unplug them before dipping them in the fuel. Just in case.
L539[13:14:24] <Fluburtur> yeah
L540[13:15:05] <Fluburtur> I will try to
remember having them not plugged into my battery and glowind red
hot and smoking horible plastic fuems
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L542[13:17:59] <Althego> what is the
minimum safest equatorial orbital altitude for minmus?
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L544[13:20:20] <APlayer> 5 or 6 km IIRC?
Best go for 10 and lower it while you can
L545[13:21:24] <Draconiator> I think I
went to 5KM once. I could actually see the thing as it flew
by.
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L547[13:21:45] <Althego> yes but the game
generated a kerbal on a 6-7 km orbit
L548[13:22:32] <UmbralRaptor> 5772 m,
IIRC.
L549[13:22:41] <APlayer> Go for a catch-up
orbit
L550[13:24:44] <Althego> ok then the
kerbal is safe
L551[13:25:06] <Althego> it is some 2 days
until i get ther. and there is an other part to retreive
L552[13:25:18] <Althego> maybe 2 collector
crafts with 1 booster
L553[13:27:11] <APlayer> Althego:
Considered a Mars sample return approach to retrieving the Kerbal?
:P
L554[13:33:08] <Althego> which is?
L555[13:34:11] <Fluburtur> ok I built 5
igniters
L556[13:34:25] <Althego> eh i could have
fulfilled this new contract for free if i had 1 more kerbal on this
touris mission
L557[13:34:37] <Fluburtur> now I will have
to coat them in some fuel to make sure they work
L558[13:34:54] <Althego> i guess i just
have to take the only kerbin orbit recruits to the mun then. 7 of
them isntead of 5
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L560[13:39:21] <Fluburtur> mhhh
L561[13:39:38] <Fluburtur> I guess if the
igniter is coated with fuel then the insiode of the fuel will
ignite and sort of explode
L562[13:39:56] <Fluburtur> well I guess
it's good to create a lot of presure to start the engine
L563[13:45:15] <ve2dmn> I stopped getting
rescue missions for some reason
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L568[13:47:22] <ve2dmn> Maybe it's because
I already have too many contracts...
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L586[14:34:18] <Fluburtur> so
L587[14:34:57] <Fluburtur> I got my heli
tweaked quite good and I finished my training gear so I just need
to get my battery to be ready to learn flying on it
L588[14:35:02] <Fluburtur> I guess I need
to lower the rates
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L593[14:53:13] <Althego> heh cant launch
the dual minmus recovery mission, 4 probes coming in for kerbin in
quick succession
L594[14:55:10] <APlayer> Althego: Once
landed four Mun probes that were launched from one rocket and came
in at time intervals of 30 - 240 s. Oh, and I forgot attitude
control and had persistent rotation installed, so I had to use the
engines to rotate and no timewarping to kill it :P
L595[14:55:28] <Althego> haha
L596[14:55:30] <APlayer> Actually, no, I
lost one
L597[14:56:20] <APlayer> I must have
gotten the periapsis below Mun surface unnoticed, and it crashed
while I was performing maneuvers on other probes
L598[14:56:38] <APlayer> At least that's
my theory, the other option being space kraken or whatever
L599[14:56:59] <APlayer> But it was fun
:D
L600[14:59:19] <APlayer> Althego: What is
your time interval?
L601[14:59:54] <Althego> around 20
minutes, but cant switch on kerbin because physiocs is
running
L602[15:00:08] <Althego> anyway too busy
to launch a minmus mission
L603[15:00:29] <Althego> largest solid
booster from the mun survived reentry
L604[15:00:43] <Althego> 8 parachutes must
be enough
L605[15:00:58] <APlayer> I was about to
ask if it also survived lithobraking
L606[15:01:25] <Althego> 2 second 2 probes
give me all orbital gravioli sensor data from the mun, 34
measurements altogether
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L608[15:04:03] <Althego> just who leaves a
burnt out large solid booster on the mun anyway
L609[15:04:56] <Althego> somehow i knew it
would be a nasty job, so i did a recon first to see what it was.
about the worst thing you could recover, big, heavy, center of mass
problems because long
L610[15:06:05] <APlayer> You just don't
use SRBs anywhere near the Mun
L611[15:06:12] <APlayer> It's that
simple
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L614[15:25:08] <Althego> lol and now i got
gravity surveys of the mun as contract, now that i come back with
the mapping
L615[15:25:17] <Althego> and 2 minmus
nodes coming up
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L632[15:48:06] <Althego> now there is some
time until bob comes back with the bulk of minmus science and the
probe with the gravity and seismic data (that was not available
when bob launched)
L633[15:49:16] <Althego> tomorrow i can
design the dual minmus recover thing
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L638[16:16:43] <darsie> alt... But will it
slow down enough for chute deployment?
