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L61[05:58:29] <GurrenLagannCWP> Damm,
people just keep calling me OP instead of Gurren!
L62[06:03:35] <GurrenLagannCWP>
Hello?
L63[06:03:42] <GurrenLagannCWP> Anyone
here?
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L65[06:04:05] <snow> nope, nobody
here
L66[06:04:16] <GurrenLagannCWP> Only
us
L67[06:04:22] <Delusious> and meee
L68[06:04:27] <Kalpa> Yes, OP, I am
here
L70[06:05:42] <kmath> YouTube - Hovering a
rocket - SpaceX model
L71[06:06:18] <GurrenLagannCWP> I posted a
simulation of Duna-stationary sattelites, and EVERYONE thought i
was using Principia... When i actually used Universe Sandbox²
L72[06:06:36] <GurrenLagannCWP> BUT
WH
L73[06:06:47] <GurrenLagannCWP> WHY*
L74[06:08:22] <GurrenLagannCWP> *facepalm*
the reddit curse reached here
L75[06:09:04] <GurrenLagannCWP> And why is
this quiet
L76[06:09:15] <GurrenLagannCWP> like,
ALWAYS
L77[06:09:19] <Althego> hehe no
L78[06:09:22] <Kalpa> How can the adobe
update/installer software be so abysmal?
L79[06:09:32] <Althego> there is usually
something going on here
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L81[06:10:47] <GurrenLagannCWP> But when i
arrive, POOF silence
L82[06:10:58] <Kalpa> Also why does it need
to restart explorer
L83[06:11:06] <Kalpa> Why is adobe so
terribad
L84[06:11:19] <Delusious> adobe
flash?
L85[06:11:27] <Kalpa> Adobe Creative Cloud
in this case
L86[06:11:34] <GurrenLagannCWP> 494 Little
Green People orbiting in Reddit, but 5 here
L87[06:11:36] <Kalpa> But all of adobe's
software installers tend to be horrible in my experience
L88[06:11:48] <GurrenLagannCWP> US2 is
great
L89[06:11:52] <Delusious> I think the only
thing I like about Adobe flash is it's uninstall GUI haha
L90[06:12:22] <Delusious> I dunno about
Adobe's other stuff
L91[06:12:34] <GurrenLagannCWP> I posted a
simulation of Duna-stationary sattelites, and EVERYONE thought i
was using Principia... BUT WHY
L92[06:12:47] <GurrenLagannCWP> i actually
used Universe Sandbox²
L93[06:12:55] <Kalpa> Adobe CC is their
centralized installation/update thing for their CC suite
(subscription model) software
L94[06:13:14] <Kalpa> In my case lightroom
and photoshop
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L96[06:13:22] <GurrenLagannCWP> And
flipping Principia was involved in the chat
L97[06:14:31] <GurrenLagannCWP> Everyone:
Adobe is terrible - Me: Universe Sandbox and Principia
L98[06:14:49] <GurrenLagannCWP> why nobody
talks with me
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L101[06:17:04] <GurrenLagannCWP> PRINCIPIA
IS EVERYWHERE
L102[06:18:57] <GurrenLagannCWP>
DAAMMM
L103[06:19:00] <GurrenLagannCWP>
HALP
L104[06:19:13] <GurrenLagannCWP> THIS IS
COMPLETE SILENCE
L105[06:19:15] <GurrenLagannCWP> WHY
L106[06:21:49] <Althego> because i am
playing the game
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L108[06:22:24] <GurrenLagannCWP> my pc is
terrible
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L112[06:24:57] <Guest07074> hi
L113[06:24:58] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest07074
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L115[06:25:30] <Gasher> GurrenLagannCWP,
use irc mod
L116[06:25:59] <GurrenLagannCWP> irc
mod
L117[06:26:16] <Gasher> there is a mod for
in-game IRCing
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L119[06:27:06] <GurrenLagannCWP>
IRCing
L120[06:27:16] <GurrenLagannCWP> how do i
use it
L121[06:27:31] <Gasher> idk lol, it was
just a suggestion
L122[06:30:14] <GurrenLagannCWP>
Damm
L123[06:30:47] <GurrenLagannCWP>
restarting
