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L3[00:02:32] <taniwha> JCB: oh, and I advice
reading the foot and margin notes. Some are informative and others
may be entertaining :)
L4[00:03:04] <taniwha> eg, footnote 18 on
page 19 :)
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L8[00:14:45] <Draconiator> those are
SpaceY's Fenrirs
L9[00:15:28] <Gasher[work]> the perfect KSP
screenshot would be taken against sunlight and when the craft is
completely in shade at the same time
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L13[00:26:30] <oren> Draconiator: I don't
see a problem here
L14[00:26:47] <Draconiator> lol
L15[00:27:49] <Draconiator> I saw one,
oops. so I changed to SpaceY's HUGE liquid engine. And I guess two
of those for starters.
L16[00:31:48] <JCB> taniwha I'll have a
look shortly.. was catching up on something and now food run.
L17[00:32:02] <taniwha> JCB: :)
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L19[00:33:52] <JCB> came across a channel
that deals with pilot training...
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L23[00:45:32] <Althego> lol
L24[00:45:47] <Althego> shameless self
ad
L25[00:46:09] <taniwha> you know he'll get
more than his money's worth ;)
L26[00:46:22] <Althego> it is free
L27[00:46:39] <taniwha> thust more
L28[00:46:41] <taniwha> er, thus
L29[00:46:42] <Althego> if i had el, i
would launch only from minmus
L30[00:46:56] <taniwha> yeah, Minmus seems
to be the best
L31[00:47:18] <taniwha> though getting good
interplanetary launches from Minmus takes a lot of planning
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L33[00:47:46] <Japa__> Is there any mod
with a star-trek bridge style cockpit/iva?
L34[00:48:00] <taniwha> Japa__: yeah, I
don't remember the name, though
L35[00:48:08] <taniwha> and it might be
long dead
L36[00:48:11] <Althego> it doesnt have much
of an orbital speed so it doesnt really matter
L37[00:48:36] <taniwha> Althego: you drop
your Pe down to LKO and then boost from there
L38[00:48:41] <taniwha> thus the tricky
timing
L40[00:49:07] <taniwha> got a Minus-Jool
transfer for something like 800m/s
L41[00:49:54] <Althego> yes that is oberth
effect for you, but ypu already spare a lot byt not having to
launch from kerbin
L42[00:50:10] <taniwha> oh,
definitely
L43[00:50:24] <taniwha> but the less ?V you
need to expend, the more payload you can take
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L45[00:51:55] <taniwha> ah, it was
Minmus-Duna for 564m/s
L46[00:52:32] <taniwha> though, tbh, I do
have to wonder how much it would have cost with a direct burn
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L52[01:09:06] <taniwha> ok, Duna-Minmus
/is/ cheaper when first dropping Kerbin pe to LKO and boosting from
there
L53[01:09:14] <taniwha> er,
Minmus-Duna
L54[01:11:00] <taniwha> direct is about
723m/s from circular orbit at Minmus altitude, but my setup was for
564m/s including getting out of low Minmus orbit
L55[01:12:35] <oren> Hmm, I should try that
"refuel in a high ellipse" thing Elon was talking
about
L56[01:13:47] <taniwha> about 1060m/s from
100km LKO
L57[01:14:32] <taniwha> (last was to check
my equations:)
L58[01:14:53] <oren> but mostly I've just
been designing my ships so I can tack on more and more fuel
tanks
L59[01:15:35] <taniwha> hang on, this means
I gave bad info earlier
L60[01:16:05] <taniwha> ah, well
L61[01:19:33] <taniwha> I guess I
misinterpreted the output of maxima
L62[01:19:49] <taniwha> (I guess it meant
no solution rather than the solution was 0)
L63[01:22:33] <taniwha> or I made I mistake
in the math then. there actually is a sweet spot
L64[01:23:56] <taniwha> somewhere around
8300km (650m/s)
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L69[01:33:58] <taniwha> ok, optimal
circular orbit radius is given by r = 2?/Vinf^2
L70[01:34:29] <taniwha> which gives 8375km
for Kerbin-Duna
L71[01:35:08] <taniwha> (give or take a bit
since your SoI exit velocity is not exactly Vinf)
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L77[01:44:45] <Mathuin> Grr. How much does
liquid fuel weigh per unit? What about oxidizer?
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L80[01:50:34] <taniwha> 5kg. same
L81[01:50:56] <taniwha> Mathuin: look in
GameData/Squad/Resources/ResourcesGeneric.cfg
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L83[01:51:23] <Mathuin> I saw 5kg/l on the
wiki but wasn't sure if units were liters.
L84[01:51:36] <taniwha> units are /not/
liters. the wiki is wrong
L85[01:51:46] <taniwha> the l should be
replaced with a u
L86[01:52:01] <taniwha> the standard unit
volume is 5l
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L88[01:55:02] <taniwha> heh, amsuing.
optimal Earth-Mars circular orbit is at 14.43 Earth radii. optimal
Kerbin-Duna circular orbit is at 13.96 Kerbin radii
L89[01:56:10] <taniwha> ah, that explains
much. Earth-Mars and Kerbin-Duna are to scale
L90[01:56:14] <taniwha> (close
enough)
L91[02:01:17] <oren> Duna windows are once
every 2 kerbin years certainly
L92[02:02:52] <taniwha> 1.5239999 for K-D
vs 1.5239835 for E-M
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L120[04:38:14] <Fluburtur> uh I should get
to building a VG-33
L121[04:38:24] <Fluburtur> I could easily
to it 1/10 scale
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L123[04:42:21] <mib_py3kcc> hi, looking to
buy KSP but the official store is down - i dont use steam and would
prefer to buy direct so more ends up with squad - is it likely that
the KSP site will relist the game + expansion as one pack on
release?
L124[04:43:03] <taniwha> one would hope
so
L125[04:44:05] <mib_py3kcc> tough decision
for me then! buy now or wait a month and see what the combined cost
is!
L126[04:44:07] <taniwha> mib_py3kcc: store
seems to be ok here
L127[04:45:05] <mib_py3kcc> yes sorry, by
down i mean closed for purchasing
L128[04:46:07] <taniwha> oh, hmm
L129[04:46:45] <taniwha> wonder when that
happened
L130[04:52:39] <mib_py3kcc> not sure, but
it gives me a tough choice to make!
L131[04:53:56] <TheKosmonaut> Around the
T2 buyout taniwha
L132[04:54:12] <TheKosmonaut> You can
still get Ksp on GOG I think
L133[04:54:46] <mib_py3kcc> do you think
the official store will come back @theKosmonaut?
L134[04:55:49] <mib_py3kcc> GOG or humble
seem to be the options currently unless you're a steam user
L135[04:56:10] <Althego> abban az esetben
ha a spolwhat, there is no store now?
L136[04:56:38] <taniwha> TheKosmonaut:
suspected as much
L137[04:57:11] <taniwha> Althego: pretty
much
L138[04:57:21] <taniwha> can still
download if you bought, but...
L139[04:57:25] <Althego> i could see the
links. are they not working then?
