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L3[00:03:27] <TheKosmonaut>
.nextlaunch
L4[00:03:28] <NextlaunchBackup> Falcon Heavy
| Demo Flight 1 (Maiden Flight) -
http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ - NET February 6,
2018 18:30:00 UTC - T-1 day, 12:26:32
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L7[00:10:22] <Draconiator> TOMORROW
huh?
L8[00:10:32] <Althego> falcon heavy?
L9[00:12:30] <Draconiator> yep.
L10[00:12:49] <Althego> hehe free/available
5.7 megabytes
L11[00:13:18] <Althego> it is just a hair's
width away from oom killer
L12[00:14:03] <Althego> good, at least it
will test my script. also goodthat the others are ok, so my fix is
seem to be working
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L14[00:16:58] <TheKosmonaut> Althego: we
have a new bot
L15[00:17:36] <TheKosmonaut> So if you type
.nextlaunch, you'll have a response
L16[00:17:46] <TheKosmonaut> You can also
do cool stuff like this
L17[00:17:55] <TheKosmonaut> .nextlaunch
atlas
L19[00:18:05] <TheKosmonaut> Or
L20[00:18:27] <TheKosmonaut> .nextlaunch
SLS
L21[00:18:28] <NextlaunchBackup> SLS |
Orion (uncrewed) - TBD/NET September 1, 2018 00:00:00 UTC
L22[00:19:16] <Gasher[work]> .nextlaunch
LGM-30
L23[00:19:17] <NextlaunchBackup> Next
launch for query 'LGM-30' not found.
L24[00:19:28] <Gasher[work]> well that's
sort of reassuring
L25[00:21:19] <JCB> tomorrow.. as in
tuesday?
L26[00:21:25] <JCB> I might be at
work...
L27[00:25:53] <TheKosmonaut> In about
36h
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L30[00:36:12] <Draconiator> .nextlaunch
UmbralRaptor
L31[00:36:12] <NextlaunchBackup> Next
launch for query 'UmbralRaptor' not found.
L32[00:36:18] <Draconiator> hm.
L33[00:36:22] <Althego> hehe
L34[00:36:35] <Draconiator> he's an op so
he can't "launch" himself from the room.
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L37[00:41:01] <Gasher[work]> don't confuse
kicking hard and actual launching
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L39[00:51:10] <Althego> down to 5.2 MB.
surely it will fail today
L40[00:51:22] <Althego> go on, and die for
science
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L42[00:59:43] <JCB> just came across
youtube vid... some info on how to pull down image data from
weather sats... hmm..
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L48[01:35:19] <Glass|phone> "when
dimensional weight is larger than actual weight, for example
cushion, the amount will be based upon the dimensional
weight." whaaat
L49[01:38:34] <Gasher[work]> it's like
bombs
L50[01:41:12] <Althego> lol
L51[01:41:18] <Althego> what is dimensional
weigth loll
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L61[03:17:06] <TheKosmonaut> Glass|phone: I
hate when these Izakayas bring you these stupid little amous-bouche
like items and will imply it's a free sample
L62[03:17:21] <TheKosmonaut> Amuse*
L63[03:19:21] <TheKosmonaut> They straight
up tell you ???? then you look and there's a ¥300 charge for
something you definitely never ordered
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L67[03:46:22] <Glass|phone> TheKosmonaut:
that's your fault for eating out, you could try eating cup noodles
at home while arguing with the ???? or so
L68[03:47:17] <TheKosmonaut> Why do you do
that to yourself
L69[03:47:27] <TheKosmonaut> Also don't put
politics in here
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L83[04:43:43] <TheKosmonaut> .nextlaunch
Antares
L84[04:43:44] <NextlaunchBackup> Antares
230 | Cygnus CRS OA-9 - TBD/NET May 1, 2018 00:00:00 UTC
L85[04:43:55] <Deddly> .nextlaunch Falcom
Heavy
L86[04:43:55] <NextlaunchBackup> Next
launch for query 'Falcom Heavy' not found.
L87[04:44:00] <Deddly> .nextlaunch Falcon
Heavy
L88[04:44:00] <NextlaunchBackup> Falcon
Heavy | Demo Flight 1 (Maiden Flight) -
http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ - NET February 6,
2018 18:30:00 UTC - T-1 day, 7:45:59
L89[04:44:18] <TheKosmonaut>
."nextlaunch" by itself will just give you whatever
happens next too
L90[04:44:30] <Mat2ch> \o/
L91[04:44:43] <Deddly> Nice that it
includes the time in UTC instead of Elon Musk's vague "Florida
time"
L92[04:45:15] <Deddly> Especially as
Florida apparently has two time zones
L93[04:45:27] <Deddly> .netlaunch
L94[04:45:31] <Deddly> .nextlaunch
L95[04:45:32] <NextlaunchBackup> Falcon
Heavy | Demo Flight 1 (Maiden Flight) -
http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ - NET February 6,
2018 18:30:00 UTC - T-1 day, 7:44:28
L96[04:46:10] <Deddly> Why the
"backup" in the name, Kosmo?
L97[04:46:14] <TheKosmonaut> Deddly:
destroy all timezones, use SwatchBeats
L98[04:46:19] <NicknameHere> it's a
replacement for Wil's bot
L99[04:46:28] <TheKosmonaut> Deddly: oh.
Because the original creator that made it has been away for a
while
L100[04:46:47] <TheKosmonaut> NicknameHere
is someone from the SpaceX channel and has graciously brought it
over
L101[04:47:22] <Deddly> Cool
L102[04:47:26] <NicknameHere> btw, it was
just made with bits of pieces of random python code, so there's a
chance that it may randomly die.
L103[04:47:55] <TheKosmonaut> As is
tradition with IRC bots on this network
L104[04:48:20] <TheKosmonaut> The key is
it doesn't have all the garbage with it that I hated about
*certain* other bots
L105[04:48:35] *
TheKosmonaut stares at Kountdown and Kmath's graves
L106[04:52:59] <Deddly> .nextlaunch
Unha
L107[04:53:00] <NextlaunchBackup> Next
launch for query 'Unha' not found.
L108[04:53:42] <TheKosmonaut> Deddly:
North Korea doesnt tend to publish that :P
L109[04:53:49] <TheKosmonaut> . Next
L110[04:53:52] <TheKosmonaut> Errrr
L111[04:54:10] <TheKosmonaut> .nextlaunch
Dnepr
L112[04:54:11] <NextlaunchBackup> Next
launch for query 'Dnepr' not found.
L113[04:54:51] <Deddly> TheKosmonaut,
interestingly, they did actually notify the International Maritime
Organization there was going to be a launch.
L114[04:55:23] <TheKosmonaut> Oh that is
right, Dnepr is retired
L115[04:55:25] <TheKosmonaut> :(
L116[04:55:52] <TheKosmonaut> .nextlaunch
Electron
L117[04:55:53] <NextlaunchBackup> Electron
| NASA VCLS - TBD/NET March 1, 2018 00:00:00 UTC
L118[04:56:35] <Deddly> .nextlaunch
JAXA
L119[04:56:35] <NextlaunchBackup> Next
launch for query 'JAXA' not found.
L120[04:56:55] <Deddly> Oh, so you can't
query for an agency?
L121[04:57:03] <Deddly> .nextlaunch
SpaceX
L122[04:57:04] <NextlaunchBackup> Next
launch for query 'SpaceX' not found.
L123[04:57:20] <Deddly> .nextlaunch
SS-520
L124[04:57:21] <NextlaunchBackup> Next
launch for query 'SS-520' not found.
L125[04:57:59] <Deddly> I like the bot,
NicknameHere. It would be even better if we could query by agency
:)
L127[04:58:18] <NicknameHere> So tell it
to bencredible :P
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L130[04:59:09] <Deddly> Ah OK :)
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L134[05:06:30] <Deddly> Oh, you sort of
already said that
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L139[05:28:25] <Althego> lol
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L142[05:29:45] <Fluburtur> I should be
able to test my rocket engine today
L143[05:29:49] <Fluburtur> exept that it's
snowing
L144[05:30:05] <Althego> lol
L145[05:30:37] <Althego> cold is good for
jets. is it good for rockets too?
L146[05:31:23] <Fluburtur> I guess but
irt's not good for me
L147[05:31:35] <Althego> hehe
L148[05:32:38] <Fluburtur> also I don't
want the thing to get wet
L149[05:32:51] <Fluburtur> because rocket
candy loves to absorb water
L150[05:33:10] <Deddly> Fluburtur, pic of
rocket?