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L126[06:31:25] <GurrenLagannCWP>
good
L127[06:34:09] <Althego> use a bnc or a
screen(1) :)
L128[06:34:47] <GurrenLagannCWP> HOW
L129[06:36:04] <GurrenLagannCWP> I just
simulated that asteroids have no effect on Kerbin
L130[06:37:01] <GurrenLagannCWP> But Gilly
has
L131[06:37:51] <Althego> asteroids are
parts, not planets in the game, they have no gravity
L132[06:40:38] <Gasher> they can be mined
though
L133[06:40:53] <taniwha> stock asteroids
don't have enough mass to have an SoI even out by eeloo :P
L134[06:40:59] <Althego> and planets are
indestructible objects on rails anyway
L135[06:41:10] <Althego> at least in
stock
L136[06:46:53] <GurrenLagannCWP> On US2
that is
L137[06:48:33] <GurrenLagannCWP> I also
simulated on US2 that asteroids have 0 chance of hitting
kerbin
L138[06:48:51] <GurrenLagannCWP> IN 7
YEARS
L139[06:49:00] <GurrenLagannCWP> EARTH
YEARS
L140[06:49:34] <Althego> what, some of
them do hit it
L141[06:50:18] <GurrenLagannCWP> 1
asteroid, i'm still simulating 35 asteroids
L142[06:50:49] <GurrenLagannCWP> 1
hit
L143[06:51:04] <GurrenLagannCWP> 1
capture
L144[06:51:24] <GurrenLagannCWP> 3
captures
L145[06:51:52] <taniwha> captures are
usually due to warp induced SoI transition errors
L146[06:51:54] <GurrenLagannCWP> 1 stable
capture
L147[06:52:14] <taniwha> (SoI transition
autocorrect happens only when the vessel has patched conics
enabled)
L148[06:52:15] <Althego> but werent those
fixed in 1.3?
L149[06:52:19] <Althego> or 1.2? i dont
remember
L150[06:52:25] <taniwha> (might even be
only the the active vessel)
L151[06:52:25] <Althego> or was that just
for ships?
L152[06:52:28] <GurrenLagannCWP> I'M
SIMULATING IN UNIVERSE SANDBOX DAMMIT
L153[06:52:34] <Althego> hehe
L154[06:52:41] <Althego> doesnt matter
then
L155[06:52:49] <Althego> because the ksp
physics are different
L156[06:52:54] <Althego> no multi body
gravity
L157[06:52:55] <taniwha> Althego: patched
conics are required to detect the SoI transition well enough
L158[06:52:58] <GurrenLagannCWP> 1 close
encounter
L159[06:54:14] <GurrenLagannCWP> I'm
simulating in a realistic simulator, i'm assumming that KSP
exists
L160[06:54:45] <taniwha> GurrenLagannCWP:
missed that initially, sorry
L161[06:54:48] <GurrenLagannCWP> distant
period
L162[06:54:55] <GurrenLagannCWP> NP
L163[06:55:03] <taniwha> watch that fine
control ;)
L164[06:55:05] <GurrenLagannCWP> Mistakes
happen
L165[06:55:18] <Althego> how do you know
what orbits asteroids have in ksp?
L166[06:55:32] <Althego> how do y ou know
that in your other simulated universe they are the same
L167[06:55:50] <taniwha> Althego: save
file parsing is one way
L168[06:56:20] <GurrenLagannCWP> I
randomly place asteroids, so that saves 5 hours
L169[06:56:36] <Althego> so you already
have a deviation
L170[06:56:38] <GurrenLagannCWP> Dangerous
encounter
L171[06:56:41] <GurrenLagannCWP> Yep
L172[06:57:26] <GurrenLagannCWP> 100
asteroids lags my pc
L173[06:57:59] <GlassYuri> aaargh
L174[06:58:27] <GlassYuri> stack overflow
exceptions should be renamed to avoid google naming conflicts with
a certain website
L175[06:59:03] <GurrenLagannCWP>
Encounter
L176[07:00:34] <GurrenLagannCWP> 2
asteroids pass 86,500 km away from eachother, orbits
pertuberd
L177[07:01:32] <GurrenLagannCWP>
perturbed*
L178[07:03:19] <GurrenLagannCWP> 2
dangerous encounters
L179[07:03:20] <Althego> no, the website
should be renamed
L180[07:03:29] <Althego> stack overflows
existed long before the website
L181[07:04:49] <GurrenLagannCWP> Kerbin
has a Quasi-sattelite
L182[07:05:15] <Althego> minmus?