L639[16:18:38] <Fluburtur> I have a dude
that made a fairly nice HUD for rc airplanes
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L647[17:02:49] <Einarr> taniwha: Are you
around?
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L649[17:07:53] <Fluburtur> so I was
talking with dudes
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L651[17:08:12] <Fluburtur> and got the
ideo to make a plane with an automatic BB gun that shoots through
the axle
L652[17:08:19] <Fluburtur> and do combat
with a friend
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L654[17:13:20] *
Einarr RTFM'd the answer he needed.
L655[17:14:07] <Einarr> On a related note,
Extraplanetary Launchpads' manual isn't as bloated and nearly
useless as other manuals I've had to deal with...
L656[17:14:37] <Einarr> taniwha: Good job
on a useable manaul. :)
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L665[18:01:09] <Fluburtur> do you know
where starman is by now?
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L667[18:02:23] <UmbralRaptor> Try JPL
Horizons?
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L670[18:05:08] <UmbralRaptor> snek?
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L674[18:13:52] <kmath> YouTube - Marble
Machine Cover Machine
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L677[18:38:41] <taniwha> Einarr: am
now
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L681[19:04:36] <Einarr> Well, I already
found the answer I was looking for, taniwha. Much priase for your
actually useable manual. :)
L682[19:04:58] <Einarr> Less praise for my
terrible typing, however...
L683[19:13:39] <taniwha> anything you'd
like me to add to it next?
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L693[20:15:40] <ve2dmn> taniwha: I have
not read the manual, but maybe a reminder to 'check yo staging'
?
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L696[20:21:06] <taniwha> ve2dmn: I'll see
if I can come up with something amusing
L697[20:21:19] <ve2dmn> I wonder how
Rocket Body 2012-11B got into the orbit it is in...
L698[20:21:36] <ve2dmn> 62k Apogee seems a
bit high
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L701[20:24:00] <ve2dmn> Check yo stagin is
amusing, but it save me a lot of trouble, so it's not completely
useless, as advice go
L702[20:24:23] <taniwha> oh, definitely,
but it does have to be presented in an amusing way
L703[20:24:46] <taniwha> for one, humor
makes things easier to learn and remember
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L705[20:49:41] <Einarr> taniwha: While
I've had EPL installed before, I'm actually finally getting around
to using it...building my first LKO Shipyard.
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L707[20:51:35] <taniwha> :)
L708[20:51:48] <Einarr> And only because
it will probably be easier to build my Near Future based Grand Tour
Ship, and associated landers on orbit than to build on Kerbin and
assemble them in orbit (the old fashioned way)...
L709[20:52:02] <taniwha> oh, very much
so
L710[20:52:15] <taniwha> and EL does not
prevent traditional orbital assembly, either
L711[20:52:20] <taniwha> rather, it
enhances it :)
L712[20:53:13] <Einarr> I had pinged you
in the long ago because I had a quick question regarding whether
Kethane was needed for getting Metal Ore.
L713[20:53:42] <Einarr> I was pleasantly
surprised to find that your manual not only had the info I needed,
but that said info was not buried in a lengthy to find place.
L714[20:54:44] <Einarr> (I'm looing at
/you/ ProjectApollo...)
L715[20:54:54] *
Einarr still can't type...
L716[20:55:40] <taniwha> loo! LOO!
L717[20:55:47] <taniwha> (similar to
boo:)
L718[20:56:27] <Einarr> As it turns out, I
don't even need to worry about Metal Ore, since I currently plan
only on the LKO shipyard...
L719[20:57:09] <Einarr> However, I am glad
to know I don't need Kethane if I do decide to deal with
Smelting...