L153[05:33:51] <Deddly> Nice. Are you
mounting it to anything?
L154[05:34:02] <Fluburtur> to a kitchen
scale
L155[05:34:40] <Althego> hah force
measurement
L156[05:34:49] <Deddly> Nice idea. Are you
testing different mixes?
L157[05:34:56] <Fluburtur> I might
L158[05:34:57] <Althego> and different
nozzles?
L159[05:35:10] <Fluburtur> my current one
is 60/40 but apparently 65/35 works better
L160[05:35:18] <Fluburtur> also the throat
of this nozzle is a bit too big
L161[05:35:44] <Fluburtur> and I can't
make another one exactly like this anyways so i will have to make a
different one
L162[05:35:49] <Fluburtur> unless this one
survives
L163[05:38:45] <Deddly> What are your
long-term plans?
L164[05:38:51] <Fluburtur> rocket
plane
L165[05:39:12] <Althego> put a 3d printed
kerbal on it
L166[05:39:25] <Fluburtur> give me a 3d
printer then
L167[05:41:13] <Fluburtur> I might also
make a proper rocket
L168[05:41:17] <Fluburtur> but rocket
plane is more fun
L169[05:41:26] <Althego> you can order
those figures
L170[05:41:56] <Althego> at least use a
paper one on the plane
L172[05:42:42] <Fluburtur> tbh if I order
one of those I won't want to break it
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L174[05:46:36] <Deddly> Fluburtur, nice
you're actually going to do the rocket plane :)
L175[05:46:49] <Deddly> Fluburtur, are you
planning to stick with solid fuel?
L176[05:47:21] <Fluburtur> nah I also want
to do hybrid
L177[05:47:30] <Fluburtur> but I have 1kg
of nitrate so I will have ot use it
L178[05:49:09] <Deddly> Cool.
L179[05:49:24] <Deddly> What are you
planning on using for fuel in the hybrid motor?
L180[05:49:33] <Fluburtur> parafin and
nitrous oxide
L181[05:50:22] <Deddly> Good choice
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L184[05:54:42] <TheKosmonaut> Not using
salamis?
L185[05:54:45] <TheKosmonaut> Psh
L186[05:55:16] <TheKosmonaut> This guy
over here living in 2018, I'm living in 1861
L187[05:56:19] <Althego> hehe
mythbusters?
L188[05:56:37] <Althego> i was thinking of
the salami too after the mentioning of paraffin
L190[06:08:54] <Pakaran> so my
"stock" game is now renamed stockish
L191[06:10:22] <Mat2ch> well, always
forgetting that it took BMW three years to get the gaps right in
their US factory...
L192[06:10:27] <Pakaran> and I've decided
I'm going to do a career, and a science, game in parallel. Mostly
because (1) the science game lets me do seriously kerbal stuff just
for the fun of it, and (2) when I use sandbox for testing craft,
especially with the various parts mods I'm using (plus USI), I tend
to get overwhelmed by the sheer number of available parts.
L193[06:11:07] <Pakaran> I'm tempted to
either give myself a couple hundred K at start, or disable part
unlock costs, though. They encourage me to do things the way I
always have.
L194[06:11:30] <Mat2ch> "Munro and
Associations is an engineering consultancy" ahahaha
L195[06:11:37] <Mat2ch> sorry, can't be
take seriously
L196[06:12:31] <Pakaran> yeah.
L197[06:12:50] <Pakaran> the real issue
for electric cars is the initial cost of purchase
L198[06:12:56] <Pakaran> and Tesla's
working on that.
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L210[06:24:20] <Deddly> The issue with the
Model 3 is panel gaps. If that's a big deal for you, then it's a
terrible car to buy. On the other hand, there appear to be a great
many people who couldn't care less about panel gaps.
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L212[06:27:25] <Guest10435> help
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L214[06:27:57] <Pakaran> I'm pretty sure
Musk is going to get a range record on one charge quite soon.
L215[06:29:44] <Deddly> Tomorrow, you
mean?
L216[06:30:02] <Fluburtur> im preparing
the test stand for my rocket engine
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L220[06:37:05] <Pakaran> nice, and
yes
L221[06:38:21] <Mod9000> .nextlaunch
L223[06:38:24] <Fluburtur> I prepared some
ignition assisting powder
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L225[06:38:58] <Fluburtur> or like it is
called, sulfur from match heads
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L227[06:45:30] <taniwha> I'm pretty sure
match heads don't use sulfur (rather, phosphor)
L228[06:47:20] <Deddly> Indeed
L229[06:53:48] <TheKosmonaut> One time in
Bali I got surrounded by police because a dog barked at me
L230[06:54:03] <TheKosmonaut> Turns out, I
reeked of sulphur
L231[06:54:40] <TheKosmonaut> Because I
had climbed into a volcano which had a ton of molten sit
L232[06:54:46] <TheKosmonaut>
Sulphur*
L233[06:54:47] <Deddly> TheKosmonaut, why
were you mixing gunpowder in public?
L234[06:55:26] <TheKosmonaut> Deddly: if
you have a better way to load a musket then I'd love to hear
it
L235[06:57:50] <Gasher[work]>
TheKosmonaut, paper cartridge?
L236[06:59:13] <TheKosmonaut> Mr fancy
tech over here
L237[07:01:46] <Fluburtur> I just smoked
my room by testing an electric igniter
L238[07:06:44] <TheKosmonaut> Fluburtur:
RIP
L239[07:08:48] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut:
sulfur*
L240[07:14:45] <TheKosmonaut> Rokker:
what'd I say
L241[07:14:48] <TheKosmonaut> Oh
look
L242[07:14:49] <TheKosmonaut> Lol
L243[07:21:35] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: the
commie spelling is what you said
L244[07:22:07] <Deddly> Rokker,
TheKosmonaut: Brimstone*
L245[07:29:17] <ve2dmn> Rokker: sorry, but
that's the Soviet Canuckistan spelling, not the commie one.
L246[07:29:36] <Gasher[work]>
TheKosmonaut, and yeah, no need to plug bayonets right into the
barrel
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L248[07:37:24] <ve2dmn> Unrelated random
fact: the 'Brimstone Butterfly' is called the 'Citrus Butterfly' or
'Lemon Butterfly' in French, Espagnol, Deutsch, Norwegian,
etc..
L249[07:37:45] <Gasher[work]> because of
color i guess?
L250[07:38:23] <ve2dmn> Because of colour
names, yes
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L252[07:46:28] <Fluburtur> back from
testing the rocket engine
L253[07:46:33] <Fluburtur> it went very
wrong
L254[07:47:05] <Fluburtur> it was very
hard to ignite and when it did it produced a whole 3 grams of
thrust and didn't even burn all the fuel
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L256[07:52:36] <Fluburtur> I think I put
the propellant in the tube too soon and it still had water in
it
L257[07:52:46] <Fluburtur> combustion ofit
was really dirty
L260[07:53:47] <kmath> YouTube -
misfire
L261[07:56:10] <Deddly> Aaw, that's a
shame, Fluburtur
L262[07:56:16] <Fluburtur> yeah
L263[07:56:26] <Fluburtur> I will try to
burn what remains of the fuel
L264[07:56:33] <Deddly> Very slow
combustion
L265[07:57:51] <Fluburtur> yeah
L266[07:57:58] <Fluburtur> most of it was
probably the igniter too
L267[07:58:22] <Fluburtur> my next engines
will have a partial hollow core for the igniter to sit in and
ignite easier
L268[07:58:45] <TheKosmonaut> Fluburtur: I
like that snort you do at the end of the video
L269[07:58:54] <TheKosmonaut> "mmm..
breathe in the smell of failed engine!"
L270[07:59:07] <Fluburtur> that was only
the 9th try to ignite it
L271[08:00:55] <Deddly> Failed engine
dust. Don't breathe this
L272[08:01:46] <Fluburtur> sniff
sniff
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L276[08:12:14] <Fluburtur> no wait there
was actually no thrust
L277[08:12:23] <Fluburtur> the whole
engine just got lighter by 5 grams
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L279[08:12:29] <Fluburtur> well maybe 1
gram
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L282[08:15:45] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur:
soooooo
L284[08:15:50] <kmath> YouTube - candy
propelled failure
L285[08:16:38] <Mat2ch> Did you watch the
"How to make Screw-Lock Sugar Rockets" video? ;)
L286[08:16:59] <Fluburtur> yeah years
ago
L287[08:17:07] <Fluburtur> I know why this
one didn't work
L288[08:17:12] <Fluburtur> fuel is
wet
L289[08:17:32] <Mat2ch> yeah, that
would've been my next question...