L140[04:57:37] <Althego> because i bought
it in the store
L141[04:57:42] <Althego> there was no gog
version then
L142[04:57:48] <Althego> and gog is worse
because they delay it
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L146[04:59:58] <mib_py3kcc> how does gog
work?
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L150[05:09:22] <TheKosmonaut> mib_py3kcc:
it's as of yet not known to the moderators
L151[05:09:38] <TheKosmonaut> Though I
*think* it'll be on when the update and Dlc drop
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L154[05:21:34] <Fluburtur> well I soaked
my heli in wd40 so I guess it should be lubricated enough
L155[05:23:08] <mib_py3kcc> i've got my
fingers crossed for a combined game, update & dlc pack at a
package price! one can hope!
L156[05:23:28] <Fluburtur> there is wd40
everywhere
L157[05:23:42] <Fluburtur> was a bright
idea turning on the thing while it is full of oil
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L159[05:31:28] <TheKosmonaut> mib_py3kcc:
I wouldn't hold my breath
L160[05:31:37] <TheKosmonaut> But I do
hope that's the case for your sake
L161[05:33:20] <Gasher[work]> WD-40 has so
strong and lasting smell that it make me think of using it as
perfume
L163[05:55:08] <APlayer> WD-40 can be used
for everything
L164[05:55:46] <APlayer> I mean, really.
If you have duct tape and WD-40, you can repair 50% of all the
things that can break
L165[06:01:07] <Fluburtur> well what do I
have to do now
L166[06:01:18] <Fluburtur> make a training
gear for my heli and repair the canadair
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L169[06:18:52] <Vooloo> What fuel tank is
good for the mammoth engine?
L170[06:21:03] <Althego> the bigger the
better :)
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L172[06:43:52] <Fluburtur> yo Deddly
L173[06:44:21] <Deddly> yo!
L174[06:44:34] <Deddly> Wassup?
L175[06:44:38] <Althego> check yo
stagin
L176[06:44:42] <Fluburtur> I got a
heli
L177[06:45:28] <Mat2ch> Althego: oh no. I
started my heli and the blades flew off
L178[06:46:10] <Deddly> Fluburtur, nice! I
got a mini quadcopter
L180[06:46:30] <kmath> YouTube - heli rev
2
L181[06:46:39] <Deddly> My first flying
RC
L182[06:46:58] <Deddly> (If you don't
count the HPI Savage, which can do some pretty great jumps ;)
L183[06:47:05] <Fluburtur> heh
L184[06:47:51] <Deddly> Fluburtur, don't
you risk over-revving the engine if you spin it up like that with
no load?
L185[06:48:00] <Fluburtur> nah
L186[06:48:10] <Fluburtur> electric motors
don't have that kind of problem
L187[06:48:17] <Deddly> I suppose that's
true
L188[06:48:48] <Fluburtur> k let's try to
launch a 50t test payload
L189[06:50:55] <Deddly> Your heli will
never lift that ;)
L190[06:51:09] <Fluburtur> yeah I
guess
L191[06:57:00] <APlayer> Hi Deddly!
L192[06:57:02] <Fluburtur> k my koyuz
heavy rocket can launch a 47t payload all the way to jool
L193[06:57:10] <Deddly> Hey there
APlayer
L194[06:57:33] <Deddly> That's nice,
Fluburtur. But did you send a cherry-red Tesla Roadster?
L195[06:57:56] <Fluburtur> no I jsut send
a bunch of full ore tanks
L196[06:58:05] <Fluburtur> but I could
send a dozen cars if I wanted
L197[06:58:21] <APlayer> No, only a Space
Oddity-singing Starkerb
L198[06:58:22] <Gasher[work]> send a steam
locomotive
L199[06:58:56] <Deddly> They should have
sent a Tesla truck, just saying.
L200[06:59:55] <APlayer> Also, Tesla
should have been playing Check yo Stagin'
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L203[07:00:49] <Deddly> Ah yes. But that
would have possibly been an unfortunate choice if it did end up as
fireworks
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L206[07:01:31] <Fluburtur> I wonder how
far I can send my shuttle
L207[07:02:28] <Mat2ch> Depends on the
amount of boosters. :D
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L209[07:04:50] <Fluburtur> my shuttle can
barely make it past Duna
L210[07:05:17] <Fluburtur> but well, it
was only made to go to my station
L211[07:10:09] <Vooloo> I cant find a
control module for my lifter, so I can take control of it and
deorbit it, any tips? I have tweakscale
L212[07:10:55] <Fluburtur> I usually clip
a probe core somewhere in the rocket
L213[07:11:17] <Deddly> Vooloo, can you
give us a picture?
L214[07:12:05] <Vooloo> it is a mammoth
engine with 2 big kerbodyne fuel tanks
L215[07:13:50] <taniwha> sounds like you
do not have a probe core on it
L216[07:14:04] <Deddly> Isn't there an
inline probe core in that size?
L217[07:14:05] <taniwha> because
otherwise, you /would/ have control of it
L218[07:14:25] <Vooloo> yes I need a probe
core that big
L219[07:14:44] <taniwha> Vooloo: or do you
mean in the vab, rather than in-flight? (if so, I apologize)
L221[07:15:40] <Vooloo> the probe cores I
have are too small, is there one for the biggest tank
L223[07:18:22] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: that
looks like a heavy lifting vehicle
L224[07:18:36] <Fluburtur> I did name it
"koyuz heavy"
L225[07:18:44] <Fluburtur> it's the one
that can send 50 tons of crap to jool
L226[07:18:51] <Fluburtur> 200t to LKO I
think
L227[07:18:56] <Vooloo> yeah remote
guidance unit, I need to unlock that, thanks
L228[07:19:41] <Deddly> NP
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L233[07:23:22] <Vooloo> Do you stabilize
orbit with your lifter, or have the payload do it?
L234[07:24:19] <Deddly> Vooloo, that
depends on you. Both methods are perfectly viable :)
L235[07:24:56] <Deddly> Vooloo, though if
you are planning on deorbiting and landing your lifter, that will
require a much larger booster
L236[07:25:10] <Deddly> Because you're
basically making an SSTO
L237[07:27:42] <Deddly> I mean, if you're
aiming for fully reusable
L238[07:29:40] <Vooloo> Im just landing it
with parachutes now
L239[07:32:01] <Deddly> Vooloo, here's the
thing with KSP: You can only really control one thing at a time. So
if you want to land and keep the booster, you have to either
circularise the payload with the booster or put it in a
sufficiently-high orbit that it won't re-enter before the booster
has landed (If it re-enters the atmosphere whilst you are
controlling the booster, the payload might be deleted from the
game, likewise, if you are controlling
L240[07:32:01] <Deddly> the payload whilst
the booster re-enters, the booster will be deleted from the
game.