L183[07:05:27] <GurrenLagannCWP> SOO MANY
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS
L184[07:05:39] <GurrenLagannCWP> Nah, not
minmus
L185[07:06:07] <GurrenLagannCWP> another
asteroid 1.5 Gm away
L186[07:08:19] <GurrenLagannCWP> 11 years
- 1 impact
L187[07:08:51] <Althego> to be fair kerbin
is really tiny compared to normal planets
L188[07:09:15] <GurrenLagannCWP> Twin
dangerous encounter
L189[07:09:29] <GurrenLagannCWP> Asteroids
are scaled too
L190[07:09:37] <GurrenLagannCWP> 50m at
max
L191[07:09:54] <GurrenLagannCWP> 2016 HO3
is my template
L192[07:10:31] <GurrenLagannCWP> 16,000 km
encounter
L193[07:11:17] <Althego> what would a
counter experiment with earth show?
L194[07:14:29] <GurrenLagannCWP> Mun and
Minmus added
L195[07:16:00] <GurrenLagannCWP> Minmus
escaped
L196[07:16:04] <Althego> hehe
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L198[07:19:26] <GurrenLagannCWP> almost a
impact
L199[07:21:36] <GurrenLagannCWP> CLOSER
THAN THE MUN
L200[07:25:47] <GurrenLagannCWP> 12.8
years
L201[07:28:28] <GurrenLagannCWP>
IMPACT!!!
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L204[07:28:47] <GurrenLagannCWP> 13.1
YEARS
L205[07:29:45] <GurrenLagannCWP> Althego:
IMPACT
L206[07:30:07] <GurrenLagannCWP>
Capture
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L208[07:34:13] <GurrenLagannCWP> 14
YEARS
L209[07:36:07] <GurrenLagannCWP> 13.5
YEARS, WE GOT A IMPACT - 3 total
L210[07:38:24] <GurrenLagannCWP>
....
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L214[07:42:22] <GurrenLagannCWP>
deciide
L215[07:45:27] <GurrenLagannCWP> I will
run up to 20 years
L216[07:48:47] <GurrenLagannCWP>
IMPACT
L217[07:48:56] <GurrenLagannCWP> RIP
KSC
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L219[07:52:07] <GurrenLagannCWP> I will
stop now
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L235[09:09:00] <UmbralRaptor> ;8ball
Simulate KSP in MERCURY6?
L236[09:09:00] <kmath> UmbralRaptor:
Yes
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L241[09:50:33] <ve2dmn> But Mercury is
toxic. Why would you want to simulated anything in there?
L242[09:53:52] <UmbralRaptor> because
FORTRAN,
L243[09:54:39] <Althego> hehehe
L244[09:54:53] <Althego> do it in pure asm
:)
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L247[10:16:00] <ve2dmn> I'm still
wondering what I should do with my old stations around Minmus and
Lerbin now that I have access to the bigger docking Konstruction
ports
L248[10:16:53] <ve2dmn> Minmus, Mun and
Kerbin*
L249[10:19:43] <Althego> let the stations
hit the floor, let the station hit the floor
L250[10:20:59] <ve2dmn> I might just
Contruct the new station docked to the old one so I can re-use the
supplies before deorbit
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L254[10:49:25] <Draconiator> ROFL someone
did it.
L256[10:50:02] <Althego> hehe
L257[10:50:09] <Althego> is there a
trailer for 1.4?
L258[10:50:18] <Althego> now that there is
an announced date
L259[10:52:31] <Draconiator> 1.4 is coming
out?\
L260[10:52:38] <Draconiator> what are we
getting this time?
L261[10:53:06] <Althego> it has to, the
expansion needs it. in fact some of the new parts are in 1.4 and
the expansion just uses them
L262[10:54:06] <Althego> no trailer
sadly
L263[11:02:29] <Draconiator> I sorta
binge-downloaded stuff on KerbalX....heh
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L275[11:53:28] <ve2dmn> Please Hold. Your
IRC is important to us. All of our users are currently Away from
Keyboard. You comments will be read as soon as one of our users is
available.
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L277[11:54:56] <Althego> lol
L278[11:55:41] <ve2dmn> I'm calling my for
my car insurance... Can you tell?
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L280[11:57:54] <ve2dmn> If I had a $ for
every typo I did on IRC...
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L282[12:04:28] <UmbralRaptor> ve2dmn: Not
really because too many large orgs have the exact same
message.
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L286[12:11:47] <ve2dmn> I'm an idiot. I
didn't put any winter tires on my car, so I put it in storage
L287[12:11:56] <ve2dmn> but I didn't tell
the insurance :/
L288[12:12:58] <Althego> i shot the
sheriff but i didnt tell the insurance
L289[12:17:01] <Pakaran> so there is going
to be a 1.4 version.