L290[08:17:43] <Mat2ch> there was too much
steam coming out of that thing
L291[08:17:57] <Fluburtur> used only 5
grams of fuel
L292[08:18:06] <Fluburtur> from the 20
grams in the engine
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L294[08:19:00] <Fluburtur> but it is
rocekt science, we learn more from failure than success
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L296[08:20:13] <Mat2ch> well, you also can
learn from books and stuff. You don't have to invent everything
again :D
L297[08:20:33] <Fluburtur> I knpow I did
my research first
L298[08:20:38] <Fluburtur> this was just
bad cooking
L299[08:25:49] <Fluburtur> well anyways I
can still use that nozzle for another one
L300[08:27:11] <Mat2ch> Moar booste, ehm,
cooking!
L301[08:27:51] <Fluburtur> yeah but I will
go to get my heli in two days so it will have to wait until im
back
L302[08:28:48] <Mat2ch> well, I'd suggest
to cook it today and let it sit to loose all moisture. But sugar
absorbs moisture...
L303[08:28:57] <Fluburtur> yeah
L304[08:29:18] <Fluburtur> I cook it with
water but water is supposed to evaporate while it cooks and then I
can store it
L305[08:29:25] <Fluburtur> but when I
cooked it I didn't wait enough
L306[08:30:25] <Mat2ch> when you're done
cooking it seal it somehow
L307[08:30:37] <Fluburtur> yeah I put it
in a tiny plastic box
L308[08:30:56] <Mat2ch> put some rice into
it, too
L309[08:31:15] <Fluburtur> I would rather
put those tiny silicated bags but I don't think I have any
L310[08:31:41] <Mat2ch> so use rice
:D
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L316[09:21:39] <kmath> YouTube - candy
propelled failure
L317[09:22:54] <BadRocketsCo> Fluburtur:
huh, looks like mixture failure?
L318[09:23:07] <Fluburtur> yeah the fuel
was wet
L319[09:23:22] <Fluburtur> cooked bad,
didn't wait long enough for the water to evaporate
L320[09:23:38] <BadRocketsCo> Oh,
dang.
L321[09:24:13] <Fluburtur> yeah
L322[09:24:23] <Fluburtur> but at least I
can still use the nozzle
L323[09:24:30] <BadRocketsCo> yeah, thats
good.
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L325[09:24:43] <Fluburtur> I just need to
fix it because it was cast badky and the divergent part is
bad
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L341[09:57:10] <Fluburtur> I need to build
better igniters too
L342[09:57:22] <Fluburtur> steel whool
seems to work quite nice
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L345[10:08:37] <Fluburtur> I did a high
speed video fo one of my electric igniters and I think I see a
problem
L346[10:09:28] <Blacksilver> Oh?
L348[10:09:55] <kmath> YouTube - electric
igniter test
L349[10:10:37] <Fluburtur> they are
contained in paper tape so I think that blocks the fire
L350[10:11:12] <Fluburtur> so next time I
should prepare a bunch of igniter heads and coat it in molten
rocket candy so that it is self contained and more powerful
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L353[10:17:56] <Fluburtur> also the wire
in this one doesn't actually burn so I can potentialy make reusale
ignitors
L354[10:18:06] <Fluburtur> if they don't
get absolutely molten by the rocket engine
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L360[10:25:56] <kmath> YouTube - electric
igniter test
L361[10:27:15] <Althego> wow slow mo
L362[10:27:23] <Fluburtur> woopin
400fps
L363[10:27:29] <Althego> is that the 50 hz
that is flashing?
L364[10:27:35] <Fluburtur> can go to 1200
but is ugly
L365[10:27:38] <Fluburtur> and yea
L366[10:27:44] <Fluburtur> should have
used my led lamp
L367[10:29:59] <ve2dmn> joy of under and
over sampling
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L380[11:04:01] <Fluburtur> I wonder how
well uncooked rocket candy burns
L381[11:04:08] <Fluburtur> probably too
well
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L396[11:30:51] <ve2dmn> probably, not that
well
L397[11:31:00] <Fluburtur> lel
L398[11:31:14] <Fluburtur> I have a
mechanical pencil case I want to turn into a rocket
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L408[12:08:08] <oren> ve2dmn: the
chocolate ones are smarties
L410[12:20:31] <kmath> YouTube - RC flying
wings formation/combat flying
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L412[12:23:42] <Althego> that rolling
shutter
L414[12:24:02] <Althego> nice video
L415[12:24:15] <Althego> but you could
have toned down the wind noises in the microphone a bit
L416[12:24:27] <Althego> ahaha the steam
rocket flat earther
L417[12:25:30] <Althego> this is just
stupid beyond belief. he could just pay a pilot to take him to even
higher
L418[12:26:36] <Althego> literally any
kind of plane would do
L419[12:26:43] <ve2dmn> oren: I live in
Canada. We have Smarties
L421[12:26:53] <kmath> YouTube - Top 15
Unusual Strangest Engines Starting Up And Running [VIDEOS]
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L424[12:29:46] <APlayer> Draconiator: What
have I just seen?!
L425[12:32:34] <Draconiator> I
dunno.
L426[12:32:56] <Draconiator> another one
of those flat earth whackjob nutcases
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L430[12:35:20] <APlayer> ve2dmn: We're a
few minutes past T-24:00:00
L431[12:35:44] <ve2dmn> yes
L432[12:35:57] <APlayer> You should have
linked this at exactly 19:30
L433[12:35:59] <APlayer> :P
L434[12:36:20] <Althego> haha isthata hype
train?
L435[12:36:35] <ve2dmn> blame my
headache
L437[12:36:48] <APlayer> Althego:
Yesitis
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L439[12:48:20] <ve2dmn> Althego: That guy
dreamed of making his own rocket... He became a flat-earther to get
funding
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L442[12:51:13] <ve2dmn> although, I upvote
most of them. I've been there myself
L443[12:52:35] <Althego> dont make a steam
powered rocket then
L444[12:52:48] <Iskierka> technically
hydrolox is steam powered
L445[12:53:10] <Althego> hehe
L446[12:53:18] <Althego> yes but he made a
literal steam powered one
L447[12:53:36] <Althego> nobody does that.
maybe never did. why? because id is bad
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L449[12:54:02] <ve2dmn> It's steam
locomotion powered by hype
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L451[12:55:14] <Pakaran> I think the idea
is he doesn't need actual fuel, he can just heat the steam
accumulator.
L452[12:55:26] <Althego> and for that you
need fuel :)
L453[12:55:38] <ve2dmn> Pakaran: why not
run on compressed air then?
L454[12:55:43] <Althego> exactly
L455[12:55:45] <Pakaran> Didn't he just
plug it to an outlet?
L456[12:55:48] <Althego> you can just hook
up a compressor
L457[12:56:03] <Pakaran> And then only
mess with cold water as reaction mass, yep.
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L459[12:56:05] <Althego> electricity also
comes from fuel. well, most of it
L460[12:56:29] <ve2dmn> It's all
Sun-Powered in the end
L461[12:56:32] <Althego> water bottle
rockets are a thing. maybe they scale up to this too
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L463[12:56:38] <Dawson> Can someone help
me ? I am trying to transfer fuel to my vessel and it does not
work
L464[12:56:39] <Iskierka> air has higher
mass so will have more thrust for a compressed supply
L465[12:56:45] <Althego> hah, behold my
fusion powered rocket!
L466[12:57:02] <Pakaran> per unit mass
yes.
L467[12:57:05] <Althego> forget nuclear
propulsion, fusion is the way to go!
L468[12:57:16] <Pakaran> he probably
doesn't want to carry air compressed to the density of water
L469[12:57:24] <Pakaran> (or if he DOES
want to, the FAA probably doesn't)
L470[12:57:40] <ve2dmn> Dawson: across a
seperator or not?