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L724[20:57:51] <taniwha> 2.1.1 was the
easy to find info?
L725[20:57:56] <Einarr> (Note, the
ProjectApollo references a different, but similar game, not
KSP)
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L727[20:58:46] <Einarr> It took less than
20 minutes to find the section, and said section had more than a
few words.
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L729[20:59:07] <Einarr> The words it did
have were also useful.
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L731[21:00:24] <Einarr> So many mods for
various games I've dealt with would often have a sentence at most
for a particular thing, and what words were present were a waste of
space and provided no useful info.
L732[21:00:50] <taniwha> yeah
L733[21:01:04] <Einarr> Fairly common with
1 person development teams.
L734[21:01:14] <taniwha> one of the
reasons writing the manual is so hard is because I /know/ EL, but I
need to write for people who do /not/ know EL
L735[21:01:36] <taniwha> and that's
probably the problem for most manuals
L736[21:01:49] <Einarr> They'd go on at
length about installation, for example, but if you wanted special
configuration, GFL...
L737[21:02:04] *
Einarr smacks self for language...
L738[21:02:14] <taniwha> I've actually dug
through the EL thread looking for my posts explaining something,
pasting them into the document and then expanding on them
L739[21:03:33] <Einarr> Orbiter has some
wonderful, and well made mods...but even with the big ones, the
manuals often suffer.
L740[21:03:42] <taniwha> the manual is
essentially EL's FAQ in a more readable form
L741[21:05:25] <taniwha> thus why I ask
"anything you want added?" :)
L742[21:05:37] <Einarr> Of course, you
also have to consider that with some of those big mods
(ProjectApollo, for example) the problem isn't always a lack of
info, but too much.
L743[21:05:46] <taniwha> yeah
L744[21:07:20] <Einarr> For those who
don't know, Orbiter's ProjectApollo mod (or whatever it calls
itself these days...) is meant to realistically simulate every
aspect of the Apollo spacecraft, including LM, etc. They often
include real manual excerpts and mission data.
L745[21:08:21] <taniwha> oh, geez, that
would be a tough slog
L746[21:08:24] <Einarr> I can't think of
anything to add to EPL's manual offhand.
L747[21:08:30] <Einarr> The manual is
quite long.
L748[21:08:39] <taniwha> well, if you do,
please let me know
L749[21:08:51] <taniwha> and not
necessarily add, but expand, refine, trim...
L750[21:09:04] <taniwha> and it is for
both users and modders
L751[21:09:52] <Einarr> (this post and
last back to ProjectApoolo's manual) And when looking for the /one/
sentence that contains the relevant info you need at any particular
time, it can take awhile...
L752[21:10:08] <Einarr> Oh look, I still
can't type...
L753[21:10:49] <taniwha> oh, and I do
intend on adding an index :)
L754[21:11:13] <Einarr> Ah, hadn't gotten
to the end of the manual. Indexes are useful things to have.
L755[21:12:06] <Einarr> Oh, it's /only/ 25
pages long...
L756[21:13:07] <taniwha> hehe
L757[21:13:15] <Einarr> I do actually have
a suggestion.
L758[21:13:56] <Einarr> For the Survey
section, you might wish to add some pictures or other illustrations
showing the relationships between the stake modes.
L759[21:14:16] <taniwha> yeah,
planned
L760[21:14:19] <Einarr> Perhaps even some
example layouts showing some deployment patterns.
L761[21:14:30] <taniwha> ah, yeah, that
would be a good idea
L762[21:14:54] <taniwha> especially for
dealing with launch clamp supported structures on hillsides
L763[21:15:04] <Einarr> I may end up using
the Surveying thing later.
L764[21:15:39] <Einarr> And don't want to
end up with my creation spawning in the ground and summoning
Klang...
L766[21:16:36] <taniwha> I had some
problems with just that...
L767[21:16:57] <taniwha> (thus the
development of the floating tags on the stakes)
L769[21:17:44] <taniwha> the code for the
big boundary thing is still there but disabled
L770[21:18:08] <Einarr> Hmm...so what
resource do you get if you happen to recycle a Kerbal...
L771[21:18:10] <taniwha> I don't remember
what the problem was
L772[21:18:37] <taniwha> some scrap metal
and (if kethane is installed) kethane
L773[21:18:56] <Einarr> So Kerbals are
machines...