L290[12:17:34] <Pakaran> tbh I'm slightly
annoyed -- means I'll have to wait to use the DLC in a modded
game
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L296[13:16:42] <ve2dmn> Pakaran: it's true
of every gmae, unless the mods get included in the base game
L297[13:17:06] <Mathuin> What's KSP 1.4
going to beE?
L298[13:17:13] <Mathuin> That's *not* the
expansion, is it?
L299[13:17:19] <Mathuin> I figured the
expansion was like an official mod.
L300[13:18:01] <BadRocketsCo> howdy
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L302[13:21:32] <Draconiator> Does Mechjeb
automatically adjust the accent profile of a rocket depending on
what it looks like? My settings keep changing on me.
L303[13:22:04] <Draconiator> Ascent rather
oops.
L304[13:23:07] <Mathuin> I don't know, but
that's an interesting question. I haven't looked at the code for
MJ's ascent in a while. I do know GravityTurn does automatically
adjust its parameters on successive runs of crafts with the same
name.
L305[13:23:15] <Mathuin> That's bitten me
when I've made significant changes without renaming. :-)
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L307[13:25:52] <Althego> 1.4 besides some
bugfixes we will get new unity a nd some new 1.875 m parts
L308[13:26:33] <Althego> same name, tough
luck with everything called untitled spacecraft
L309[13:26:43] <Althego> at least run a
hash on the file or something
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L312[13:28:37] <kmath> YouTube - 6 Weird
Units of Measurement We're Still Using for Some Reason
L313[13:30:10] <ve2dmn> The TL;DR :
Furlong, Barleycorn, Micromort, Jiffy, Banana Equivalent Dose,
Barn
L314[13:31:07] <ConductingCat> And
Smoot
L315[13:32:37] <Mathuin> Smoot's a little
different. (I worked for son-of-Smoot)
L316[13:32:58] <Mathuin> Barn is actively
used by nuclear scientists, Smoot's only used by the Cambridge
police department.
L317[13:40:01] <Althego> ah the
smoots
L318[13:40:13] <Althego> i saw that in
something
L319[13:40:16] <Althego> maybe
numberphile
L320[13:40:28] <Althego> no,
standupmaths
L321[13:40:38] <Althego> but the same guy
appears in numberphile sometimes
L322[13:40:44] <ve2dmn> Althego: same
difference
L323[13:41:00] <Mathuin> He ends up
working for the NBS which I find interesting.
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L326[13:44:01] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: the
National Ballet School?
L327[13:44:15] <Althego> i thought jiffies
are kernel tiem units
L329[13:44:45] <Althego> it is more often
used there than what the video says
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L333[13:48:45] <ve2dmn> ConductingCat:
thanks for reminding me that it's been a while since I watched
Crash Course
L334[13:49:56] <ve2dmn> In this spirit, I
would like to thank the industrial revolution for giving us...
everything
L335[13:54:58] <ve2dmn> including modern
medecine (which I have to thank to be alive), computers, and
ultimatly KSP
L336[13:55:14] <ve2dmn> And rockets. tasty
tasty rockets
L337[13:57:31] <Azander> Boosters, struts,
and ulcers
L339[13:58:48] <kmath> YouTube - The
bridge which is measured in smoots
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L360[15:14:57] <ve2dmn> Mars vs ?
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L363[15:16:54] <UmbralRaptor>
Antares
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L369[15:29:04] <UmbralRaptor> 2018, the
year of the flying car.
L370[15:30:17] <Althego> not mass
produced
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L372[15:30:38] <Althego> also car crashes
from above would be dangerous
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L377[15:33:39] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptor:
2018, the year of the *space* car
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L379[15:39:35] <Pakaran> but yeah, I might
just use the expansion in a stock game to try it out. I'm
definitely geting it.
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L381[15:43:44] <ve2dmn> same
L382[15:44:06] <Neal> was there a forum
nuke that wiped users within the last few years? it doesn't
recognize any of my emails
L383[15:57:46] <Pakaran> It's just that
I'd almost certainly have fewer parts than I currently do,
frankly
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L388[16:13:05] <Fluburtur> why is my
screen such a moron
L389[16:13:16] <Fluburtur> I have to heat
it sometimes or it won't turn on
L390[16:15:51] <KrazyKrl> I believe LCDs
don't function very well below 50 farfenlugenheight or
something
L391[16:16:10] <Fluburtur> actually I
think it's the power supply that doesn't want to work
L392[16:16:26] <Fluburtur> like the lil
led turns off for a moment when I press the button when it is too
cold
L393[16:16:39] <Fluburtur> so I guess some
capacitor is too cold to work properly or somethingh
L394[16:20:02] <KrazyKrl> or it could be
physically damaged if you repeatedly powered it on in 20 degree
temperatures or something. due to the large thermal difference of
the components
L395[16:20:15] <KrazyKrl> i know BGA chips
hate large temperature fluctuations
L396[16:20:19] <Fluburtur> maybe
L397[16:20:35] <Fluburtur> my other screen
is like 5 years older and it works fine however
L398[16:21:19] <KrazyKrl> well, check the
documentation for the proper operating temperature range.