L241[07:32:21] <Deddly> )
L242[07:32:49] <Vooloo> thats why I put a
probe on both
L243[07:33:17] <Vooloo> but it seems
easier to circularise with the lifter itself than catapult the
payload
L244[07:33:19] <Fluburtur> I usually put
my booster on a high suborbital trajectory this way I can orbit the
payload before the booster reenters
L245[07:34:00] <Deddly> Beware that the
craft can be deleted even if they have probe cores, if they are on
a suborbital trajectory.
L246[07:34:41] <Fluburtur> I have some
space junk that has a peri of like 30km but since it's never within
physics range it never gets deleted
L247[07:34:51] <Fluburtur> because it's
also higher than the limit for automatic deletion
L248[07:35:20] <Deddly> Hmm
L249[07:35:26] <Deddly> Fluburtur, with a
probe core?
L250[07:35:30] <Fluburtur> yeah
L251[07:35:55] <Deddly> Interesting.
Debris with no probe gets deleted if it just touches the
atmosphere
L252[07:36:16] <Deddly> Fluburtur, but of
course, if you want to get rid of that, you can just follow it
down
L253[07:37:59] <Fluburtur> yeah but I like
having a lot of junk in orbit
L254[07:38:10] <Fluburtur> I still hope to
get some collision or something
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L256[07:42:37] <Fluburtur> k let's see if
I solved the motor problem on my canadair
L257[07:46:05] <Fluburtur> I need toc
harge the battery first
L258[07:46:27] <Deddly> Is that the
amphibious plane?
L259[07:46:34] <Fluburtur> yeah
L260[07:46:43] <Deddly> What was the motor
problem?
L261[07:47:14] <Fluburtur> motor would
stall and run slower
L262[07:47:27] <Fluburtur> and since it's
a twin, it's a bad thing
L263[07:48:01] <Fluburtur> while it is
charging I will try to salvage the fuel of the failed rocket engine
from the other day
L265[07:48:39] <APlayer> "If you
somehow put your car in orbit [...]"
L266[07:48:41] <Deddly> fluLOL nice
L267[07:48:46] <Deddly> er, odd typo
L268[07:48:54] <Deddly> APlayer, LOL
nice
L269[07:49:35] <Deddly> Fluburtur,
Interesting issue. What was causing that?
L270[07:50:31] <Fluburtur> I don't really
know
L271[07:50:38] <Fluburtur> I guess the
motor itself had an issue
L272[07:50:48] <Fluburtur> if not it's the
ESC and that would be very annpoying
L274[07:52:13] <Deddly> Fluburtur, what
have you don't to solve it?
L275[07:52:27] <Deddly> Ooh, magic
boulder
L276[07:52:32] <Fluburtur> what
L277[07:52:55] <Deddly> Fluburtur, what
have you done to solve it?
L278[07:53:04] <Fluburtur> changed the
motor
L280[07:53:18] <Fluburtur> I also tried to
change the ESC timing but I don't think it did much
L281[07:53:40] <Deddly> APlayer, I was
just looking at that :D
L282[07:53:52] <Deddly> Fluburtur, ah,
cool. Let's hope it works, then :)
L283[07:54:13] <APlayer> I can't believe
how close he was way back then, haha
L284[07:54:21] <Fluburtur> yeah I would
really like to fly it next weekend
L285[07:54:25] <Fluburtur> show it to my
uncle
L286[07:55:24] <Fluburtur> uh
L287[07:55:28] <Fluburtur> I smoked my
room again
L288[07:56:55] <Fluburtur> I managed to
light some of the fuel that was left in the rocket tube
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L290[07:58:05] <Deddly> Fluburtur, I'm
just trying to work out how you managed to do that accidentally
when you couldn't light it when you tried
L291[07:58:32] <Fluburtur> it wasn't
accidental actually
L292[07:58:46] <Fluburtur> the fuel that
was stuck to the sides of the cardboard tube was dry
L293[07:59:06] <Fluburtur> but I recovered
a lot of fuel that is wet so im gonna try to dry it and make into a
powder
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L298[08:17:38] <Deddly> ;tell TheKosmonaut
hi
L299[08:17:38] <kmath> Deddly: I'll let
thekosmonaut know when I see them
L300[08:17:49] <TheKosmonaut> bye
L301[08:18:03] <Deddly> :)
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L309[08:53:41] <TheKosmonaut> what is
that, a single copter quad copter? Get your silly inventions out of
here!
L310[08:53:51] <Fluburtur> lel
L311[08:54:13] <Fluburtur> well actually
it's called a training gear but it's probably rigid enough to fly
on its own
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L319[09:19:44] <ve2dmn> "Pay no mind
to the man in the corner"
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L328[09:43:36] <Althego> hehe attack of
the earthlings
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L330[09:44:46] <Draconiator> Woooooo....so
happy my newest ship works as intended.
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L340[10:13:05] <ve2dmn> You know that
feeling when you've been working on something for a long time and
it finally works
L341[10:13:45] <ve2dmn> Ho, sure, it's not
perfect, has a lot of quirks you need to fix, but at least you get
a greeting instead of a fatal error
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L344[10:15:30] <ve2dmn> Althego: it looks
like a nice game. I'll put it on the list of 'games I will buy but
never really play because I have too many and pnly play the 5 same
games anyway'
L345[10:15:48] <Althego> hehe
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L349[10:27:25] <ve2dmn> I'm not sure what
I would do if I had a drone.
L350[10:28:36] <ve2dmn> The tech looks
cool, but I have no use for them :/
L351[10:29:08] <oren> ve2dmn: start a
drone delivery business?
L352[10:29:24] <halcyon_b> Yeah, I'm sure
it's a failure of imagination, but I'm not sure what practical use
I have for drones at this stage.
L353[10:29:28] <ve2dmn> Why would I
deliver drones?
L354[10:29:38] <halcyon_b> ve2dmn +1
L355[10:29:48] <oren> ve2dmn: no, you
deliver things, using drones
L356[10:30:44] <ve2dmn> Not useful: I'm
still gonna be at work when the drone shows up at my door
L357[10:31:24] <oren> like things that
need to go from Alice to Betty without being seen by Crol
L358[10:31:31] <ve2dmn> So it will leave a
drone-signed paper saying that I need to pickup my package at the
drone facility
L359[10:32:10] <ve2dmn> And of course that
wharehouse is going to be in the middle of some industrial
district
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L361[10:32:58] <Althego> unless you
deliver drones with drones
L362[10:33:12] <Althego> you like drones
so we put a drone in your drone :)
L363[10:33:12] <oren> ve2dmn: no, buy a
drone, and use craig's list to find people who need things
delivered discreetly from point a to point b
L364[10:33:27] <Althego> discreetly with a
drone? lol
L365[10:33:30] <ve2dmn> Which is only
going to be opened to the public during bank hours
L366[10:33:36] <Althego> if it was the
standard way of transportation...
L367[10:33:42] <Althego> but currently it
stands out too much
L368[10:34:08] <oren> ve2dmn: yeah I know,
purolator sucks
L369[10:34:16] <ve2dmn> oren: There is
already plenty of bike courriers in town... I doubt I can be
cheaper then they are
L370[10:34:47] <ve2dmn> oren: not just
Purolator. UPS. DHL. They all do this. Annoying
L371[10:35:24] <oren> ve2dmn: you can get
UPS to deliver to your workplace
L372[10:35:33] <oren> purolator no
chance
L373[10:36:03] <ve2dmn> Canada Post has
the reverse problem: the mail carrier assume everyone is at work
doesn't even try to ring my door.