L774[21:19:11] <taniwha>
GameData/ExtraplanetaryLaunchpads/Resources/Kerbal.cfg
L775[21:19:22] <taniwha> no, the scrap
metal comes from their suits
L776[21:19:51] <taniwha> the kethane is
their organics (but violates entropy)
L777[21:19:57] <Einarr> Would have thought
those would be mostly some sort of plastic...
L778[21:20:12] <Einarr> The suits,
anyway...
L779[21:21:15] <taniwha> well, you get
only 39kg of Metal from a 93.75kg kerbal
L780[21:21:29] <taniwha> (an unsuited
kerbal is about 10kg)
L781[21:21:47] <taniwha> 44.75kg is
assumed to be other (plastics etc)
L782[21:22:28] <taniwha> I should probably
put some comments in Kerbal.cfg
L783[21:22:54] <Einarr> That's still an
awful lot of metal from those suits...
L784[21:23:05] <ve2dmn> is that the
'HumNoNoStop' part of something that recycles a Kerbel?
L785[21:23:21] <taniwha> ve2dmn: based on
it
L786[21:23:54] <taniwha> just before I
developed the recycling bins for EL, Majiir had made the
waitnonostop part for kethane
L787[21:24:22] <taniwha> I decided to
model it
L788[21:24:31] <ve2dmn> :D
L789[21:24:46] <taniwha> hmmm... could
recycle the plastics in the suit to kethane, too
L790[21:24:59] <taniwha> reduce some of
the negative loss on recycling a kerbal
L791[21:25:38] <Einarr> I will eventually
add a recycler to my shipyard, so I can recycle the supply
ships...
L792[21:26:31] <Einarr> (...and the
Kerbals Too Stupid For Anything Useful...)
L793[21:27:30] <Draconiator> Not sure
wether to call a mission earlier today a success or
failure...Originally wanted to put 3 commsats in orbit around Dres
ended up scratching one of them because both solar panels sheared
off...and the other two are in orbit but only have one panel
each.
L794[21:27:32] <taniwha> Einarr: get them
to level 2 or 3: they will not be useless
L795[21:27:38] <taniwha> (depends on the
workshop)
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L797[21:28:41] <Einarr> taniwha: This is a
Sandbox game, Career has gotten boring for me.
L798[21:29:03] <Einarr> Still rather
maximize productivity.
L799[21:29:27] <taniwha> oh, in that case
they're all level 5
L800[21:29:35] <Einarr> So Low Stupid and
Low Courage is what I'm after.
L801[21:29:35] <taniwha> (or should
be!)
L802[21:29:43] <Einarr> They'd better
be...
L803[21:29:51] <Einarr> Jeb's 6, but he's
Jeb...
L804[21:29:54] <taniwha> actually, if
badass, low stupid + high courage
L805[21:30:22] <Einarr> I don't have a way
to see that, or set it without manually editing my saves.
L806[21:30:33] <Einarr> Also, you might
want to put that in 2.2
L807[21:30:37] <taniwha> 0,1,true ->
productivity 2 :)
L808[21:30:56] <Draconiator> Does
stupidity have an effect though?
L809[21:31:07] <Einarr> You only mention
that badass has an effect there, but don't actually explain what
that effect is.
L810[21:31:32] <taniwha> yeah, 2.2 needs
more work
L811[21:31:44] <taniwha> I want to get
some graphs in
L812[21:32:01] <taniwha> Draconiator:
stupidity pulls productivity down
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L814[21:32:25] <Einarr> So, without
badass, low stupid, low courage, right?
L815[21:32:26] <taniwha> courage: depends,
but exacerbates the effect
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L818[21:33:20] <taniwha> Einarr: yeah, but
no matter what, if stupidity is < 0.5, the kerbal will be
productive (and always productive if high enough level)
L819[21:33:45] <Einarr> I'm in Sandbox,
may as well minmax...
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L821[21:34:13] <Einarr> Not like it costs
me anything but time to get good candidates.
L822[21:34:17] <taniwha> (when the
kerbal's level is high enough, the productivity gets passed through
(sqrt(p^2+1)+p)/2, which maps -inf..inf to 0..inf)
L823[21:35:06] *
Einarr gets burned by the sudden and unexpected appearance of
maths...