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L402[16:42:49] <Pakaran> Is it safe to
move ships between saves while at the main menu? Or do you need to
exit completely?
L403[16:43:02] <Fluburtur> it is
safe
L404[16:49:48] <Blaank> I thought fusion
wasn't a net energy gain yet.
L405[16:50:16] <Blaank> Did they fix
that?
L406[16:50:22] <Fluburtur> I guess
L407[16:50:40] <Fluburtur> they did manage
to get some power from fusion in short tries
L408[16:50:51] <Fluburtur> and there are
sevaral reactor being built made to produce power
L409[16:51:47] <UmbralRaptor> I'm not sure
ITER+DEMO+PROTO counts as "several"
L410[16:52:35] <Fluburtur> it's more than
one
L411[16:54:38] <Blaank> deuterium and
lithium is kinda cheating for fusion. I'm still waiting for
hydrogen hydrogen fusion.
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L413[16:55:58] <Fluburtur> go tell them
then
L414[16:56:10] <Fluburtur> im sure they
would love to hear how to improve their design
L415[16:56:15] <Blaank> I'm not going to
get in the way of baby steps.
L416[16:56:20] <Blaank> But I'm still
waiting.
L417[16:56:46] <UmbralRaptor> Blaank: at
solar core conditions (15 million Kelvin, and densities so high
that electron degeneracy is a modest factor), the mean lifetime of
a proton is in the gigayear range.
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L420[16:58:12] <UmbralRaptor> Unless you
meant deuterium-tritium?
L421[16:59:07] <Blaank> I'm watching a
linus tech tips on nuclear fusion reactor.
L422[17:01:24] <Blaank> Seems to just be
more testing.
L423[17:01:47] <Blaank> Which is neat and
all but isn't a working net energy gain and cost effective nuclear
fusion reaction.
L424[17:01:58] <Fluburtur> alright I need
to order batteries for my heli
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L426[17:02:12] <Blaank> Linus loves his
props.
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L429[17:13:57] <Pakaran> thanks Fluburtur,
sorry, was in another window.
L430[17:18:42] <Draconiator> Apparently,
my Dragon SSTO is a HUGE hit on Kerbalx
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L432[17:27:53] <Fluburtur> good
L433[17:27:59] <Fluburtur> ordered a
battery for my heli
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L440[17:41:41] <Pakaran> wait, does
distant object enhancement work on the main menu?
L441[17:41:50] <Pakaran> Because I swear I
saw a gas giant moon fly by.
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L457[18:48:02] <Draconiator> I mean 160m/s
with only 16 units of thrust is pretty insane...even for
Duna...right?
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L459[18:58:18] <oren> Apparently I have no
assets in Eve Orbit with so much as a thermometer aboard
L460[18:59:56] <oren> maybe I have
something in gilly orbit I can use
L461[19:00:37] <Pakaran> first sounding
rocket successful
L462[19:00:51] <Pakaran> though I forgot
to get science from the launchpad and recover it, I'll just do that
next
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L468[19:33:39] <Pakaran> Had a contract to
test a Hammer on the launchpad. Managed to get upper atmosphere
science with a 100% reusable vehicle (if the engine doesn't hit too
hard) and otherwise start node technology.
https://imgur.com/a/VhMUz
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L472[19:50:39] <darsie> Is MechJeb 2 the
right mod to install MJ?
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L474[19:54:55] <darsie> I don't get
anything in the VAB. Want to see delta-vs.
L475[19:55:42] <darsie> Or on the launch
pad.
L476[19:57:22] <Pakaran> do you have the
mechjeb part?
L477[19:57:31] <Pakaran> and/or the mod
"mechjeb for everyone" or something like that?
L478[19:59:58] <darsie> ok, with the mj
part it works on the launch pad. Can it do dv in the VAB,
too?
L479[20:00:06] <taniwha> darsie: yes
L480[20:00:08] <darsie> Don't have mj for
everyone.
L481[20:00:31] <darsie> Do I need ^?