L374[10:36:08] <oren> they made me take a
bus halfway to Waterloo
L375[10:36:17] <ve2dmn> luckely the
Offices are all over the place.
L376[10:37:57] <ve2dmn> oren: the
Purolator warehouse in Montreal is not really accessible by
bus
L377[10:38:21] <ve2dmn> same with UPS and
DHL.
L378[10:38:53] <ve2dmn> I rarely order
anything online these days if I can't get it via Canada Post
L380[10:42:10] <Althego> hehe he hit the
bar in the worst place
L381[10:42:18] <Althego> or rather we dont
know about kerbal anatomy
L382[10:42:51] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: that
Kerbal is gonna get a nice dose of whatever is going out of that
dish
L383[10:43:14] <Althego> maybe just wanted
to get warmer
L384[10:43:53] <ve2dmn> Or make
popcorn
L385[10:44:17] <oren> Althego: he's also
surrounded by various nuclear reacotrs
L386[10:44:30] <Althego> time to listen to
godless engineer while playing ksp
L387[10:47:26] <ve2dmn> oren: I was about
to make a joke about how Waterloo isn't the worse industrial
district, but I just saw the news about Mississauga
L388[10:47:45] <ve2dmn> so... not the time
to joke about that :/
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L390[10:54:49] <oren> remind me when I get
home to clean up my munar industrial district, it's full of
junk
L391[10:55:41] <oren> actually I can't
even remember when I last wen tthrough and deleted the space
junk
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L406[11:29:49] <Fluburtur> uh I didn't
mean to do that
L408[11:29:54] <kmath> YouTube - Mario
Paint - Through the Fire and Flames - Dragonforce
L409[11:30:57] <Vooloo> why is it
impossible to put two docking ports together in the VAB?
L410[11:31:06] <Fluburtur> it isn't?
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L412[11:32:27] <Vooloo> I can't match
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L414[11:33:48] <GurrenLagannCWP> Where I
can find the KSP installer?
L415[11:35:42] <oren> GurrenLagannCWP: you
download it from website
L416[11:36:13] <oren> GurrenLagannCWP:
after you log in with your email and password
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L418[11:40:45] <halcyon_b> I wish I'd
bought KSP from Squad, instead of picking it up through Steam
L419[11:41:18] <GurrenLagannCWP> I'm
logged in the website, where do i go?
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L421[11:44:16] <UmbralRaptor> "My
Account"
L422[11:44:53] <Fluburtur> I tested the
canadair with the new motor and it seems to work
L423[11:47:51] <GurrenLagannCWP> I want
the KSP Installer - 1.2.2
L424[11:48:00] <GurrenLagannCWP> to
convert to 1.3.0
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L429[12:21:19] <Mathuin> ve2dmn:
yesterday's achievement in avoiding homework was writing kOS code
to calculate apo and peri for resonant orbits.
L430[12:21:37] <ve2dmn> congrat, I
guess
L431[12:22:27] <Mathuin> Yay math.
L432[12:22:48] <Mathuin> What have you
been doing lately?
L433[12:24:11] <ve2dmn> not much
L434[12:24:24] <ve2dmn> I bought FF12 for
PC
L435[12:26:07] <Althego> heh
L436[12:26:16] <Althego> i nevr played any
of the ff games ever
L437[12:26:49] <Fluburtur> uh can't wait
to get my battery
L439[12:31:39] <kmath> YouTube - Metallica
- Battery (HD)
L440[12:31:40] <ve2dmn> Althego: I would
normaly say that you don't know what you are missing, but if it's
not your thing then 'meh'
L441[12:32:01] <Althego> who knows.
another line of jrpgs
L442[12:32:26] <Althego> just as i never
played the shining whatevers and the tales of whatevers
L443[12:32:51] <Althego> (shining
whatevers have tony as character designer)
L444[12:32:52] <ve2dmn> All different
experiences, even in the same genre
L446[12:33:21] <kmath> YouTube - Van Canto
- Battery (Official)
L447[12:33:37] <UmbralRaptor> "we've
found countless exoplanets from JWST and TESS"
L448[12:33:53] <UmbralRaptor> No, just
TESS. JWST won't do surveys.
L449[12:33:53] <Althego> wait, is tess
even launched yet?
L450[12:34:09] <UmbralRaptor> Althego:
March. Lightfoot is talking 2030.
L451[12:34:56] <Althego> if kepler gave us
sevral thousand candidates, a more advanced one could give us thens
of thousands
L452[12:35:29] <UmbralRaptor> Gah, wrong
channel.
L453[12:35:40] <Althego> hah, one anti
flat earther talked about hungarian flat earther experiment
L454[12:36:11] <UmbralRaptor> TESS is in
some ways a sidegrade from Kepler. All sky, but brighter/closer
stars and short period planets.
L456[12:38:13] <ve2dmn> I'll believe the
hype and I'll be disapointed when it's 2years late and
half-finished
L457[12:39:38] <ve2dmn> I never
learn
L458[12:40:05] <Draconiator> Alien life
doesn't have to be intelligent for us to know that aliens
exist....just a simple slime mold equivalent would do.
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L461[12:49:42] <ve2dmn> You think there's
intelligent life on earth? I have my doubts
L462[12:52:22] <Althego> probably not by
galactic standards
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L465[12:54:57] <ve2dmn> I would be
interested in reading this definition of intelligence by a galatic
equivalent of the ISO group
L466[12:56:23] <Althego> there was a short
story about this
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L470[13:00:24] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: plot
twist, we find tardigrades everywhere in our solar system... did we
seed them, or did they did come from elsewhere?
L471[13:01:13] <Althego> the story was
about two non organic life forms who discovered sign of life on
earth, but they also noted that it was the only completely organic
they knew of so they rather kept the discovery a secret
L472[13:03:02] <oren> Althego:
"They're made of meat?"
L474[13:03:22] <Althego> how do they
communicate. it is meat flapping
L475[13:03:30] <Althego> yes this
L476[13:03:44] <oren> "They made the
machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the
machines."
L477[13:04:08] <Althego> i like this and
the road not taken too
L478[13:04:27] <ve2dmn> I wonder how life
could be not-organic
L479[13:04:37] <oren> " They can even
sing by squirting air through their meat." "
L480[13:04:47] <oren> best line
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L482[13:09:22] <ve2dmn> I doubt you could
get sentient sillicon crystals
L483[13:09:38] <ve2dmn> then again...
maybe it's a lack of imagination
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L485[13:11:21] <Althego> working on it
:)
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L487[13:23:09] <SnoopJeDi> ve2dmn, what do
you think of The Andromeda Strain?