L471[12:57:43] <Iskierka> but he's
proposing steam-powered
L473[12:57:52] <Dawson> Yes
L474[12:57:53] <Althego> he would still be
better off with a hybrid rocket, like scaled
L475[12:57:59] <Dawson> but I enabled the
crossfeed
L476[12:58:14] <Althego> dawson's
creek
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L478[12:59:08] <Dawson_> Oh ops I
left
L479[12:59:13] <ve2dmn> Dawson: there are
a few things you can try, including scene change
L480[12:59:23] <Dawson_> Scene change
?
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L482[13:01:31] <Dawson__> Sorry whar is
scene change ?
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L484[13:02:37] <Althego> go to space
center and back
L485[13:02:44] <Althego> or switch to
other craft
L486[13:03:01] <Dawson__> I have tried
that I still can't transfer fuel
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L488[13:03:31] <Dawson__> I can only
transfer between the two on the right side before the docking
port
L489[13:03:55] <Althego> docking port
should be able to transfer fuel
L490[13:04:04] <Althego> unless there is
something in the way that doesnt
L491[13:04:37] <Dawson__> Oh... I have a
few things in the way I think
L493[13:05:03] <Dawson__> lol So I will
not be able to ?
L494[13:05:22] <Althego> that depends on
the things
L495[13:05:35] <Althego> some things
explicitly state with orange letters: no fuel crossfeed
L496[13:06:10] <Dawson__> Oh I see I am
going to check that
L497[13:06:27] <Pakaran> If so, you can
always bridge it with fuel lines, no?
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L499[13:06:55] <Althego> yes, fuel lines
work
L500[13:07:23] <Althego> it can also be a
bug
L501[13:07:27] <ve2dmn> Pakaran: not once
the craft is already in space
L502[13:07:33] <Althego> or some other
rule, like needing to upgrade some building
L503[13:07:53] <ve2dmn> I would try
disabling and re-enable crossfeed on the seperator
L504[13:08:03] <Dawson__> I can but you
see I already sent it in orbit around gilly lol
L505[13:08:08] <Althego> ah wait, isnt it
the devoupler or the heatshield?
L506[13:08:11] <Pakaran> ve2dmn, oh,
right.
L507[13:08:18] <Althego> you can turn on
crossfeed for the decoupler
L508[13:08:22] <Dawson__> I will try
L509[13:08:48] <Althego> yep, heatshield
has no crossfeed
L510[13:08:55] <Pakaran> I was going to
say that I believe that the Kerbal X is a good example of fuel
transfer
L511[13:09:10] <Dawson__> Damn
L512[13:09:14] <Althego> so even if you
turn on crossfeed for the decoupler
L513[13:09:21] <Althego> the heatshield
needs a pipe around i
L514[13:09:23] <Althego> t
L515[13:09:24] <Dawson__> So that is my
problem
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L517[13:09:36] <Dawson__> Thank you
L518[13:10:15] <Pakaran> I've been
thinking about how heavy (and even more so, how tall) I can get
away with using the basic heat shield.
L519[13:10:41] <Althego> you can turn on
fuel flow visualization in the editor. simulate transfer by putting
a tank on the docking port
L520[13:10:52] <Pakaran> Being able to
return a science can, and a few other things, would be handy, but
that's becoming more than a "bare" lander, and chute on
top raises the risk that if plasma sneaks over the shield anywhere,
it'll hit the chute.
L521[13:11:07] <Dawson__> How do I do that
Althego ?
L522[13:11:33] <Althego> right click on a
tank or engine and select fuel delivery overlay
L523[13:11:58] <Dawson__> How do I get
that option ?
L524[13:12:00] <Pakaran> Science can
lateral on the pod wouldn't cause that problem, but would really
skew the mass balance on launch, especially around maxq (1
kps?)
L525[13:12:17] <Althego> it is in the
editor only
L526[13:12:17] <ve2dmn> Dawson__: which
version of KSP are you running?
L527[13:12:25] <Althego> and maybe
advanced tweakables need to be on
L528[13:12:34] <Pakaran> once I get that
far, I could put fins on the second stage...
L529[13:12:34] <Althego> but it doesnt
make any sense to have them off anyway
L530[13:12:34] <Dawson__> The newest one I
belive
L531[13:12:45] <Pakaran> but THEN level 2
VAB is closer to a requirement
L532[13:13:30] <Pakaran> Just thinking out
loud, and I have an hour or two of play before this save gets
there, but I'm open to thoughts.
L533[13:14:24] <Pakaran> I could use a
2.5M heat shield, but FAR is not going to like me pushing what's
practically a circular airbrake.
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L537[13:27:38] <ve2dmn> I wonder how Elon
Musk feels
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L540[13:34:04] <Pakaran> Honestly, he
pretty much has to be seen driving the latest Tesla car, which
means he's never going to wear one out.
L541[13:34:17] <Pakaran> He probably
doesn't mind that much.
L542[13:35:05] <ve2dmn> I was not talking
about the payload
L543[13:36:04] <Pakaran> I'm sure he's
anxious, but there's been plenty of other launches.
L544[13:37:10] <ve2dmn> And I have very
poor sources that there's a KSP sticker inside the Telsa
L545[13:37:33] <ve2dmn> Tesla*
L546[13:37:59] <Pakaran> awesome if
so.
L547[13:38:33] <Pakaran> We did establish
in the KSP facebook group that, even if there were provision to
land, it's not possible to drive a Tesla on mars due to cooling
issues.
L548[13:39:03] <ve2dmn> ?
L549[13:39:56] <Pakaran> cooling the
motors in particular
L550[13:40:19] <Pakaran> though I guess
you could drive really slowly.
L551[13:42:28] <Pakaran> .nextlaunch
L553[13:42:29] <kmath> YouTube - Falcon
Heavy Test Flight
L554[13:43:31] <Althego> simulation
L555[13:43:34] <Althego> as elon called
it
L556[13:45:05] <ve2dmn> but it's an
average of -24C on Mars, no?
L557[13:45:14] <ve2dmn> is it the air
pressure?
L559[13:45:21] <kmath> YouTube - Falcon
Heavy Animation
L560[13:45:59] <Pakaran> let me
check
L561[13:47:14] <Althego> dont you all hate
how the science bay is so big, it never fits on anything
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L563[13:49:09] <ve2dmn> Althego: you mean
the material thingy?
L564[13:49:13] <Althego> that
L565[13:49:19] <Althego> science junior
materials bay
L566[13:49:40] <Althego> what is the point
of making the video unlisted then tweeting it out?
L567[13:50:18] <ve2dmn> Then it's
secret
L568[13:50:24] <ve2dmn> it's a shared
secret
L569[13:52:34] <ve2dmn> You could say that
it's a secret to everybody
L570[14:02:47] <Pakaran> I kind of wonder
if it's that big to impose a design constraint
L571[14:10:18] <UmbralRaptor> probably.
More so in older versions when it massed more.
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L575[14:15:31] <APlayer> Althego: /me
wants KSP exhaust plumes like the ones SpaceX has in their
animations
L576[14:16:49] <APlayer> Also, /me wonders
how many mission control centers they need for three booster
landings and a second stage ascent
L577[14:19:01] <KrazyKrl> Didn't KSP have
some absurd volumetric smoke that utterly killed FPS?
L578[14:19:18] <ve2dmn> APlayer: It's
probably like Voltron: It seperates in parts
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L580[14:20:02] <Iskierka> KSP has never
had anything close to as fancy as volumetrics
L581[14:20:03] <Althego> there is soem
realplumes or whatever
L582[14:21:31] <RandomJeb> there was that
one mod that increased the number of smoke sprites to like 2k that
would hog a lot of resources, but then it got better in later
versions
L583[14:21:36] <KrazyKrl> I mean the
exhaust from about 5 years ago. The thick stuff that was probably
overdrawing itself with transparency and particle effects.
L584[14:22:50] <Iskierka> A) good particle
smoke should be drawing over itself constantly, it's gonna look
kinda crap otherwise B) pretty sure it was just a really bad
particle controller
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L586[14:23:56] <KrazyKrl> I honestly think
it was every game tick, a large smoke sprite particle was drawn
with transparency; and was iterated with animation for each
particle every subsequent tick.
L587[14:24:14] <Iskierka> ... that's still
done
L588[14:24:18] <Iskierka> that's how
particle effects work
L589[14:24:22] <Iskierka> the old
controller was just crap
L590[14:24:38] <KrazyKrl> exactly... there
was a ton of overdraw.