L824[21:35:07] <taniwha> so even -2 ->
0.12
L825[21:35:13] <taniwha> hehe
L826[21:35:37] <taniwha> I tried to avoid
having too much math in the manual
L827[21:35:40] <taniwha> for just that
reason
L828[21:36:06] <taniwha> 2->2.12
L829[21:36:28] <taniwha> 0->0.5
L830[21:37:03] <taniwha> and the range for
kerbals is -2..2, and all the above is done /before/ factoring in
the workshop's productivity factor
L831[21:39:08] <taniwha> uh oh, it appears
Einarr really did burn
L832[21:39:09] <ve2dmn> So the scansat
contract got all confused about which sat was which... but since
the primary objective is to map ou the planet, It still gave me my
reward...
L833[21:40:25] <ve2dmn> ... I was
deperatly triying to get the newer sat in the right orbit when the
contract went: "Ho wow. you already did 50% of the mapping
without the directives we gave you? you must be doing something
right. Here, have the reward"
L834[21:41:04] <taniwha> heh
L835[21:41:50] <ve2dmn> And with that, I
can finally unlocked the USI ART 'Jaw'
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L837[21:43:00] <Einarr> taniwha: Just
fired up KSP again to get some screenies...and you know how it
keeps you from doing anything else during startup...
L838[21:43:27] <taniwha> but KSP does not
keep me from doing anything else during start up
L839[21:43:44] <taniwha> (except the first
few seconds until the loading screen comes up)
L840[21:44:02] <taniwha> (I have heard
rumors of such, though)
L841[21:45:18] <Einarr> Right, that
loading screen takes a few hours for me...
L842[21:45:48] *
Einarr replaces some blown tubes...
L843[21:45:49] <taniwha> about 5 seconds
to get /to/ the loading screen, then I can do whatever I want
L844[21:45:57] <taniwha> but then, I use
linux :)
L845[21:46:16] <Einarr> Right, a few hours
to get /to/ the loading screen for me...
L846[21:46:28] <taniwha> seriously?
L847[21:46:33] <Einarr> And often at least
5 blown tubes...
L848[21:46:43] <taniwha> hehe
L849[21:46:58] <taniwha> (I know not
hours, but that long?)
L850[21:47:06] <Einarr> The fun part is
finding which ones in this mess...
L851[21:47:36] <Einarr> You think HDDs are
slow...try Core Memory...
L852[21:47:40] <taniwha> if I switch
desktops before the loading screen shows, KSP loads on the wrong
desktop
L853[21:49:01] <Einarr> What was the key
to hide the UI again?
L854[21:49:01] <taniwha> also, it helps
that my main machine has two monitors, and I have a second machine
with a third monitor and they're connected via synergy so I use one
kb+mouse for two machines :)
L855[21:49:05] <taniwha> f2
L856[21:49:51] <Einarr> It's f12 for the
screencap, right? Or is that just a Steam thing...
L857[21:49:52] <ve2dmn> ha synergy.
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L859[21:49:58] <ve2dmn> Love that
software
L860[21:50:02] <taniwha> that's a steam
thing
L861[21:50:09] <taniwha> f1 for KSP
L862[21:50:22] <taniwha> which puts the
screenshot into <KSPDIR>/Screenshots
L863[21:51:07] <taniwha> heh, aardvarks
are mini elephants (sort of, they're closely related)
L868[21:54:28] *
Einarr smacks kmath with a ruler.
L869[21:54:32] <Einarr> Quiet, you!
L870[21:54:58] <taniwha> nice
L871[21:54:59] <Einarr> That is to be the
core of my shipyard.
L872[21:55:18] <Einarr> I'll add resource
tanks later, along with the recycler.
L873[21:55:27] <Einarr> Still have to make
a launcher for it.
L874[21:55:32] <Einarr> ~30 tons
L875[21:55:37] <taniwha> I'd build it in
orbit
L876[21:55:41] <Einarr> Nearly empty,
even.
L877[21:55:52] <taniwha> only 150
kerbalhours :)
L878[21:56:15] <Einarr> Erm...I don not
have a shipyard in orbit currently...
L879[21:56:24] <Einarr> So unable to build
on orbit.