L488[13:23:21] <ve2dmn> never read
it
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L493[13:29:17] <Althego> damn these
tourists, mun to minmus transfers are bad
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L500[13:53:53] <Alexander_Lem> Hi there.
I'm now compiling my 1.3.1 modlist and I can't find Ferram
aerospace 1.3.1. Does FAR 1.3 version work with KSP 1.3.1
properly?
L501[13:54:48] <Althego> probably
not
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L505[14:06:19] <Draconiator> Yeesh, how
cold does an air duster can get anyway? I'm emptying my nearly
empty one to throw away and....talk about antarctica in a can
here...
L506[14:08:56] <SnoopJeDi> Q = W =
?PdV
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L512[14:31:30] *
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L513[14:33:16] *
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L514[14:33:34] <SnoopJeDi> Fluburtur, you
seem to have proven the Flat Earth Hypothesis
L515[14:34:42] <APlayer> Did I miss
something?
L516[14:34:45] <Fluburtur> I just proved
clouds are holograms
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L526[15:10:56] <Draconiator> I can just
imagine if aliens have some sort of Wikipedia....."Earth is a
planet that was recently found, and the dominant form of life are
apparently bipedal apes that are only capable of orbiting planets
in their own solar system. Reccomend complete avoidance at all
costs, since they also seem unstable, and likely to lash out at a
moments notice. And they would also probably destroy their own
planet if they got their han
L527[15:11:46] <Draconiator> face it, us
humans are not the sharpest screws in the ddrawer...
L528[15:13:14] <APlayer> I recently saw an
interesting idea, I think on Reddit
L529[15:14:17] <APlayer> So, there is
plenty of Sci-Fi literature around where humanity encounters some
sort of monster alien race. But consider a new turn: What if we
introduce an alien race, but humanity are the monsters?
L530[15:17:08] <APlayer> I guess the point
is that we have flaws, even lots of them. But we cannot say if we
are a bad species or not unless we find other intelligent life to
compare.
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L535[15:27:36] <SnoopJeDi> (notice: that
is a tvtropes.org link, you have been warned)
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L538[15:31:16] <ve2dmn> SnoopJeDi: what
have you done?
L539[15:31:28] <ve2dmn> (which is probably
another tvtrope)
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L541[15:40:51] <SnoopJeDi> I would be
shocked if it weren't :D
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L546[16:06:31] <ve2dmn> SnoopJeDi: My
favorite one is "Luke, I am your overused plot
device!"
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L558[17:26:46] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Will the orbit be unbroken?
L559[17:27:46] <ve2dmn> No. The Sun will
engulf all. Time will decay the orbit. Entropy will win.
L560[17:28:25] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: I'd
think the object in orbit would be perturbed out of it first.
L561[17:28:35] *
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L562[17:28:55] <ve2dmn> Twinerer: look up
"The last question"
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L565[17:31:05] <Scolar_Visari> Remember,
kids: If someone mentions that Russia is pulling out of the ISS in
the near future, you're perfectly okay completely ignoring whatever
comes afterwords.
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L567[17:31:29] *
Scolar_Visari mutters something about part of the Russian Orbital
Segment actually being American owned.
L568[17:32:15] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: the
ISS and Antartica are one of the few places with cooperation is
still the primary objective
L569[17:33:35] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Well, yes and no. Roscosmos had expressed building something akin
to Mir 2 in the future, but they tend to leave out important
details in their state press releases.
L570[17:35:19] <Scolar_Visari> Antarctica,
however, is really just a battleground for the hearts and minds of
the local Penguin empires.
L571[17:36:26] <Scolar_Visari> The
illusion of cooperation will breakdown once the locals are
impressed into warfare over the presumably valuable reserves of
fish.
L572[17:37:06] <Fluburtur> maybe it is
time to befriend the mooses and ask for their help then
L573[17:37:16] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
Wrong side of the planet.
L574[17:37:25] <Scolar_Visari> Mooses
cannot survive in the ANTarctic.
L575[17:37:26] <Fluburtur> shhh
L576[17:37:44] *
Scolar_Visari is really close to renaming the frozen continent,
"Antiarctica".
L577[17:38:45] <Supernovy> Penguin
empires? Come on. There's no such thing as an... Emperor...
woah.
L578[17:38:52] <ConductorCat> The circle
away from bears.
L579[17:38:53] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
GOD EMPEROR OF ANTIARCTICA
L580[17:39:04] <Scolar_Visari> THE ICE
MUST FLOW
L581[17:39:32] <ve2dmn> I doubt the great
Beaver alliance would let any Moose diplomacy go unanswered
L582[17:39:49] <ve2dmn> espacially from
the other side of the planet
L583[17:40:06] <Supernovy>
Orcasign...
L584[17:40:13] *
Scolar_Visari simply wouldn't take the present NASA FY2019 budget
proposal seriously at this moment.
L585[17:40:42] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
I'm more in fear of the Penguin SEAL commandos
L586[17:41:01] *
UmbralRaptor stares at Education directorate and WFIRST
numbers.
L587[17:41:30] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: What numbers? It's zero!
L588[17:41:42] <ve2dmn> NaN
L589[17:41:44] <UmbralRaptor>
Exactly!
L590[17:42:13] <Scolar_Visari> Again, it's
simply not worth taking seriously, particularly since critical
members of America's Congress are . . . less than enthused about
the ISS strategy.
L591[17:42:37] <oren> does the penguin
empire have any de jue territory outside antarctica?
L592[17:42:51] <ve2dmn> oren: no, aside
from some passing icebergs
L593[17:43:00] <Scolar_Visari> oren: Yes.
Pretty much any zoo with an Antarctic exhibit is sovereign
territory.
L594[17:43:10] <icefire> ;c nan +
nan
L595[17:43:11] <kmath> icefire: Unknown
token: nan
L596[17:43:13] <icefire> sick
L597[17:43:43] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn is
almost certainly a spy for Clan Polar Bear.
L598[17:43:58] <ve2dmn> Am not!
L599[17:44:09] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Then where did those ER clan weapons come from!?
L600[17:44:10] <oren> ;c
printf("%d",2+077&7);
L601[17:44:10] <kmath> oren: Unknown
token: printf
L602[17:44:25] <oren> bah, so it's not
C
L603[17:44:29] <icefire> calculate, not C
;)
L604[17:44:32] <icefire> ;help c
L605[17:44:32] <kmath> icefire: c
<expression> evaluates an infix math expression
L606[17:44:40] <Supernovy> Ursa
Borealis?
L607[17:44:41] <ve2dmn> icefire:
Python
L608[17:44:50] <oren> bah
L609[17:44:56] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: Also, there's not really an increase for the proposed
Lunar missions.
L610[17:45:13] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: I
have all the Black Market Receipt. You can't prove anything!
L611[17:45:58] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Clanner scum! The Great House of the Penguin Empire will
prevail!
L612[17:46:27] <ve2dmn> The Clan of the
Snowy Owl shall destroy you from above!
L613[17:46:49] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Neg! I challenge you to a Trial by Combat!