L482[20:00:41] <taniwha> no, just put the
part on in the VAB
L483[20:01:21] <taniwha>
MechJebAndEngineerForAll
L484[20:01:22] <darsie> Hmm, suddenly it's
there. Maybe it needed activation on the launch pad at first.
L485[20:01:32] <taniwha> though having
"for all" is handy
L486[20:01:51] <taniwha> darsie: sounds
like a window state issue
L487[20:05:50] <Mathuin> darsie: did you
see that personnel parachutes are coming in the expansion? Your
skydiving kerbals can get a little help. :-)
L488[20:06:28] <darsie> no, cool :)
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L490[20:07:00] <Mathuin> Ugh, kOS won't
let me do math on two latlng's
L492[20:08:20] <kmath> YouTube - Elon Musk
- Falcon Heavy Launch Recap - SpaceX
L493[20:11:02] <Pakaran> wow.
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L495[20:11:20] <Pakaran> personal
parachutes in stock would be nice.
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L497[20:13:30] <Mathuin> "stock with
expansion" vs "stock without" is a potential
nightmare for modders.
L498[20:13:46] <Mathuin> Also, if someone
gets a wild hair and decides to recreate as much of the expansion
as they can in mods, that might make Squad cranky.
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L501[20:15:30] <Pakaran> yeah.
L502[20:15:48] <Pakaran> there's _already_
mods that focus on parts, missions, or both for the Saturn V/Apollo
program.
L503[20:16:06] <Pakaran> (and just about
every other rocket program in history, especially if it's American
or Soviet)
L504[20:16:19] <taniwha> mods = not on
console
L505[20:19:20] <tawny> there's never been
much anyone can do to stop piracy, so if people are going to be
uploading the whole expansion as a mod and sharing it behind
metaphorical closed doors there's not really a lot to do tbh
L506[20:20:08] <Pakaran> they can
discourage listing it in the usual places mods are found.
L507[20:20:35] <tawny> oh yeah sure
L508[20:20:41] <tawny> it wouldn't appear
on CKAN, certainly
L509[20:20:51] <taniwha> I doubt anybody
on the forums will do such a thing
L510[20:21:33] <Pakaran> I agree. KSP has
a much better community than many games do.
L511[20:21:36] <tawny> idk maybe I'm just
sorta resigned to the inevitability of resharing content
L512[20:22:04] <Pakaran> And they
_haven't_ done bull DLC. Like, you don't need a DLC to unlock
infinite fuel.
L513[20:22:06] <taniwha> tawny: there are
those out there that will, but I doubt they're part of the
community
L514[20:23:54] <Pakaran> they'd also be
hard pressed to make it a gameplay clone, and not an illegal
derivative.
L515[20:24:18] <Pakaran> to whatever
extent being pirated has kept things from existing on the Internet,
in general.
L516[20:24:28] <Mathuin> I'm not worried
about piracy so much as cleanroom duplication.
L517[20:24:40] <Mathuin> "Oh, you
have a personnel parachute, *here's* a personnel parachute for KIS.
Next line item!"
L518[20:24:43] <Mathuin> Etc.
L519[20:24:57] <Mathuin> Not really
worried at all, just thinking about it.
L520[20:25:18] <Pakaran> yeah...
L521[20:25:47] <Pakaran> not to mention
with Apollo, an artist could work from the real thing.
L522[20:26:21] <Pakaran> Without, say,
visiting a museum, even.
L523[20:30:10] <Pakaran> now, people who
would download something like that might well have pirated the game
in the first place...
L524[20:30:57] <Mathuin> Or theymight have
spent $39 and gotten really pissed that "it's all wrong, and I
have to fix it" :-)
L525[20:31:13] <tawny> haha
L526[20:32:00] <Pakaran> Hey, Kerbin is 3x
as dense as gold. is it surprising it's expensive? :)
L527[20:32:45] <Pakaran> Actually, I like
that. Launching on RSS gets tedious.
L528[20:33:01] <taniwha> Pakaran: no it's
not. Kerbals got hold of physics books from our dimension with
G=6.67e-11 not realizing that their G=6.67e-10 :)
L529[20:33:22] <Pakaran> I seem to
remember second stages that, alone, had a 5 min burn time
L530[20:33:50] <taniwha> Pakaran: I've
done 9 minute second stages on Kerbin :)
L531[20:33:51] <Pakaran> Oh, well, of
course. Also explaining how their sun isn't a red dwarf.
L532[20:34:09] <taniwha> red? I think it
would be a brown dwarf
L533[20:34:21] <Pakaran> I think the wiki
says...