L880[21:56:36] <taniwha> check the section
on bootstrapping :)
L881[21:57:19] <Einarr> I also have no
other vessels or stations aside from my ScanSat probe enroute to
map the Mun.
L882[21:57:34] <taniwha> actually, 4.1's
advice on what to put on a station is the bootstrap process
L883[21:58:15] <taniwha> just need
something like a science lab (preferably with all 6 seats
activated), orbital dock, a supply of rocket parts and a control
node
L884[21:58:52] <taniwha> can then build
the workbench (only 1.5t, takes 4 kerbals)
L885[21:59:04] <taniwha> and a recycling
bin, and more storage
L886[21:59:19] <Einarr> The scence lab
only holds 2 Kerbals...
L887[21:59:21] <taniwha> then start
building the full core, flying up supplies as needed
L888[21:59:37] <taniwha> there's a mod
that patches the lab to hold the six it actually can
L889[22:00:33] <Einarr> Right, in any
case, I still have to put /something/ into orbit. Given Sandbox is
true, may as well be the core.
L890[22:00:59] <Einarr> I'm sending it up
empty aside from monoprop and the tiny amount of fuel for the
reactor.
L891[22:01:57] <Einarr> Still ~30 tons,
which is nothing for 3.75m rockets...
L892[22:02:03] <taniwha> true
L893[22:03:01] <Einarr> Hmm, filling the
workshop only adds ~10 tons...
L894[22:03:16] <taniwha> sounds about
right
L895[22:03:34] <Einarr> Whatever launcher
I'd overbuild can probably handle that no problem...
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L897[22:04:12] <Einarr> By Rocket
Workbench, you /do/ mean the big blue one in the screenies,
right?
L898[22:04:25] <taniwha> no, the funny
tower thing in pods
L899[22:04:32] <taniwha> at least, I think
it's still there
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L901[22:05:19] <Einarr> Oh, that... it is
still there...
L902[22:05:31] <taniwha> ok, couldn't
remember if I had moved it
L903[22:05:42] <taniwha> it's actually 4
external command seats
L904[22:05:47] <Einarr> Doesn't look like
it'd fit well with the rest of my station anyway.
L905[22:05:56] <taniwha> can always
recycle it :)
L906[22:06:02] <taniwha> (when done with
it)
L907[22:06:35] <Einarr> Won't need
it.
L908[22:06:46] <Einarr> Got a full
workshop in the core already.
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L911[22:07:25] <taniwha> wouldn't that be
the coolest place to work? :)
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L914[22:08:41] *
Einarr throws a micrometeorite at taniwha's suit at relativistic
relative velocities...
L915[22:08:59] <taniwha> bah, killjoy
:P
L916[22:12:22] <Einarr> Hmm...I do seem to
be short on 3.75m engines... :/
L918[22:13:59] <taniwha> 2000t to LKO
:)
L919[22:14:52] <taniwha> (getting that
thing onto the pad now is rather hit-or-miss, that was KSP
1.0)
L920[22:14:57] *
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L921[22:15:34] <taniwha> yeah, it was...
slow
L922[22:15:56] <Einarr> You can do better,
though...
L923[22:16:16] <Einarr> Next step, 2000 GT
to LKO.
L924[22:16:33] <taniwha> GT?
L925[22:16:38] <taniwha> oh,
gigatons
L926[22:16:43] <Einarr> yep
L927[22:17:08] <taniwha>
2*10^12kg...
L928[22:17:25] <taniwha> er, no
L929[22:17:28] <taniwha>
2*10^15kg...
L930[22:17:42] <taniwha> getting up there
with Gilly
L931[22:23:03] <taniwha> Minmus is
2.6*10^19kg (if you subscribe to the superdense hypothesis)
L932[22:23:06] <Einarr> Actually, closer
to 2.24*10^15 lbs. You're using the wrong units.
L933[22:24:38] <taniwha> the only pounds
used for getting to space in the last few decades are British
:P
L934[22:28:58] <Einarr> To be more
precise, 2.03209*10^15 kg. This is your new launcher requirement.