L614[17:47:28] <Supernovy> Snovy Owl
L615[17:49:15] <UmbralRaptor> Type Ia
Owl
L617[17:49:37] <kmath> YouTube - The
silent flight of an owl - Natural World: Super Powered Owls Preview
- BBC Two
L618[17:50:23] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: If
it's silent flight, how am I supposed to hear it? Is this like
hearing the sound of Red October's silence?
L619[17:51:20] <Scolar_Visari> If a
Typhoon-class submarine initiates its magnetohydrodynamic
propulsion system and no one picks it up on a hydrophone, does it
make a sound?
L620[17:52:24] <ve2dmn> btw, I'm still
looking for a name for my Size 2-class space stations
L621[17:52:47] <Scolar_Visari> Standard
Module 2?
L622[17:53:02] <legion> Scolar, of course
it makes a sound, there is just noone listening.
L623[17:53:20] <Mathuin> What are their
distinguishing characteristics? Just a bump up in size?
L624[17:54:59] <ve2dmn> The old
Hexacore-class is going to be decomissioned
L627[17:56:39] <ve2dmn> Fun, but part
count is too high, so docking is a PAIN
L628[17:56:57] <Scolar_Visari>
Exhibition-class, Glass Menagerie-class, Crystal
Prison-class.
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L630[17:57:31] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: I
think there at least *was* a mod that would transform assembled
vehicles into single parts and cut down on actual part count.
L631[17:58:06] <ve2dmn> My CPU would still
scream for mercy
L632[17:58:32] <Scolar_Visari> Psht, you
should see mine struggle to load Warhammer Total War.
L633[17:58:51] <ve2dmn> plus the newer
model is this game's first deployment of Large Konstruction
ports
L634[17:59:28] <ve2dmn> Sadly, I missed my
mark with the hotel, so 1 side is a few degrees off
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L636[17:59:37] <ve2dmn> it annoys me to no
end
L637[18:00:00] *
Scolar_Visari recalls there being monolithic Stanford Torus mods,
though how one would go about launching those in one piece is a
mystery.
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L639[18:02:18] <Scolar_Visari> I got it!
Chamber of Secrets-class Space Station
L640[18:02:39] <Scolar_Visari> Opening the
hidden module releases a super-carnivore.
L641[18:04:49] *
Scolar_Visari is actually keeping the best names for future Elite
Dangerous ships.
L642[18:05:17] <Twinerer> On the subject
of thigns difficult to launch, how do you do planetary
installations lol
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L644[18:05:54] <Scolar_Visari> Twinerer:
Read NASA's Design Reference Architecture, follow the
instructions.
L645[18:06:12] <Twinerer> O.O
L646[18:06:29] <Scolar_Visari> Step one:
Get a heavy lift vehicle with 100 metric tons to Low Earth
Orbit.
L647[18:08:08] <UmbralRaptor> Is it okay
if that 100 tonnes consists of wings, a cargo bay, and crew
accomodations for 7?
L648[18:08:57] <Fluburtur> well bed
time
L649[18:09:01] <Fluburtur> my head
hurts
L650[18:09:15] <Fluburtur> probably
because I smoked my room with rocket candy again
L651[18:09:39] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: Nonsense. The STS would've been ~70 tons!
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L653[18:10:21] <Scolar_Visari> Alas, one
wonders what Energia could've done.
L656[18:16:43] <Scolar_Visari> Can it play
Doom 2 or Chex Quest?
L657[18:17:14] <Draconiator> I remember I
had upgraded it to 512MB RAM, 160GB HDD, and nVidia Geforce4
MX
L658[18:17:48] <ve2dmn> So... I went down
the rabbid hole of Wikipedia
L659[18:17:57] <ve2dmn> looking for Greek
and Roman deiti
L660[18:17:59] <Scolar_Visari> That's
funny. A lot of those types of 'pooters have integrated GPUs.
L661[18:18:05] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
That's a long, confusing list.
L662[18:18:12] <Scolar_Visari> Mars >
Ares, btw.
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L665[18:31:08] <Scolar_Visari> Welcome
back, icefire. Much has changed since your departure
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L667[18:31:14] <Scolar_Visari> The channel
is a . . . changed place.
L668[18:31:22] <icefire> damage
report
L669[18:31:29] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: I
found the list I needed... now I only need to choose between a
Greek, Norse, Babylonian Sumerian, Shinto, Slavic, ...
L670[18:31:49] <Scolar_Visari> While you
were away, #KSPOfficial transitioned into the Immaterium without
the aid of a Gellar field. We are all . . . changed.
L671[18:32:08] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Slavic and Mesopotamian deities need more press, outside Lord Baal,
of course.
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L673[18:32:26] <UmbralRaptor> ve2dmn:
Sumerian. In the original cuniform.
L674[18:32:49] <Scolar_Visari> icefire: It
was all very exciting. Some people ripped out their eyes and spoke
in latin, and the paleontologist from Jurassic Park ran around and
turned things into a Slasher movie.
L676[18:33:03] <oren> I like nabu
L677[18:33:24] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: I
would've gone for obscure Baltic deities from the Prussian Crusades
era.
L678[18:33:31] <ve2dmn> There is also
??????
L679[18:33:38] <ve2dmn> But that is hard
to write in KSP
L680[18:34:10] <UmbralRaptor> Mul
Mul?
L681[18:34:21] *
Scolar_Visari thinks the Warhammer Total War Lizardmen have Aztec
deities covered.
L682[18:34:56] <ve2dmn> It was either a
'titan' sort of reference, a 'Vulcan' imagery or a wisdom
thing
L684[18:35:12] <UmbralRaptor> hrm
L685[18:35:27] <Scolar_Visari> Vulcan was
an Olympian, not a Titan!
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L687[18:37:54] <ve2dmn> too many good
names :/
L688[18:38:09] <ve2dmn> I could have
simply gone with 'Stella', Latin for Star
L689[18:38:23] <Scolar_Visari> You're
running into the same problem I have with getting my ship prefixes
for Stellaris.
L690[18:39:21] <Scolar_Visari> Initialisms
are so boring, but having each ship prefixed, "St." or,
"Blessed" makes for flavor for those spiritualist
civs!
L691[18:39:52] <Scolar_Visari> Which
reminds me, I should probably add in a few fictional name packs.
Seeing, "Angry Plumage" a hundred times in a game gets
old fast.
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L693[18:41:39] <UmbralRaptor> Proposal: a
name pack consisting entirely of dromeosaurs.
L694[18:42:29] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: That would not be a very long list, I would think. I
could easily see four V. mongoliosis running the entire science
dept.
L695[18:43:37] <Scolar_Visari> "Oh,
you're looking for PROFESSOR V. mongoliosis. I'm ADMIRAL V.
mongoliosis. The professor's down on level 2, past the bathroom and
across the hallway from U. ostrommaysorum's office."
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L697[18:44:17] <UmbralRaptor> Hah!
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L701[18:45:41] <Scolar_Visari> There are,
thankfully, dromaeosauridae appearance mods.
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L703[18:46:49] <Scolar_Visari> Still . . .