L591[14:24:58] <Iskierka> No, you WANT
overdraw for good smoke
L592[14:25:10] <Iskierka> otherwise it's
very obviously just a series of blobbed partibles
L593[14:25:25] <Iskierka> the controller
was just crap, again. Unrelated to rendering
L594[14:27:42] <bees> <KrazyKrl> I
mean the exhaust from about 5 years ago.
L595[14:27:52] <bees> for some reason i
thought about lunar atmosphere
L596[14:27:59] <bees> and that chinese
lander
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L598[14:28:56] <ve2dmn> Luna has an
exophere, no?
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L600[14:33:17] <EricPoehlsen> Well it
would probably be possible to make a part module using the Shuriken
System - but as KSP is already torturing many systems with its
phyics calculations it would probably break most computers
necks
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L605[14:56:02] <Pakaran> will I have
problems generating enough science for USI, et cetera, using the
stock solar system and outer planets? I know it's possible to get
infinite science on the pad using the lab (which I've never gotten
to), even in stock?
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L607[14:57:32] <Iskierka> stock system on
its own has always been excessive amounts of science no matter how
many mods I've used
L608[14:59:10] <Althego> in stock kerbin
and its moon give you all the science you need lol
L609[14:59:14] <Althego> moons
L610[14:59:24] <Iskierka> and that's
without labs
L611[14:59:27] <Althego> even if you have
some extra huge tech tree
L612[14:59:35] <Pakaran> thanks
L613[14:59:36] <Iskierka> using other
planets you can fill out as many mods as you want
L614[14:59:41] <Althego> with all the
other planets you cant run out of science
L615[14:59:45] <Pakaran> well the most
expensive node is 10k
L616[14:59:50] <Pakaran> thanks
L617[15:00:01] <Pakaran> I'm asking all
this stuff because I want to start a play-through to play more long
term.
L618[15:00:18] <Pakaran> I might turn off
(or way down) life support initially, but other than that,
challenge is fun.
L619[15:00:28] <Iskierka> lab should
really be altered to an alternate return location or something.
it's really unnecessary to have it scale collection (and allow
repeating between different labs)
L620[15:00:47] <Althego> because of the
abundance of science
L621[15:01:05] <Althego> i never used the
lab since it was overhauled (originally it allowed resetting the
experiments)
L622[15:01:19] <Pakaran> nod
L623[15:01:32] <Pakaran> I don't really
figure on abusing multiple labs, et cetera.
L624[15:01:34] <Althego> brotherhood of
nood
L625[15:01:37] <Althego> nod
L626[15:01:42] <Althego> global defense
initiative
L627[15:02:00] <Pakaran> I just figure it
would be a reason to get something heavy in orbit long-term, and
then dock, rotate crew, et cetera.
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L629[15:02:04] <Iskierka> even a single
lab is kinda abusing it IMO
L630[15:02:34] <Althego> there is soem
mod, maybe called station science, with wwhich you can do...
station science
L631[15:02:47] <Iskierka> hm, there's an
idea. Science can only be directly collected from recovery at KSC,
or at a lab
L632[15:03:07] <Iskierka> either precision
interplanetary recovery, or dock it to a station
L633[15:03:11] <Pakaran> Iskierka, that's
kind of what I was thinking.
L634[15:03:26] <Pakaran> Also allows
things like landers commuting between the Mun lab and the
surface
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L636[15:04:06] <Pakaran> then if I get
that far, the landers could do mining etc
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L638[15:05:01] <Pakaran> always wanted to
do an Apollo style program with multiple craft
L640[15:05:49] <Pakaran> thanks.
L641[15:07:24] <Pakaran> planning to watch
this for ideas too
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L646[15:18:12] <EricPoehlsen> Pakaran,
have a look at StationScience
L647[15:18:35] <EricPoehlsen> it has
experiments that must be brought up - done over time and
returned
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L649[15:19:41] <EricPoehlsen> Using DMagic
Science Parts and Station Science + Stock Science - you get well
along the techtree - without squeezing out every biome
L650[15:20:46] <EricPoehlsen> I personally
am no friend of biome hopping and hoping to get every science point
there is kerbally possible
L651[15:21:28] <Mathuin> I like being able
to complete all the things, and I think the KSC science is very
effective at bridging gaps.
L652[15:22:46] <EricPoehlsen> yeah it is
coming in handy, if you are like 10 points short of the
SpaceEcploration Node or something in that regards
L653[15:22:48] <Pakaran> yeah, I use the
one mod that auto-collects KSC science
L654[15:23:10] <Supercheese> That's Kerbal
Environmental Institute, yeah?
L655[15:23:12] <Pakaran> but I try to put
off using it, do a hopper, then a single-stage swivel based
craft
L656[15:23:14] <Pakaran> yeah
L657[15:23:15] <Mathuin> The single
annoyance I have in that area is that upgrading the VAB to level 3
actually takes away a "biome".
L658[15:23:29] <Supercheese> that is
indeed annoying
L659[15:23:38] <Pakaran> I haven't gotten
around to building a science car
L660[15:23:50] <Pakaran> but I will land
solid-fuel rockets in new places while grinding funds etc
L661[15:23:51] <Mathuin> Someone was a
jerk on my Kerbal-X science buggy upload
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L663[15:24:05] <Pakaran> So, one more
question before I start the actual game...
L664[15:24:14] <Mathuin> I was all
"I'm not uploading this for *you*, it's for *me* when I start
a new game I can download it." Whee.
L665[15:24:18] <APlayer> "Science
car" sounds like something out of Thing Explainer
L666[15:24:20] <Pakaran> do I want to play
normal diff with part unlock costs, or moderate without?
L667[15:24:34] <EricPoehlsen> I hate part
unlock cost
L668[15:24:38] <Supercheese> You will not
go to science today
L669[15:24:42] <Mathuin> part unlock cost
seems silly IMO
L670[15:24:45] <APlayer> "House with
four round things made to collect science"
L671[15:24:46] <Pakaran> so without isn't
"unfair"?
L672[15:24:47] <Pakaran> thanks
L673[15:24:51] <Supercheese> you can just
disable it
L674[15:24:56] <Pakaran> heh
L675[15:24:58] <EricPoehlsen> I play a
'pretty hard' g forces etc.
L676[15:25:06] <EricPoehlsen> but no part
unlock costs
L677[15:25:19] <Pakaran> yeah, I just want
a balance where I can do some "fun" flights, or with no
contracts, maybe a part test in the air etc
L678[15:25:25] <EricPoehlsen> Pakaran:
there is no 'unfair'
L679[15:25:33] <Pakaran> and not have to
do 2 other flights to grind funds.
L680[15:25:35] <APlayer> Yeah, IMHO unlock
costs are simply a mild annoyance but add no difficulty and/or
depth to the game
L681[15:25:46] <Pakaran> also, they
discourage tinkering.
L682[15:25:54] <EricPoehlsen> except
uploading some content somewhere and bragging that you did it in
harder settings then you actually did
L683[15:26:01] <Pakaran> I don't like when
every, e.g., third stage I make ends up with the same engine
L684[15:26:14] <EricPoehlsen> if you want
'hard'
L685[15:26:18] <Pakaran> Well, I have
deeadly reentry on this time
L686[15:26:20] <APlayer> That's the case
for me if I play with stock only parts :P
L687[15:26:25] <EricPoehlsen> use USI-LS +
ConnectedLivingspace
L688[15:26:26] <Pakaran> had FAR
before
L689[15:26:52] <Pakaran> I have all of
USI, even Orion.
L690[15:26:59] <APlayer> There are mostly
niche use cases for engines, except the poodle and the small LV one
(whatever is its name), and those two are incredibly useful
L691[15:27:02] <EricPoehlsen> that means
that Minmus is out of reach until you get the hitchhiker
L692[15:27:06] <APlayer> Also,
occasionally the spark
L693[15:27:25] <Pakaran> You can't just
add a 1 tonne LS container or something?
L694[15:27:25] <EricPoehlsen> I love the
spark for landers
L695[15:27:43] <APlayer> Anyway, I am off
for today
L696[15:27:48] <EricPoehlsen> Pakaran you
need habitat for more than 7 days
L697[15:27:49] <Pakaran> My mun craft,
last game, was based on a daschund (?) second stage
L698[15:28:03] <APlayer> Have a nice
night's sleep before tomorrow's Falcon Heavy action
L699[15:28:03] <EricPoehlsen> capsule is
only good for 7 day of travels
L700[15:28:22] <Pakaran> ah, it's a
psychological thing?