:P
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L936[22:31:33] <taniwha> that's a sphere
of water 60km across
L937[22:31:47] <taniwha> ie, half the size
of Minmus :P
L938[22:32:05] <taniwha> er, no it's
not
L939[22:32:39] <taniwha> goofed on t/m^3
and kg/l
L940[22:32:53] <taniwha> 6km across
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L942[22:37:20] <Einarr> Did autostruts go
away?
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L944[22:37:55] <taniwha> no, you need to
turn on advanced something
L945[22:38:07] <Einarr> I seem to remember
a mod that allowed me to set up how they were used...
L946[22:38:08] <taniwha> you can do it in
the in-game settings menu
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L949[22:39:25] <Einarr> Advanced
what?
L950[22:40:00] *
Einarr tries Advanced tweakables...
L951[22:40:51] <Einarr> Ah, that was
it.
L952[22:42:15] <taniwha> ah, yeah.
thanks
L953[22:52:16] <Einarr> Hmm...now I need a
mod to view and edit the stats of Kerbals... (i.e. check to see if
badass is present, and adjust courage as needed).
L954[22:53:18] <Einarr> ShipManifest used
to be capable of that (or was it one of the related mods...), but I
don't want to use that one now.
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L956[22:55:33] <taniwha> Einarr: might be
a good feature for KerbalStats
L957[22:55:53] <taniwha> care to knock up
a ui for KS? :)
L958[22:56:00] <taniwha> (save me some
work)
L959[22:56:37] <Einarr> KS one of
yours?
L960[22:57:11] <Einarr> Or has
linuxgurugamer absorbed it (like nearly everything else)?
L961[22:59:26] <taniwha> KS is one of
mine
L962[23:00:01] <Einarr> taniwha: I have no
experience with UIs in Unity, nor in actually creating one from
scratch. Only programming I've done was either console based, or in
Visual Basic...
L963[23:00:25] <taniwha> EL has a nice
chunk of UI code in it
L964[23:00:44] <Einarr> Not consoles as in
those things people play games on, either...
L965[23:01:19] <taniwha> yeah
L966[23:01:34] <Einarr> More like, command
prompt, text based affairs...
L967[23:04:02] <Einarr> I'd have to
reinstall my programming suite and likely fight with old student
keys that may be expired by now before I could even get
started...
L968[23:04:39] <taniwha> xterm, make, mono
and your favorite text editor :)
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L970[23:05:49] <Einarr> At least one of
those won't work on my system.
L971[23:06:02] <taniwha> only xterm
L972[23:06:19] <taniwha> but you do have
cmd.exe
L973[23:06:22] <Einarr> No, make is
definitely a Linux thing.
L974[23:06:29] <taniwha> my point is you
don't need a fancy programming suite
L975[23:06:35] <Einarr> Linux things don't
work on Windows.
L976[23:06:41] <taniwha> msys,
cygwin...
L977[23:06:58] <taniwha> the entire gnu
suite is available for windows
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L979[23:20:57] <Rokker> behold
L980[23:21:06] <Rokker> the most beautiful
aircraft
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L984[23:22:44] <taniwha> wow, that tail
fin is huge
L985[23:23:47] <Rokker> taniwha:
rude
L986[23:24:34] <Rokker> taniwha: that's
because it's a 727 without the tail engine
L987[23:25:44] <Rokker> no wait
L988[23:26:05] <Rokker> it's a 720, what
am I talking about
L989[23:26:08] <Rokker> ignore me
L990[23:26:16] <taniwha> /ignore
Rokker
L991[23:26:47] <taniwha> er, hang on, you
told me to ignore you, so I shouldn't ignore you because you told
me to ignore you
L992[23:27:09] <taniwha> "This
sentence is a lie." :)
L993[23:27:57] <Rokker> taniwha: anyways,
if you want a big tailfin, you should see what the museum has to
offer
L995[23:29:33] <taniwha> that's not as
big, proportionally
L996[23:30:30] <Rokker> taniwha: well, the
museum will get a C-5 soonish
L997[23:34:01] <Rokker> taniwha: you know
what I always found to have a silly big tailfin
L998[23:34:09] <Rokker> the 747SP
L1000[23:35:00] <taniwha> yeah, that
looks proportionally big
L1001[23:35:44] <Rokker> taniwha: it's
like half the length of a normal 747, with the same sized
empennage
L1002[23:36:02] <Rokker> might even be a
bit larger
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