I require Warhammer Lizardmen.
L704[18:48:28] <Scolar_Visari>
Whatisthisidonteven: I'm doubt that NASA's ground stations around
the world were able to pick up radio signals from Voyager 1 that
were strong enough to be displayed clearly on a computer screen.
The radio signals would have turned fuzzy already upon received by
the ground stations.
L705[18:48:57] <Scolar_Visari>
Questionable grammatical style aside . . . I don't think that's how
any of that works.
L706[18:49:51] <UmbralRaptor> ?
L707[18:50:06] <Scolar_Visari> They were
in doubt that New Horizon's recent photos were authentic, it
seems.
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L709[18:50:33] <Scolar_Visari> Which is
just as well, given both Voyager's are also still broadcasting
non-photographic data.
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L714[18:50:54] <UmbralRaptor> Because of
the odd colorscheme?
L715[18:51:08] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Will your Atakask-class station bring joy and happiness to
multi-millionaire customers?
L716[18:51:09] <UmbralRaptor> ve2dmn: be
careful with the engines.
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L718[18:51:33] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari:
That's just the Exosphere Hotel
L719[18:51:37] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: Because reading the article that the images were
published in would've been too hard.
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L721[18:51:56] <ve2dmn> I plan to make a
Casino
L722[18:52:15] <ve2dmn> With 100 lights.
And 4 ASteroids
L723[18:52:18] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Ah,
so it'll bring pain amd misery to gamblers who forgot to bring
magnetic cards for their space Texas Holdem game.
L724[18:53:23] <Scolar_Visari> Oh dear . .
. "NASA: Idea: Attach equipment that will photograph and send
back the photos and other information to an asteroid passing close
enough to Earth to accomplish this task. And possibly get pictures
of the Kyber Belt where these objects hang out in large numbers.
This could be the ultimate E ticket ride of this
period."
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L727[18:54:00] <taniwha> Scolar_Visari:
Kyber Belt? where's that?
L728[18:54:25] <Scolar_Visari> Catching a
ride to interstellar space on a Kuiper Belt Object would be like
catching a ride out of town by riding around the carousel in the
local park.
L729[18:54:30] <taniwha> (sure, I could
google, but conversation is better)
L730[18:54:59] <ve2dmn> taniwha: in
Cyberspace, next to the Bitcoin pants
L731[18:55:02] <UmbralRaptor> Khyber Belt:
where Jeddah is located.
L732[18:55:11] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: I KNEW IT
L733[18:55:43] <taniwha> ah
L734[18:55:44] <Scolar_Visari> This is
like, seriously, worse than comic book astronomy.
L735[18:56:04] <Scolar_Visari> At least
those occasionally have compelling characters and engrossing plot
lines.
L736[18:56:40] <Scolar_Visari> Certain
Superman movies excluded.
L737[19:02:51] *
Scolar_Visari is once again amused by the release of games of
now-dead GW games.
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L748[19:24:20] <ve2dmn> what's the minimun
safe speed to open the parachutes?
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L750[19:24:57] <Draconiator> 300 I
think...depends on what atmosphere though
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L753[19:27:35] <ve2dmn> Jeb hit the water
at around 530...
L754[19:28:55] <Arcan> ve2dmn: sounds like
you need drogues?
L755[19:29:07] <Arcan> and a shallower
reentry?
L756[19:29:07] <taniwha> or less
mass
L757[19:29:12] <Arcan> that too
L758[19:30:24] <taniwha> reentry should be
pod, chute, and /maybe/ heat shield
L759[19:31:09] <ve2dmn> yeah! I somehow
managed to slow enough :D
L760[19:31:16] <ve2dmn> Thank you
monoprop
L761[19:34:35] <taniwha> a good altitude
for your periapsis is around 20km
L762[19:34:39] <ve2dmn> Find time my funds
meter shows a 'K'
L763[19:34:53] <ve2dmn> 11226K funds
L764[19:38:04] <GlassYuri> ve2dmn: you
should send a car to space to celebrate
L765[19:38:36] <ve2dmn> how about a
Truck?
L766[19:40:56] <ve2dmn> And my scansat
contract is all confused...
L767[19:41:48] <ve2dmn> It thinks my Eve
Sat is around Duna
L768[19:43:43] <ve2dmn> it also think the
sat for Contract around Eve 1 & 2 are the same sat...
L769[19:44:08] <ve2dmn> so in contract too
it wants me to deorbit the sat before I achive the right
orbit...
L770[19:44:40] <ve2dmn> Luckely all that
is optional, so I can still complete both contract with 1 Sat, I
just lose on the optional reward
L771[19:45:56] <Eddi|zuHause> i always
have trouble with reentry on the first few carreer flights, before
orbiting
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L775[19:55:09] <taniwha> Eddi|zuHause: I
haven't had trouble with it since I worked out that a trajectory
that puts you near the eastern peninsula is safe
L776[19:56:13] <taniwha> (that's for
stock, FAR makes it a little safer because pods are draggier)
L777[20:03:06] <ve2dmn> I'm starting to
think I'm dislexic... I re-read my stuff that I said earlier, and I
sound like an ape with a keyboard
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L780[20:03:46] <taniwha> but we're all
apes with keyboards
L781[20:05:18] <ve2dmn> btw, I think I
found the problem I have with USI ART mod
L782[20:05:28] <ve2dmn> Although, I'm not
sure how to fix it...
L783[20:06:21] *
taniwha bites tongue
L784[20:06:25] <ve2dmn> it's as if the
game saved 2 different potatoroid mesh and used the one with the
smallest Id
L785[20:07:03] <ve2dmn> ... no
comments...
L786[20:07:50] <ve2dmn> ;seen
RoverDude
L787[20:07:51] <kmath> ve2dmn: roverdude
(~roverdude@63.116.147.2) was last seen posting in #kspofficial 144
days, 14 hours and 12 minutes ago
L788[20:08:51] <ve2dmn> If I ever get
motivated, I might take a look at the code...
L789[20:09:18] <taniwha> I suggest a
swimming pool full of holy water
L790[20:09:59] <ve2dmn> bah. Better then
my crappy code
L791[20:11:10] <taniwha> I doubt it
L792[20:11:46] <ve2dmn> USI ART is the mod
that got the least love out of USI
L793[20:11:52] <GlassYuri> "[11:07]
<ve2dmn> ... no comments..." the only true way of
programming
L794[20:12:25] <ve2dmn> "But the code
*IS* the comments."
L795[20:12:33] <taniwha> GlassYuri: you
have not been programming for very long
L796[20:12:48] <taniwha> the code is the
comments for the what and how
L797[20:12:59] <taniwha> actual comments
are for the why
L798[20:13:26] <GlassYuri> I know
that
L799[20:13:31] <ve2dmn> With the classic :
// Will explain later
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L802[20:13:49] <taniwha> ve2dmn: and who
do you think that harms the most? :)
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L804[20:14:04] <TheKosmonaut> ve2dmn:
ART?