L701[15:28:42] <Pakaran> I don't think
I'll get that one this run, though I will maybe leave USI-LS
on.
L702[15:28:56] <EricPoehlsen> yep USI-LS
needs food, electricity, habitat and home
L703[15:29:05] <Pakaran> Mining and such
sounds fun to do in science games
L704[15:29:26] <EricPoehlsen> habitat is
how long you can remain on the current vessel, and home how long
you can stay off kerbin
L705[15:29:39] <Pakaran> Does higher level
impact it?
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L707[15:30:09] <EricPoehlsen> with a few
hitchhikers and a small crew you can do several years
L708[15:30:11] <Pakaran> Hmm, that would
also mean that if I do use a lab in intermediate Kerbin orbit or
something, I'd have to arrange crew rotation.
L709[15:30:25] <Pakaran> That would
actually give interesting things to do in a science game.
L710[15:30:34] <EricPoehlsen> yep - use
KerbalAlarmClock - it's your friend
L711[15:30:53] <EricPoehlsen> for crew
rotations, estimated science downloads etc.
L712[15:31:01] <Pakaran> I have that
already.
L713[15:31:17] <EricPoehlsen> for example
I have normally a lab with me on my interplanetary trips
L714[15:31:19] <Pakaran> I can always edit
myself more funds, or allow negative funds, if it gets grindy
L715[15:31:45] <Pakaran> My starting
routine already involves finding some reason to get Val into Kerbin
orbit so she's capable of basis SAS for future flights.
L716[15:31:50] <Pakaran> *basic
L717[15:32:04] <EricPoehlsen> hmm I use
"Final Frontier"
L718[15:32:19] <EricPoehlsen> and my
startup is - Jeb get's First in Space
L719[15:32:28] <EricPoehlsen> Val gets
First Orbit
L720[15:33:25] <EricPoehlsen> But I do use
MechJeb - I am more a FlightDirector than a Pilot
L721[15:33:40] <Pakaran> have Final
Frontier too.
L722[15:34:05] <Pakaran> The advantage of
having been in orbit is to eyeball transfers to Mun without
nodes.
L723[15:34:55] <EricPoehlsen> I can handle
Mun transfers on the Level 1 Tracking Station - even without
patched conics
L724[15:35:05] <Pakaran> One thing I
wanted to do, suggested here before, that sounds like it might be
too hard with USI is to get a craft into polar, and ideally fairly
low, Mun orbit to harvest science.
L725[15:35:09] <EricPoehlsen> but beyond
that I need at least patched conics
L726[15:35:31] <EricPoehlsen> hmm
L727[15:35:44] <EricPoehlsen> you can do
some Mun Landings with USI
L728[15:35:56] <EricPoehlsen> its within
range of going there and back
L729[15:36:03] <Pakaran> just the
thermometer/barometer would add a lot.
L730[15:36:14] <EricPoehlsen> at least in
OPM - it is bad with KerbalStarSystems
L731[15:36:21] <Pakaran> nod, just need to
limit the number of orbits.
L732[15:36:28] <EricPoehlsen> I started a
new safe with that and I am still struggling
L733[15:36:33] <Pakaran> I don't have
that, playing 1.3.
L734[15:36:53] <EricPoehlsen> 1.3.0?
L735[15:37:26] <Pakaran> 1.3.1 actually,
it was the latest Steam version when I moved it out
yesterday.
L736[15:37:53] <Pakaran> but Roverdude is
really good about compatability, and I basically have USI, FAR and
a few parts mods
L737[15:38:17] <EricPoehlsen> well
KerbalStarSystems does 1.3.1 - but it makes Minmus a comet and
moves the Mun to about 2/3 of Minmus Orbit
L738[15:38:23] <Pakaran> (don't know what
I did without an engine between the Swivel and Terrier, in
particular, I see that as an oversight in stock).
L739[15:38:25] <Pakaran> ouch.
L740[15:38:29] <EricPoehlsen> so with
USI-LS you can barely reach it
L741[15:38:52] <Pakaran> I was going to
try almost real solar system, or whatever
L742[15:39:09] <EricPoehlsen> I would love
to try it if it was available for 1.3.1
L743[15:39:14] <Pakaran> but the default
scaling is 2.5x kerbin size, which I found made it a real challenge
to even get into orbit, much less mun
L744[15:39:33] <Pakaran> I believe it is,
and in ckan even, let me check the name
L745[15:39:55] <Pakaran> you can edit any
scaling factor in, 2.5 is just the default (a bit easier than
quarter scale RSS)
L746[15:40:57] <EricPoehlsen> I actually
want to go interstellar - because I also wanted to make some mods
based on a pen&paper Space Opera Game I am developing with some
friends
L747[15:41:03] <ve2dmn> There is also a
'micro-scale' KSP
L748[15:41:11] <ve2dmn> where everything
is 1/6 the size
L749[15:41:28] <EricPoehlsen> yeah I saw
that on ScottManleys Channel
L750[15:42:07] <ve2dmn> Pakaran: I rarely
use anything other then the best ISP engine...
L751[15:42:16] <ve2dmn> I'm too afraid of
running out of dV
L752[15:42:20] <Pakaran> EricPoehlsen,
(almost) real solar system
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L754[15:43:06] <EricPoehlsen> Okay gotta
go - It's getting late in my time zone ...
L755[15:43:10] <Pakaran> station science
sounds worth adding
L756[15:43:20] <Pakaran> ok, sleep well.
I'm going to watch some more videos
L757[15:43:26] <ve2dmn> Pakaran: I love
it
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L759[15:43:54] <Pakaran> I like career
mode, but it's annoying when it feels like grinding funds.
L760[15:44:04] <Pakaran> that lets up
quite a bit with tourists and rescues, though.
L761[15:46:07] <ve2dmn> I automated my
tourist 'orbits around kerbin' and I was rolling in $ in no
time
L762[15:47:19] <Pakaran> I found any craft
that can perform rescues via EVA can also quite effectively perform
tourist delivery
L763[15:47:44] <Pakaran> didn't get that
far last game, but it's fun.
L764[15:48:44] <ve2dmn> Pakaran: I would
also suggest KEI
L765[15:49:38] <Pakaran> I have it. I try
to stay a bit ahead of the science curve and not use all of it, but
don't always succeed.
L766[15:50:27] <Fluburtur> I had a fleet
made of 407 corvettes in stellaris
L767[15:50:33] <Fluburtur> just to kill
some ether drake
L768[15:50:40] <Fluburtur> didn't lose a
single one
L770[15:51:35] <Pakaran> nice
L771[15:51:40] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: I can
never play any of these games in french...
L772[15:52:07] <Fluburtur> I had to put it
in french because my friends had their gme in french and we didn't
have the same names for stuff
L773[15:52:55] <ve2dmn> ha
L774[15:54:11] <Pakaran> actually screw
it, I'm going to start the game.
L775[15:56:14] <Pakaran> keep
procrastinating
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L785[16:14:36] <kmath> YouTube - Falcon
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L799[16:41:43] <kmath> YouTube - Falcon
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L808[17:11:00] <lqid> I wanna go home and
play. :(
L809[17:13:32] <Mathuin> I am home
playing. :-) Baby is asleep, cat is asleep, housework is complete,
I have about 90 minutes until the wife gets home.
L810[17:20:43] <Pakaran> I separated a
booster, and even though it was at high altitude (and I stuck with
the parachute defualt settings), I immediately saw realchute saying
the booster's parachutes were destroyed.
L811[17:21:03] <Pakaran> It seems like
staging the chutes "should" only arm them, the same way
you can arm them on a crewed craft still in orbit?
L812[17:21:14] <Pakaran> Do I need to do
something specific for stagerecovery?
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L814[17:22:36] <Pakaran> ooh, looks like
it used a spare chute. the booster is still down there, not yet
landed
L815[17:23:20] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: same,
except no baby, no wife, cat is annoying and hosework is 2 weeks
overdue
L816[17:23:55] <Pakaran> that's the drogue
chute. well, I'll figure it out.
L817[17:24:00] <Draconiator>
hosework?
L818[17:24:05] <Draconiator> lol
L819[17:24:13] <ve2dmn> ...
L820[17:25:04] <ve2dmn> yes my dry
cleaning of hose work pants is weeks overdues
L821[17:28:46] <Pakaran> need to set the
chutes correctly so they don't go off during launch
L822[17:28:58] <Pakaran> would think there
would be a "down velocity required" checkbox...