L535[20:35:40] <UmbralRaptor> The physics
of the system are silly. Ask regex about a mod that would give
everything realistic densities, and how sad it makes the system.
>_>
L536[20:36:47] <Pakaran> For me, the long
burn tends to be the third stage, for end circularization and
transfer.
L537[20:38:06] <Pakaran> (On Kerbin)
L538[20:39:23] <Pakaran> third stage may
have more fuel than second.
L539[20:39:46] <Pakaran> I expect that'll
change when I go to Poodle second stages...
L540[20:40:06] <Pakaran> if that isn't a
controllability nightmare
L541[20:40:39] <Pakaran> well, just like
anything else in KSP, trial and terror? :D
L542[20:43:49] <oren> the Poodle is one
the the best engines in the game
L543[20:44:12] <taniwha> engine bell is
too small, though
L544[20:44:20] <taniwha> (for that
Isp)
L545[20:45:42] <Supernovy> the engine bell
is fine for the Isp, it's just that it's aesthetically too
small.
L546[20:47:22] <taniwha> Supernovy: only
if the throat is microscopic
L547[20:48:32] <oren> Supernovy: it looks
ridiculous whihc is why I use Vens
L548[20:50:40] <Supernovy> Well, if you
look at KSP engines, the lower Isp engines have the larger bells.
To the point where the ion engine has no bell at all.
L549[20:53:24] <tawny> wellll hopefully
1.4's redesigns fix some of that
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L551[20:53:58] <Pakaran> In stock games, I
use a swivel second stage.
L552[20:55:05] <Pakaran> This game, I
decided to go for tourism+ rather than stock tourism contracts.
I'll see how that works out. I know that Tourism+ requires a pilot
with each tourist, which will require a bit more science.
L553[20:55:14] <Pakaran> though, hmm, I
know
L554[20:55:23] <Pakaran> need to do other
stuff first.
L555[20:55:29] <Pakaran> and I do have the
science to do it sanely.
L556[20:56:47] <Pakaran> oren, yeah I'm
using Ven's.
L557[20:57:13] <Pakaran> and CTT and a few
other things
L558[20:57:40] <Rokker> wait
L559[20:57:49] <Rokker> someone in here
said museum
L560[20:58:03] *
Rokker scrolls
L561[20:58:08] <Rokker> Pakaran:
MUSEUM
L562[20:58:17] <Pakaran> I'm playing more
of a stock scaled game than a stock game. Like, in KSS Minmus is a
Halley's comet analog.
L563[20:58:36] <Rokker> M U S E U M
L564[20:58:38] <Pakaran> so I'll see how
that impacts getting science, but having a scientist at least
temporarily in polar munar orbit should help
L565[20:58:43] <Pakaran> yes?
L566[20:59:04] <Rokker> Pakaran: nothing,
museum just pings me
L567[20:59:19] <Pakaran> oh, ok
L568[20:59:45] <Rokker> God I should get
more active in here again
L569[20:59:57] <Rokker> make sure I keep
my throne as the most talkative non-bot
L570[21:00:31] <Pakaran> hmm
L571[21:00:53] <Pakaran> I wonder if I can
get first kerbal in space, and also a survey contract? I do have a
mod that shows where you need to aim for those.
L572[21:00:55] <Mod9000> wait
L573[21:01:11] <Mod9000> someone in here
said bot
L574[21:01:14] <Rokker> Mod9000:
waiting
L575[21:01:30] <Rokker> Mod9000: I said
non-bot
L576[21:01:39] <Mod9000> B O T
L577[21:01:41] *
UmbralRaptor stares at Mod9000
L578[21:01:58] <Rokker> Mod9000: fite
me
L579[21:02:23] <Mod9000> Talkative non-bot
vs non-talkative bot?
L580[21:02:49] <Rokker> Mod9000: pretty
sure I still hold the record for most lines
L581[21:03:25] <Deddly> There was a web
page for that
L582[21:04:06] <Rokker> Deddly: there were
multiple
L583[21:04:26] <Deddly> hmm
L584[21:04:48] <Rokker> and I was at the
top by a quite large leqd
L585[21:04:51] <Rokker> lead
L586[21:06:28] <Deddly> I remember
that
L587[21:07:42] <Pakaran> Hey, is it cheaty
to use tweakscale to use mk1 chutes as nosecones on boosters?
L588[21:08:38] <Pakaran> I just set the
chutes to go off at an appropriate altitude, and they land very
near the SC "for free".
L589[21:28:23] <Pakaran> Is there a reason
not to get first in space and first in orbit in a single
launch?