L805[20:14:12] <taniwha> asteroid resource
something
L806[20:14:17] <ve2dmn> Me, because I
can't read my own damn PERL from 1997
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L808[20:14:26] <GlassYuri> taniwha: btw
not sure if you're aware but I'm actually studying game
programming, and we get taught to comment the obvious :/
L809[20:14:28] <taniwha> ve2dmn: exactly:
the writer of the comment
L810[20:14:42] <ve2dmn> Those Regex were
pretty clever, but after 6 months, they were unreadable
L811[20:14:42] <taniwha> GlassYuri:
:(
L812[20:15:05] <taniwha> ve2dmn: yeah,
comments are for yourself, six months later
L813[20:15:15] <taniwha> (for me once, it
was six MINUTES later!!!)
L815[20:16:44] <ve2dmn> you can hollow-out
asteroids and turn them into tanks of various sorts
L816[20:16:50] <ve2dmn> (or living
quarters)
L817[20:17:03] *
taniwha ponders the chances of finding online an article he read in
a magazine 22 years ago
L818[20:17:35] <GlassYuri> taniwha: if you
can remember it to have been exactly 22 years then you might have a
chance
L819[20:17:49] <taniwha> +/- 1
L820[20:19:55] <UmbralRaptor> If you
recall the magazine, and they have online archives, probably quite
high.
L821[20:20:09] <taniwha> that I do
not
L822[20:20:21] <taniwha> and it was a
photocopy from one, so it might have been even older
L825[20:22:16] <taniwha> ve2dmn: I've seen
worse
L826[20:22:41] <Eddi|zuHause> it's always
fun to read code and think "which idiot wrote this"
L827[20:22:44] <taniwha> // Stuff
L828[20:22:48] <Eddi|zuHause> when that
idiot was you 5 years ago
L829[20:22:49] <taniwha> so very
informative :P
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L831[20:23:03] <ve2dmn> Know about
thedailywtf ?
L832[20:23:05] <Eddi|zuHause> or half a
year ago
L833[20:23:05] <taniwha> Eddi|zuHause: try
5 months ago :P
L834[20:23:22] *
taniwha remembers a certain swap function in actual KSP
code
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L836[20:23:34] <taniwha> caused much grief
for all of KSP 1.1.x
L837[20:24:27] <Draconiator> what did it
do?...or didn't do?
L838[20:24:45] <ve2dmn> It made ice
cubes
L839[20:24:47] <taniwha> ve2dmn: your
comments are... in need of improvement
L840[20:24:52] <Eddi|zuHause> in some
openttd development branch we used to have a comment like "//
TODO doesn't work <- WHAT doesn't work?"
L841[20:25:00] <taniwha> (no point
duplicating documentation available elsewhere)
L842[20:25:11] <ve2dmn> taniwha: told you.
I'm a not a developper
L843[20:25:20] <taniwha> Draconiator: it
caused the second intercept point to disappear
L844[20:25:30] <taniwha> ve2dmn: yet
:)
L845[20:25:37] <ve2dmn> Eddi|zuHause: love
that game :D
L846[20:26:02] <Eddi|zuHause> it's one of
my favourite comments of all time
L847[20:26:35] <taniwha> Draconiator:
still happens a bit now when the two points are too close to each
other, but that's due to the difficulty of separating the
roots
L848[20:27:08] <taniwha> Draconiator: but
that particular bug deleted the second point when it was supposed
to swap the two points so they were in the correct chronological
order
L849[20:27:15] <GlassYuri> heh I once saw
a stackoverflow (I think) question about people's favorite
comments
L850[20:27:57] <taniwha> Draconiator: when
I found the bug, "what idiot wrote this code" is almost
exactly what went through my mind. I actually cried when I check
the commit logs
L851[20:28:19] <taniwha> er, when I
checked
L853[20:28:49] <GlassYuri> one of them was
basically one of these three page long one star amazon reviews but
about the psd file format
L854[20:30:45] <GlassYuri> taniwha: have
you ever looked up a problem online and found an answer by
yourself? I have
L855[20:31:28] <taniwha> I don't think
so
L856[20:33:16] <ve2dmn> My current job is
to automate everything so that I can then lose my job
L857[20:33:30] <GlassYuri> I think I was
actually taking over an abandoned mod (for a different game),, ran
into some problem, looked it up and found my own advice I gave to
the original devs of that mod about two years earlier
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L859[20:34:36] <taniwha> hehe
L860[20:36:19] <GlassYuri> ve2dmn:
automate everything and drive humans out of work! not because
machines can do the same work better but because there is nobody
left who is capable to fix the automation!
L861[20:36:50] <ve2dmn> GlassYuri: to be
honest, I'm running into trouble with Docker and Ansible
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L863[20:37:51] <ve2dmn> So I don't think
I'll be out of a job soon
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L865[20:47:42] <taniwha> Horizon Zero Dawn
is an interesting take on that
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L868[20:52:06] <taniwha> hehehe
L869[20:52:15] <taniwha> yeah
L870[20:52:43] <ve2dmn> Some days I don't
think I deverse my degree
L871[20:52:48] <Eddi|zuHause> once upon
there was this science fiction story where mankind invented
maintenance-free nuclear power stations, and 1000 years later they
started to break down, but there was nobody alive anymore who
remembers the technology
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L879[20:58:41] <Eddi|zuHause> ve2dmn:
don't try to understand the results of genetic algorithms then
:p
L880[20:59:28] <ve2dmn> Eddi|zuHause: not
my speciality no
L881[21:01:07] <Eddi|zuHause> genetic
algorithms are basically: you have infinite monkeys with
typewriters, and wait for one to write shakespeares complete
works
L882[21:01:23] <ve2dmn> truly
L883[21:01:23] <taniwha> Eddi|zuHause:
hardly
L885[21:01:59] <taniwha> Eddi|zuHause:
you're missing the important part of the story
L886[21:02:03] <taniwha> ie,
selection
L887[21:02:31] <Eddi|zuHause> i used to
read tdwtf when i was slacking off at work
L888[21:02:56] <Eddi|zuHause> but i quit
my last job because they didn't have flexible hours, and i really
needed them
L889[21:03:48] <Eddi|zuHause> like,
talking to random people on IRC at 4AM isn't compatible with
showing up at work at 8AM
L890[21:04:35] <ve2dmn> Speaking of 4AM,
It's my bed time
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L912[22:56:02] <Draconiator> I'm thinking
one of my Lithium-fueled spacecraft could land on Duna...thing is
like 15 tons and puts out around 60 units of thrust
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L924[23:51:46] <TheKosmonaut> taniwha:
never seen that joke before.
L925[23:52:23] <TheKosmonaut> Besides the
few million times my father made it before I went for any practice
or competition
L926[23:53:14] <taniwha> I was doing
fencing (foil) a bit when I was 17 and mom told me a joke about a
bushman who heard about a fencing competition and showed up with
his spool of wire and other tools.
L927[23:54:14] <TheKosmonaut> I would
watch either competition, really.
L928[23:54:31] <taniwha> I think I'd watch
the bushman one more :)
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