L823[17:33:00] <Pakaran> what's reasonable
drogue/main chute settings to recover a booster?
L824[17:34:32] <Draconiator> You can move
around the various stages Pak.
L825[17:36:41] <Pakaran> oh, I'm trying to
recover boosters.
L826[17:36:59] <Pakaran> in this case
succeeded, because the main chute was enough, but I'm not sure that
would be the case if they hit a mountain.
L827[17:38:39] <Pakaran> Still need to get
someone in orbit...
L828[17:39:55] <Mathuin> Stupid kOS mini
thing is just too tiny.
L829[17:40:52] <Pakaran> do I want
Recycling, Miniaturization, Heavy Rocketry or Propulsion
Systems?
L830[17:43:31] <markovify> pakaran: Remind
me what recycling gives you
L831[17:46:02] <Pakaran> It's a USI-LS
thing, gives two parts that reduce Supplies consumption.
L832[17:46:59] <Pakaran> looks like it and
Storage Technology (to carry more supplies, et cetera) are
essential "eventually".
L833[17:47:20] <Pakaran> right now I've
got the first level of AC and Launchpad upgrades, and am about to
go for orbit.
L834[17:48:08] <Pakaran> have 156 science,
any of the nodes I mentioned are 90.
L835[17:48:51] <Pakaran> Still need to get
Kerbin science from poles and highlands, at least, so all of the
above isn't unreasonable "eventually".
L836[17:51:40] <Pakaran> recoverable
boosters end up being quite cheap.
L837[17:57:31] <markovify> eh, you really
don't need any of those to make orbit
L838[17:57:58] <markovify> maybe recycling
because it's an investment
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L840[18:03:22] <Pakaran> thanks
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L842[18:05:01] <Pakaran> by scaling
low-level chutes, I bet I can recover my first stage too.
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L845[18:08:08] <markovify> or just put as
many as possible and then some
L846[18:08:24] <markovify> it's the kerbal
way
L847[18:08:40] <Pakaran> with a level 1
VAB and 30 parts, as many as possible is distinctly low.
L848[18:10:43] <markovify> ah, i see
L849[18:10:59] <markovify> get to orbit
already so you can use the funds to upgrade!
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L851[18:12:09] <JCB> someone said
upgrading the VAB or whatever.. you loose a biome?
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L853[18:12:41] <KrazyKrl> upgrade the VAB
one tier so you can do a munar free return?
L854[18:13:06] <Pakaran> no, I did use
KEI
L855[18:13:17] <Pakaran> and that's
tempting, never done a free return. Think I'd want nodes for
that.
L856[18:13:46] <Pakaran> Immediate plan is
orbit, then simply get to Mun, orbit, get back.
L857[18:13:55] <Pakaran> then I should
have the tools to get more funds.
L860[18:15:55] <JCB> eh..?
L861[18:15:55] <markovify> why get kerbin
science when you can get space science? higher multipliers
L862[18:15:57] <Fluburtur> just watched
saluyt 7
L863[18:16:00] <Fluburtur> nice
movie
L864[18:16:10] <markovify> sure it's
cheaper to get to but it's not worth living with a 30 part
limit
L865[18:16:33] <markovify> KrazyKrl: stick
some fins on for goodness sakes
L866[18:17:45] <JCB> I've challenged
myself to see how far I could get with as few parts...
L869[18:18:16] <Pakaran> that should get
to orbit, and very comfortably recover the boosters and first
stage
L870[18:18:44] <Pakaran> though, hmm,
could thrust limit the boosters. glad I made myself check
that.
L871[18:19:16] <JCB> hmm.. anyone ever
done drop tanks on a rocket before?
L872[18:19:28] <KrazyKrl> I don't need no
stinkin' fins.
L873[18:19:43] <KrazyKrl> 11k munar flyby
though.
L874[18:20:32] <markovify> jcb: kind of
unnecessary, plus it raises twr by a lot
L875[18:20:38] <markovify> jcb: better to
just stage
L876[18:21:51] <KrazyKrl> fins don't help
unless they are control surfaces anyhow. rockets should be stable
enough without stability enhancers.
L877[18:24:14] <KrazyKrl> iirc that rocket
was launched on a flyby with literally the launch pad upgraded to
level 2... even a level 1 VAB was used.
L878[18:24:49] <Fluburtur> well, saluyt 7
is a nice movie but I feel like they exagerated the facts a
little
L879[18:25:13] <KrazyKrl> A movie that
embelishes the facts? What a travesty!
L880[18:27:25] <Pakaran> level 2 launch
pad is a standard for me.
L881[18:27:31] <Pakaran> VAB is pretty
expensive.
L882[18:27:45] <JCB> ... raises twr
huh?
L883[18:28:41] <Pakaran> I do have
electrical parts etc to do the tourist trade
L884[18:28:50] <KrazyKrl> Yep... i pretty
much had to upgrade the pad to level 2. I don't think you can make
it to the mun with a crew pod along with the starter parts below
18tonnes.
L885[18:28:59] <JCB> movie based on
facts.. wouldn't that just be a documentary?
L886[18:29:27] <KrazyKrl> And if you
can... having the extra dV allocated to make up for no patched
conics and no manuver nodes would probably be the hitching
point.
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L888[18:29:57] <KrazyKrl> And even then...
i doubt you could pack science experiments.
L889[18:30:29] <Pakaran> yeah.
L890[18:31:09] <Pakaran> IIRC, the VAB is
about as expensive as both components of patched conics.
L891[18:31:14] <JCB> heh.. strap a kerbal
to the stop of the rocket.. there's your science.. I'm sure he'll
have lots to say once back
L892[18:31:35] <Pakaran> it is possible to
do a lot just by priority unlocking the bigger tanks (T-400 in
particular)
L893[18:32:10] <Pakaran> heh
L894[18:32:19] <Pakaran> was thinking EVA
reports over Mun biomes
L895[18:32:38] <Pakaran> and, indeed,
spare dV.
L896[18:32:49] <JCB> 30 parts does kind of
limit you a lot.... its just barely enough to get a plane made with
a couple of science parts
L897[18:33:02] <KrazyKrl> Well... the
entire point of that flyby mission with level 1 everything(except
launchpad)... was for massive science points when most sciences are
super cheap.
L898[18:33:25] <Pakaran> I still need to
learn plane design.
L899[18:33:47] <Pakaran> I have every 45
science node, and like 3 @90
L900[18:33:57] <JCB> hmm... ya but doing
things too quickly, you miss out on some of the firsts based
contracts.
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L902[18:34:48] <Pakaran> like docking in
orbit?
L903[18:34:51] <RandomJeb> a lot of the
kerbin and mun firsts aren't really worth it, by the time you get
them you've got bigger fish to fry
L904[18:35:04] <Pakaran> I don't think
there's much else I generally miss.
L905[18:35:23] <JCB> first docking in
orbit actually gives you a few firsts...
L906[18:35:57] <Pakaran> when I get back
to the game I'll look at that one
L907[18:36:02] <JCB> it can also be
repeated around the mun I think?
L908[18:36:13] <KrazyKrl> Well, you can
easily brute force your way though via farming science... The real
fun is making your own challenges while not needing to make the
game super grindy.
L909[18:36:21] <Pakaran> I usually think
of it in terms of whether it'll give me as much funds as things
that are equally fun and easy to do.
L910[18:37:04] <JCB> for me.. docking with
the JR one.. gave me first meet up, first docking.. don't remember
if building spacestation thing was under same as docking. Then you
can crew transfer between ships if you a spare seat
L911[18:37:14] <Pakaran> yeah. I find
science mode too easy, but I'm at the part of the game where I seem
to chronically need funds.
L912[18:37:31] <Pakaran> orbit kerbin
should do a lot to fix that.
L913[18:37:54] <JCB> meh.. its more about
the parts and not enough science for me...
L914[18:38:03] <JCB> I also sorta force
myself delaying upgrading things
L915[18:38:21] <KrazyKrl> Everyone knows
that KSP is 90% VAB, 25% Flight.
L917[18:39:09] <JCB> I'm hoping to do a
video of a mun fly around using docking of two craft/ships... Mk1
pod and a booster stage, both sent up seperately
L918[18:39:24] <Pakaran> nice
L919[18:39:46] <JCB> gemini did something
similar but kept it in orbit around Earth
L920[18:40:07] <Pakaran> a science game
would be good for working through USI, setting up bases and
such.