L590[21:31:51] <darsie> Maneuver
planning.
L591[21:33:10] <darsie> Or is there a mod
allowing maneuver planning from the launch pad?
L592[21:33:23] <darsie> Or anywhere else
from the ground?
L593[21:33:42] <Pakaran> I don't have
nodes or maneuvers, but I can see the apoapse in map mode I
believe
L594[21:33:50] <Pakaran> just restarted
becqause I changed a few mods and my funds were off kilter and
such
L595[21:34:21] <darsie> hmm, impossibru.
Maneuver planning is for instant delta v, not ascents with
steering.
L596[21:34:21] <Pakaran> but I think I
accidentally made a fully recoverable launch vehicle capable of
reaching orbit. No science, granted.
https://imgur.com/a/fS7R9
L598[21:34:56] <Pakaran> I don't know if
the reusability actually saves me anything, but yeah.
L599[21:35:40] <Pakaran> I could throw on
science, and if it doesn't make orbit, I'd still get that contract.
I also have one to haul the standard decoupler I'm using into the
upper atmosphere, but I should be able to do that.
L600[21:37:27] <Pakaran> (I did already
fix the staging of the chutes, and add fuel to the first stage so
it could start reasonably on the pad).
L601[21:37:33] <Pakaran> well, let's see
how it works...
L602[21:58:52] <Pakaran> quite well. Val
is in orbit.
L605[22:01:56] <Pakaran> also, do I need
to unlock something to be able to use pod RCS? I turned it on but
no monoprop was used, and the pod didn't pitch/yaw effectively at
all (I have a mod to tone down reaction wheels)
L606[22:02:14] <taniwha> Pakaran: it means
you must launch will all passengers on the flight
L607[22:02:39] <taniwha> Pakaran: as for
RCS: you need RCS thrusters (in one of the control tech
nodes)
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L610[22:06:41] <Pakaran> taniwha, ah, the
pod doesn't automagically do it, roger.
L611[22:06:52] <Pakaran> I'm seeing more
and more arguments for saving for the level 2 VAB :)
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L613[22:07:51] <taniwha> level 2 for all
but admin is indicated pretty early on (though runway isn't so bad
since 1.3)
L614[22:08:03] <taniwha> and level 3 for
mission control ASAP
L615[22:08:35] <taniwha> in fact, I always
upgrade MC then AC first
L616[22:09:00] <taniwha> (unless I happen
to get into space before upgrading the MC, then I do AC first, so I
can get EVA reports:)
L617[22:12:42] <Pakaran> thanks
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L619[22:15:27] <Mathuin> I upgrade MC to
ramp up monies
L620[22:15:48] <Mathuin> AC for EVA, then
launchpad because my craft are often outsized.
L621[22:22:05] <Pakaran> makes
sense.
L622[22:23:44] <taniwha> LP and VAB for
mass/partcount
L623[22:24:22] <taniwha> note: you can do
a mun flyby withouth upgrading lp, vab or tc
L624[22:25:33] <Pakaran> I love this mod
for the reentry particle effect.
L625[22:27:04] <taniwha>
ReentryParticleEffect itself? yeah, beautiful mod
L626[22:27:08] <Pakaran> yeah
L627[22:27:16] <taniwha> and super simple
(just flicks a stock switch)
L628[22:27:19] <Pakaran> I believe that's
it (don't have ckan open right now).
L629[22:27:24] <Pakaran> then yes
L630[22:27:24] <taniwha> and adds some
details, I think
L631[22:27:54] <taniwha> but yeah, having
those long streams of flame is awesome
L632[22:28:07] <Pakaran> anyhow, I will
get VAB fairly soon. I'm not sure whether I'm actually benefitting
from the recoverability stuff
L633[22:28:09] <taniwha> especially when
there are multiple bits screaming through the air :)
L634[22:28:22] <Pakaran> yeah, I'm
watching the trail from my upper stage, about 10 km awayu
L635[22:28:40] <taniwha> Pakaran: tourism
and survey contracts are the biggest money spinners
L636[22:29:03] <taniwha> for one, you can
often take tourist with you on a different mission
L637[22:29:24] <taniwha> (tourists never
complain about getting more than they payed for:)
L638[22:35:11] <Pakaran> indeed :)
L639[22:35:24] <Pakaran> also handy to do
life support testing.
L640[22:36:07] <taniwha> I've used
tourists to turn loss-leader missions into profitable missions
:)
L641[22:36:38] <taniwha> and rescue
contracts = free kerbals :)
L642[22:36:58] <taniwha> (or even get paid
to hire them:)
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