L921[18:40:29] <JCB> its also currently
the highest orbiting crewed craft to date... ya we went ot the moon
but that wasn't techinically an 'orbit' around Earth
L923[18:42:21] <JCB> I've been pondering
RP-0... just to change things up a little...
L924[18:43:12] <JCB> I also get a little
nervous just thinking of launching massive creations right from the
start
L925[18:43:33] <Pakaran> I generally never
launch more than a third of my funds.
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L928[19:03:24] <Mathuin> I rarely launch
most of my money, but I often spend it on upgrading.
L929[19:03:31] <Pakaran> yeah, this.
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L931[19:03:51] <Pakaran> I had level 2
launchpad and AC after my... second launch?
L932[19:04:16] <Pakaran> I need to learn
how to dock in orbit, and how to do those specific survey of Kerbin
jobs. Probably easy enough with solid rockets.
L933[19:05:33] <Pakaran> starting the game
now...
L934[19:05:43] <Pakaran> I have a stock
install too, so I could do the docking etc tutorials
L935[19:05:49] <markovify> Pakaran: keep
us updated
L936[19:06:03] <Pakaran> sorry.
L937[19:06:12] <markovify> Pakaran: i
would strongly recommend tutorials, v helpful
L938[19:06:30] <Pakaran> if I'm spamming,
tell me.
L939[19:06:49] <markovify> pfft
L940[19:06:54] <Pakaran> Pretty sure I've
done that one at some point. One issue is I need to learn the
keys.
L941[19:06:56] <markovify> this channel
needs some activity anyway
L942[19:07:04] <Pakaran> when you said
'keep us updated', I thought you were being sarcastc.
L943[19:07:08] <markovify> no sorry
L944[19:07:12] <markovify> is it the
lowercase?
L945[19:07:16] <markovify> Keep us
updated!
L946[19:07:20] <markovify> is that
better
L947[19:07:54] <Pakaran> I'll probably
just launch the screenshot I shared before. It should be able to
reach orbit, and quite cheaply if the recovery systems work.
L948[19:08:10] <markovify> assuming it
doesn't flip
L950[19:08:24] <Pakaran> that's why it has
the bigass fins. Ideally.
L951[19:08:24] <Pakaran> heh
L952[19:08:42] <Pakaran> and yes, I'm
cheating by using scaled up mk-16 chutes as booster
nosecones.
L953[19:08:46] <markovify> that... is a
lot of mods
L954[19:09:31] <Pakaran> heh, the shortcut
is named "stockish".
L955[19:10:09] <Pakaran> it takes about 5
minutes to load. I don't use mechjeb because it's still fun to
maneuver manually
L956[19:10:46] <Pakaran> I did set the
first stage to light with the boosters, but I'm planning to use it
quite lightly
L957[19:11:33] <taniwha> Pakaran: MJ still
has its uses
L958[19:11:53] <Pakaran> I'm basically
using Roverdude mods, FAR, and stage recovery and parts mods.
L959[19:12:02] <markovify> MJ is great for
when you need to do your billionth hohman transfer
L960[19:12:05] <taniwha> such as having
multiple tugs doing orbital construction all at the same time
L961[19:12:23] <Pakaran> that sounds
awesome heh
L962[19:12:24] <taniwha> (I've had up to
five running at a time)
L963[19:12:33] <markovify> ok that's crazy
talk
L964[19:12:36] <Pakaran> though it would
involve learning to dock.
L965[19:12:45] <markovify> usually i have
a fleet of 2 or 3 tugs at a time
L966[19:12:58] <markovify> Pakaran: learn
to dock! it's so rewarding
L967[19:13:13] <taniwha> Pakaran: NavyFish
Docking Port Alignment Indicator
L968[19:13:22] <markovify> ^
L969[19:14:29] <taniwha> using that, I can
dock even behemoths for < 10u monoprop (and a LOT of
patience)
L970[19:14:35] <Pakaran> thanks
L971[19:14:58] <taniwha> (and have my
ports aligned to within 0.1 degrees:)
L972[19:15:05] <markovify> pfft, monoprop
is for the weak. REAL pilots just use the main engines.
L973[19:15:08] <Pakaran> I'll get that
installing, open my stock game, and do the tutorial.
L974[19:15:19] <taniwha> markovify: I've
done that... without SAS
L975[19:15:30] <markovify> taniwha: we've
all been there
L976[19:15:35] <taniwha> (scientist on a
ship with no RCS pods)
L977[19:15:42] <Pakaran> that's the other
issue I was having. heh. I didn't know the controls, so before I
used the main engines to bump, and EVA over.
L978[19:15:47] <markovify> that one time
you forget to bring a pilot...
L979[19:15:48] <taniwha> that was...
annoying
L980[19:15:56] <markovify> once i docked
with only gimbal for attitude control
L981[19:16:00] <markovify> that was not
fun
L982[19:16:11] <markovify> thankfully it
was a very small craft
L983[19:16:12] <taniwha> markovify:
ouch
L984[19:16:28] <markovify> yeah, just
basically a seat + engine + fuel + port
L985[19:16:28] <taniwha> Pakaran: qweasd
ijklhn :)
L986[19:16:47] <Pakaran> well, that's why
I'm going to do the tutorials.
L987[19:17:00] <markovify> i've never used
docking mode to dock before... only for driving rovers
L988[19:17:01] <taniwha> do not use
docking mode, it's the abomination
L989[19:17:04] <markovify> yeah
L990[19:17:12] <taniwha> even for
rovers
L991[19:17:20] <markovify> nah it works
fine for rovers
L992[19:17:32] <taniwha> (set your control
reference appropriately and turn off all torque sources)
L993[19:17:35] <markovify> prevents
reaction wheels from going crazy
L994[19:17:42] <markovify> ok fine but i'm
lazy
L995[19:18:00] <taniwha> for dedicated
rovers, I turn off reaction wheels in the SPH
L996[19:18:11] <taniwha> (planes,
too)
L997[19:18:21] <markovify> all of my
'rovers' have rocket engines
L998[19:18:44] <taniwha> and for
multi-mode, there's action groups :)
L999[19:29:58] <TheKosmonaut>
.nextlaunch
L1001[19:29:59] <kmath> YouTube - Falcon
Heavy Test Flight
L1002[19:31:46] <markovify> 16 hours 'til
and there's already 2244 people streaming
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L1004[19:42:40] <Pakaran> Tutorial is too
easy to get into a state where I can't continue it.
L1005[19:43:17] <Pakaran> I'm going to do
the stuff I know I need to do. Right now the docking contract isn't
even visible.
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L1008[19:46:18] <kmath> YouTube - Kerbal
Space Program - Multiplanetary Species Episode 01
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L1011[19:53:17] <Pakaran> though if he's
using FAR, he didn't list it. kind of surprised it's not required
by some he does have.
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L1014[20:27:32] <Pakaran> ooh why did I
not know this was a thing?
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L1017[20:36:42] <taniwha> This was just a
"hey, does it get off the ground", but noooo... it was an
SSTO:
http://taniwha.org/~bill/screenshot4217.png
L1018[20:36:55] <taniwha> (that badly
texured part doesn't store any fuel)
L1019[20:38:14] <taniwha> 8.65t. 1615u
LF, 1974u Ox. I guess the mass ratio of the tanks is pretty
high
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L1021[20:41:46] <TheKosmonaut> What is
that supposed to be
L1022[20:41:51] <TheKosmonaut> A new tank
design?
L1023[20:42:44] <taniwha> yeah
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L1025[20:43:03] <taniwha> tanks, habs,
structural (I've shown those earlier)
L1027[20:46:21] <taniwha> yeah, mass
ratio is about 11.5:1
L1028[20:48:03] <taniwha> hmm, small
adapters are about 5.4:1
L1029[20:50:19] <taniwha> 5.4:1 up to
12.2:1
L1030[20:50:43] <taniwha> might have the
walls a little thin on that part
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L1032[20:57:36] <TheKosmonaut> Oh. I
recognize it now
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L1034[20:59:49] <KrazyKrl> "So what
are we launching today?" "A Art - 1 Quantity"
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L1052[23:29:34] <Mathuin> Silly question:
I can load a vessel in the VAB that has "locked or invalid
parts" -- is there an easy way to see which parts those
are?
L1053[23:31:36] <TheKosmonaut> Not that
I'm aware of. Besides just going to the craft file and reading the
list of parts
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